Comments by "Dylan Burston" (@dylanburston7453) on "Hagerty"
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@jammaschan Your arguing against yourself. I said Mclaren make too much in too short amount of time, not that they milked a single model.
And the Zonda was memed for the fact that there were 30 "last ones".
If a company has a confusing car, its usually just one car (911) or the company only makes one or two cars, like Zonda and buggati, so have to milk it. Mclaren has the issue for each one of its cars up and down the range.
Like, you had the 570s, which was the baby Mclaren, but then 30 seconds later they released the 540s, which was identical but cheaper but totally crap.
The 720s upgraded model was the called the 765LT, but its identical looking succesor is called the 750s.
So to anyone who knew nothing about cars would assume it goes 720>750>765 because thats how numbers work.
Then youve got the 540s, the 570, and the 600Lt, which was available at the same time as the 650s, but it was actually based on the sports series, which had the 5 designation befoehand, and wasnt in the super series with the 650s or 675lt. It made 590 horsepower, was based on the sports series cars that all had the 500 prefix, so why did they not just call it the 590.
And then they replaced all of that with the Artura (finally a name, hopefully they continue that if they keep releasing 600 new models a year).
You also have the GT having its own "series" and just being a drooling, jam licking unloved idiot in the background.
Its just a hoj poj of neatly identical looking cars and names, with a naming convention that trips over itself, up and down the line.
Its like the Hasburg family tree, a mess of too many models with too similar places in the range, with a confused and conflicted naming method.
The 540/70/600LT (see, makes no sense) all look the same, as does the Artura. The 720 looks identical to the 750s. Its own high performance model looks more like a different car than its replacement.
And the 650s, the car that looks the most differnt to the one it replaced, was the one that was the closest to a facelift rather than a new model.
And all the "ultimate series" cars do look different, but its the lineage thats confusing.
So, you start with the F1. Then Mclaren release the P1, alongside the other hypercar trinity.
Simple enough, goes F1>P1. Then, 4 years later, they release the Senna, which outperforms the P1 around a track in every single way. But apparently, this isnt the successor to the P1, its sort of off to one side, despite being the top level hypercar they make, and filling the same role in the range. Okay..... So surely the Speed-tail, a top speed focused, low drag car with a unique 1+2 central seating position, just like the F1 is with hybrid technology like the P1 is, right. Right? No, apparently that sits off to one side as well. Then they release the solus, sabre and elva at relativly the same time.
Oh, these are in the ultimate series as well.
And then Mclaren turn up 10 years after the P1, and say that the W1 is its succsesor, despite having 2 cars that did the same thing before.
And Yes, Mclarens a new company, but its about to turn 15 years, and its still a complete mess.
It has bedget issues because the cars dont have enough room to breathe, and the people who eventually get their head around the range, immedeatley dont buy a Mclaren and go back to a Ferrari, Porsche or Lamborghini, because it kept breaking down, and when they took it for a service, theyd found that Mclaren had actually just replaced the entire car around the faulty part, charged you elventymillionand400millionbillion £ for the pleasure, and told them to f off.
Also, they massivly oversupplied dealers, to the point that they are selling cars off at a massive lost, whilst being charged for cars they dont want and cant sell.
"For every Ferrari customer in the world, well produce one less car" . Thats why Ferrari is worth so much, despite having by far the biggest development costs out of the big 4 supercars companies, as they dont have the 1 engine 1 chassis philosophy of Mclaren, (Now they have 2 chassis and 2 engines!!)they dont have 600 cheaper versions of the 911, a saloon and 4 SUVs to sell like Porche, and they havent spent the last 2 decades drawing a cow on a Audi like Lamborghini
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@jammaschan The 911 is one car tho. The rest of Porsche is fine. But Mclaren, the whole range feels like this. Same carbon tub, same v8, and very similar styling, so why is this one 4 times the price?
Add to that that Mclaren change their models in what seems half the time of Ferrari or Lambo, and the extremley top heavy nature of the releases (Theyre calling this the P1 succesor, but since then weve had the Senna, the speedtail, and about half a dozen others).
