Comments by "LRRPFco52" (@LRRPFco52) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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I was in 7 different Combat Arms units. I never saw one of my ABs or AGs dump rounds from the ruck, but found several piles in different training areas. These were blanks, not live rounds. Even the blanks weigh so much that you end up with a spine-crushing ruck. When I did my time as an AG, we didn't have any ABs, so I got to carry the combat load in ammo plus tripod, T&E, pintle, Steiner binos, and my packing list. It required my Weapons Squad Leader and Gunner both to lift me up after I had donned my ruck on the ground.
We normally expended all of our live ammo, so I never saw things escalate to Judicial Punishment. My point is that 7.62 NATO is too heavy of a round to carry practically by dismounted Infantry in any significant round count, especially for gun teams and riflemen. Even 5 x 20rd mags of 7.62 NATO is very heavy and bulky for a rifleman to carry. The Army Ordnance Board refused to learn the lessons that had already been learned in The Great War, which drove the development of the .276 Pedersen, and continued to insist on a .30 caliber, high pressure cartridge with over 40gr of case volume. This is a recipe for reduced combat endurance for any dismounted unit trying to prosecute the fight and maneuver.
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@jtplays7411 Finnish is 100% phonetic. That’s your only freebie. The rest is a brutal undertaking as an adult.
23 different post-positions rather than any prepositional phrases in English, called astevaihtelut. Then you have to use a vocal harmony to change the objects to conform to the post-positional phrasing.
There are no articles, which is harder for Finns to adjust to English and other languages with them.
Instead of saying, “I’m going to the house.”
Minä mennen kotiin. (Dictionary house is “koti”.)
or “I’m from Helsinki.”
Mina olen Helsingistä.
or “I’m going to Helsinki.”
Minä mennen Helsingiin.
Just when you think you’ve figured out the astevaihtelu and vokaaliharmonia, things change.
Seinäjoki the city's astevaihtelu in one form is Seinaäjoelta if someone is "from there", not Seinäjoistä.
“H"s are all pronounced as well.
16 cases for nouns in the singular, 15 in plural. English-speaker: "What are noun cases?"
6 different verb types with concepts that don’t exist in English.
A Finnish-English dictionary or Finnish-any language dictionary is almost worthless, other than maybe Estonian. The words are not usable in most cases because they haven’t been converted through the astevaihtelu or vokaaliharmonia algorithms. In usage, it means if I give you a newspaper and ask you to translate it with your dictionary, you won’t even be able to get the headline in many instances, let along the first sentence of the first paragraph.
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I've owned many of them, and I had lots of problems with every one.Tried several proven techniques to improve reliability, like throating the breech, different recoil springs, more lube, 230gr ball only, extractor tweaks, still had issues across 4 different pistols, and the failure to go into battery was the most common malfunction with all of them.
After thousands of dollars, I just stuck with modern pistols that actually work out of the box, don't need constant TLC, and haven't looked back.
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Viraqua: It was actually initiated by the USAF soon-to-be Chief of Staff since the Army was no longer procuring spare parts for the M-1 and M-2 carbines that were used by USAF Security Forces and SPs to defend Air Bases. The Army stopped M-1/M-2 Carbine spare parts purchasing after the Korean War, and the USAF didn't want to be manning their posts with Garands or M14s slung on their shoulders.
After the Army Ordnance Board declared the AR15 totally unsuitable for any military use, the USAF Chief of Staff directed the Pentagon to begin type-classification and standardization of the AR15 to become the Air Force's new service rifle. When the Army Ordnance Board received orders to contribute to this process, they were incensed, and began further efforts to sabotage the AR15. Even the sabotaged AR15s out-performed the hand-selected M14s. You can read all about this in great detail in The Black Rifle, Vol I. Excellent book on the technical and drama history behind the AR15.
When Special Forces, SAS, and SEALs got their hands on the AR15, they wanted it immediately. Army Ordnance saw that there was a good possibility now that the AR15 would out-shine their baby, the M14, so they worked even harder to destroy any chances of the AR15 being adopted. Once McNamara and his analysts found out about all this, they inserted themselves into Army Ordnance Board's inner workings and steered much of the program in order to overcome the corruption that was inherent in that team, resulting in the successful adoption of the AR15 for the Army, USAF, and Marines.
