Comments by "Jim Luebke" (@jimluebke3869) on "JRE Clips"
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You can balance lives against lives. Right now, we're seeing the total death toll for this pandemic at about 60k. That's 5k-10k below the annual death toll for drug overdoses, which is between 65k and 70k. The reason this is a meaningful number here is because of the direct causal link between economic depression and suicide (especially from drug overdoses.) If we try to save any more lives from COVID-19, (and since the typical COVID-19 victim is of advanced age and has one or more health issues already) there is a serious question as to how much human life we are really preserving with these economy-cancelling efforts.
Further, the more quarantine and "social distancing" we do, the slower that Herd Immunity develops in our population. (This is where a virus spreads far more slowly because people have antibodies because they've had it already; it's why we don't have epidemics all the time.) Without herd immunity, we're going to see wave after wave of COVID-19. Can our economy tolerate not only these few months of quarantine, but several months of quarantine for several years? It's possible that we'll see not only the least economic impact, but also the least death overall, if people who are likely to have few or no symptoms get CV-19 as soon as possible.
In the end, we must protect those who are most likely to die of this sickness. However, the best way to do that might actually be for the rest of us to get it and get over it ASAP.
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"The pace of change is accelerating" is the biggest lie people tell these days. Look at the physical changes to America in Joe's lifetime (1967 to today, 2020) and compare it to the physical changes from 1867 to 1920. In 1867 we didn't even have a transcontinental railroad, the city of Denver was less than 10 years old, the first generation of sod-busting farmers were still living in Kansas, you got everywhere on horseback. Custer got the 7th Cavalry wiped out in 1876. Fast-forward to 1920, and we'd won a European war, cars were everywhere, you could fly across the continent, and people were moving off of the farms and into cities at an accelerating rate.
Nah, it was all suburbs in 1967, and it's all suburbs now. Instead of commuting you have telecommuting, which is not as big a change as what we saw 1867 to 1920, not even close.
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Hey Joe -- ask Ben Shapiro to give you some figures on how much money the Democrats have pumped through inner cities since the Great Society began. I think you'd be shocked at the totals (billion after billion after billion). How much good did all that do?
It's the collapse of the black family that's done most of the damage (Great Society again, see the Moynihan Report*), and the damage to black churches (which atheists like YOU have contributed to.)
Now they've got riots too, basically the afterparties to these protests that you like so much.
More people will die of Covid from these marches, than were ever lynched (5000, over a thousand of whom were not actually black), combined with the number the police have killed in the last century. More people have already died by violence in these riots (20+), as there were unarmed black people killed by cops in the last year (9).
Do you want to do some good? Support social infrastructure in these neighborhoods (YES, I mean churches) and stop glorifying intoxicants like weed and booze. If you'd prefer, get Jordan Peterson's message out to these places too (although you'd be best off doing all of the above.)
And if you really support the protests, call out the idiots that are hijacking that goodwill to push "defund the police", establish no-go zones in Seattle, and push for weird SJW laws that would criminalize you for your opposition to domestic violence in MMA. Not to mention the street violence from Antifa (and weakness of our central government) that reminds me of nothing so much as the situation that led to the National Socialists keeping the peace and gaining so much goodwill in Weimar Germany.
Jeez. I didn't take you for an absolute naif. You're better than this, Joe.
* https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/moynihan-report-1965/
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Incremental improvement: no refrigeration (and the poor nutrition that leads to), fridges with poisonous compressor fluids, fridges with compressor fluids that aren't poisonous but cause environmental damage at end-of-life, fridges with compressor fluids that don't cause problems.
Same deal: Walking, which limits peoples' productivity, lives, and freedom; horses, that can help us work and travel but take enormous dumps all over the place that breed diseases; internal-combustion cars, that help us travel and work but don't c**p so much New York needed to devote several city blocks to manure yards stacked dozens of feet deep, but the cars use leaded gasoline which cause diseases on a far less extensive basis; to cars that don't use lead in the gasoline anymore but cause some smog.
All in all, our problems are getting smaller, not bigger, but we're panicking more. Why is that?
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@matthewbittenbender9191 Let me lay it out for you again, slowly.
If "The vast majority of the documents that Snowden exfiltrated from out highest levels of security had nothing to do with exposing government oversight of domestic activities" that means Snowden did not carefully vet the documents he published.
If "The vast majority of [documents that Snowden exfiltrated from out of highest levels of security] were related to our military capabilities, operations, tactics, techniques, and procedures", that is literal criminal espionage targeting the military capabilities of the United States, and it is VERY illegal, for VERY good reasons, including the fact that American troops and civilians get hurt when that happens.
Look, did I read that wrong? Did General Dempsey mean something other than what I took him to mean?
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@copperbackpack2025 So, a large number of capable, independent-minded people, who are well aware of the how to get things done, suddenly find themselves without the ventures that were keeping them busy 80 hours a week?
So these productive people, who didn't consider politics as important as building something real in the world, may have recently had a rude awakening, regarding the abysmal incompetence of people operating at various levels of government, whose incompetence led directly to the economic catastrophe we find ourselves in?
So we may have a large pool of extremely useful people highly motivated to replace those incompetent government functionaries, from Gavin Newsom to Sandy Cortez to Ted Wheeler, and to step up to public service and make those public services work well to rebuild and maintain the small business orientation that has always made America strong?
Winston Churchill once said, "Therefore, in casting up this dread balance sheet and contemplating our dangers with a disillusioned eye, I see great reason for intense vigilance and exertion, but none whatever for panic and despair." It's easy to see ourselves, in our own situation, in that speech.
"What [Herbert Marcuse] called the [Long March through the institutions] is over. I expect that the Battle of [America] is about to begin. Upon this battle depends the survival of Christian civilization. Upon it depends our own [American] life, and the long continuity of our institutions and our [Nation]. The whole fury and might of the enemy must very soon by turned on us. [SJWs] know they will have to break us in this [country] or lose the war. If we can stand up to them, all [the world] may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that, if the [United States] last for a thousand years, men will say, 'This was their finest hour.'"
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