Comments by "Voryn Rosethorn" (@vorynrosethorn903) on "Andrewism" channel.

Richest region compared to what, the mainland had great empires, Europe, India and China were all stunningly wealthy in comparison. If there was an injustice it wasn't relating to wealth but rather that the natives would never live to today to enjoy wealth of any kind with the modern inhabitants being composed of the colonists and their imported labour.
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@johnbuffaloiam9741 I’m sure you can do a more convincing job of trolling than this.
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@nalahhuru If anything I was making a dig at perspectives that view GDP size alone as the only measure of prosperity.
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@samovarsa2640 The thing is that it was never the richest region historically and if we are going off net wealth alone then it was richest when it was being exploited for the sugar trade and that was during what op himself would probably consider the worse time in its history because of the brutality involved and the fact that the wealth went to the owners of the plantations many of whom didn’t even live in the Caribbean. They probably were more sophisticated than the colonists bothered to note but the native people were hardly an economic power given what much of the rest of the world was like, though there is always the possibility that they had trade ties to the mainland and it would make sense if they did, its just an odd claim is all.
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@millykendrill5301 Christianity is a religion not an ethnic based value system, if you bump into any white nationalists you will quickly realise that they tend to have an overwhelming hatred for Christianity as it is not a genocidial religion and it happened to replace the pagan cults that such people tend to larp as. If you mean that european civilisation is based on foundations of Christian belief for moral values, definitions and understandings of reality then yes that is the case, if you are talking Imperialism then the legacy of roman and colonial projects within europe prior to the coming about of nationism also play a part, the English in particular have a lot they owe to the normans in that regard. But such imperial ambitions are hardly unique to the Christian world, Islam has a long history of being the state ideology of empires as does confucianism in the east, if you want a religion that doesn’t really work with centralised imperial states then hinduism is probably the closeted thing to it but even India has had great empires, its just that the beliefs of the people didn’t tend to be great at reinforcing and upholding their power. The christian focus on the moral responsibility of the individual is also very much on display in anti-imperialism, the whole of western ideology is a bit odd considering how very Christian it is despite the rejection of the religion, and even more so considering that Christianity itself is one of the most abnormal religions as it hasn’t followed the self-interested interpretation of theology in quite the same way as most religions (and indeed ideologies) tend to where it is decided that the religion itself is the most important segment of social meaning (typically by the ones who define that meaning) and therefore the most privileged place in society is owed to the priest caste. One of the things this resulted in was the belief in an objective reality separate from claims of spiritual powers by clergy and based on rules put in place by god rather than subject to his whims, I believe the logic was something like it wouldn’t be a miracle if it didn’t break absolute and unbending rules of nature, which is funny considering that a considerably more scientific argument about atoms is what lead islam down the opposite path (all the atoms are continually recreated by god meaning that reality is ultimately arbitrary and spiritual learning is the only worthwhile path).
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@millykendrill5301 I don’t even know how to respond to you as your world view is clearly not located in reality, honestly you sound like a strawman that someone would create to mock your perspective. Usually I might disagree with someone but would at least be able to communicate with them based off common understandings and acknowledgements. It clear that their is no way I could ever convince you because you are so possessed by ideology that what you think is a matter of quasi religious belief rather than set in your interpretation of facts and the world around you.
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Technically England and that was mostly just that the Normans liked money as much as they liked messing with the existing Anglo-Saxon structures. Britain however was the place that basically strongarmed most of the rest of the world into ending it or joining the anti-slavery club for moral points and opportunities to justifiably mess in the domestic policies of 3rd world nations. Doing so as often to their detriment (not backing up the confederates and thereby weakening the US, also it often caused tensions with local elites) as to their benefit (a we get to engage in open imperialism with full public support card, also allowed them to take over a few places when they were stupid enough to say no to the gunboats about ending the practice).
