Comments by "Voryn Rosethorn" (@vorynrosethorn903) on "KaiserBauch"
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A. It doesn't seem to be happening, the opposite in fact.
B. At least one cause is it being pushed as deliberate policy in order to divide the society and import a cheap workforce, so no.
C. This is not a plague, it's nearly or more damaging over the long term but it's not like shortage of labour is going to be an actual problem (see above), likewise it is very apparent that many traps are in place to gather up the wealth as the more prosperous generations leave us, one is inheritance tax but basically every other component of western economies is structured around asset stripping the generational wealth the boomers still hold.
I predict the intention is serfdom, not anything positive, and without a popular revolt led by well organised and coordinated rebel elite, not to mention well funded, then they will get what they want because humans are compliant with power when isolated from support networks, almost certainly a part of the ongoing attacks on any form of social capital that is not filtered through state and corporate institutions.
We are by no means in a hopeless predicament, but unless persistent, widespread and radical action is taken we will have one of our own making.
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There is actually more, but it is suppressed better and has much less political expression. The grooming gangs are a massive issue and much of the working class personally know victims, likewise many of the imported ethnic groups are irreconcilable. If liberally applied central repression by the courts and police lets up for a second or the government gives and impression of weakness a lot of groups will kick off, and unlike in France it will go all the way. The hatred is tangible and real, the community behind the grooming while well organised has made intractable enemies of every group other than the urban liberals, when central authority starts waining (which it will, it has burnt all legitimacy, justification, good will and loyalty, and is morally moribund and financially insolvent) then matters will likely be shifted into military organisation, alliance structures and tribal loyalties. On a wider level the solutions looked at by young people basically split, women wanting bureaucratic oligarchy and men wanting a Franco, I have to doubt the viability of either given the severe lack of competence within our institutions.
Whatever happens however there will be severe ethnic conflict. By holding the lid on a boiling pot all the political class is doing is guaranteeing an explosion of extreme resentment, grievance and vendetta.
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The whole family type things is largely rubbish. Britain historically had many types, but the nobility kept the Norman tradition of oldest son gets all, so did most merchants (with the younger sons becoming employed by the company or setting up offshoots under the main family, part of my own family became rich using this very east Asian tactic), farmers also (specifically in England and Wales, in Scotland it was more communal and in Ireland it was split between sons by the Irish and was the English way with the English and scots). Equally our political developments are not natural, the rights were a clever undermining of noble demands for privileges by universalising them, medieval England was extremely centralised and the aim of the kings was total control through the Anglican church, the non-conformists are at the root of the failure and of the liberal political tradition. We had Filmer, without the glorious revolution and the disempowering of the king we would have become our own strain of absolutist, and that remained a strong strain of toryism for much of it's early history. The idea that we are innately liberal was made up by whig historians and held to by people with no imagination, even now liberal democracy is not a popular system among the population, it is the incumbent one.
Equally the English as a people are not even slightly liberal, they are ridiculously conservative, the liberal elite idolize France and find their own people boorish and uncultured. Much of the traditional elite are even less liberal, thus they were destroyed by inheritance tax. The English respect the past, tradition, authority, responsibility and breeding, the lower stadia of society is not ambitious and they like things being in their place, a lack of responsibility or care bothers them, as does unsuitable people leading, they hold it as natural for a noble to lead, but hate managers and people who don't acknowledge their own place. The destruction of jobs and pettiness towards the working class has caused massive damage, the fact is that such behaviour is at odds with the acceptable functioning of things, they are fine being ruled over, but they want respect, they want care and they want a ruling class who have those in their blood, they don't like being treated with derision by some upjumped member of the middle class, and they don't like airs, so pretending to be French or above the local concerns grates like nobody's business. The current ruling class is not just hated, it is seen as illegitimate, among the younger generation this is even more extreme, with many openly hoping for a Franco.
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Yes, many of these classes were themselves ethnic in origin, in a sense this is even taken into right to rule, almost all British nobility claim Norman ancestry, most have more recent (by that I mean medieval or early modern, most of the actual new ones have clear family trees so aren't able to make it up as much, that said the merchant family I was talking about claimed to have broken into Charles the First's prison and been personally conferred nobility for offering to break him out, supposedly the evidence was eaten by mice and the family were whig Methodists who were burnt in effigy for supporting the America revolution, the likelihood is faintly ridiculous in other words, there actual place in the imperial hierarchy was based on being a very prominent business family in the colonies). The loyalties were also religious, non-conformists, Catholics and Anglicans all have very different political and social sympathies. On top of this personal characteristics passed down through family lines, certainly liberteanism can be traced through family trees very easily, those who acted a certain way it one generation were often related to those who did so in another.
