Comments by "Jim Luebke" (@jimluebke3869) on "How modern feminism is failing women, with Louise Perry | The Brendan O'Neill Show" video.

  1. Britain's birthrates have been collapsing for a long time, as a direct result of the s**ual revolution. "British" will cease to be a meaningful category in the next 30 or 40 years because of that, unless Hungarian-level efforts to restore British family life are enacted. (Probably some Victorian era social mores, too.) As an American (without a drop of English blood to my name, unless you count the stuff on the hands of my Nordic and Irish ancestors), I have to say I'll miss Britishness. The land of Churchill and Shakespeare, of the King James Bible and the Book of Common Prayer, of the Royal Society and the Industrial Revolution, of Magna Carta and the Glorious Revolution, of Elgar and Holst, of Wellington and Nelson, of CS Lewis and Tolkien, and the "few" from Agincourt to Rourke's Drift to the Blitz' RAF -- how anyone can look at British history and not wish to dedicate their lives to keeping these grand traditions alive, is completely beyond me. The generations waiting in the wings have their own ideas about contemporary British culture, and I have to say the ones who hold your latter-day lack of morals as beneath contempt, are entirely justified in their appraisal of you. Whoever is the successor to the current generation calling Britain home, whether that successor had ancestors there or not, will look at the current moral values as deeply stupid, self-destructive, and demonstrably inferior to the morals of the generations who will come after. "Pride cometh before a destruction", is absolutely true - the Victorians had it right, and you all have it wrong.
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  2. "The best thing for kids is to have two parents who are together" -- Completely true. "They can either be same-s** or opposite s*" -- Completely absurd, you even contradict this earlier in the discussion. Children raised in a situation with an unrelated adult are vastly more likely to be abused. Unless a woman hooks up with her baby's father's sister or something similarly rare, a same-s* partner is going to be unrelated. One man, one woman, for life. There's a reason this has been the norm in successful societies for millennia. Anything else tends to hurt children.
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  3.  @queengoblin  Adults who are... related.
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  4. "Does dedication to p**n cause the physical and emotional problems, or do those problems cause dedication to p**n?" Neither. Both are a consequence of the collapse of positive social habits like a dedication to marriage and family.
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  5. "The S**ual Revolution can't be undone" Wrong. Regency-era social mores were very similar to the social mores of today (including flamboyant transvestism), and despite the technological discovery of how to work latex effectively, next up in the queue of social movements was the Victorian Era. The Victorian Era happened because the children (like Victoria and Albert) of promiscuous people have profoundly worse lives than the children of morally upright people. We're seeing the pendulum swing now as well, in spite of huge propaganda efforts to impede true progress on this point. Immoral people make bad times, bad times make moral people (suffering leads to endurance, endurance to character, character to hope, as St. Paul teaches), moral people make good times, good times make immoral people, on and on it goes...
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  6. What liberated women? Not washing machines, not "great" feminists, not birth control -- It's plumbing, vaccines, and antibiotics. Back when infant mortality rates were 50% and up, if you had told any woman that being a society photographer was a higher calling than doing whatever she could to keep children alive, she would have called you a fool. The plain fact is that while it's unquestionably a good thing that women doing traditional women's work doesn't have such shocking stakes anymore, we've completely overshot what need to be the norms of a generationally successful society. Norms need to be something like, "Women should contribute to society and their own lives by pursuing their talents outside the home, but not to the exclusion of having two, maybe three kids." Any real adult discussion should be about how loosely or strictly those norms need to be enforced, and by what means, to achieve a stable population. Most of what we have now is just adolescent whinging - a desire to stay stuck at one stage of life, never making any progress, never achieving any kind of maturity.
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  7. "The pill was a great leap forward" Collapsing birth rates are leading to the collapse of Europe. This is a good thing? Mass-medication of women whose bodies now think they are pregnant has led them to prefer gelded men. Estrogen in the ground water has led to a collapse of male fertility as well. This is a good thing?
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  8.  @palaceofwisdom9448  Look at previous generations, it's been a lot better. Things worked out for my parents, grandparents, etc. We don't need to despair, we just need to go back to what worked. It's going to involve making women with certain characteristics the villain of every story and the but of every joke for several decades, until society forgets that the current insanity was ever fashionable. It's happened before, it can happen again. Seriously, women are extremely susceptible to peer pressure. It'll take less time and effort than you think to reach critical mass on a new, healthier society. We just have to work towards it. =)
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  9. "There has been a reaction against the s**ual revolution from the Right for some time." Yes, it's called "Being right all along."
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  10. "Is freedom a good thing?" Freedom to do the right thing is a good thing. Freedom to do the wrong thing is not necessarily good.
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  11.  @palaceofwisdom9448  Expectations are formative, especially for people who tend towards agreeableness. Changing the culture will help most people. I've seen good women, and I've seen bad women. The "nature" you fear isn't universal among them, and the right nurture can fix a lot of things. Our current culture is just doing it wrong.
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  12. "We've gone from 'p**n shame' to 'p**n pride', there's been a cultural shift" A shift in the propaganda, at least. You realize that suppressing or denigrating Christian voices and ideas is what has led us into this mess, right?
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  13. "P**n used to be seen as problematic, and now it's not." Yes. Because conventional wisdom is wrong now, and conventional wisdom of past centuries was correct. Please apply this to most of this discussion, and answers for how to proceed from here will be much easier to find. =)
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  14. "This lobby is called authoritarian, religious, or whatever epithet you want to throw" This societal crisis will not be solved until a majority of people realizes that "Religious" is not a negative thing. I hope that at that time England is still English enough to realize that the choice is not between Secularism and Christianity, but between Islam and Christianity, and that if they want to look like England and not Syria, the choice is clear.
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  15. "The pill was never really reliable enough to genuinely sever the link between s** and reproduction" Just now realizing this, eh? There's also the strong evolutionary pressure to get around the effects of the pill. We are currently breeding a population of women who don't want to take the pill for one reason or other. Life finds a way, as they say.
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