Comments by "Jay Dee Johnson" (@jaydeejohnson7) on "The New York Times" channel.

  1.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  I asked for statistics, not anecdotal evidence
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  2.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  not evidence. It's an appeal to emotion
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  3.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618 ? Anecdotal evidence does not necessarily determine causation. You're appealing to authority and without documentation
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  4.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  they are dying? What statistics do you have to support that assertion?
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  5.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  I can tell you did not read the evidence, so you only care to stay ignorant
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  6. Says the vaccinated parent
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  7. They are safe and effective. Are you wanting something 100% safe? Next to impossible
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  8. You are behaving like a sheep. You follow unverified information and specious claims. RFK Jr and Bigtree are charlatans profiting off the backs of the incredulous and misinformed
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  9. Manufacturers make very little profit from vaccines
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  10.  @ctnaturalhoof  say what now?
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  11.  Brick Schitthouse  yet no polio in the US... Funny that
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  12.  @RonDotComnz  what are the chances of a debilitating adverse event from the administration of an IPV? Of the million or so of polio survivors 30 years ago, 440,000 had paralytic polio. Over a quarter of polio survivors develop post polio syndrome.
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  13.  @RonDotComnz  just asking questions and providing perspective. The covid vaccine is more than likely out by spring. Not sure if your fears - other than efficacy, longevity and necessity concerns - are logical or conspiratorial...
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  14. And?
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  15.  Brick Schitthouse  food has to pass through digestive system. Vaccines directly into blood stream You could Not be more incorrect in this statement......
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  16.  Brick Schitthouse  "...all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age or younger and marketed in the U.S. contain no thimerosal or only trace amounts (1 microgram or less mercury per dose), with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine, which was first recommended by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices in 2004 for routine use in children 6 to 23 months of age." https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/thimerosal-vaccines-questions-and-answers
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  17.  Brick Schitthouse  another fallacious argument! Circular reasoning! You are supporting your claim that del is speaking the truth because del is speaking the truth 🤦
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  18.  Brick Schitthouse  the study was sound? Not at all Three of nine children reported with autism did not receive an autism diagnosis. Only one child clearly had regressive autism. Five children had documented pre-existing developmental concerns, yet the study reported all 12 children were “previously normal.” Unremarkable colon results were changed after a medical school “research review” to “nonspecific colitis.” Patients were found via antivaccination campaigners The study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation
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  19.  Brick Schitthouse  so can you support this extraordinary claim the Wakefield study is sound? Not that there were technicalities on how wakefield aghast data or how there was some conspiracy to out him... How are the points I raised with concerning his study consistent with scientific methodologies?
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  20.  Brick Schitthouse  MMR does not and never has contained thimerosal
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  21.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  confirms or offers more speculation?
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  22.  Brick Schitthouse  "Don't be fooled - Wakefield's story is not the tale of a man wronged by powerful corporations or the medical establishment, which, in fact, closed ranks to protect him. It's the story of a physician who set out to cast doubt on vaccine safety before he'd even gathered the evidence, and he did so not for the public good, but for private gain."
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  23.  Brick Schitthouse  derp
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  24. So you have a medical background?
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  25.  @dm.b7560  What other "solution" prevents infection, irreversible damage, and the spread of infectious diseases?
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  26.  @dm.b7560  Inform yourselves = personal incredulity
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  27.  @dm.b7560  you don't want people to argue with you, yet you post misinformation telling others what to think..... Whatever, bub
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  28. Sorry. Look at 1989-1991 measles outbreak Just in 1989 alone, 31 children dead. 29 unvaccinated.
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  29. All the people in the Disneyland outbreak were not just the vaccinated, largely unvaccinated and caused by the unvaccinated.
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  30.  @topkekfilmproductions3464  according to whom?
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  31.  Brick Schitthouse  no. You probably parrot pseudoscience from RFK Jr.. an ambulance chaser
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  32. Sorry, mate. No link between autism and vaccines
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  33.  Brick Schitthouse  what garbage? You think vaccine R&D is just some people in a lab coat tossing whatever into a vital and there you go? FFS 🤦
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  34.  @RonDotComnz  Andrew Kaufman? 😅😅😅😅😅😅
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  35.  @RonDotComnz  as is often the case
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  36.  @RonDotComnz  saying, you go your way and I go mine, is all well and good. Yet this question arises... Why post that to which you cannot support? Just stating you think I don't understand is childish...
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  37.  @RonDotComnz  and yet you cannot provide evidence of causation. You just have given me speculative and specious rhetoric, not evidence
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  38.  @RonDotComnz  comparing a vaccine to a placebo would give what result? AEs are documented and researched with vaccines. A placebo of saline would give no AEs or would provide what insight?
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  39.  @RonDotComnz  I'm not sure why you insist upon their existence when to conduct such a study is considered unethical Are you asking yourself this?? You claim no "gold standard testing" but cannot provide evidence of significant AEs and only speculate based on emotion
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  40.  Brick Schitthouse  No affiliation with big pharma. How does one get paid to write comments on YouTube??? Wouldn't mind getting paid to combat false facts
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  41.  Brick Schitthouse  any other fallacies you wish to appeal to?
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  42. tl;dr = nothing to do with vaccines
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  43. It's exactly the same. It's just conspiracy mad libs!
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  44. That's not a study. It's just as biased as wakefields.
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  45. However, the goal of the pilot study was rather to obtain a convenience sample of unvaccinated children of sufficient size to test for significant differences in outcomes between the groups. In other words, a pilot study using convenience sampling of home school children and parental surveys. Study limitations include the relatively small number of preterm children and children with NDD. To preserve anonymity, the reported health outcomes could not be validated by clinical records. However, self-reports are accepted as a valid proxy for official records when the latter are unavailable [63]. A further potential limitation is that morbidity may have been under-estimated in unvaccinated children, as they were less likely than the vaccinated to see a physician for a routine checkup in the past year (57.6% vs. 37.2%, p <0.001; OR 2.3, 95% CI: 1.7, 3.2). This could be due to the fact that such visits usually involve vaccinations, which non-vaccinating families would be expected to refuse. However, unvaccinated children were more likely than the vaccinated to be diagnosed with chickenpox and pertussis, which would have involved one or more visits to the pediatrician. This suggests that observed differences in health outcomes were not due to under-ascertainment of disease. That's a substantial limitation
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  46.  Brick Schitthouse  judging by your inability to engage in logical discourse, not sure how serious one should take you
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  47.  Brick Schitthouse  right back at ya, mate
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  48.  Brick Schitthouse  and you, a 12 year old making weak attempts at fat jokes. Bravo, tinhat
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  49.  Brick Schitthouse  still unable to understand basic science?