They oversaturate their own brand, with constant tiny evolutions that dont necesitate a whole new car. Like, why the 750s? Why couldnt it have just been a 720s evo, or even just a facelift with slightly better performance. Theres nothing wrong with that, as the R35 GTR has shown, having been on the market for nearly 20 years.
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@jammaschan I understand the way it works. It only works in a vaccume if you ignore the rest of the range at the time, plus doesnt make any sense. The rest of the sports family is 5 ~~, why do 600, which is what the super series was using at the time.
The 765 is a modified 720. The full replacement should have a higher number because it is a newer model and released later, like how it went 650>675>720.
The LT designation is what shows it is a performance model, much like whatever italian suffix Ferrari decide to use, not the bigness of the number.
Its not like they have styling cues to differnciate either, they all look near identical.
You cant launch 3 identical looking cars so close together with such a confusing naming convention.
SEE SEE. Even you dont know what the f is going on.
Mclaren is split into 4 different series, Sport, GT, Super and Ultimate.
It should be 3, but the GT is such a little freak it gets its own series, the GT series, and a completely different naming convention.
The GT has more power thant the 570s, but its slower because its heavier, whilst eing the size of the super series car. It looks differnt (in a bad way).
Its just this freak that no one liked, asked for or bought and doesnt fit in. It might be the first car that actually has autisim. It looks like it does
The Artura is the replacement for the sport series, the 540/70 and 600LT. (even tho it looks nearly identical, it does have a hybrid v6 so it differntiates itself. Tho it has had to be re-released 3 differnt times)
Then they should name it acordingly, if its a facelift. Like the 991.2 is still a 991, the 720s is a whole new designation, and is being sold as a full on new model, rather than a facelift.
The Senna isnt based on the 650 or 720. The 675 or the 765LT are the track focused versions of those cars, the Senna was its own thing in the ultimate series, and replaced the P1 as Mclarens hypercar. It even got the same GTR treatment as the P1.
The problem with the sabre is that Mclaren treat it like its part of the range, not a one off for a customer. Ferrari makes the same sort of cars, but they are never listed. The Sabre is listed in the ultimate series alongside actual production cars.
The SF90 was stated from the start as not being the replacement for the La Ferrari.
The F80 is, and the SF90 has a replacement coming soon that will fill the gap between the 296 and f80, its just the SF90 launched when there wasnt a range topper to make it clear where it fit in.
The SP cars are in their own class, away from the main cars. Sp1 is one seat open cockpit, the SP2 is 2 seats open, and the SP3 is 2 seats closed cockpit. The P80C was a one off, hense why it isnt in any of the other series.
Roma is the replacement to the portafino.
F8 tributo was a mistake because it did what Mclaren do. It was a celbration of the 458 and 488, it literally disappeared after about 30 seconds, and was just a 488 facelift.
The 296 was the replacement for the 488.
The 12 cillindri is the replacement for the 812.
The GT4c was dicontinued ages ago, and was replaced by the purosangue, as the 4 seat Ferrari.
The thing is, other than the f8 tributo, Ferraris have a lifespan roughly double that of the Mclaren (which is half the trouble, Mclaren is just as complex in 15 years as Ferrari in 30) and different styling, as well as clear names, as well as traditional places in the range, with no autistic GT freak to ruin it.
It goes
Entry Level front engine
California>California T> Portafino>Roma
4 seat v12
612>FF>GT4c> Purosangue
2 seat top level GT v12
550>575>599>F12>812>12 cilindri
Base level mid engine
355>360>430>548>488⌄>296
FU for ruining it F8 tributo
The ibeetweener mid engine (only had one car so far)
SF90> whatever the SF90 replacement will be
The hypercar
288>f40>f50>Enzo(f60)>La Ferrari (f70)> F80
They all have the family they belong to, they all look significantly different, and they dont all release at the same time looking the same, with the same chasiss, same intereor and same engine.
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