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Mr Laughland, you cannot pretend that Brexit was not a protest vote against the British political class. In any case, by your own admission, people who voted to leave the EU did so for very different reasons. For instance, the majority of Commonwealth voters from India and Pakistan - i.e. foreign citizens - voted to leave the EU knowing it would facilitate the immigration of people from their own communities. Some misinformed indigenous British voters backed Brexit as they were conned into thinking it would reduce immigration drastically whereas all it did was to liberalise immigration from the whole world into the UK. And some others backed Brexit to spite the political class.
There was no clear long-term post-Brexit plan prior to the referendum. It was a collection of very simple, even contradictory, slogans for the masses - ' Taking back control ('sovrinity innit') vs 'Global Britain'. Oh, so which one is it? The truth is that the British political class on both sides of the Brexit argument truly despises the British public. The plan was always that of 'Global Britain': giving the country away to foreign hostile interests for a quick buck. Charlatans like Farage and Rees Mogg had covert personal financial interests in backing Brexit. The sort of people who preach disaster capitalism. How can one pretend to act in the interest of national sovereignty while letting China penetrate UK domestic markets so easily. Why is the UK government giving money away to the French to 'stop the boats' but without changing its domestic policies to stop making the UK such an attractive destination for these illegal chancers?
Mr Laughland, if you really are one of the intellectual masterminds behind Brexit, you should feel ashamed of what you've done to Britain. I'd like to think you didn't think things through... because if you did, it means you've always held Britain in utter contempt.
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I started reading your long post and followed through until the end. I think you are mistaken in many ways. Firstly, you seem to consider Jews as an ethnic monolith separate from Whites, with separate interests that go against the majority White population. Please be informed that Judaism is strongly intertwined with Christianity, and both are at the origins of Western culture. There was a time in Europe and the wider Roman Empire when Jews and Christians were indistinguishable. Only the powerful warlords, and the popery, decided to draw the battle lines between the two creeds, mainly because of a little fellow by the name of JC, as a way to keep.the populace under control and to conveniently scapegoat a whole group in case their power was being challenged. Please also be informed that there were many conversions of Jews to Christianity in the Iberian Pensinsula as well as in the rest of Europe. So, many Jews intermarried over centuries and centuries. The Jews you describe today would mostly consider themselves as liberal and secular, some wouldn't even see themselves as Jewish (but who is a Jew is often in the eyes of the beholder...). You seem to have more of a problem with liberal political stances, but this is not the preserve of Jews, and there is zero evidence that they are using liberal stances as a ploy and as a plot against the interests of the 'White majority population', despite what conspiracy theorists want you to believe. I think that liberalism is flawed in many ways, but it isn't used malevolently by Jews as an organised ethno-political monolith. Liberalism is 'Christian virtues gone mad', to quote G.K Chesterton. Virtues of compassion and tolerance. So-called liberal virtues are also much more prevalent among women than men. The US defends Israel because it upholds Western values, it is the only democracy in the Middle East, and it has a legal right to exist, while being surrounded by countries that want its annihilation. Lastly, I consider 'antisemitism' to be a misnomer, it shouldn't be used, it sounds like a tribute to late 19th century German nationalists and pseudo-scientists...
You might want to watch this speech by Rabbi Sacks, extremely interesting: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uwN1WuDwIf0&pp=ygUTcmFiYmkgc2Fja3Mgc3BlZWNoIA%3D%3D
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Zemmour fait le bon constat mais il devrait arreter avec cette idee d'assimilation a la francaise: forcer les gens a abandonner leur heritage culturel et historique pour epouser artficiellement celui des francais. La plupart des gens refuseront cela en toute logique, seule une infine minorite, comme lui meme, auront une telle attirance. Car c'est precisement de la que proviennent les problemes: la pretention universelle de la culture francaise, l'etat qui remplace la nation et le peuple, l'idee que la France c'est aussi bien Mayotte que Lille. Non, ca ne marche pas comme ca, une nation et son peuple sont quelque chose d'exclusif. A l'assimilation, il faut preferer l'heritage et la descendance, et arreter avec l'immigration. Sans completement rejeter le nationalisme dit civique, il faudra bien faire un peu de nationalisme dit ethnique.