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  50.  Brick Schitthouse  your very first reply is not about the content of the message but only about the individual making the statement. How juvenile
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  51. Incredulous pillock
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  52. Ha!
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  53.  @dortiz3088  🙄
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  54. ??
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  55. Science does not prove. The scientific method looks at testable, repeatable and predictable observations and collects evidence from these conclusions. So what one should state is, vaccines do not prevent disease. Where is your evidence?
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  56. No money interest with me, just a desire for adults and children to be protected from disease
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  57. Not one? Really?
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  58.  @RonDotComnz  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/383571 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673605718766 http://scholar.google.com/scholar_url?url=https://www.academia.edu/download/43298997/0a85e53b64ffd88368000000.pdf&hl=en&sa=X&scisig=AAGBfm1PW2wuECVVpyej_3b76cdNVQSnIQ&nossl=1&oi=scholarr
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  59.  @RonDotComnz  moving goal posts?
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  60.  @RonDotComnz  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673686910445
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  61.  @RonDotComnz  ????
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  62.  @RonDotComnz  all well and good, but I do not see how any of this is evidence for the claims you assert
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  63.  @RonDotComnz  maybe you "ought" to show support for your outlandish claims
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  64.  @RonDotComnz ????
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  65.  @RonDotComnz  unless otherwise stated, a placebo is just that https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/c609/articles/Pediatrics-2000-Virtanen-e62.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjui73rroLqAhXHqp4KHQ2xD2QQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Eb2nsteu7SYJSh0xOAbqf
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  66.  @RonDotComnz  what is in the MMR vaccine that is your concern?
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  67.  @RonDotComnz  again, what is your concern When given studies, you asked specifically for the MMR. Then given those studies, you say all vaccines are of concern. How so?
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  68.  @RonDotComnz  so you rely on who's interpretations?? Arguing from incredulity is your dilemma, not that of science
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  69.  @RonDotComnz  Ultimately, you and I will go nowhere with this... And there lies the issue, the ignorance and incredulity upon which you argue.
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  70.  @RonDotComnz  so the question still remains unanswered What is your concern?
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  71.  @RonDotComnz  millions paid annually, millions paid by the taxpayer By stating 'millions paid annually' you are discussing dollars, not individuals, correct? If you know how these 'payouts' are funded, and you know how many cases were adjudicated in the eyes of the law, then you should come to the same scientific agreement to a rate of injury or death, 1 to 2 per million doses administered.
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  72.  @RonDotComnz  where did you get 1% from??? 1 to 2 in 1,000,000 doses. You have a better chance of being struck by lightning
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  73. After infected with the measles virus, children have a 1 in 1000 chance of severe injury and even death.
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  74.  @RonDotComnz  happy to sacrifice your child over pseudoscientific and specious claims??
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  75.  @RonDotComnz  what is the causal link between vaccines and autism or extraordinary rates of injury???
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  76.  @RonDotComnz  so what, pray tell, in the MMR vaccine is causing ASD
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  77.  @RonDotComnz  so what, pray tell, in the MMR vaccine is the cause of autism?
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  78.  @RonDotComnz  your incredulity is showing
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  79.  @RonDotComnz  sorry. Your incredulity is regarding the lack of a causal relationship between vaccines and autism Do increased rates of ice cream consumption cause drownings? There is a relationship between the two
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  80.  @RonDotComnz  sorry. Onus is on the one claiming vaccines cause autism, diabetes, cancer etc
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  81.  @RonDotComnz  yet there is a relationship between increase ice cream consumption and drownings. Shouldn't the ice cream manufactures PROVE they do not cause someone to drown?!
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  82.  @RonDotComnz  again. This could be easy What is within a vaccine that is the cause of your concern?
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  83.  @RonDotComnz  what arguments would leave one of us looking like a wanker? Scientific methodology or specious claims from false authorities?
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  84.  @RonDotComnz  yet there is no evidence of causality Your argument is incredulous
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  85.  @RonDotComnz  same goes for my previous hypothetical Ice cream consumption causes drownings
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  86.  @RonDotComnz  Numerous studies showing no causality. Do you have evidence of causality? Why do you refuse to state your specific concern regarding vaccine ingredients? Again. You are arguing from incredulity
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  87.  @RonDotComnz    https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/autism-vaccine-link-debunked https://www.aacap.org/aacap/policy_statements/2016/statement_on_autism_and_vaccines.aspx https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-causes-autism https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccines-and-other-conditions/vaccines-autism https://autismcenter.org/discussing-vaccines-and-autism
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  88.  @RonDotComnz  Hard to defend something without evidence to support the claim, huh? That which is asserted without evidence, can easily be dismissed without evidence.
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  89.  @RonDotComnz  there are placebo-controlled double blind studies. They were given. And IF there were no placebo controlled studies to be had, what evidence of causation is there between vaccines and autism, diabetes, cancer etc
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  90.  @RonDotComnz  unless otherwise stated, a placebo is just that https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/c609/articles/Pediatrics-2000-Virtanen-e62.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjui73rroLqAhXHqp4KHQ2xD2QQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Eb2nsteu7SYJSh0xOAbqf
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  91.  @RonDotComnz  I'll post this again https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.med.mcgill.ca/epidemiology/hanley/c609/articles/Pediatrics-2000-Virtanen-e62.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjui73rroLqAhXHqp4KHQ2xD2QQFjAIegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw2Eb2nsteu7SYJSh0xOAbqf
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  92.  @RonDotComnz  there are placebo-controlled double blind studies. They were given. And IF there were no placebo controlled studies to be had, what evidence of causation is there between vaccines and autism, diabetes, cancer etc
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  93.  @RonDotComnz  why are there no studies done on ice cream? When ice cream consumption increases, drownings and crime rates increase. Therefore, ice consumption causes drownings and responsible for increased crime
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  94.  @RonDotComnz  have you found a causal link between vaccines and autism? No? That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence
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  95.  @RonDotComnz  NOT a flu study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0140673686910445 The placebo is just that, a placebo, in this study of twins.
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  96.  @RonDotComnz  evidence is difficult to ignore, eh mate?
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  97.  @RonDotComnz  any documentation of vaccines causing autism, diabetes, cancer etc?
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  98.  @RonDotComnz  you can attack the ones who funded the study, but only if you can show bias in the methodology and science Asking for long term studies after asking for mmr placebo studies is moving goalposts and a categorical error
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  99.  @RonDotComnz  I never claimed vaccines are 100% safe...not sure anything is 100% safe Do you have evidence for your claims?
