Comments by "" (@jb76489) on "David Pakman Show"
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jimiie5436 "Every country is in a different situation, but that doesn't mean it can use it as an excuse for when things aren't going right. " So countries are different but if something works in one country then it will obviously work in every single one because they all operate under the exact same circumstances
"There are a lot of black people in France, from their former African colonies. There are a lot of black people in the UK and even fresh immigrants in Spain now from Africa."
But no where near the number of immigrants that the US has
"facts/reality and find a really thoughtful solution" Oh facts like you're more likely to use a gun defensively that you are be be assaulted with one? Or that murder has been falling for over two decades now at the same time as gun ownership has been increasing and not only has the rate been falling, it's been falling faster than a number of other countries that have adopted gun control
"Allowing everyone to obtain a weapon obviously doesn't work" Well then it's a good thing that not everyone can get a gun in the US, but obviously you knew that and just conveniently forgot to mention that; the alternatives, that you were too damn lazy to do anything other that parrot something you read somewhere else or were intentionally misrepresenting something , are obviously not possible
"make it harder for criminals/mentally ill people to obtain them" Vastly easier said than done in the US; maybe you haven't noticed but criminals, they tend not to care what the law says (during prohibition they got alcohol, today they can still get drugs and convicted felons, who are banned from owning firearms, still get guns)
"There are a lot of practical examples today of which USA could a take a lesson from." Like mexico and russia and south east asia and south america and africa and all those countries which have instituted some form of gun control and surprise surprise, it did not work
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jimiie5436 in 1993, the australian muder rate was 1.9
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi261.html
in 2012 it was 1.3
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/facts/1-20/2013/1_recorded.html
thats a decrease of roughly 31%
US
1993: 9.8
2012:4.7
thats a decrease of roughly 52%
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
"The fact is 2000 people die , which is by far the highest in any developed country" it's almost as if the US has a much larger population
Also, that number is completely made up
but even looking at rate, it's not the highest, third actually
And when you look at things like sexual assault, robbery, assault, quite the opposite
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
"And I want a reference to that 49% because you USA people always tend to make up your own facts." Because you haven't been making stuff up this whole time, like that 2000 deaths thing
I'm curious though, where did you get thatI'ma n american? Or did you just make something up and assume that it was true because it fit your idea as to what you think is true?
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jimiie5436 "You cannot say that I am lazy after the info I already gave you" wow, you cited wikipedia, good job
"moment people need guns to defend themselves,there is something wrong" no shit sherlock, that as why I want every advantage i can get. In an ideal world no one would need a gun for self defense but thats not the world we live in
"Having guns freely available wouldn't really help improve the situation, would it? " Uh yeah, believe it or not criminals don't really care whether something is illegal or not(prohibition, war on drugs, felons cannot own guns but still do) and by making guns harder to get you're giving them an advantage regardless of whether that specific criminal has one or not
"we don't need to guns to defend ourselves" well good for you, believe it or not, not every single person in the world is exactly like you, some of them are old, others a physically disabled and in a confrontation, a gun is really the only option they have other than hoping the perpetrator doesn't mind leaving witnesses
"How about improve your police, mental hospitals, care to people who need help"
1. police cannot be everywhere at once
2. even when you call them it takes several minutes
3 they have no duty to protect you (try suing them for not doing so)
4. Because all criminals are insane
5. Because its easy and cheap to completely treat 100% of mental illness
"which in reality/long term doesn't solve anything" it sure seems to be, firearm ownership is up, ccw licensing in way up and crime is down
" 9000" here's an idea, look up the actual number, and stick with that number, stop making a new one up every time
"there are a lot of innocent people dying by unintentional use of farm arms" 606, slightly less than the number of deaths due to bicycles
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jimiie5436 " you USA" Tell me, where do you think I live? Cause I'm betting you're wrong
"I told you why I had 2000" yes you did, because you were to lazy to check
"give you a link about the 9000"
You said "There are around 8000 gun deaths per year in the USA.", this is nor true, there were 8,885 homicides with a gun in 2012 but not all deaths are homicides
"You see Wikipedia and assume it is not credible, without even checking its references"
And apparently neither did be cause if you had read the cdc paper, you would have seen that the only reference to firearms what an informal estimate
"clearly suck in creating a safe society" thats why crime of all types is going down and things like rape and assault and robbery are less common than the "developed world"
"You have never lived in a society without guns, and because of your indifference about other people, you have to arm yourself to the teeth." I must say,this idea you have of me in your head is quite different than the actual me, not that you've let reality distract you before
"you live in a banana republic" Again, where might that be? Also, do you have any actual idea what that term actually means?
"you fail to create a safer society." again, down 50% and falling every year
"hings USA can learn from other countries to improve its safety and gun deaths." because the US is exactly the same as those other countries
Tel me though, what are these magical laws that would solve everything?
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