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A few points I could have made clearer in this episode:
Pre-modern people primarily related to the Runes as a system for writing, not as a system of symbols. Bureus is the first person for which we have evidence for the use of Runes primarily as mystical symbols. If you primarily relate to the Runes as a system of mystical symbols then you are much more historically and spiritually similar to Bureus than pre-Christian Rune-users. That shouldn’t surprise us: he’s closer to us in virtually every sense - historically, religiously, philosophically, anthropologically, etc. - than he was to the Vikings, etc.
Bureus’ mystical system is profoundly Christian, even if a specific kind of hermetic-kabbalisitic Christianity. Aside from his theological and soteriological interpolations, his text abounds in Biblical prooftexts. Unfortunately, this fact is conspicuously ignored and even distorted in contemporary occult discussion of the Adulruna Rediviva. I suspect this is out of other theological agendas or the unfortunate anti-Christian bias of much of contemporary occultism. However, let’s not commit the genetic fallacy. Neo-Pagan spiritual practices descended genealogically from this very Christian form of mysticism aren’t guilty of some original sin. Spiritual practices evolve and often reach religious escape velocity from their origins.
Before mocking the admittedly outlandish mystical positions that Bureus comes to vis-a-vis surviving old Norse religious texts, recall that he was the best educated person on this topic in his lifetime. He employed the most advanced hermeneutical, linguistic and epigraphic tools anyone had access to. Further, his mystical orientation was underwritten by multiple learned streams that we all praise as part of the intellectually high water mark of the Renaissance and that he brought together with truly deft finesse. All that and he still ended up with positions that strike us - and are, to be honest - astoundly at odds with historical Norse religion. Let that inspire intellectual and spiritual humility in us and lead us to question those who unflinchingly provide The Answers™ when we pose honest questions because the historical evidence is simply inconclusive. Finally, while the spiritual creativity of Bureus can and should be praised, I hope it can also equally inspire us to be comfortable with simply not knowing and thus not rushing to fill in those gaps with our own wishes, biases and spiritual agendas.
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I think, at least part of why I might agree with Federici here, is that the proto-Enlightenment view was (1) itself persecuted tremendously until the late-18th century and was a minority movement even to this day if pew data about scientific attitudes / education is accurate, (2) there likely weren't any actual "witches," or, at least, virtually no evidence of them, as you define them, or otherwise has ever appeared [even the cunning folk mostly seem male and where semi-pagan magical practices did seem to survive, e.g., Iceland, most of the witchcraft prosecutions were actually of men! ] (3) the women that were know-how-targeted were likely using a form of the scientific method to produce reliable fertility technologies, including the redevelopment of the caesarian cut thus making them better experimentalists than Boyle, Newton or Paracelsus for that matter (4) good evidence that Enlightenment values never really stuck in the popular imagination thus downplaying the 'paradigm shift' as at least the level of popular imagination (e.g., 978-0226403366) (5) that much of wicca and contemporary occultism has actually embraced rather than rejected 'scientific discourse' as a means of legitimization (e.g., 978-1-4384-6992-8), and (6) Greta is one of the most militantly pro-science people in the public sphere I can think of.
For me the strength of Federici's analysis is just how much she is able to use the material data at hand to produce a theory which covers the relevant data points without much in the way of ad hoc or just-so narratives. My complaint about her book is that it needs to be several more volumes - especially looking at the relationship between economic indicators (wages, buying power, food prices, crop yields, etc.,) and trial correspondence - which she certainly sketches in pgs 76-80 and in the end notes - to sure up the argument. To me the argument is profoundly compelling but to be convincing a much later research program into the thesis would be required. I hope another generation of scholars takes up that task. Ultimately, Caliban and the Witch is, for me, the start of a profound conversation not the end of one.