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  100. not one single clinical double blind placebo study conducted upon any vaccine Yet when given, you dismiss? Any support to your retort?
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  101.  @RonDotComnz  how is a study partially funded a concern? Is the methodology and data found to be contrived or biased? What evidence do you have this study is illegitimate?
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  102.  @RonDotComnz  no, the chances of dying from a vaccine are roughly 1 in 1,000,000
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  103.  @RonDotComnz  I expect you would have evidence of harm or death? What, in a vaccine, is your concern?
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  104.  @RonDotComnz  According to the CDC, from 2006 to 2018 over 3.7 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. For petitions filed in this time period, 7,031 petitions were adjudicated by the Court, and of those 4,888 were compensated. This means for every 1 million doses of vaccine that were distributed, approximately 1 individual was compensated. "Since 1988, over 21,636 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 30-year time period, 18,586 petitions have been adjudicated, with 7,131 of those determined to be compensable, while 11,455 were dismissed. Total compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $4.2 billion."
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  105.  @RonDotComnz  correlation =/= causation
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  106.  @RonDotComnz  Every year, hundreds die due to drowning. Every year, there is a spike in ice cream consumption. Every year during this ice cream spike, drownings increase. With your logic, ice cream consumption CAUSES drownings.
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  107.  @RonDotComnz  So you agree ice cream causes drowning? you have demonstrated in no way at all vaccines are Russian roulette. And your argument based on correlation is not evidence of causation
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  108.  @RonDotComnz  https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/dunning-kruger-effect
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  109.  @RonDotComnz  support your claim. Otherwise it appears disingenuous and incredulous
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  110.  @RonDotComnz  again. Not how it appears to me. It is has been empirically shown to be the case You can question. But do not make claims you cannot support
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  111.  @RonDotComnz  What is in a vaccine that is creating this game of Russian roulette, what evidence of causation is there between vaccines and autism or cancer or diabetes?
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  112.  @RonDotComnz  you have been asking for evidence... It has been given Are you going to show any evidence to support your claims?
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  113.  @RonDotComnz  you have seen enough to question, but have no evidence to support your biases...that is disingenuous and incredulous
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  114.  Brick Schitthouse  because Del and RFK Jr say so? They're not doctors, not researchers in the field. "The BMJ editorial attached the hypothesis to the man and the man was fraudulent. The hypothesis was not to be trusted because the man was fraudulent. But the man should be separate from the hypothesis. It doesn't matter whether Andrew Wakefield was fraudulent and wrong, the only thing that matters is that the hypothesis was wrong. Either way, the damage would have been done. Because of this paper, four children died. I think it could be argued that this paper killed four children. There are a lot of people with dirty hands … the editor of the journal, the media that followed the story ravenously, etc., even though there was scant evidence. A lot of people are responsible and none of them will be held accountable, which is unfortunate. Until we have a clear cause for autism, this controversy will continue." —Paul A. Offit, MD Infectious Diseases in Children Editorial Board member Disclosure: Dr. Offit reports no relevant financial disclosures.
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  115.  Brick Schitthouse  they are NOT injected directly into the blood stream, mate
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  116.  Brick Schitthouse  directly into the blood stream? No. Into muscle? Yes.
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  117.  Brick Schitthouse  if a vaccine is injected into a vein, directly into bloodstream, the efficacy of the vaccine may be reduced or provide no benefit.
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  118.  Brick Schitthouse  digesting mercury still gets into the bloodstream, mate. At almost the same rate as IM injection
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  119.  Brick Schitthouse  and thimerosal is not in childhood vaccines
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  120.  Brick Schitthouse  thimerosal removed from vaccines, ASD still diagnosed. But it's the vaccine...right?
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  121.  Brick Schitthouse  so it's not Thimerosal. Where would you like to move these goalposts now?
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  122.  Brick Schitthouse  I'm sorry, why are you still on about thimerosal?
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  123.  Brick Schitthouse  thimerosal is not in vaccines Therefore, whatever claim you are attempting to make regarding vaccines responsible for ASD en masse is invalid Edit, Invalid a far as Thimerosal being the link between ASD and vaccines
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  124.  Brick Schitthouse  I'm sorry, at the start? The start of what exactly?
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  125.  Brick Schitthouse  no, it is not in childhood vaccines
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  126. Influenza vaccines in single does syringes do not contain thimerosal
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  127.  Brick Schitthouse  I see no reason to believe there is a causal link between vaccines and ASD
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  128.  Brick Schitthouse  And not in ANY other childhood vaccines So is it now your position that the flu vaccine in multi dose vials is causing a rise in ASD? Where is that documented??
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  129.  Brick Schitthouse  remember, thimerosal was no longer used in most vaccines in 1990s, and removed from all childhood vaccines in 2001. ASD rates still climbed. In 2004, influenza vaccine was recommended as a routine vaccination for children 6mo or older with preservative free single dose vaccines available
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  130.  Brick Schitthouse  And I do not claim to know everything But I am not "acting stupid" It's been 20 years since thimerosal was taken out of vaccines
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  131.  Brick Schitthouse  Quit acting stupid
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  132.  Brick Schitthouse  did you even read the whole page mate? Did you read my supporting evidence? OMG Your antivax talking points are 20 years old!
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  133.  Brick Schitthouse  FROM YOUR CITATION "No Link between Thimerosal in Vaccines and Autism Although all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger in the U.S. are available in formulations that do not contain thimerosal, thimerosal has a long record of safe and effective use in preventing bacterial and fungal contamination of vaccines, with no ill effects established other than hypersensitivity and minor local reactions at the site of injection."
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  134.  Brick Schitthouse  Quit playing stupid
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  135.  Brick Schitthouse  https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/thimerosal https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/thiomersal https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html
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  136.  Brick Schitthouse  ABSOLUTE FACT the only vaccine for children under 6 years of age that still contains thimerosal is the inactivated influenza vaccine in the multi-dose units; the single-dose units do not contain thimerosal.
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  137.  Brick Schitthouse  you are blinded by your incredulity
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  138.  Brick Schitthouse  🤦
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  139.  Brick Schitthouse  Special fcking Pleading
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  140.  Brick Schitthouse  is Del a microbiologist? Works with infectious disease? Has other studies, besides the discredited Wakefield, to support his claim? No. Is thimerosal in vaccines NO
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  141.  Brick Schitthouse  And here is where your position holds no water You are going on and on about thimerosal. WHY? Then, you continue to throw Del and Wakefield into the mix. WHY? Their argument is concerning MMR vaccinations. The reason you have no leg to stand on: MMR does not, nor has ever contained Thimerosal!! stop the incredulity! Just listen to experts and not follow in blind faith a movie producer
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  142.  Brick Schitthouse  Continue to try to square the circle, mate. I am shocked at your ability to ignore foundational science while quoting science
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  143.  Brick Schitthouse  [autism] always happens AFTER a vaccine Your logic: As ice cream sales increase, the rate of drowning deaths increases sharply. Therefore, ice cream consumption causes drowning.