In other words nations and countries are complicated things, they aren't run on a single software but off a confluence of groups, people's and idea's. This is why liberal reform in Russia never went the same as it did in England and never went how it was meant to at all.
Personally one of the things I heavily dislike about the revival of late 19th century and early 20th century progressives is that racial science is very largely bunk, quite apart from the degree of relevance they very often are talking utter nonsense when trying to define these groups. It's like astrology for men.
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To understand the actual value of these things one should consider Poland and Russia, Poland had a powerful nobility who exercised considerable freedom and power, Russia had the same but was also autocratic and religious. The Polish nobility failed to guard the interests of the nation, and lost everything as the price of their freedom, Russia was in many respects a miserable country, but there tenacity, high birth rate, and willingness to sacrifice meant that they became dominant.
The current elite are not economically very productive, they are basically selling of the nation bit by bit in return for the industrial production of the outwardly poorer nations. They are selling the family silver in order to live the high life for a single generation. They also have no higher loyalties and few children. They are the dead walking.
The populace has been debauched and is not in a good state at all, they have no real leadership and follow on in the mistakes of their betters. But they can feel the knife in their back even they can't form a proper vanguard. They are angry.
The future is for young people willing to form a new elite and lead a revival, as part of this is the total rejection of enlightenment liberalism and loyalty to God and people. Such a vanguard will in a sense be both reactionary and revolutionary. It is clear that this will come from non-university educated young men, and that they shall be defined by a willingness to use force. Questions like what a certain demographic wants are a question of democracy, something which is increasingly not a moral question at all, but merely one of a few vestiges of legitimacy. You ask what will happen with college educated women, they will either become married mothers or else have the social safety net cut from beneath them.
We are looking either at the death of a civilisation and people, or else at the death of liberalism and liberal democracy. There is not solution to fix the status quo, the status quo is itself the Gordian knot, and problem such that it has decided on its own solution, past that it is an issue of power and resolve.
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Women are not to be taken very seriously at all, they usually don't know the first thing of what they are talking about, men stand by causes, women use them against other women, either to status signal, sabotage or force uniformity, if you treat them like serious people they will think less of you. The trick is to have their best intentions for them, that is you forward their actual interests (feeling secure, having lots of babies and being able to one up other women) on their behalf, all the ideological stuff would be windowdressing if not given hard power by the legal system and the resentful advice of other women.
People who demand respect are pathetic, and should be treated as such, otherwise they are emboldened.
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@VR36030 The free democratic method is mass importation, if the current regime isn't overturned by the native population it will be once the new population take over, our options are basically an end to liberalism, or a Islamisation of Europe happening under the logic of keeping the pensions paid up.
terrifying and unnatural than the past. The 20th century was way worse than anything that happened in medieval Europe short of the Mongols (which only the Hungarians, Poles and Russians really had to deal with). But medieval times weren't really authoritarian, centralised power wasn't that strong, they ran on very strong social institutions. Many different communities lived in relative peace, bound only by faith and oaths of loyalty (under nationalism the deportation or forced integration minority groups was necessary as the idea of popular sovereignty made them potential nodes of power). A state education system is way more authoritarian on it's own than anything they had, it also meant that the values and skills passed down to children were subject to evolutionary logic, today we manage to retain utterly bizarre values only by the indoctrination of the youth into a dominant system of belief, one which is probably behind the fertility problems.
abortion are banned and the parties invested in them are purged from the elite class then most of these issue will have nowhere to go but resolution, the majority of the population as ever will form their sense of morality around the law and tell themselves that they always supported what they are compelled to do.
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@deborafernandes1026 I mean, it's the basis of your entire biology and psychology and basically your entire function on a society wide level, this both makes women potentially more valuable than men as mothers but means that women who won't become mothers are just defective men, at least after feminism has twisted them into a parody of toxic male stereotypes. The calling of men is to be fathers and women to be mothers, without that you are just a human resource on a spreadsheet somewhere. People call have higher callings in monastic life but frankly the vast majority of singles in our society are just debased savages responding to stimuli and blindly following predatory social conventions.