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"I am the daughter of Fortitude, and ravished every hour from my youth. For behold I am Understanding and science dwelleth in me; and the heavens oppress me. They cover and desire me with infinite appetite; for none that are earthly have embraced me, for I am shadowed with the Circle of the Stars and covered with the morning clouds. My feet are swifter than the winds, and my hands are sweeter than the morning dew. My garments are from the beginning, and my dwelling place is in myself. The Lion knoweth not where I walk, neither do the beast of the fields understand me. I am deflowered, yet a virgin; I sanctify and am not sanctified. Happy is he that embraceth me: for in the night season I am sweet, and in the day full of pleasure. My company is a harmony of many symbols and my lips sweeter than health itself. I am a harlot for such as ravish me, and a virgin with such as know me not. For lo, I am loved of many, and I am a lover to many; and as many as come unto me as they should do, have entertainment. Purge your streets, O ye sons of men, and wash your houses clean; make yourselves holy, and put on righteousness. Cast out your old strumpets, and burn their clothes; abstain from the company of other women that are defiled, that are sluttish, and not so handsome and beautiful as I, and then will I come and dwell amongst you: and behold, I will bring forth children unto you, and they shall be the Sons of Comfort. I will open my garments, and stand naked before you, that your love may be more enflamed toward me"
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@danterosati I guess my argument is that while a technological paradigm shift has occurred I'm not sure a worldview one has - most people have extremely limited scientific literacy, if studies show anything. I think most people live with radically modern tech but only semi-modern scientific attitudes. I would also count Blavatsky as a radical modernist here as well. Yep, people hate Greta but precisely for her insistence on modernity revealing where the mentality of the other side is :) Re: Hildegard, probably if she were living in 1550 and not 1150., I agree. Beguines were already being burned by the early 14th century! Though, I have yet to see a single trial transcript where the 'evidence' was knowledge of herbalism, scrying, folk-craft, use of crystals, etc. I'm actually pouring over transcripts and demonologies for a public lecture on witchcraft in October and it's amazing how (1) uniform the accounts are by 1550 onward and (2) how the image of the persecuted wise woman doesn't seem to surface much, at least from the records despite that common belief now. History is usually inconvenient for those living after it :)
Thanks for your thoughtful comments, Dante. Your erudition and thoughtfulness is a blessing!
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@hyperboreanarchives7299 Absolutely there are xenophobic Jewish folks and I've called it out myself. Yep, there was a lot of influence, especially from Persian culture. If you want to get a better understanding of Jewish texts my favorite text is Holtz - Back To The Sources: Reading the Classic Jewish Texts - 978-0671605964. If you want more specifically on the Talmud let me know. That text deals nicely with the Talmud as well and serves as a textbook for classes I teach. Yep, some Rabbis say dreadful things - especially Jochanan b. Zakkai and Shimon b. Yochai, no doubt about it. It's about owning them, putting them in their context (Shimon b. Yochai was viciously oppressed by the Romans, for instance, thus his opinion of the 'Edomites' isn't too high as you might imagine). Also, just fyi 'goyim' can refer to any non-Jewish person regardless of skin color (most 'goyim' aren't white) and Jews also come in many skin colors, etc. Though, it's not a term I like to use much. I don't belong to a form of Judaism that buys the 'chosen people' theology.
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It's as a good a guess as any. Wachter first makes this argument in around 1699 in two texts, one of which only survives in a Russian translation, and seems to think that the Kabbalists held that God was Nature and that Spinoza is 'unveiling' this Kabbalistic ideas (better, error, to his mind) unto the world without all the trapping of Hebrew, etc. So far as I can tell this seems to misread Kabbalistic ideas more than it does Spinoza in the end. While the sefirot do 'reach down' to malkhut which is our cosmos, at least in some Kabbalistic schools, to my knowledge no Kabbalist I've ever read argues that God should be identified with nature. Even the later, more Hasidic linking of הַטֶבַע (ha-teva), Nature, and אֱלֹהִים (Elohim), God via gematria doesn't, to my knowledge, appear in the Zohar, Sha'Are Orah, Etz HaHayim, etc. I think its just more of Kabbalah functioning as a kind of cipher for X-tians to extract mystical secrets from when they want that or to blame as the origin of heresy and heterodoxy when that seems useful.
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I would say that Hermetic Qabalah has actually deviated from Christian Cabala, it's more proximate genetic ancestor, but has fundamentally not gotten escape velocity from a priori Christian categories precisely because neither Christian Cabala nor Hermetic Qabalah really did the work to understand the source material, i.e., Zohar, etc. In fact, I think the Christians like Reuchlin, Postel, von Rosenroth, etc., did a pretty good job with the tools they had - far better than 19th century occultists with access to even better tools! In other words, "deviation" implies an origin and failing to understand that origin in its complexity seems either intellectual perilous or lazy or both.
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@danterosati It's true - we don't get something like what we now call a 'meta-ethics' in the Shurrupak text and the text seems to be largely appealing to prudence or, perhaps, the principle of utility. Though, from a pov of moral repugnance we could keep in mind Aristotle's view of 'natural slavery.' But no, I would agree something like the Instructions is no where nearly as developed as Plato (though, even Plato's meta-ethics while metaphysically interesting remains very vague and un-developed) and Aristotle. But, as far as I read it, still reasoning about ethics which, for me, would allow for me to group it as a philosophical text. No a very sophisticated one, to be sure and very much to your point.
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I agree about Hill House. Also best comma usage. “No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to dream. Hill House , not sane, stood by itself against its hills, holding darkness within; it had stood so for eighty years and might stand for eighty more. Within, walls continued upright, bricks met nearly, floors were firm, and doors were sensibly shut; silence lay steadily against the wood and stone of Hill House, and whatever walked there, walked alone.”
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