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@andrewgoldheretics
They never have been the same thing. Surely you acknowledge that humans (even arguably some animals, particularly primates) have always had societies where gender was expressed across a spectrum of what we define as masculine through feminine.
Nearly always but not exclusively, in line with biological physicality (sex; chromosomes, gonadal hormones, genitalia etc.), female corresponding to the feminine (often grouped under the term woman) and male corresponding to the masculine (often grouped under the term man). Spectrums will have plenty of overlap in the middle, leading to the emergence of gender identities such as non-binary (which I'm sure you feel unduly threatened by, or at least you pretend to for money).
Unlike this guy (and you) I'm an actual physiologist studying sex differences and it's widely acknowledged that gender is something different from sex. The phrase 'biological sex' is a tautology, inherent in the meaning of sex is the fact it's biological. Gender is inherently social and as physiologists we do not study gender differences.
You are correct to identify that until about the millennium these ideas of sex and gender were not commonly understood amongst the layman and society at large, but in reality, these distinct but related concepts have always existed. Language, society (and how one reflects the other) is constantly evolving, always has, always will. Whether or not this makes you emotional is besides the point (facts don't care about your feelings).
To your final point of outrage, it sounds like you are very much in favour of self identification into any gender the individual wishes and they shouldn't be bound to the stereotypes of society (wonderfully progressive of you). Yes of course an individual can identify as a boy/man with long hair and nails and this entirely unrelated to their biology (be they XX or XY) that is almost binary (intersex people exist, though they are few).
Maybe this will help it settle for you; transwomen are women, but they are still male.
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@AnalEyesAnalyzeAnalLies-666 Ok then, you quite clearly answered the question at least. You are indeed not a feminist and indeed a horribly overt sexist. Feminism is merely the belief that men and women should enjoy equal legal rights and protections in our society which is very fucking easy to quanitify and indeed it is quanitified every day in laws around the world. Do you really believe that anyone who holds this quite rational and reasonable belief should be murdered? Feminism is not the attack on your tiny masculinity that you have been told it is. I know it is probably hard for you to understand because it begins with 'fem' but it really only means that females should be allowed the same amount of rights that men already have, therefore becoming equal. Not a difficult concept for most, but then again I don't what level of education you have had access to in your short life. If you believe men should have more rights than women, then you are a sexist, if you don't you are a feminist, you are free to choose, as are women. Hopefully you understand that now.
P.s. not exactly sure what point you were trying to make with the height and weight comment, but yes those assigned physiologically male at birth tend to be taller and heavier than those who weren't.
And well done, we do have the technology to quanitify height and weight these days. Probably size shouldn't have anything to with people's freedoms though, you don't get to choose that after all do you.
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As I just explained, feminism is actually the exact opposite of sexism. Perhaps you'd like to read again. But to summarise, feminism is the belief that men and women should be treated equally, whereas sexism is the belief that they shouldn't. So, as a feminist, I can't be a sexist. And you as a sexist, can't be a feminist, which I'm sure you'll be delighted with. To be clear, although some ignorant person at some moment in time told you that feminists believe women are better than men and/or are somehow anti-men because there name includes 'fem', that is entirely fabrication. They only believe women and men should have the same rights and protections. Do you understand? Very simple.
Equality 'the state of being equal, especially in status, rights and opportunities'. I think you're attempting to say quite poorly that most people do not enjoy equal socio-economic status. Which is absolutely true, but that does not mean we shouldn't strive for equality, like the feminists do. In fact, if your country adopted more policies that feminists generally agreed with, you'd probably have a better life. The irony is awfully tragic, isn't it.
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@glenkeating7333 it's 'out there', but you're completely unwilling to help someone find it and spread the 'TRUTH'. If you were really concerned with spreading the message of what is so blatantly true surely you'd be delighted to share your knowledge with us. Why should someone have to 'work' to find this knowledge. Seeing as you care so deeply about this topic, surely it be far from a waste of your time to raise awareness, presumably simply by copying a link into URL bar.
Also, what says your source is better than all the sources that state differently? That's where you can try your critical thinking. I'm also not sure you understand cognitve dissonance, although I'm sure it makes you feel good when you write big words like that. This fellow simply asked for a source, this is no cognitve dissonance present there.
I'm not sure you're not a comedian writing a parody of a mad conspiracy theorist, everything you sad was so stereotypical and someone with a mad theory and zero evidence panicking when actually asked to prove their ideas.
You literally have no idea what critical thinking is, you're not solving some big conspiracy, you're not more informed than those around you. You're parroting fantasies in order to make yourself feel valuable. It's sad, you're human and you're enough without having to pretend you believe this stuff, sp back into reality, you still have plenty of time.