The fact is that the Amish will exist in 1000 years, the modern man will have trouble with ten and be extinct in 100. There is a reason that all successful societies repressed the rights of women, first off innate rights are made up nonsense and no one has them, secondly they didn't have to because women are pathologically socially conformist and largely are the enforcing body of social expectations, the problem is that this is related to prestige and the prestigious thing for women in current society is eat her children and become a wage slave for a soulless corporation enforcing the standards of evil on a deeply corrupt society. I large part however telling them that is pointless as unless they are autistic they will only move with prestige and social affirmation, thus it is up to men to build systems and women to beautify and preserve them in order to gatekeep other women. Amish and Muslim women don't care about your standards as they are low prestige within their social context, they can safely look down on you as a skank just as you look down on them as oppressed, and what can you say, they at least have a happy family and are respected by the men in their life, you aren't even respected by the men in your own society, and as a woman you likely know how much the respect of women outside your specific clique of long-time friends is worth.
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About the Asians you are wrong, there is considerable intermixing, some is native women converting, but a great deal is unwilling, the grooming gangs are massive and have affected the lives of 100'000's of women and girls at least.
The Pakistani community is one of the most powerful within our highly corrupt and disgusting political system, that said they also hold a precarious position, literally every other group outside of the elite holds overwhelming enmity towards them, if things broke down they would be the first targets of anger not only by the British but the Black, Indian and Sikh communities, they are a protected class and have abused that protection to predate on everyone else. Gypsies are practically loved in comparison.
Either this nation will be totally destroyed or it's elite will, there is no compromise, the only legitimacy at this point is in pure power, the ruling class have burnt up all good will and thrown patience on with it. This whole country is like a boiling pot with the lid on, it doesn't look nearly as volatile as it is. Ultimately people will take the form of resistance open to them, but they will remain implacable enemies of those who got us here.
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I would not trust the UK state media apparatus at all, we have know for some time that intelligence services have extensive planning on place to suppress discontent from the population. In many regards we are simply living in a Soviet style state, even more so now that we have show trials to go with the psychological operations.
The whole mosque thing it seems like was a media narrative, the protest was on a road near where the attack happened and there happened to be a mosque there, the protests themselves were largely unplanned and were drummed up on Facebook and Instagram rather than Twitter, the sort of people who went aren't the sort to have much cared about narrative control or disinformation. As a Brit I can say this was utterly predictable, even if other groups cause trouble they mostly keep it to themselves, there is one group that has made themselves enemies of practically every other, and the working class has been dealing with their grooming gangs for decades now.
The media lie more easily than they breathe, it is their entire purpose, all the rest is merely to gain trust for the lying. I wouldn't believe anything from them at all, if there were photographs they were almost certainly staged, if things actually happened they won't have reported on it. They are pure propaganda outfits, all of them.
Every other institution is rotten to the core, the police are a partisan force, they side with some communities and actively facilitate them in victimising others. The legal system is an insult to justice. The public and private sectors are an incestuous grouping of corporate monoliths animated by pension funds and controlled by a managerial elite who are totally disconnected from responsibilities and standards. The political sphere is almost a mockery of the ideals of governance, they are corrupt, incompetent, arrogant, foolish and malicious, they have no virtues and are generally too insignificant as people to embody any great sins, they are merely children in charge of a vast apparatus of power, who don't understand it, nor do they try, they are content to play king on the castle while the country burns. There predecessors destroyed every institution and social norm sacred to the nation and these lot are just content to let anything left slip into the sea, along with our future and existence as a people.
The only solution is revolution, the rotting edifices must be swept away and clear space created for the foundations of a civilisation to be relaid on whatever remains. There are so many problems that solutions are easy, everywhere you turn there are problems that can be fixed if only they would be seen to, but there are deeper problems as well, all the institutions must be destroyed, there is no saving what they have become, and thus a generation of men able to built are needed to see to new structures being built up. Our other option is to go out of history, to through inaction see our people go extinct and our children destroyed. I speak for many when I say I would rather have the hardships of now than have my children face it, as that is the duty of parents.
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