Then there was further criminal misconduct with the proofing of production rifles using different ammunition than what was being issued after the initial production lots of the correct M193 with extruded powder were expended in Vietnam, and it was replaced with production lots using ball powder that drove the port pressures around 10,000psi higher than the design was engineered for.
Like everything, the story is a lot more complicated and requires a lot of research to understand.
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@dss8345 From 2005 to 2016, I shot a lot of high-volume courses with Finnish Defense Forces and Active Reservists around the seasons. A lot of the courses we did were in the dead of winter. Already in the 2000s, there were a high number of guys with AR-15s and ArmaLite AR-10s. The conclusion I came to for what I would want in this category of weapon based solely on reliability, lightweight, portability, and ergonomics was an 11.5” AR with normal Stoner Internal Expansion Gas System. Nothing wrong with that at all. In course-after-course, I never saw a proper-built 11.5” 5.56 AR-15 have a malfunction.
I did see quite a few malfunctions with Arsenal AKs in 7.62x39mm. I never saw an Rk62 or Rk92 or Rk95 malfunction, but they are boat anchors with almost no optics or LAM-mounting capacity.
Moving forward, I think a 12.5” with a reflex suppressor option would be cool, so no real sacrifice in velocity or portability. All the guns need to be coated in something other than black, preferably OD Green or a two-tone OD and that M05 Grey from the intermediate season camo you see Ian wearing in the beginning of the video. Black weapons are TGT indicators for drones and human eyes.
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It should have been named Selektiver Feuerkarabiner (SFk-42/43/44).
It's not a machinegun (like a Maxim, M1919, or MG42) submachinegun (MP38, MP40, Thompson, or PPSh), or automatic rifle (Chaucer, BAR).
Most firearms of that time that were machineguns were automatic fire mode only.
Most SMGs except the M1921 and Kp31 were open bolt, full auto only, so putting "machine" in the nomenclature of the MKb42 only made sense if it was full auto fire mode only.
Select-Fire Carbine more accurately describes the weapon, without adding a purpose in the name like "Sturm", since soldiers will use their assigned weapons for both the defense and offense.
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Tom Splittstoesser That 11,500rd sample was just one day out of literally over 2 decades of shooting many different types of assault rifles around the world.
There are AK variants I have experience with that you will never see in the US or outside of certain nations, in addition to the run-of-the-mill mass exported models from Eastern Europe or Eurasia.
At the end of the day, almost all AKMs and variants were made in a sub-standard production chain, designed under difficult conditions in post-War Russia, without the resources we take for granted in the West. It was meant to be a mass-producable by nations with very limited production capacity, with limited resources, poverty-level factory workers, but still be able to issue a standard service rifle.
That's really the way I've come to look at the AK, after quickly retiring the romantic ideas I had about it from childhood, which all proved to be false the more I worked with them.
It's an inherently-unreliable design when it comes to debris ingestion, certain parts longevity, and compatibility with other Warsaw Pact magazines. It's the bottom of the barrel on the planet in terms of what we are capable of producing, but good enough for the regions where higher quality and more reliable designs are outside of their manufacturing base.
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The thinking behind the .30 Cal Light Rifle was they wanted streamlined logistics without losing performance from what the M-1 Garand and M1919 Machine-guns offered, but wanted more mobility and increased firepower for the riflemen and machine gunners.
Instead of fielding a weapons mix of .45 ACP M3 and M1928 SMGs, .30 Cal M1 Carbines, .30 Cal Rifle Garands, .30 Cal Rifle BARs, and .30 Cal Rifle M1919 MGs, they figured they could encompass all of these weapons into 3 shoulder-fired weapons firing the same cartridge. These would be:
M14 7.62 NATO for Riflemen and everyone else
M14A1 7.62 NATO Automatic Rifle to replace the BAR
M60 GPMG to replace the M1919
All 3 weapons were horrible failures, with the M14 being quickly replaced with the AR15 (M16/M16A1), but the malfunction-prone M60 unfortunately lived on into the 1990s and early 2000s. I used the M60 extensively in several light Infantry units, and we always had issues with them. "Ca-chunk" was a common FTFire mode of that system, along with FTExtract and FTEject. It was the most handy to carry GPMG I've ever used because of the half-bullpup layout and comfortable handguard, but they just didn't run.