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To Reform and Mr Habib: you really need to snap out of your brexit cult and should stop gaslighting people about brexit. It was always a pointless and counter productive project; now we see it with UK having the highest inflation of all G20 countries and a record level of third world immigration.
You also contradict yourself on several points:
1. Scaling back the state yet with a government controlling immigration, how does that work out?
2. Arguing about defending sovereignty yet being all about global free trade, massively contradictory.
3. Lastly, arguing that brexit is pro UK when we know very well it is causing its breakup and reviving old tensions in Northern Ireland.
You are constantly banging on about the EU when it's clearly not an issue for ordinary people on the right whose main concerns are demographic replacement and the erasure of British culture. You fail to read the room, you prefer to gaslight with facile slogans (for imbeciles). Glad that guy pulled you up on the fact product standards are needed for international trade, that made you backtrack pretty quickly!
Another interesting point,Mr Habib, by your own admission you didn't want to join a political party but you joined Reform because Richard Tice convinced you in the end. Something's not quite right here. Surely, if you cared so much about the future of the UK, you would have no hesitation to engage in a political party...
Anyway, i thought the SDP were much better, no slogans, no gaslighting, and genuine care for the future of the UK.
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@LondGWils I take your points on board. However, the reconstruction of Britain was not spearheaded by Commonwealth immigrants. In fact, Britain never fully recovered its position after 1945, partly because the USA decided to prioritise the reconstruction of Germany with the Marshall Plan. There are enough studies showing that non-European immigration is a net cost to the UK economy, whereas European/Western immigration is a net benefit. Costs can also be of a societal nature, linked to criminality and loss of social cohesion: societal issues with a direct link to immigration, such as grooming gangs and Islamic terrorism are a net cost to British society. Recent events have proved that Islam represents a peril to the safety of British citizens and to the cultural and historic continuity of Britain. The British political establishment has been for decades intimidated into adopting so called 'progressive' ideals, such as multiculturalism, by very active organisations on the left, and by other so called allies of the left such as the Muslim Brotherhood. This has in more recent times degenerated into Wokeism, which has pervaded every single institution of the UK, from the police to schools. You are welcome.
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@LondGWils in your first post, you implied that, on balance, the benefits of mass migration from the Commonwealth to the UK as part of the reconstruction effort outweigh the societal tensions resulting from it. I am not sure how you would quantify these benefits precisely. That's why I replied that I don't think it was Commonwealth immigrants who spearheaded the reconstruction of Britain, because I don't see any noticeable contributions other than decent workers getting paid a salary to do some manual labour. But then, how is that any different from hardworking British people who contributed to the development of Britain over centuries? You also omit the fact that Afro-Caribbean people who came on Windrush had not been invited by the British government. They came to the UK because there was no work in Jamaica, Barbados, etc.
There is nothing irrational in wanting to control or drastically reduce immigration from certain parts of the world where cultural norms and beliefs are far-removed from, and even antithetical to those of Great Britain. This, for instance, is clearly the case with Islam with public opinion surveys consistently showing a clear gap between the views of Muslims and non-Muslims on themes such as gender equality, blasphemy, gay rights, with the former group expressing much more frequently retrograde or extreme views than the majority British population. The parallel you attempted to draw with Irish immigration of yesteryear becomes irrelevant in this context.
By importing entire communities from faraway with such different belief systems and adversarial views, chances are that criminality will be on the rise, because what may be regarded as a breach of the law here will be seen as perfectly normal behaviour back home. That is not saying that every single individual from said community will become a criminal. I hope you understand the difference. No country needs to run the risk of importing more criminality.
There are several studies showing that non-European immigration is a net cost to European/Western societies: UK Migration Observatory-UCL, 2016; Danish Ministry of Finance, 2021; University of Amsterdam 2023.