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@youtubed9695 wow, are you real? Please take your own advice about thinking logically and trying to find half a braincell.
Elections are not won on someone's speech patterns, also he doesn't have dementia, T***p is the only one who was required to take a dementia test, 'person, woman, man, camera, TV.' He did get over 80 million votes because that's how many were counted, that's a free and fair election, despite Republican efforts to limit voting. I am equally shocked that shocked that 74 million people voted for someone who speaks like T***p, but it still happened even though I find it surprising. You see now how your dislike of his speech patterns and counting free and fair democratic votes are not the same thing?
Big tech seems fine to let us have this chat, seems fine to let you watch your YouTube conspiracy theories (below) that tell you big tech is evil and don't allow you to think for yourself and telling you what you want to hear! You also have no idea what communism is and there is zero threat of it coming to America in your life time. Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequences of that speech. T***p spoke freely and then he faced the consequences of breaking the rules of a private company. Unless, you'd like the government to step in and make the rules for a private company? But that might be a bit like communism hey. That's what logic looks like you idiot.
Oh by the way, Biden was inaugurated with no issue, I thought T***p was staging a coup? Nope, democracy works for another 4 years at least.
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Deception is obviously always wrong, this is an awful story. Trans people should feel comfortable enough with their reality to disclose their gender when they meet someone. Unfortunately ignorant people who deny their existence may actually contribute to another act of deception like this in the future, as trans people feel forced to stay within heteronormative gender requirements and desperately try to pass as a non-trans person (this obviously does not or will ever excuse acts of sexual deception). But please let's remember 99.9% of trans people are nice normal people, don't fall for this sensationalism.
Also, these two uneducated women are extremely confused about sex and gender and contradict themselves several times throughout this short and erratic chat, using terms 'biological man', 'real man', etc. Incorrectly throughout.
'Sex' is a physiological condition of existence, set at conception and cannot waiver or change. With the exception of intersex people, it is binary and the terms we use are 'female' and 'male', for people born with vaginas and penises respectively. 'Woman' and 'man' refer to the expression of gender identity, e.g. clothes you choose, speech patterns, social behaviours etc. It is of course very often related to the sex it has been traditionally associated with in our society. I.e. a female usually expresses themselves as a woman, but their is no requirement to do so in a free society where individual rights are valued and where we do not dictate to individuals how they express themselves as long as their not harming anyone. (You feeling offended doesn't count as harm, get over it you snowflake).
Gender expression is very different across cultures and is always evolving and changing across time. There is no objective 'real man' and trans people are very real, i.e. people who express their gender differently now than how they have in the past or to the birth sex it has been traditionally associated with in our society. Ultimately gender expression lies on a spectrum between traditionally masculine and feminine on either end and we all fall somewhere along that.
I'm a scientist researching physiological sex differences and the that sex is constant and gender is fluid and that they are very separate concepts has been well established in the literature for years now. We can discuss the nuances but the wider more callous debate is over and the answer is as clearly stated above. I hope someone bothered to read this and accepted you are never too old to learn and update your understanding of reality.
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@marienclaire7744 the dead people accusation was thrown out of many courts as total fabrication. There were not more votes than voters (80 million votes and plenty more people than that registered to vote). Getting more votes than Obama is utterly irrelevant and in no way indicates fraud, there was also a bigger turnout.
The 'red mirage' and 'blue wave' are well documented phenomena at all elections in the past couple of decades. Many mail in votes were for T***p, but about 70% were for Biden. Maybe if T***p hadn't so heavily discouraged his followers from voting by mail he would have gotten more support that way from those incapable of attending in person. On the other hand, Biden supporters were also much more likely to be educated enough to understand how the coronavirus spreads and so exercised their right to vote by mail (a system that has been used since the civil war) in order to protect fellow Americans. So unsurprisingly the votes by mail that just happened to be counted after the in person votes were swayed toward Biden. Much in the same way as in person votes slightly favoured T***p. However, just to be clear, it is the total of all votes, no matter the method of how they were cast that is important and decides who had the most votes. Biden had the most votes at the end. Very simple. Just because something may appear strange on the surface doesn't mean there isn't a perfectly logical explanation.
It's unclear to me why they show who's 'leading', this indicates nothing as it only the final total that counts you see. If your football team is up at half time, they still lose the match if they have less points than the other team at the end. Maybe you'll understand now?
I'm not sure what you mean by 'glitches'.
No please do go on. I am very happy to carry in explaining the logic/reality behind your concerns regarding the veracity of the election, but you'll need to open your mind.
I think the media did cover your misconceptions very well, how did you hear about it? Watching a bias new channel I imagine? Tell me if you found out another way. There's a bigger picture of course, I am seeing it very clearly, unfortunately you're only listening to the bias news.
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