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  144.  Brick Schitthouse  I rest my case
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  145.  Brick Schitthouse  just influenza vaccine comes in a vial
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  146.  Brick Schitthouse  does ice cream cause drownings?
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  147.  Brick Schitthouse  prove it
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  148.  Brick Schitthouse  it is virtually impossible to prove the absence of a relationship with the same certainty that is possible in establishing the presence of one.
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  149.  Brick Schitthouse  Yet I can, going with the logic and reason you present, claim that there are no studies proving ice cream does not cause drownings
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  150.  Brick Schitthouse  Prove ice cream does not cause drownings first This hypothetical removes loaded words and focuses on the logic behind the reasoning
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  151.  Brick Schitthouse  Oliver Stone could "vindicate" the Wakefield study. This fact would not change reality
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  152.  Brick Schitthouse  yet when ice cream consumption increases, drowning deaths also increase
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  153.  Brick Schitthouse  because ice cream has nothing to do with swimming.... And vaccines have nothing to do with autism
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  154.  Brick Schitthouse  Making claims based on spurious correlations and specious arguments alone is not a methodology used in science
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  155.  Brick Schitthouse  stop ignoring what decades of research and evidence have said about this no existent link
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  156.  Brick Schitthouse  i hope you realize putting full faith in a movie producer without evidence of causality is THE definiton of an appeal to authority.
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  157.  Brick Schitthouse  when ice cream sales increase, drowning deaths dramatically increase. Therefore, ice cream consumption CAUSES drownings PROVE ME WRONG
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  158.  Brick Schitthouse  show me death rates due to vaccines
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  159.  Brick Schitthouse  and?
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  160. Show me death rates due to vaccines
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  161.  Brick Schitthouse  stop ignoring what the great majority of research has to say: THERE IS NO LINK BETWEEN VACCINES AND AUTISM
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  162.  Brick Schitthouse  My claim I see no reason to believe there is a causal link between autism and vaccines. Evidence There is no evidence of a causal relationship
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  163.  Brick Schitthouse  argumentum ad insert?? Do You understand what these inserts are discussing???
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  164.  Brick Schitthouse  it could be Wakefield and Spielberg. Makes little difference. It is virtually impossible to prove the absence of a relationship with the same certainty that is possible in establishing the presence of one.  Opinions are important, evidence of causality is paramount
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  165.  Brick Schitthouse  two words No Evidence
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  166.  Brick Schitthouse  https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452 https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2011/03/making-sense-dr-andrew-wakefield-now https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/
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  167.  Brick Schitthouse  not my fault you are committing fallacious reasoning
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  168.  Brick Schitthouse  https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
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  169.  Brick Schitthouse  your appealing to Bigtrees view and synopsis. Hence, an appeal to authority and the claim is beginning to look a lot like you are arguing from incredulity
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  170.  Brick Schitthouse  honesty and validity are two very different things And you're still arguing from Authority
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  171.  Brick Schitthouse  some people are honest when they claim the earth is flat. Just because they are honest in their convictions does not mean they are factually correct
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  172.  Brick Schitthouse  again. He could say the moon is made of cheese in a very honest and clear way, and still be incorrect
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  173.  Brick Schitthouse  great, what's the link between vaccines and autism?
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  174.  Brick Schitthouse  he's also not a doctor
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  175.  Brick Schitthouse   @Brick Schitthouse  https://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c7452 https://www.texaschildrens.org/blog/2011/03/making-sense-dr-andrew-wakefield-now https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/
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  176.  Brick Schitthouse  you seem to miss the fallacy in your argument. I'm sorry you do not see that Del is just like RFK Jr...an ambulance chaser and a carnival barker
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  177.  Brick Schitthouse  but you'll ignore all other medical professionals and researchers?
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  178.  Brick Schitthouse  what's the link between vaccines and autism???
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  179.  Brick Schitthouse  https://youtu.be/VMUQSMFGBDo
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  180.  Brick Schitthouse  he doesn't have to be a doctor Correct. But he should have some empirical evidence and not Wakefield's biased methodology
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  181.  Brick Schitthouse  https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/robert-f-kennedy-jr-gets-slammed-by-scientists-after-creating-dangerous-new-conspiracy-theory/
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  182.  Brick Schitthouse  not the next day, mate. What is the link between vaccines and autism??????
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  183.  Brick Schitthouse  and he doesn't have a link just speculation
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  184.  Brick Schitthouse  no mate. The girl you referenced was not paralyzed the next day. It was the next week What is the link between vaccines and autism? Should be an easy for you to answer. But then again, you appear to take Dels word over scientific standing. That is an appeal to authority
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  185.  Brick Schitthouse  and this AE proves vaccines cause autism!?!?
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  186.  Brick Schitthouse  Del explained the science. Stop acting stupid. It's a simple question. You say it is Thimerosal but this only exists in extremely small amounts in ONE option of a particular vaccine that is not often given to children...multi dose vials of the influenza vaccine. So how does this account for the CASUAL relationship (NOT CORRELATIVE) between vaccines and autism???
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  187.  Brick Schitthouse  An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument.
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  188.  Brick Schitthouse  this link you claim exists (but cannot identify) is no different than the relationship between ice cream consumption and drownings/forest fires/higher crime rates
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  189.  Brick Schitthouse  Reasoning is defeasible when the corresponding argument is rationally compelling but not deductively valid. The truth of the premises of a good defeasible argument provide support for the conclusion, even though it is possible for the premises to be true and the conclusion false .
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  190.  Brick Schitthouse  why not support your claim instead of fallacious statements?
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  191.  Brick Schitthouse  prove his technicalities wrong? That's not how science works. This Wakefield study is just plain bad science Full Stop This article explains this concisely https://www.vox.com/2015/2/2/7965885/vaccine-autism-link-false-evidence-wakefield
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  192.  Brick Schitthouse  what in the MMR vaccine is the cause of autism? It's not Thimerosal. That has NEVER been in the MMR vaccine
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  193.  Brick Schitthouse  have you proven Del is right?