You mention that European immigration to other parts of the world is a form of neo-colonialism. I'm sorry, but this is purely based on perception. And by whom, precisely? So, if you come up with such an argument, you'd better have facts to support it. Otherwise, it puts you in a difficult position to argue against people who describe non-European migration to Europe/the West as a hostile invasion. I doubt that Brits living on the Costa del Sol, wanting to eat fish and chips and not bothering to learn the lingo, are a national security threat or routinely break the law. Most of them are retirees anyway.
Concepts such as multiculturalism and wokeism are too vague only for people who refuse to acknowledge or who are ignorant of the challenges posed by mass immigration from cultural groups that share very different values to those of the West such as individual freedom and equality before the law. Multiculturalism is a form of cultural relativism where the host culture can self-efface for the benefit of other supposedly equal cultures: new arrivals can just live and act like they did back home and we will surely all get on (how nice). Wokeism is multiculturalism on steroids as it goes the extra mile to argue that Western culture is oppressive and evil and needs to be done away with.
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@Remoaners RKnts thanks for listing them. For me banning the exports of live animals is certainly a major benefit. But how does free movement of labour create massive under employment? And wouldn't removing the cap on immigration from the rest of the world be detrimental to the UK Labour Market anyway by depressing wages? I also thought the taking back of fishing waters complicated British exports of fish to the EU due to paperwork and red tape. The CAP has already been cut down massively, UK farmers also benefitted. On the other hand, EU agriculture and food safety standards are the highest in the world, so this does come at a price. I hope the UK farming industry keeps them and we refuse to be swamped with GMOs, hormone grown beef and chlorine chicken imports. Otherwise, what we paid to Brussels we largely got it back through the EU structural and social funds, total access to EU services markets, cooperation programmes in science and education, hassle free movement throughout the EU. The perks also applied to UK citizens, as I said earlier. As for trade deals, we can't say we still have an industry so... for agricultural goods and services, best to be in the single market.
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Good work, ncf, hoping that politicians will take note of your manifesto, as I doubt the media will. Going back to my earlier comment, the brainwashing of schoolchildren is mostly linked to a malaise in American society. For its own sanity, Britain should start ignoring what goes on across the pond. Afro-American concepts such as unconscious bias and white privilege - which are inextricably related - feed this malaise. Afro-American activists have been able to theorise their own biases to accuse American society of having those biases against them. We know that negative sentiments among 'Blacks' towards 'whites' would not fall under the 'unconscious bias' category, rather they would be justified by the existence of 'white privilege' and other weird concepts like 'structural racism'. In other words, it will never be enough for these Afro-American activists ('heads I win, tails you lose'). These concepts say much about them than they do about American or Western societies, for that matter. Secondly, it's disturbing that according to statistics, white British boys fare less well in school than most ethnic minorites. In my opinion, this epitomises a country that doesn't like itself. Since the 1950s, the British ruling classes have been feeding the 'lower classes' handouts and sub-standard education all the while insulting their intelligence via the mainstream media, Theodore Dalrymple's book 'Life at the bottom', describes very well this state of affairs. His book came out more than 20 years ago.
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@ezioauditore3128 You admire him too much, he's like a guru to you. Whatever I tell you, you will deny. But I am true to my word. Lies: he said prior to the referendum that Turkey was on the brink of joining the EU, that Britain could not control the influx of people from the EU, that an EU army was forming. He spent his time demonising the EU whereas it's nothing, a husk. The other member countries don't care so much about the EU, they tell the EU to do one and it's fine, they know that leaving the single biggest trading bloc in the world is economic self harm (trading freely with neighbours, you know...) Farage and his hardline tory mates wanted the UK to leave before EU tax evasion laws came into force. Obfuscation: Farage presenting blm as marxist whereas it's actually black nationalism/supremacism in disguise. He's done a great disservice to his followers who protest the knee arguing it's for Marxists, most of them being incapable of explaining what Marxism is when confronted by lefties... The idiot Farage is now deliberately giving more ammo to the lefties by bringing up ww2 in England's upcoming game against Germany after saying 'keep politics out of football'. The guy is playing the villain, gaslighting and distorting people's views for the fun of it. He also smeared Anne Marie Waters as a fascist when she was running for ukip leadership because she was too outspoken against islamisation for his liking. The list is long. He's definitely not my idol.
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