Comments by "crazyfvck" (@crazyfvck) on "Weapon Trivia Wednesday: Trench Shotguns in WWI (NSFW Language)" video.

  1. +Scott Patterson Vodka?? I think you mean whiskey ;)
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  2. +killzone isa As funny as some of the other responses were, let me answer your question. I just measured the bayonet on my Winchester 1897, and the blade is a little less than 17 inches long.
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  3. +Konstantin Voloshin Not sure when they were put into use, but the U.S. used them quite a bit in WW2. There were several models of shotgun used, including a variation of the Winchester 1897 shown in this video. As a matter of fact, the U.S. has used shotguns in every conflict since WW1. Getting back to your question... Shotguns (when used as weapons of war) are meant for close range devastation. They were very effective in the confined trenches of WW1. When WW2 came around, combat was out in the open, or in towns. A shotgun is a bit out of place in those situations, where you would be better served by having a rifle (or SMG.) However, shotguns stuck around, because they were very effective when clearing houses. I'm sure they saw other service as well, like guarding prisoners.
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  4. +YCCm7 He did ;) If you watch the second part where he is "firing," you will see that he is holding down the trigger while pumping the action.
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  5. Jerry Long :P
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  6. +Mat Dinsley lol.. Red Dwarf FTW ;)
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  7. I have one of those Winchester 1897's in trench configuration (including bayonet.) Based on the serial number, it was manufactured in April of 1918.. Love it!! It's pretty rough, and has almost no finish on it, but I wouldn't trade it for anything. Amusingly enough, that was the first gun that I ever bought. I used all of my tax return money to buy it,  but it was well worth it :) Loved the video dude.
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  8. +Bang Switch He did... :P
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  9. +Mithridates123 That 1917 pattern bayonet was the standard bayonet used by the American troops. It was based on an older British bayonet that also had a 17" blade. You are correct that the length of this bayonet became a problem, as was the case for bayonets used by the opposing side. However, since the trench shotguns had a much shorter barrel than the rifles (only 20",) that made it less of an issue while fighting in the trenches. I suggest you watch the video that Ian and Karl did on InRangeTV, regarding hand weapons of WW1. VERY interesting video, and a topic that you do not see covered very often. They discuss the problems with bayonets, and the solutions that soldiers/armies came up with to deal with them.
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  10. +thenomadrhodes America... Fuck yeah! :)
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  11. +Shrapnel82 That 1917 pattern bayonet was the standard bayonet used by the American troops. It was based on an older British bayonet that also had a 17" blade. You are correct that the length of this bayonet became a problem, as was the case for bayonets used by the opposing side. However, since the trench shotguns had a much shorter barrel than the rifles (only 20",) that made it less of an issue while fighting in the trenches. I suggest you watch the video that Ian and Karl did on InRangeTV, regarding hand weapons of WW1. VERY interesting video, and a topic that you do not see covered very often. They discuss the problems with bayonets, and the solutions that soldiers/armies came up with to deal with them.
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  12. +Sqoits Indeed :)
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  13. +Jumper Harz Nope. To my knowledge, the U.S. was the only one to use shotguns in WW1. Not sure if Germany has ever used shotguns in their military, except maybe for breaching doors? Not really something I have ever looked into. That would be a good question for Ian's next Q&A video ;)
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  14. Jumper Harz Good to know. As I said, I've never really taken the time to learn whether or not the modern German military uses them. It's cool to learn that they do.
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  15. +Stanley Outlaw Don't get your panties in a bunch.. Ian was just having some fun. If you wanted a serious video, why did you click on one that said NSFW? (Not Safe For Work, which usually means nudity or heavy swearing.)
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  16. +John McPherson They are ok with modern rounds, but the forcing cone at the end of the chamber should be reamed out to reduce pressure. The older shells that these were designed for used shorter roll crimps. The newer shells are longer when they open, and the original forcing cone keeps them from opening all the way (which increase pressure.) A competent gunsmith can do that for you, and it should be less than $200. Obviously a gunsmith should check it too, just to make sure that the action locks up properly, etc.
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  17. +The Pancakerizer I've seen him dry fire a number of guns. The only one that comes to mind at the moment is the Schwarzlose machine gun.
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  18. +somuchfortalent Indeed.. I love mine. Wouldn't trade it for anything :)
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  19. +Tuton25 Hell yeah! You should buy a trench gun.. I love mine ;)
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  20. +kemonotaku YouTube doesn't ban people for swearing.. They just demonetize their videos. Even if that happened to Ian, he wouldn't be too affected. Most of his funding comes from Patreon donations.
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  21. +Sylvester Stalin It's because they have more character. I like polymer guns too, and I own a few, but there's nothing like an older firearm with a more traditional appearance.
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  22. +1fanger Ha. What did you think it was for? :P
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  23. +Foodie Greg That's just how the Winchester 1897's were. They all had 5 shot mag tubes. The trench guns were literally the same shotgun that you could buy off of the shelf in your local store (though they had a 20" barrel, which is shorter than what most people bought.) All that was done to make them a trench gun was substituting a heat shield/bayonet lug in place of the standard mag-tube clamp,  and giving them a matching bayonet. Simple, but effective.
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  24. +savoy023681 Well.. He's already on InRangeTV ;) lol
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  25. +Fabian Lindner You're right. It wasn't funny. It was hysterical ;)
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  26. +Nick Smith If it was a true original, you should have bought it! I was lucky to get one for $2000, but it is really worn out. They usually sell for between $3000-6000, depending on overall condition.
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  27. +SNOUPS4 They did. The French used gas first during WW1, but from what I understand it was tear gas. It was not a poison gas, which is what the Germans became known for. However, all of the allied powers used it only a short time later. What Ian was getting at, is how the Germans thought this shotgun was "uncivilized," yet they were using poison gas and flamethrowers. Compared to those, a shotgun is pretty humane.
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  28. +KAMERON ROUGEOU The must have item for this holiday season!
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  29. +Savio Strawn I have a hard time believing that they would engage targets at 50m with this shotgun. These guys were not dumb. They knew the limitations of a cylinder-choke shotgun with a short barrel, and would have applied it in appropriate situations. It's not as if they had entire groups of men armed only with these Winchesters. My understanding is that only the Sergeants carried them (in both the Army and Marine Corp.) They would have been surrounded by other men carrying bolt action rifles and Chauchats to take care of the distance shooting. Many of the Sergeants would have also carried a sidearm, though even those may be difficult to hit with at 50m.
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  30. +AussieFanXCIV lol :)
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  31. +MrGeorocks I just handled the one that I have. It's not too heavy. Maybe a pound? It does have a sheath to cover it when it is being stored, so that adds a little weight. But you wouldn't use that when it is on the gun. As far as cutting is concerned, the bayonet is held on pretty well by a spring-loaded push button lock. The blade would not make a very effective cutting tool though, being that it is not super sharp or serrated.
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  32. +Theodore D. Duce it says NSFW (not safe for work) in the title. You were forewarned, and were certainly not forced to watch it.
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  33. +Joe Flattery I agree.
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  34. +Christopher Talyor. Incorrect. He is a human.
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  35. +PistolManiac100 The Winchester 1897 is my favorite. My second choice would have to be the Mossberg 500/590. I have used the Remington's too, but I don't like the way they load. Just personal reference :)
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