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I don't think you have actually read the book as the first chapter dispels what you think his point is.
The Scandinavian countries are based on the "Nordic model".
It was written in 1944, long before said model and was concerning "present democracies" IE UK/USA.
The USA has had a centrally planned economy for a long time via the Fed, they set policy, the market follows and those "Scandinavian countries" adhere to international free trade policies and are free market capitalists mixed with socialist policy.
Norway in fact, in Hayek's day, was Keynesian so I am not sure what point the comparison is supposed to make.
As far as those countries being "free/open/democratic" that is debatable.
Norway still has a king who still retains ultimate power much as all commonwealth countries including "independent" Canada. Each has a major representative in parliament and a privy council that meets in secret. If you think that is coincidence, you don't understand the game very well.
Canada is another supposed "social democracy" and I can tell you it is nothing of the sort at its heart. It is slowly becoming a corporate dictatorship much like the USA.
He also takes into account business but separates the fact that once one is in the power structure and can influence policy, there is no ostensible difference.
Funny how people blame corporations for lobbying but not the politicians that take the bribe when it is their JOB and DUTY to be "civil servants".
His point is even a billionaire can't come close to the harm a central authority could cause unless he can directly influence them.
Just because his critique/warning cannot be applied to every case does not make it invalid, particularly given these things take time.
Economies are the same way. Sometimes they look great until they collapse unexpectedly.
The USA/UK model he critiques proves him right. UK is Orwell 101 and USA is Orwell 2.0 both of which set economic policy of numerous nations via the use of their currency, loans and the markets.
Sure you can "freely" invest but there is no "free market" as it is HIGHLY regulated.
The thing is, people mistake this regulation as something that is put in place to help the populace but it is regulated to be the opposite.
They have regulated the hell out of not only their own people but at least half of the worlds nations.
Bretton woods/Marshall-Plan/Petro-dollar/IMF/BIS/etc = Centrally planned economic structure on a massive scale.
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I don't know, I have no idea what the USA wants with Okinawa, Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Bahrain, Libya, Malaysia, Philippines or any of the other countless regions of "US interests abroad", but as far as Ukraine is concerned, I would guess it is along the same lines as the above.
Or maybe it just has something to do with screwing with a competitor IE Russia. Or that missile shield the US wants to surround Russia with.
Or...lol
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I didn't say from clean to dirty, I said harsher and yes if I have a min wage job and want more money without having a skill I need to take on a larger workload, work in harsher conditions or more dangerous ones.
FWIW the US dept of Labor and others have proven that the wage gap is one of career choice, there is only a very small grey area where bargaining for wage is a factor. In the end, it is the Governments themselves that have access to payroll and taxes paid making it quite easy to determine such things.
And sure they might not be in opposition but you did say "And by the way, porn is popular because masturbation is popular", that is fairly concrete in its meaning. If porn had weight the internet would sink. Sure some people just like to watch porn, some are couples, most are men that either will never get laid or just not enough. Denying the sex drive in men as a primal driving force is why we have so many issues and bringing it up...as we see from my comment, gets the reactions of knuckle dragging whatever lol
And this "sexist" system....one that very few men actually benefited from unless they were entitled. Most men were serf/peon and not land owners. No land, no right, no vote. Sure it exists as a power structure but to think it was put in place as a sexist system and not one of necessity is asinine.
We are talking about 1000's of years of conflict where the strong survive. Most leaders held power because they were the strongest period simply because of the way we have evolved. I don't think it was a good way to start but it is the truth and without recognizing this fact we are now playing a blame game.
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grantcivyt
No you tip because it is the thing to do, just like you tip a waiter and they did not have to pay for training, or a bellhop, barista etc.
Does it really lower the cost? Someone must tend the machines, put the cup, bring the drink to the bar, collect the cash etc. Someone must maintain the machine as well.
And the customer will definitely pay for the machine. Meanwhile some bartender is out of a job and that paid training goes to waste. Extrapolate this for every possible job that can be replaced by a machine or program and eventually there are only a few jobs, and a few customers as well.
RIght...doctors are negotiable...lol. When someone has you by the balls, you pay what the fee is or you get no service. If you mean as an employee, you can negotiate but there is also private practice.
My point was service/customer, not employer/employee and yes there is negotiation but sometimes the only bargaining chip you have is to not accept the position. In some cases, the min wage is the only game in town.
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deathtokoalas Dude it's like saying Europe is not Norway, Sweden, England, France, the Netherlands, Austria etc...all descendants of Germanic tribes. It's like saying Western Germany is Eastern France or vice versa.
You are looking at an orgy and finding a few parts you don't like without recognizing the attaching parts.
Meanwhile the Romans, the Turks, , The Brits, The Russians, THE GREAT GAME, the(insert name)....
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deathtokoalas
Prussian = Germanic, not sure where you are going with that lol.
1. Your vision of this "Europe" as a geological location does not take into account the artificial borders that exclude Russia/Asia etc. We are discussing pre civilized Europe during a time known as the great migration. A time when Europe did not exist as a set location and people came from all over. Sure, same rocks, but it's a whole lot bigger if you add all the stuff it is attached too without those convenient borders.
2. Germanic tribes, is there a point?
And at what point are they not "Germanic" even though they hail from the same stock?
You mention Goths as if they are not Germanic.
3. Yes they moved south as the Celts moved west, neither were "indigenous.
And you quoted a 2000 year timeline, the Celts, what we know of them, predate that and were mainly affected by Rome. They were pushed, Germanic tribes were pushed, Slavic tribes were pushed... they all did pushing as well.
4. This is subject to a very long timeline, but it is pretty safe to say that regardless of who was ruling who, the lines have remained consistent for at least 1000 years give or take and were pretty much formed prior to that.
5. Funny we are communicating in German?
No in English...why is that? Because there are other players in this you are not addressing. So the next language most likely for us to speak in would be German?...no it would be French. Although influenced by German, we consider many European languages to be "Latin" based. How could that be?
You say this as if it is uniquely German.
6. Your point ignores everyone else, this makes you a bigot.
In the same boat as Germany would be every tribe/culture you mention and some you have not.
So is there a point?
Besides being a bigot and pointing out one guilty party among many?
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1. Everyone pays tax, most tax is basically spent on bureaucracy so this is a social benefit, taxes returning to society. Most employers offer leaves of absence regardless of reason. Temp help is often cheaper.
2. It's not irrelevant, it is an argument against the model. People are saying it is sexist but it is for any sex. We are not debating the morality of ANY tax, because that is the real issue. Any tax taken and spent will fall under the same category.
3. Do you understand what stimulus means? You can't make an economy out of it but in this case it is taxes RETURNING to the system. And again, this is an argument people are using against the model, that it is not part of their GDP(as if you can sell maternity leave lol).
4. It's not "free".....are you not taxed? Do you not see the fat government around you all gilded and shiny? Filled with "public servants" that make more than average for their labor, have more job security and social benefits than the public they serve? Wouldn't it be better if that money went back to the people?
In short, as I explained, this "free" education is investment into society. It is better to have a society based on an educated populace. Sure the current system could have more choice etc, but that is not the issue.
Your argument is against Socialism basically but until taxes are abolished, you are stuck with it in some form because that is what they are, a redistribution of wealth...usually only to the rich at this point, the pittance that trickles down is not worth even a mention.
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