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  194.  Brick Schitthouse  and you fail to see this is not scientific evidence
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  195.  Brick Schitthouse  please read the article that was posted
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  196.  Brick Schitthouse  https://www.bmj.com/content/322/7284/460.short https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMoa021134 https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/134/2/325?source=post_page----6df1b46c14cc--------------------- https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2275444
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  197.  Brick Schitthouse  it appears arguing from ignorance is continuing to support false facts... It's dogmatic and without logic and reason
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  198.  Brick Schitthouse  John Smith explained how the study was biased in its methodology Now where does this get us? Nowhere, except both of us committing a logical fallacy I see no reason to believe there is a causal link between vaccines and autism
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  199.  Brick Schitthouse  this is not ignorance This is me trying to point out you are appealing to authority (false authority specifically) That is fallacious Insisting that a claim is true simply because a valid authority or expert on the issue said it was true, without any other supporting evidence offered. Also see the appeal to false authority.
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  200.  Brick Schitthouse  example Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist and perhaps the foremost expert in the field, says that evolution is true. Therefore, it's true.
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  201.  Brick Schitthouse  I dislike the canonization of false facts I could care less about Bill gates in this discussion... Please avoid deflecting
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  202.  Brick Schitthouse  I posted 4 peer reviewed studies. You have offered a movie producers opinion
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  203.  Brick Schitthouse  so why believe him over anyone else? Because what Del says fits your narrative? You are confirming your own biases!!
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  204.  Brick Schitthouse  you changed subjects illustrating your lack of scientific understanding I wonder if you believe the world is flat, evolution is a sham and gods exist The circular nature in your reasoning suggests intentionally ignoring logic and scientific understanding for an acute subjective view of reality
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  205.  Brick Schitthouse  you're on about Bill Gates now... What, pray tell, for?
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  206.  Brick Schitthouse  and?
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  207.  Brick Schitthouse  so you want to control who gives money to what organizations?
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  208.  Brick Schitthouse  because they help prevent disease. That's evident. So you just changed subjects? I do not rely upon Bill Gates to see that research has no evidence, no casual link, between vaccines and autism
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  209.  Brick Schitthouse  Del Bigtree has no medical or science degree. He spreads misinformation, just like you
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  210.  Brick Schitthouse  and yet the Wakefield study is still not good science. He ignored that central aspect of the study.
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  211.  Brick Schitthouse  and you could watch it 1,000 times. It does not mean the study was sound. It was retracted. You are appealing to a false authority. There really is no other way to be more direct with you.
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  212.  Brick Schitthouse thimerosal is not in childhood vaccines Testimony from parents is evidence... anecdotal, but evidence. Would be interesting to see a study done with similar experiences. But there are none
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  213.  Brick Schitthouse  which is only in 1/3 of flu vaccines.
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  214.  Brick Schitthouse  so can you admit there is no evidence of a causal link between vaccines and autism?
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  215.  Brick Schitthouse still does not mean the study was sound. You will take Dels conspiracy theory but not scientific evidence? I just gave you the reasons the study is not sound
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  216.  Brick Schitthouse  you say thimerosal is the causal link, yet you proclaim an MMR study as proof. You appear to refuse to acknowledge the fact there is no thimerosal in childhood vaccines. You are appealing to ignorance, a fallacious argument
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  217.  Brick Schitthouse  MMR does not and never has had thimerosal Only 1/3 of flu vaccines come in mulitidose vials. So thimerosal is NOT the factor in rising rates of ASD
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  218.  Brick Schitthouse  The study you posted is looking at data from the 80s. In the 90s, vaccines were beginning to be manufactured without thimerosal. By 2000, no childhood vaccines contained thimerosal. During this time and after, ASD rates increased. There is no reason to believe there is a causal link between vaccines and autism
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  219.  Brick Schitthouse  You don't have a leg to stand on, mate
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  220.  Brick Schitthouse  ????
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  221.  Brick Schitthouse  Well, you have not shown vaccines to cause autism, so not sure how you can then state it cannot
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  222.  Brick Schitthouse  And? There is no other evidence? Just one study looking at the gut?
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  223.  Brick Schitthouse  Appealing to a false authority is only going to get you deeper into that hole you're digging, mate
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  224.  Brick Schitthouse  Wakefield and his inaccurate and unsubstantiated claims https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/
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  225.  Brick Schitthouse  are you appealing to authority again? Why does Bigtree trump a full investigation? And even IF the wakefield study offered any insight, there is no evidence of causation between vaccines and autism
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  226.  Brick Schitthouse  It has taken this long in the conversation for you construct this appeal to fallacious reasoning, and it is becoming quite circular path around logical reasoning. I have not seen any other support for your assertions, and even though some of your premises may be true, little if any evidence is provided to substantiate your extraordinary conclusion.
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  227.  Brick Schitthouse  Your appeal to authority is that bigtree even has a leg to stand on with unsubstantiated claims of cover up, specious and hypocritical arguments concerning financial disclosures, and no other supportive evidence to justify wakefields assertions. Not sure you even read Deers investigation let alone the link I provided. You seem to believe I have not heard this argument Bigtree has knowledge no one else possess, and your logic that one should trust and not verify his claims, is steaming with hypocritical BS
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  228.  Brick Schitthouse  I am at my phone enjoying life. The question you present is also relevant to yourself. So what other fallacy would you like to build to support the faith you have in vaccines causing autism?
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  229.  Brick Schitthouse  and yet his study does not give support as evidence of causation
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  230.  Brick Schitthouse  And his opinion on the situation carries little water
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  231.  Brick Schitthouse    https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/ https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/no-mmr-autism-link-large-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-kids https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/autism-studies.html https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/ https://autismcenter.org/discussing-vaccines-and-autism
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  232.  Brick Schitthouse  peanuts are dangerous. Water is dangerous. Oxygen is dangerous. Sodium Chloride 0.9% is dangerous. You flippin twit
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  233. @M M man are you full of homeopathic bs
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  234. @M M vaccinated kids are giving other kids who are vaccinated measles Which outbreak of measles was due vaccine shedding?
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  235. @M M and the outbreak was caused by shedding? Nice try, mate
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  236. @M M in the Samoa outbreak, 30% of the population were vaccinated. RFK Jr et al pushed the anti vaccine narrative with bad intent and caused death.
