Comments by "ChineseKiwi" (@ChineseKiwi) on "Why Toyota And Hyundai Are Wasting Billions On Hydrogen Cars" video.

And established supply chains and infrastructure via that electricity (and in the case of biomethane, established natural gas infrastructure)
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@terradrive you think biomethane isn’t exportable? 😂 Do you even know what biomethane is? Go read up on the IEA’s assessment of both. Hydrogen, except for very niche applications and scenarios, is a total gadgetbahn if you actually are educated on green technologies. See below, the vast majority of population growth will be in those countries. Yeah, that has more of an actual global impact than tiny niche exports of green hydrogen. And the UEA points this out as well. “If you have been to developing countries, you know how much waste there is and the dependence on natural gas for cooking. Biomethane literally solves both issues while using existing natural gas infrastructure thus FAR cheaper. They can’t afford to built out completely new infrastructure.”
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@terradrive one of those niche things is industrial electricity grid storage over current lithium and potentially sodium-ion storage. Green technologies is literally a thing I am interested in and read about often from experts in the industry. Hydrogen is first world privilege in reality. An extra step for no real reason and regardless of how cheap it is to produce, you need to build completely new infrastructure, which you literally pointed out. The biggest cost in electricity bills is literally the infrastructure.
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@terradrive yes, most of Sweden’s heavy trucking fleet runs on biomethane already. And you are ignoring the cost of time and infrastructure over the entire country I.e. privilege. And as stated, developing countries have plenty of waste already and will keep having more that is literally rotting in the streets and landfill. Biomethane produces 90% less methane than it rotting in landfills. Not to mention a few waste electricity generation / biomethane production plants and using existing natural gas infrastructure is ALOT cheaper and faster than building out literally entirely new infrastructure for hydrogen.
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@terradrive it is DELIVERY of the generation bud….. the cost to the end consumer is BOTH. and in a global wider sense, biomethane is far more practical to deploy, particularly in poorer countries who cannot afford to build out new infrastructure and have a lot of waste lying in the streets or landfill rotting and have massive growing populations.
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@terradrive I can mostly ignore it when it isn’t practical to deploy. Yes, mixed grids but it must be economical to deploy out *and that includes delivery of the thing*, not just pure production cost.
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There is. It’s called biomethane, particularly for heavy transportation
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It is in reality an extreme first world privilege and waste. It is using electricity to produce hydrogen to then convert back to electricity. It is a joke in most places, particularly vs biomethane, which is gas produced from agricultural waste, household waste and construction waste, and can use existing natural gas infrastructure. Not to mention biomethane is lighter, solves the “fuel to carry fuel” issue of heavy transportation, and literally is not as dangerous to store and produce as hydrogen. If you have been to developing countries, you know how much waste there is and the dependence on natural gas for cooking. Biomethane literally solves both issues while using existing natural gas infrastructure thus FAR cheaper. They can’t afford to built out completely new infrastructure.
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That is now how it works….
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It isn’t vs biomethane. It is in reality an extreme first world privilege and waste. It is using electricity to produce hydrogen to then convert back to electricity. It is a joke in most places, particularly vs biomethane, which is gas produced from agricultural waste, household waste and construction waste, and can use existing natural gas infrastructure. Not to mention biomethane is lighter, solves the “fuel to carry fuel” issue of heavy transportation, and literally is not as dangerous to store and produce as hydrogen. If you have been to developing countries, you know how much waste there is and the dependence on natural gas for cooking. Biomethane literally solves both issues while using existing natural gas infrastructure thus FAR cheaper. They can’t afford to built out completely new infrastructure.
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Cars don’t have this ‘fuel to carry fuel’ problem as much and the existing electricity infrastructure is already there.
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It is in reality an extreme first world privilege and waste. It is using electricity to produce hydrogen to then convert back to electricity. It is a joke in most places, particularly vs biomethane, which is gas produced from agricultural waste, household waste and construction waste, and can use existing natural gas infrastructure. Not to mention biomethane is lighter, solves the “fuel to carry fuel” issue of heavy transportation, and literally is not as dangerous to store and produce as hydrogen. If you have been to developing countries, you know how much waste there is and the dependence on natural gas for cooking. Biomethane literally solves both issues while using existing natural gas infrastructure thus FAR cheaper. They can’t afford to built out completely new infrastructure.
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@terradrive see above. Mixed **economical to deploy and deliver over other options in a timely matter** grids. Other options are just far far more practical and faster and cheaper to deploy in 99% of scenarios. As stated, in niche cases it could be viable, e.g. in places where there is geothermal activity, but it isn’t for most, particularly in poorer countries who can’t afford, both time and money wise, to build out new infrastructure over using existing infrastructure. And definitely not for transport over your standard battery based for lighter vehicles and biomethane for heavy transport.
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@terradrive if you don’t understand the bigger picture of poorer countries being able to green transition as soon and as cheaply as possible…. Building out the Hydrogen infrastructure would take too long and cost far too much vs multiple other options
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@machintrucGaming biogas is not the same as biomethane.
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