Comments by "Jim Luebke" (@jimluebke3869) on "Konstantin Kisin Defends Book in Battle of Ideas Debate" video.
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The Christian Right will never give up the freedom of someone to say, "You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that."
Edit: This is to make a distinction from people who say "You can't do this, you can't do that, or else we're going to sic the police on you, etc."
What is valuable about the separation of Church and State, is not that organizations dedicated to morality and conscience are somehow bad to have. It's essential for society to have a non-relativistic, set-in-stone Word of God as to what is good to do and not do. (Or if you prefer, a fairly clear consensus of past moral thinkers on the subject - but Pascal wouldn't necessarily bet on that position and neither would I.)
What the West has struck upon is the idea that (similar to bobbies not having access to overwhelming lethal force), "morality police" should not have access to legal or financial force.
BUT, the other side of this coin (that "immoralists" should not have their freedom of speech curtailed) is that traditional moralists should not have their freedom of speech curtailed.
There are three choices that I see for filling England's "morality vacuum" left behind by attacks on Christianity since the time of GB Shaw and HG Wells -- Wokism, Sharia, and a revival of Christianity.
The only one of these three that is consistent with England's traditional Freedom of Speech... is Christianity.
(No, atheism doesn't work. This has been amply demonstrated in the last few years by "Atheism+".)
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@miyojewoltsnasonth2159 As much admiration as I have for Douglas Murray, I think he's going to have to make some sacrifices to bring back a Christian culture.
A great deal of the question will hinge on the pace at which we re-learn Christian lessons -- backed up by current-day, real-world examples -- about what human beings ought to do regarding marriage, family, children, and yes, sex.
The next couple of decades are going to bring into stark relief the demographic disaster that most of Europe is facing, due to 1960's ideas of "modern family" and Lennonist ideas of "love". We're already seeing the drawbacks of immigration as a solution - grudges from the Partition are being fought out on the streets of Middle England, Sharia is being implemented through the magistrate system, etc.
For a less politically charged set of examples, we'll be able to watch the impact of this demographic free-fall on the countries of East Asia.
The answer will be a return to heteronormativity, a new celebration of motherhood, and social policy and habits that lead to strong marriages of one man, one woman, their children, for life, and the baby boom that will cause.
Since promiscuity is one of the major driving factors towards atheism, expect that as Victorian or near-Victorian public morals rise, atheism's appeal will decline. And, since another driving factor towards atheism is the idea that atheism is somehow smarter than Christianity, the obvious wisdom of Christian moral advice will also win out over atheists' nihilistic (and societally suicidal) relativism.
Whether you're comfortable with the degree of influence Christian standards will again have on your social status, you can probably take comfort in the fact that we've had centuries of common sense saying you shouldn't be arrested for missing those standards, aside from some egregious cases.
Of course, in the best case, you'll come around to the good sense that humanity has known for centuries, and enough people will that the margins won't matter so much.
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