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@kimwarburton8490 You can chose were you work, what you work in and how you work but unless you live in a lax welfare state or have a genuine reason you largely can chose not to work, or rather you can but most people wouldn’t consider it worth it given the costs. Even self employment is still work, just with yourself as the boss and the self sufficient lifestyle does not free you from obligations, it just puts their management into your hands. I’m not entirely sure what you mean by the capitalist system as everyone seems to have their own definition of which means that people can use the same words to make valid criticism or to attack basic economic principals with no idea that they are basically saying we should try square wheels because the round ones don’t go fast enough. I still bump into people who think barter is better than currency. My point wasn’t really materialist but nevermind, if I get into different concepts of freedom I’ll never shut up.
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Sounds a lot like globalism.
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@johnbuffaloiam9741 Aren’t you laying on the bait a bit thick.
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@AriaSencha I got recommended a video in a part of youtube I’m not usually in by the youtube algorithm and decided to add in some dissenting ideas. The particular echo chamber this is in is shown by the fact you think what I said was in any way fascistic, in my experience their talking points are mostly just going on about the freemasons living in their drains, thinking that a certain group are a telepathic hive mind who control everything in existence and seeing patterns in the tiles of their bathroom which will have great consequences for mankind, in short they are off their meds. That doesn’t however mean that I have much time for the people seem to think that those people are hiding underneath every dust cover, behind the face of every individual of influence who doesn’t utter proscribed platitudes on command and in the form of myself it seems.
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@shriekinambassador5042 That’s called history, we inherit our problems from our predecessors.
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@cjclark2002 The issues you are most likely referencing are the ones our decedents will inherit from the americans, namely a racial pathology, personally I shall emigrate so that I won’t have to deal with that nonsense and I hope in never gets imported to where I move as identitian politics is cursed. If you are talking ideology then I agree that it is frustrating how unoriginal the ideas people have seem to be, I think it likely that they believe in wig history and that we are naturally smarter than those before has led to us falling into the same potholes every generation for the last two hundred years.
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Would the bet be North-West or South-West.
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@samovarsa2640 My interpretation wasn’t that the OP wasn’t talking about cultural richness though I’d probably disagree with that as well. The caribbean was an extractive enterprise my point that the wealth didn’t end up in the hands of those bound to the plantations was that whatever wealth was generated was used to prop up the livelihoods of men who were likely pursuing leisure or politics in their own country. Colonisation wiped out the native population and meant the slavery, indentured servitude and deaths of countless others for the sake of ruining the dental health of generations of Europeans, it was also an excellent source of revenues for european states to spend on trying to kill each other.
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@VentureHolly The British people aren’t going to support reparations whether you hate us or not. The government on the other hand are idiots who pay no attention to the interests and opinions of the populous so they are probably your best bet. If labour ever get in again you could probably scam them out of Wales or Cornwall.
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@sean668 I literally said it was used as a justification for further colonialism. But people who act like they didn’t at least live up to the promise of ruining the livelihood of slavetraders across the world seem like the ones claiming the moral highground considering they lack the commitment to bring any substantial positive changes to the world and seem instead committed to pile up the mud of others misdeeds as though they can stand atop it pretend to be taller than their achievements. I don’t think I’ve met anyone as committed to do what is necessary to scrub away evil as the victorians, but the world today is full to the brim with people with similar sins.
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I believe some chap said something about power and absolute power.
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@RageTyrannosaurus Thats what drink does, I personally don’t think its a concrete rule but there is enough evidence from history that man can see moral decline as well as growth and power and freedom from social or legal consequences are great temptations towards it, indeed even that view is somewhat naive given how quickly soldiers have historically fallen into depravity when separated from their communities, given power over civilians and without fierce enough discipline from the institution they become a part of.
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How many regions have been left underdeveloped by their own governments, or even been left underdeveloped by decades of neglect of the infrastructure left by the former colonial regime. I suppose the only difference is that you can't pay yourself reparations, or perhaps I should clarity that you shouldn't as you can't put anything past some nations leadership's.
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No one will ever be free, the best you can do is pick something to serve least you become a slave to your own particular vice.
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@gc.96 Out of the frying pan into the fire.
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That is just because you have never been faced with the intrinsic savagery of man.
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