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  237. @M M "Among the 110 California patients, 49 (45%) were unvaccinated; five (5%) had 1 dose of measles-containing vaccine, seven (6%) had 2 doses, one (1%) had 3 doses, 47 (43%) had unknown or undocumented vaccination status, and one (1%) had immunoglobulin G seropositivity documented, which indicates prior vaccination or measles infection at an undetermined time. Twelve of the unvaccinated patients were infants too young to be vaccinated. Among the 37 remaining vaccine-eligible patients, 28 (67%) were intentionally unvaccinated because of personal beliefs, and one was on an alternative plan for vaccination. Among the 28 intentionally unvaccinated patients, 18 were children (aged <18 years), and 10 were adults. Patients range in age from 6 weeks to 70 years; the median age is 22 years. Among the 84 patients with known hospitalization status, 17 (20%) were hospitalized." https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6406a5.htm
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  238. Not needed because......?
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  239.  @dm.b7560  risk is too high?? Higher than 1 in 40,000??
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  240.  @dm.b7560  getting people to understand the natural world and to enjoy the awesomeness of discovery is how we appreciate our insignificance. You are providing misinformation and furthering the canonization of false facts. Just making the blanket statement of 'main stream media' is not evidence of science being dogmatic or a repressive institution.
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  241.  @dm.b7560  why vaccines are not needed... There are many other options already ready and tested. Alright, what reduces the spread and severity of measles other than vaccination? 2 year infection cycles? Dealing with 1 in 1000 children dead?
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  242.  @dm.b7560  how does THAT get people to think for themselves? By appealing to personal incredulity and ignorance? If you post misinformation, do not be insulted if someone calls out your bs. You verify, apologize and move on
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  243.  @dm.b7560  yes, the information IS there, you are correct. Yet your conclusions illustrate your incredulous attitude toward scientific inquiry and falsifiable hypotheses
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  244.  @dm.b7560  so you post your opinion, and wish others to listen to you, but when asked for demonstrable evidence of vaccines being high risk... You care not to elaborate... No need to STOP THIS NOW, is there?
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  245.  @dm.b7560  the youtube video? Dude, learn logic and reason, then you might understand scientific skepticism The plural of anecdote is NOT evidence
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  246.  @dm.b7560  yes. And?
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  247. 2020: Idiots like you
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  248.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  no, they do not
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  249. And this is a concern how?
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  250.  @AlessandroCardano  Most claims in nvicp are from administration of the vaccine and not from the vaccine ingredients What ingredient(s) are your concern?
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  251.  @AlessandroCardano  you can sue the manufacturer, btw
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  252. @M MI have no reason to believe there is even an association between MMR vaccination and encephalitis, aseptic meningitis, or autism.
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  253.  Christian Gruber  🤦‍♀️
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  254.  Christian Gruber  mmr causes meningitis at what rate?
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  255.  @alessiamolteni1759  for sure believed to be the culprit? How do you derive that conclusion?
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  256.  @alessiamolteni1759  cheers
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  257.  @paulquinn4087 ? Measles is not just some common respiratory infection. Measles is serious and highly infectious. 1 in 1000 infected with the measles virus die or get encephalitis Vaccines reduce outbreaks and help prevent disease. Autism is lifelong, but not caused by vaccines I just want to understand your position now....
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  258.  Brick Schitthouse  🤦
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  259.  Brick Schitthouse  Del's friend, the ambulance chaser
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  260.  Brick Schitthouse  but you researched this Del guy, yes? 🤦
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  261.  Brick Schitthouse  no. Just really interesting you have never heard of RFK Jr. Best buds Del and Jr are not doctors but like to play one on camera
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  262.  Brick Schitthouse  So you want to argue from authority? That's like a commercial claiming that a brand of cereal is the best way to start your day because Michael Jordan says it's what he eats every day for breakfast.
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  263.  Brick Schitthouse  biased much?
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  264.  Brick Schitthouse  so the wakefield study has not been replicated nor supported by other research.... What's that causal link again? Mercury? 🤦
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  265.  Brick Schitthouse  Proved my point. No casual link between vaccinations and ASD
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  266.  Brick Schitthouse  😂
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  267.  Brick Schitthouse  you think these videos are something new? That somehow go completely unnoticed? Hardly. They are known for offering specious claims with anecdotal story telling. This is word salad and conjecture. Looking for evidence to fit the conclusion A vaccinaton directly causes autism. Now what is the methodology being used and what evidence has been presented? Has it been repeated? Then what, exactly, is the link between vaccines and autism?
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  268.  Brick Schitthouse  i have, yes. And you certainly have as well. Because this information is not present
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  269. You could save time and just answer what is the link between vaccines and autism?
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  270.  Brick Schitthouse  Clearly you didn't watch the video
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  271.  Brick Schitthouse  yeah. Still debunked
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  272.  Brick Schitthouse  so what's the cause...what's the link?
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  273.  Brick Schitthouse  the study is still rejected. So Del can talk till he's blue in the face, but until he duplicates the study there's not much else to discuss
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  274.  Brick Schitthouse  so what's the link?
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  275.  Brick Schitthouse  looking for evidence to fit your conclusion is called what, exactly?
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  276.  Brick Schitthouse  nothing to do with the science? Please. Confirmation bias at it's best
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  277. Nowhere on a vaccine insert does it state vaccines cause autism
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  278.  Brick Schitthouse  just because Del was articulate does not mean he is necessarily correct What's the link between vaccines and autism?
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  279.  Brick Schitthouse  yet no thimerosal in childhood vaccines 😂😂😂
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  280.  Brick Schitthouse  how do you know he is correct? Sounds like circular reasoning to me. He's said the cause of autism is vaccines very clearly. I know he's right because he explained it. 🤦
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  281. No mercury in vaccines Only a few vaccines have aluminum salts, at most 0.85mg (0.00085g). Formaldehyde in vaccines are at trace amounts. Your body produces far more than a vaccine. All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not poison.
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  282.  @dortiz3088  it is true. Unless you have a source stating otherwise? Mercury is used in multi dose vials. MMR vaccine does not and never has contained aluminum and mercury
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  283.  @dortiz3088  just would like accurate information being discussed instead of misinformation
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  284.  @dortiz3088  https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/thimerosal
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  285.  @dortiz3088  You're welcome
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  286.  @dortiz3088  otherwise, this reasoning is similar of someone claiming the earth is flat. Even though this position always rejects selective observable and testable science, their claims can easily be dismissed.
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  287.  Brick Schitthouse  does logic tell you vaccines cause brain damage? And at what rate?
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  288.  Brick Schitthouse  so you don't know?
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  289.  Brick Schitthouse  yes. And at what rate do vaccines cause brain damage?
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  290.  Brick Schitthouse  at what rate do vaccines cause brain damage?
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  291.  Brick Schitthouse  encephalitis from MMR? ONCE for every 3,000,000 doses 😘
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  292.  Brick Schitthouse  nice strawman
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  293.  Brick Schitthouse  so i read the insert. Posted my findings. What was your point?