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@djl5634 You're talking about the locking mechanism. I'm talking about the recoil system operating principle, and how the cyclic rate is balanced against the recoil. I've spent quite a bit of hands-on time with the MP44 and other constant recoil system, select-fire weapons.
You will immediately know when you shoot one, especially if you've also shot a lot of other SMGs, LMGs, GPMGs, and HMGs.
With most machineguns, the action returns to battery very quickly and in automatic, will naturally fire the next round before your muzzle has recovered to your intended point of aim.
With a constant recoil system, it's timed to arrive once you have recovered. The Stg44 does this.
The M60 is really close, as it has a lower cyclic rate, but not quite there like an Ultimax100 or Stg44.
(Former SAW Gunner, Scout Observer, Weapons Squad AG, Gunner when we still had the M60, Weapons Squad Leader when we had M240, and guy who spent many years working with foreign partner nations in Europe.)
When someone mentions how the MP44 works, I see it in my hands from experience, after many years studying it before touching it.
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@FeatheredDino Real AR-10s from back then are more reliable than most of the modern after-market parts guns. I've been working with AR-10s, SR-25s, aftermarket imitations, and Hk417s in high volume since 2002, have owned at least 6 .308 Win or .260 Rem versions of them over that time, repaired, accurized, and trouble-shot quite a few of them.
Big challenges from an engineering standpoint are:
* Bore volume vs projectile mass and propellant mass
* Bolt and carrier mass ratio (AR-10 was designed on 1:3 ratio.)
* Cartridge stack mass resistance to spring lift, especially under the torque moment from the rifle counter to the rifling direction
AR-15 in 5.56 doesn't have those problems.
I can't recall any notable malfunctions with post-1996 ArmaLite Inc. AR-10s, SR-25s, or my GAP built .308 and .260 Rem. DPMS LR-308s and LR-260 had problems. The old school Dutch ArmaLite AR-10s are very pleasant to shoot, unbelievably accurate, and balance well in the hands.
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@PBVader I can see .076" ports at MLGS 16-18", not 20" RLGS, unless I'm missing something. For reference, I've been really big into AR-10s since the late 1980s, have owned, shot, and worked on many of them, to include Dutch ArmaLites, Eagle Arms ArmaLites, SR-25s, DPMS, Iron Ridge Arms, GAP, ASA, JP, Bushmaster BAR-10, RRA LAR-8, DPMS GII, Savage MSR-10.
I've had the gas port diameter conversation with multiple upper tier manufacturers, and have measured port diameters on a lot of barrels.
Maybe my memory has just gone totally TU, but those numbers sound way off to me.
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@kyleheins The common shoulder-fired weapon issued to the vast majority of soldiers in a Line Company should not exceed 5lbs and should not be very long at all. Think M-1 Carbine weight and handling, but shorter, with at least 5.56 NATO performance.
For Rifle Squad Leaders and Team Leaders, they should carry a DMR with upper end electro-optics, chambered in an Enhanced Intermediate Rifle Cartridge like 6mm ARC+ in performance, and that cartridge should be common to the Lightweight LMG with linked ammo.
Riflemen and Grenadiers should carry the PDW-sized Carbine, as should Ammo Bearers, Assistant Gunners, Anti-Armor Weapons Specialists, everyone in Mortars, CO, 1SG, RTOs, PLs, Drivers, FOs, Combat Medics, etc.
A battle rifle cartridge platform should not exist in the Rifle Company other than Medium Machine-guns in Weapons Squads, and those could be replaced with a .338 Norma-like hybrid polymer/steel case to reduce weight, while increasing long range performance.
9-12lb rifles for everyone is a non-starter concept in the year 1960, let alone 2022.
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@gpheonix1 The German MachinenKarabinen were all carbines based on barrel length, not fitting any definition of rifles. Rifles typically had 24"-31.1" barrels. There were 24" barreled carbines even in the 1800s if the actions were short enough.
The MKb42(H) had a 14" barrel. M1 Carbine has a 17.75" barrel. In the first half of the 20th Century, most 20" barreled long guns were considered carbines.
