Comments by "Voryn Rosethorn" (@vorynrosethorn903) on "Why Japan's Women Hesitate to Give Birth | Birthrate Crisis (ep.5)" video.

  1. Pressuring them is exactly how you get through to women as they respond far more to social incentives than logic. I mean have you ever met a woman, it's pretty clear that they just parrot things they've heard (from TV in particular, you often hear appeals to what the neighbours will think when you know them and what they actually think), especially the one's young enough to actually make a change.
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  2.  @MakeSureYouCleanUp  Nor do you really, all this liberalism crap is how we got into this situation in the first place. If people don't acknowledge reality then they will merely be replaced. The main issue is the transition back to a traditional society, a widespread social collapse in nuclear armed countries would not be pretty. If you let people decide they will go with whatever they are being pressured to do. The origin of the problem was women being propagandised that should become wageslaves and contribute to GDP and short term corporate profits, I'm sure under the exact same circumstances they'll not do exactly the same thing they always have and play prestige games within the current paradigm as it burns to the ground. History is pretty long and one of its lessons is that women are the most conservative sex by far, they enforce social boundaries and like people in general are exceptionally unoriginal. If you have bad incentives then more freedom will just funnel people into them harder. The male equivalent of this are pick up artists, they see a failing system and try to play into it rather than against it. While there is a new feminist movement against all this (they're behind the case against the sexual revolution and many other recent works on related topics from a female perspective) they most certainly to not present moral freedom and lower standards (so more of the same) as a solution and on top of this many of them are autistic and thus think very distinctly from average men or women. While men will probably get on board, a new structure will already have to be in place for most women to.
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  3.  @MakeSureYouCleanUp  Not at all, I was literally pointing out that most just follow social norms pathologically (same goes for men but to a lesser degree as they are both less conformist (evolution sets out men to be more expendable so that it experiment with less of a detrimental impact to the wider group, in the wider course of human history it's fine for men to be reckless as the stupid ones will just die, of course in non-hunter gatherer times it leads to a large underclass of angry young men, and due to the sexual revolution they can't pair up, if I was a women that's the demographic I'd worry about as polygamous societies have a long history of extreme violence and unrest spearheaded by them ) and less tuned into the dissemination vectors like TV. The thing that will get the current paradigm in the long run is that it doesn't work and we will just be outnumbered and replaced by societies with social norms and expectations better suited to successful family formation, procreation and the like. You already see this within western societies, Amish are growing in population at an exponential rate in America and orthodox Jews are an increasing proportion of Israel's population. Basically Traditionalism and patriarchy are in for a major return and due to the decline in Christianity (the primary factor in the historical relaxing of social conditions for women) the expression of it might be fairly grim. There are fairly big male movements opposed to such an eventuality, but as it isn't feminist it can't get women onboard in big enough numbers. Ultimately they'll just have to build a boat and hope that women start jumping on board once they realise that the ship they are on is pretty much sunk. The better option is making the movement comfortable to women, but that would basically be setting up meaningful communities with clear social boundaries and norms in which women find place and pursue social prestige. But that would mean much less freedom and individual determination, the thing you were after.
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  4.  @MakeSureYouCleanUp  A general statement is a general statement. You've heard that the exception proves the rule right. You didn't pick me up on calling men expendable by for treating women as broadly similar, which by definition they are, if they weren't broadly similar that thing wouldn't be a similarity and thus not worth mentioning. This is the top layer of the discussion, most people would try to refute me with whether it was social or biological in cause, instead we ended up talking past each other, I don't refute their are women who are exceptions, I literally called them autistic, who've characteristics wouldn't be of any note were they arbitrary. I don't know how much of an exception to norms you are, I don't know you. We are all unique in a way, but usually less than we think.
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  5.  @MakeSureYouCleanUp  If women don't have children then things aren't exactly going to go on for very long, I'm a historian, I know they only parrot the TV because talking to them quickly tells you that their knowlege of the last decade is warped and once you go further back its almost insane how misinformed they are. As said giving idiots freedom results in idiocy, I'm perfectly happy for them to have freedom once they are put to head in the right direction but frankly the feelings of morons is insignificant compared to the continuation of the human race. Women are the most miserable they've even been, our social problems manifest all around us, the last thing we need is more of the same, we wouldn't be here if it was working.
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  6. Population decline is an inverted pyramid, the decline isn't steady but exponential. This will destroy the welfare state and pensions and a lot of childless old people will either strangle the society to sustain themselves, import their own demographic replacement by an alien and largely hostile people or die of starvation because people look after their own. This is the biggest crisis since the dark ages at least and if things go bad the bronze age collapse.
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  7. Is it reasonable to see your line die out so that you can fill up a room with marvel merchandise. Very clearly value assessments have to shift, or else the people with different one's shall inherit the earth.
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  8.  @Menion98  This is why you are doomed. You are a degenerate materialist, you assume that children must either be alien or a commodity. I don't even know where to start with how moribund your sense of morality is. different
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  9. People equivocating nonsense really doesn't help, modernity and liberalism are the problem, ultimately but playing a rearguard action for the problems we face all you are doing is fighting solutions. Appeals to human freedom are stupid, feel free to die free, we intend to live constrained as we are after all constrained by reality.
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