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  294. Nice thought, but has nothing to do with the reality vaccines save lives
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  295.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  RFK Jr is an ambulance chaser
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  296.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  merchant of doubt? No. Such. Thing.
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  297.  @hummingbirdbumblebee4618  and YOU delete your posts... I wonder why.....
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  298. What is the link between autism and vaccines?
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  299.  @holisticpoet a link would show cause. You claim aluminum but give misleading information regarding so called "toxic levels." And include Polysorbate80 in the mix...far less in vaccines than one consumes daily. Even if Aluminium salts and Polysorbate80 were a cause of autism, the amount a newborn receives in vaccines is far less than what consume in their diet and what trey absorb in their environment. If you would like to provide a study showing conclusively that a vaccine ingredient is a direct cause of autism, we can go on from there
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  300.  @holisticpoet  if you want the truth you can find it That's edging toward confrontation bias. ...later I found that those studies were taken of the net... So you cited studies with no peer review and are not published? How convincing. But that fits your conspiracy theory. You appear to be looking for evidence to fit your hypothesis. That is THE definition of confirmation bias that's not how science or reason work. Making a claim and then offering no supporting evidence is lazy and full fallacious reasoning.k
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  301.  @holisticpoet  everyone wants it to be just once thing that causes autism No, just you...convinced vaccines are responsible for ASD yet cannot provide causation
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  302.  @holisticpoet  guess who made a claim? YOU, mate. 😂😂
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  303.  @holisticpoet  hehe. Guess who made a claim that my claim in not true. That's not how logic And reason work. You made a claim. I called BS. Then you should make an attempt to provide support
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  304.  @holisticpoet  For you to reference https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/112/6/1394
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  305.  @holisticpoet  which god would this be, exactly?
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  306.  @holisticpoet  I think, therefore I am. A god, I am not.
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  307.  @holisticpoet  your fallacious argument can be best shown through this example "The coin I pulled from the bag is a penny. The second coin is a penny. A third coin from the bag is a penny. Therefore, all the coins in the bag are pennies."   Your inductive reasoning leads you to believe a statement like this  "Harold is a grandfather. Harold is bald. Therefore, all grandfathers are bald."
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  308.  @holisticpoet  so you are saying I am a god or have a god complex... This in response to evidence against your assertion, ... does not change the scientific understanding and decades of research around vaccine development ...
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  309.  @holisticpoet  according to you, if one speaks of scientific evidence and understanding, they are considered playing god?
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  310.  @holisticpoet  https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/infant-and-toddler-health/in-depth/vaccines/art-20048334 https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccines-and-other-conditions/vaccines-autism https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/new-meta-analysis-confirms-no-association-between-autism-and-vaccines https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/
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  311. people are not stupid and realize that they are being lied to You're lying to yourself, mate That mean you stupid?
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  312.  @holisticpoet  this study was undoubtedly funded by Big Pharma directly or indirectly if you are not aware that they are trying to obfuscate the truth you will believe the same old lie So you are basing these claims on a conspiracy to deceive the entire world; orchestrated and perpetuated by ASD nonprofits/foundations, microbiologists, infectious disease researchers, and medical professionals. What a web you spin, looking for anecdotal evidence to fit into your hypotheses and conclusions.
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  313.  @holisticpoet  polysorbate 80 works well as an emulsifier for lipids/oils but it does not work very well if at all in facilitating charged molecules to pass the bbb
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  314.  @holisticpoet  you spin trying to say that if no study is to prove that vaccines cause autism they cannot possibly cause autism That's not how the scientific method works. It does not prove things, but rather gathers evidence and an interpretation of these results. Science advances by conducting repeatable experiments that could potentially disprove the hypothesis. How would you disprove my claim/conclusion, ice cream is the cause of drowning? I don't mean to have this sound as a lecture. I am attempting to show how this is a false cause fallacy... and 'connecting the dots' or a shill gambit is fallacious reasoning. My other attempts may be too simplistic. Assertions concerning big pharma, vaccines and tens of thousands in the research field would need some extraordinary evidence of conspiring to...do...something There is no dogmatic instruction, no required belief or faith in the scientific method. It does take good methodology and every effort to reduce biases. Results must stand up to scrutiny and have repeatability.
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  315.  @holisticpoet  I am not stupid to over 1 million patents just in the US that have autistic children and need the truth about what is causing it But you have not shown any supporting evidence to your claim of a big pharma conspiracy to cover-up information by somehow keeping the science community silent. The conflict of interest between hundreds of thousands of researchers, in and outside the private sector, to ignore/cover-up evidence of a link between vaccines and autism has not been demonstrated. This is a shill gambit, mate
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  316.  @holisticpoet  "Common sense is actually nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down in the mind prior to the age of eighteen."
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  317.  @holisticpoet  Could common sense alone claim all swans are white?
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  318.  @holisticpoet  Del Bigtree is exactly where i thought you were getting your information All speculation. No supportive evidence
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  319.  @holisticpoet  otherwise i will know for sure that you are being paid by Big Pharma to deceive people into using a product that is detrimental to their health 😂😂😂😂
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  320.  @holisticpoet  I'll watch this one. Del is really difficult to listen to. I'll stop by the dispensary today and try to watch after
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  321.  @holisticpoet  and that lawsuit you mentioned? ICAN v CDC? That was voluntarily dismissed with prejudice?? 😂😂
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  322.  @holisticpoet  wait, this 90min video is just Del talking about the dropped case? The FOIA request is basically asking this question: Do you have evidence that ice cream does not cause drownings?
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  323.  @holisticpoet  all speculation after the hour mark. Hea asking why would they lie? Why would they cover this up? Yet Del has done nothing with this lawsuit. Science Does not seek to prove something. It gathers evidence to reduce uncertainty. Science is inherently skeptical There's nothing of substance, just ramblings of a movie producer asking for evidence dog food does not cause unicornism
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  324.  @holisticpoet  I'm gonna need some sativa in order to attempt to follow his backwards reasoning and pretzel logic
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  325.  @holisticpoet  I'm trying to get a discussion and instead you provide fallacious reasoning over and over Your false dilemma is showing I see no reason to believe there is a link between vaccines and autism
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  326.  @holisticpoet  it was always someone who thought differently I understand what you are trying to say here. Advancements in science, to put this simply, depend upon skeptical analysis of the evidence they are gathering. These findings must then holdup to further scrutiny in review, repeatability and predictability. Just making assertions and correlative assumptions without supportive empirical evidence may get you to a hypothesis. However, without evidence, I do not see how one can make a conclusion without addressing uncertainties.
