Comments by "TheVilla Aston" (@thevillaaston7811) on "Operation Market Garden | Animated History" video.
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@jpmtlhead39
'AT the time of El Alamein, Rommel wasnt even in África, to have a real command of his forces. He Just left some "directives" how to respond to the brittsh attack, that he knew It was abaut to come.'
The same question applies: Rommel was outnumbered two to one at Alamein. Does defeat there make him a bad general?
Its a simple question, a 14 year old could work it out.
And in Arnhem, the "brilliant" Montgomery, with the famous 4 Victoria crosses awarded (postum), tryed to gained a Moral Victory, on the total hummiliation of Market Garden. The Biggest Paratroopers operation of the war. His total lack of awareness and intelegence, made the perfect storm, for the poor paratroopers. A very real, bridge to far.
A "brilliant" plan, from a "brilliant" general
The MARKET plan was down to the head of the FAAA, US General Lewis Brereton.
Btw. Why is an hispanic like you taking an interest in real countries? Spain was not in the war, apart from helping the Nazis.
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@jpmtlhead39
1/10 for effort.
'got to do with everything.
You can only have a proper battle, if you have weapons and logistics to do so.' Your words.
OK. So Urquhart being out gunned, and oiutnumbered , losing at Arnhem made him a bad general?
And Britain dindt had the means, to engage the German army, only by Herself. Everybody knows that.' OK. So how does that make Montgomery 'The most overated general in Military history'?
'You have many examples, of brilliant german generals, Without the means to do what They intended to do.'
OK, so how many of them won when the odds were not in their favour? How many of them won without incurring hefty casualty figures?
Example: At Alam el Halfa, Rommel outnumbered Montgomery by 6 to 4. Yet Montgomery won. Does that make Rommel a bad General?
Example: At Alamein, Rommel was out numbered by 2 to 1, and lost. Does that make Rommel a bad General? Of course not .
For Alamein, allowed himself to be mauvered into a position whereby he had all but outrun his supply lines, and he found himself with the sea on his left, and the Qattara Depression on his right, and thus no room to outflank his opponent. The cardinal sins of warfare in the desert. Does that make Rommel a bad General?
Btw. Montgomery won at Almein with less than 7% casualties. Compare that to US casulty figures in their battles with the Germans...
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'from the lend lease program 80 % was food. Brittain was starving to death. No to mention,oil.
And tanks,airplanes,guns,everything you need to not starve and fighting a War.
If were not for the US Help,maybe the language in brittain,was another today.'
Your words.
Its a definite no.
The food import figures for 1941 are typical:
1941 total food imports: 14.654 million tons
1941 food imports from the USA: 1.073 million tons. (7.3% of the above total).
Oill came from the Middle East, Central America, as well from the USA.
Britons speak English, as Americans do, because Germany had no means of defeating Britain, regardless of anything supplied to Britain from the USA.
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From Big Woody (aka Para Dave):
'Thicko Monty just displayed his single thrust @ OMG.A concept so idiotic that pretty much everyone in Allied HQ blasted it. I mean it ended up like 1940 Norway,the Netherlands,Belgium,France,Dunkirk - complete routes.That's why the GIs had to get it sorted.....AGAIN.Hey tell the board Little Villa how mum took some Gerries prisoner.' His words.
The single thrust:
The Germans agreed that a concentrated allied thrust would have been the best policy...
'I am in full agreement with Montgomery. I believe General Eisenhower's insistence on spreading the Allied forces out for a broader advance was wrong. The acceptance of Montgomery's plan would have shortened the war considerably. Above all, tens of thousands of lives—on both sides—would have been saved'
Hasso von Manteuffel.
"The best course of the Allies would have been to concentrate a really strong striking force with which to break through past Aachen to the Ruhr area. Germany's strength is in the north. South Germany was a side issue. He who holds northern Germany holds Germany. Such a break-through, coupled with air domination, would have torn in pieces the weak German front and ended the war. Berlin and Prague would have been occupied ahead of the Russians. There were no German forces behind the Rhine, and at the end of August our front was wide open. There was the possibility of an operational break-through in the Aachen area, in September. This would have facilitated a rapid conquest of the Ruhr and a quicker advance on Berlin.
Gunther Blumentritt
And also, it seems, one American who was there:
'if Eisenhower had not been so "wishy washy" and had backed either Montgomery or Bradley in the fall of 1944, the war would have been over by Christmas. '
Ralph Ingersoll.
The 'GIs' (In particular Eisenhower) gave us [the allies] AACHEN, the HURTGEN FOREST, METZ, an under resourced MARKET GARDEN, and the ARDENNES - the ARDENNES where Montgomery had to postpone VERITABLE and then come down and sort out the Bulge. And damn right Montgomery should have told the world how it was. I can only mavel and the restraint that Montgomery showed in that press conference.
Capturing Gerries...doubtless Americans have stories of US civilians dealing with Germans in the US homeland. It must have been scary, what with the Germans being a mere 3,000 miles away.
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@jpmtlhead39
And how was Germany going to defeat Britain without a Navy that was capable of taking on the Royal Navy. In the Summer of 1940, Germany had 1 heavy cruiser, 2 light cruisers, and 6 destroyers to face the Royal Navy’s 14 battleships and battle cruisers, 7 aircraft carriers, 58 cruisers, and 120 plus destroyers. By September 1940, the Germans had two prototype landing craft, each capable carrying 45 troops, that was it for the entire war. The rest of any invasion force would have to have been conveyed in barges. Germany had no heavy bomber fleet in 1940, and its air force as a whole was up against the then most powerful air defence system in the world. Britain was routinely reading German armed forces communications, and would go on to read German high command signals.
By the end of August 1940, Britain was able to send half of its tank fleet to the Middle East. By early 1941, Britain had two million fully armed men in Britain.
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Dod o
Big Woody is a liar, and this is why:
Big Woody’s forgery can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2obwt4n1G0&lc=UgyXsiASB8pi_JS_WfV4AaABAg.9Afuv3FHaYc9BMmj0JXY2u&feature=emcomments
Lead comment:
John Cornell
3 weeks ago (as of 31 07 2020)
Patton should have kept his mouth shut and concentrated on achieving his task of taking Metz, which had been his objective two weeks before Market Garden and yet still hadn't done it 8 weeks after Market Garden.
The 25th reply is the lie:
Big Woody
1 week ago (as of 31 07 2020)
Das Deutsches Afrika-korps: Siege und Niederlage. By Hanns-Gert von Esebeck, page 188 Returning from North Africa with an inflated ego after the comparatively easy defeat of the German Africa Corps, he considered himself to be the greatest commander ever. Later information has revealed that he inflated the number of German casualties to improve his image. At El Alamein he claimed that there were more German casualties than there were German troops all together on the actual front!
This is were Big Woody unwisely took it from:
http://ww2f.com/threads/what-went-wrong-with-operation-market-garden.28468/page-5#post-389603
What went wrong with Operation Market Garden?
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'Returning from North Africa with an inflated ego after the comparatively easy defeat of the German Africa Corps, he considered himself to be the greatest commander ever. Later information has revealed that he inflated the number of German casualties to improve his image.
At El Alamein he claimed that there were more German casualties than there were German troops all together on the actual front!' ...
RAM, July 28 2010
...From another opnion in a hack forum, not from 'Das Deutsches Afrika-korps: Siege und Niederlage. By Hanns-Gert von Esebeck' as Big Woody claimed.
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