We saw a shift in the 1950s with the 21" barrel FAL, 22" bbl M14, 17.7" bbl G3, 20" bbl AR-10, and 20" bbl AR-15 all referred to as "rifles". Especially with the flash hiders on the FAL and M14, they were long in overall length like a rifle, plus the bulky/ lengthy receivers of the FAL, G3, and AR-10 contributed to their overall lengths.
An M1 Carbine is tiny compared to a G3, even though the M1 Carbine's barrel is longer.
The AR-15 came from the Small Caliber High Velocity Rifle program, where several of the prototypes had longer barrels. One of the early AR-15 prototypes had a 22" barrel with a rather long flash hider.
With the 20" barrel AR-15 and the original Type A-E stocks, they all present like little carbines, not traditional rifles.
A more correct description of the M4 would be a Small Caliber High Velocity Carbine.
It's also interesting to note that the Russians have never classified the AK or AKM as rifles, but just Avtomat Kalashnikovs, while their rifles have Vintovka in the designation, i.e. Vintovka Mosina, SVT, SVD, etc. Exceptions to this are the VAL and VSS, which of course have tiny little barrels with large suppressors.
Their overall lengths are still in the carbine department.
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@MrBahjatt Yes, if we did a clean slate technical analysis and classification matrix, some interesting things rise to the surface.
1. Cartridge dimensions and performance
2. Barrel + muzzle device length
3. Action type
4. Feed mechanism
5. Fire Control Mechanism
6. Action length
7. Operating system
3 of the things that make the STG44 stand out from all the others are its fire control mechanism, rate of fire, and constant recoil system.
It's really nothing like an AK or AR-15, even though we place it in the same category of weapons.
Handling, ergonomics, and performance under fire are dramatically different with the STG44.
Also, the 7.62x39 intermediate cartridge doesn't behave much like 5.56x45mm. Recoil, velocity, terminal performance, trajectory, and effective range are noticeably different in the soldier's hands, as is carrying a combat load for each.
Even the 7.92x33mm with its larger case head, but shorter COL, is much easier to carry in magazines in pouches than the high tapered 7.62x39 and its cumbersome curved mags, with longer COL.
They're both intermediate cartridges with practically the same performance, but minute differences in case design and COL scale into noticeable consequences for the individual soldier and his squad.
I've maintained for years that 5.56x45mm and 5.45x39mm are Small Caliber High Velocity cartridges, which is at least a major subdivision within intermediate cartridges, if not another category of its own.
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Carbon-15 was doing well initially with sales. Bushmaster offered to buy the company, but the owner refused. Bushmaster then contacted Accusport, Ellett Brothers, and RSR Group ( 3 of the major firearms distributors of the time) and told them that if they carried Carbon-15, they would no longer carry Bushmaster. Bushmaster was the leading company for AR15 sales at the time (mid-1990s), and the 3 major distributors were making a killing selling Bushmaster AR15s.
Professional Ordnance was then limited in its market opportunity, and the guns were known for cracking lowers, bolts breaking, and failures associated with early learning curves as well as the nature of polymer.
Bushmaster came in after Professional Ordnance went under, and bought them for even less than the initial offering. They then manufactured an AR15-compatible Carbon-15 under the Bushmaster name and logo. Karma came around when Bushmaster sold out to Freedom Group, because Freedom Group basically gutted Bushmaster, shut down the Windham, Maine manufacturing, let the Bushmaster President/Owner go after 5 years, and retained the highly-valued Bushmaster name and logo (not that Bushmaster was a great AR15, but it had market recognition and sales that were excellent at the time).
Freedom Group continued to logo AR15s made using DPMS and Remington parts at the Ilion, New York facility, which is why you see current lowers marked that way today, with "D" marked BCGs.
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@keithjurena9319 We had FN M16A2s in Infantry OSUT at Benning, then when I got to my first unit, they still had M16A1s but with A2 furniture. That was in 1994. We turned in our A1s in fall of 1995 and drew out new M16A2s. I preferred the M16A1 due to the weight, balance, trigger, S-S-A FCG, shorter length, and handling. That was active duty US Army, no Reserves or ANG. I went to Korea after that, where we had A2s, then came back to the US at Fort Lewis, and turned in our M16A2s in fall of 1997, grew out brand new M4s right before going to Panama for JOTC.
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