Comments by "Jim Luebke" (@jimluebke3869) on "Israel Gave Up Land But Peace Never Came - Bari Weiss" video.

"Why isn't Egypt taking in Palestinians from Gaza? Why don't they have the borders open?" Point one, the border with Egypt opens onto the Sinai desert, which apart from the Sahara one of the least hospitable wildernesses on Earth. Not much help for the Gazans there, in terms of food, water, or other necessities of life. Point two, Konstantin, you're betraying your ignorance of the Palestinians in other countries with that vague "bad things happened" line. The Palestinians with any money, decades ago emigrated to places like Jordan (where they have agitated for the interests of the people of their old country.) Only those without any portable wealth, remained. Egypt can barely provide food and water for itself -- when global food prices rose recently, Egypt fell into a period of anarchy euphemistically labeled "The Arab Spring" by the clueless West. Do you really think two million more impoverished foreigners (with ji*adist sympathies no less) could be assimilated into Egypt?
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"It's very hard for people to wrap their minds around the idea that people who used to have a kingdom in an area could face expulsion and oppression for thousands of years yet still have a presence in the area" Only because we don't know much about Byzantine Christian history, to say nothing of a multitude of other ethnicities in the world. Israelis are hardly unique in all this.
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"Those people need to read a little bit of history" But not a LOT of history, apparently. The Celtic people were indigenous to large swathes of the Roman world, including Italy itself, gradually to find themselves pushed into the fringes. Does that mean that we need to "give Monaco back" to the Welsh? Are we going to be arguing for Circassian right-of-return? Was the Crusaders' only sin, that they did not restore land retaken from the Arab conquest, to Byzantine rule? Should the Greeks have international support to reclaim Asia Minor, forcing the Turks back to the Asian steppe? If so, what of the Magyars? Were the Germans actually justified in retaking that Asian steppe, as a return to their own ancient homeland, after millennia of wandering? "But the idea of a coherent historical nation is important, Israel has that idea but the Palestinians don't" reminds me of nothing more than Eddie Izzard's "Do you have a flag?" routine. Kosovo was apparently the core of the Serbian national identity. Was Slobodan Milosevic a criminal for claiming it for Serbia, or not? Arguing for the resurrection of ancient kingdoms means that every border dispute through all of human history is a live issue again. How can anyone hope to form any lasting peace in the Middle East (or anywhere in the world, for that matter) with that principle in play? Jewish people deserve not to be targeted for their ancestry, obviously. But where is that safety served best -- in Bari Weiss' comfortable American home, or in an extremely dangerous part of the world surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who h*te them, who have claims on land that conflict with theirs? "But we don't want h*te to win", you protest, and I respect that. I would counter that h*te wins, when it is made immortal. I can't see any possible Israeli response to this, that does not fan the flames of this h*tred. "The Gazans convinced us that they were war-weary, and just wanted to get to work" for Israeli companies giving them a favorable labor-cost profile, with no hope for anything other than second-class citizenship in Israel because otherwise Israel would no longer be Jewish-majority. Bari, can you not see that this is exploitation? I hope the Israelis find those who planned and perpetrated this atrocity and hang them, certainly. That is perhaps the one simple position that we can hold onto in all of this. But don't hold out much hope for that action doing anything to make the overall problem go away.
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"I feel like I've been mugged by reality" "This has been brought on by American disengagement and weakness" Ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing the birth of Bari Weiss, NeoCon.
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Are they Sunni or Shia?
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@Yul636 Huh. So does the Sunni / Shia divide separate Hamas and Hezbollah?
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@Yul636 Hell of place to put your country if what you're looking for is safety.
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@Yul636 The Kingdom of God is not of this earth, is what I've always heard.
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"People who I never thought would want to use a g*n, are learning to use a g*n, real fast" Yup, I've always thought that proper American Jews should celebrate Purim not with the costume parties of the crypto-Jews of old Europe, but loud and proud, with beauty pageants and NRA membership drives. =D
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"What would it look like for the Jewish people, to give that land back to the Palestinians?" The backdrop to this interview is not the usual Triggernometry studio -- presumably it's Bari Weiss' home in America. It looks really nice. It seems to me that it's also the answer to Bari's question here.
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"We don't have time to get into what judicial reform looks like" A couple of sentences about that would have been worth the time.
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@orphanedhanyou So I need to keep myself well-informed about the intricacies of some foreign country's internal politics? Er, no. If she's going to bring it up at all, she should explain it.
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"Israel finds itself in an impossible situation. Pull out, and face atrocities like last week. Stay in, and face the moral rot of being a 'settler'." One could wish that this strategic conundrum had been anticipated by those who advanced the idea of moving the Jewish people back to this region in large numbers, in the first place.
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@orphanedhanyou According to Judaism's own history, the "indigenous people" were the Canaanites. If we take the resurrection of ancient kingdoms as our guide, suddenly every border war around the globe throughout all of history, is in play again. How in the world is that wisdom?
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"We have become very uncomfortable in the West with the idea of the exercise of power" Because those exercises lead to h*te, very often.
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