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  327.  @holisticpoet  Breaking this down using this analogy may be more useful I see no reason to believe there is a link between ice cream and drownings. You must be a shill for Big Farm or ignorant to even look at information I stand by my statement, and agree with the current scientific understanding: there is no causal link between ice cream and drownings then prove ice cream doesn't cause drownings. Look at all the legal settlements and lies that have killed thousands due to Big Farm's dangerous practices and shills like you, all to make money. You cannot prove ice cream does not cause drownings! It does! Look at the all the families that have lost loved ones....etc etc etc Earnestly asking, your thoughts?
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  328.  @holisticpoet  Would be nice if you could tell me which statement is false and why
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  329.  @holisticpoet  ICAN v CDC voluntarily dismissed with prejudice This means the plaintiff voluntarily moved to dismiss. CDC agreed. The lawsuit can not be filed again. No evidence of a causal link discussed in Dels long winded assumptions Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence Inability to disprove does not prove The analogy i setup is in direct response to the lawsuit asking for proof of some thing or event not existing. Can you prove you did not have eggs this morning? Or prove Santa Claus does not exist? Have proof Ice cream does not cause drownings? What evidence could one provide to prove these do not exist or did not occur?
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  330.  @holisticpoet  Quotes from the movie producer coming. And they are flawed and outright disco specious. Going to get on a laptop in a bit instead of trying to transcribe the babble on my phone Basically, from 1:04:00 on is referenced in my analogy. A few minutes later, he explains his fallacious argument and doesn't even realize it
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  331.  @holisticpoet  you comeback with a lot of [hyperbole] about how it is all my fault that we cannot have a discussion I am making a full effort not to be fallacious. When i attempt to disagree with your assertions and point out your fallacies, you provide several more
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  332.  @holisticpoet  at 1:04:45 Del after refering to the studies provided and how they do not prove vaccines do not cause autism: do you think it's just possible that the government might be lying to cover up a problem that's going to cost trillions by the way blah blah blah. Well, if you can demonstrate there's been a cover-up for about a century...but he offers only speculation and conspiracy with specious assumptions minutes later Del only 20 studies, all by the way...every one set out to do one thing -- not challenge whether or not a vaccine is safe -- but went out of its way to prove it doesn't cause autism... to prove MMR doesn't cause autism. That is bad science they went with; they did everything to design 20 studies to try and disprove a link and couldn't do it Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence So now Del is going to complain that someone designed a study to prove vaccines do not cause autism (not necessarily, but this is semantics) and calls this bad science. Well Del, you were asking for studies with bad science, these 20 studies did not prove anything, but offered evidence to support no link. No evidence of cause had been found...this is simply reality. Del/ICAN filed a lawsuit for proof(and he's mad when there is none) seeking proof in a court of law and not evidence within the laws of science is disingenuous. This is where the incredulity and shill gambit come in to play and is loudly fallacious There is no such thing as proof of no cause or proof of cause in the laws of science....only in the court of law
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  333. My claim I see no reason to believe there is a causal link between autism and vaccines. Evidence There is no evidence of a causal relationship
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  334.  @holisticpoet  you seem to know with great certainty that vaccines cause autism. Yet you or Del or RFK Jr offer no evidence of cause just speculative assumptions and spurious correlation. Reality? At the bare minimum, the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation between vaccines and ASD There is no study with demonstrable evidence favoring the acceptance of a causal relation.
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  335. Now, it would benefit the discussion if you could produce the statements you find false and why.
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  336.  @holisticpoet  After all that and you ask questions i already addressed?! There is no strong link, mate I wish you would have read what i wrote All of this is addressed
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  337.  @holisticpoet  yes, all that information you wrote is not supported in any way. Just your opinions. The 'information' you have been purporting is not even logically consistent let alone scientifically evident
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  338.  @holisticpoet  you seem to know with great certainty that vaccines cause autism. Yet you or Del or RFK Jr offer no evidence of cause just speculative assumptions and spurious correlation. Reality? At the bare minimum, the evidence is inadequate to accept or reject a causal relation concerning vaccines and ASD There is no study with demonstrable evidence favoring the acceptance of a causal relation
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  339.  @holisticpoet  As ice cream consumption increases, the rate of drownings increases sharply. Therefore, ICE CREAM CAUSES DROWNING can You explain why this is a valud argument but NOT sound More examples of fallacious reasoning regarding correlation vs causation Sleeping with one's shoes on is strongly correlated with waking up with a headache.Therefore, sleeping with one's shoes on causes headache. Young children who sleep with the light on are much more likely to develop myopia in later life.Therefore, sleeping with the light on causes myopia.
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  340.  @holisticpoet  please take the time to read what you asked for and not continue on being ignorantly flippant
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  341.  @holisticpoet  you... refuse to even acknowledge the evidence that i presented I did acknowledge and offered my response I know in my heart that vaccines with all their toxic ingredients are by far the number one cause of autism, regardless of your half hearted attempts to claim that i have no evidence You have no evidence, just a feeling...a hunch. Yet there is no evidence of a causal relationship, in any definiton. The evidence is so overwhelming that the only people who cannot see it are those with a vested interest in keeping this information from the public Evidence is so overwhelming of no such link that anyone can see it except those who rely upon spurious correlations and specious claims. Screaming of a cover-up worldwide would need some extraordinary evidence for such an extraordinary claim. https://autismsciencefoundation.org/what-is-autism/autism-and-vaccines/ https://www.autismspeaks.org/science-news/no-mmr-autism-link-large-study-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-kids https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/autism-studies.html https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/do-vaccines-cause-autism https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccines-and-other-conditions/vaccines-autism https://hub.jhu.edu/2017/01/11/vaccines-autism-public-health-expert/
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  342.  @holisticpoet  attack the points being made, and not strawmen
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  343.  @holisticpoet  maybe it's formula? Or greenhouse gases. Or fairies. it is virtually impossible to prove the absence of a relationship with the same certainty that is possible in establishing the presence of one.
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  344.  @holisticpoet more than a million cases of autism and growing exponetially. Stop the vaccines! More than a million drownings and growing exponetially. Stop the distribution of ice cream!
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  345.  @holisticpoet  you say there IS plenty of proof/evidence, yet what you produce is spurious correlations and specious assumptions. The analogy of ice cream causing drownings illustrates this correlation without causation succinctly
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  346.  @holisticpoet  look at the millions of cases of autism? Sure... Now how do YOU conclude that vaccines are THE single CAUSE??
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  347.  @holisticpoet  There is plenty of evidence but you can only offer....?
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  348.  @holisticpoet  Your a$$ still hurt?
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