Comments by "George Albany" (@Spartan322) on "The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters"
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@Acolyte of Dagon
"For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." - 1 Corinthians 1:18
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. If they kept my word, they will also keep yours. But all these things they will do to you on account of my name, because they do not know him who sent me. If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. Whoever hates me hates my Father also. If I had not done among them the works that no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin, but now they have seen and hated both me and my Father. But the word that is written in their Law must be fulfilled: ‘They hated me without a cause.’" - John 15:18-25
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@Acolyte of Dagon
"I never claimed truth"
Then your criticism can neither exist nor be recognized as qualitative. There is no argument you can have unless you admit to truth, there is no criticism without that argument. So either you recognize truth in which you rob from another worldview to sustain it or you have no place to stand. There is no just position without a foundation for truth being known, a place of objectivity beyond your own bounds. Else your statements are worthless.
"I'm sceptical of your claims that you have access to divine knowledge because you read a book,"
I will not argue you to a realm of truth and knowledge that is not gained by man's reason, for he is incapable of such as what I quoted says.
"The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned." - 1 Corinthians 2:14
How about you actually read the things written before you handwave them as if you could learn nothing? How could you sustain an argument if you will not read it?
This aside the truth of the word has already been given to you, we are not capable to ignore a wider objective truth, Creation itself demonstrates such a case, and that we have not made it but that something beyond us has designed it. Things made do not come to being by random chance, order is not attained in chaos, it is designed by something even if that designer may come from the chaos, these are clear truths.
"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse." - Romans 1:20
"and you have zero evidence behind any of your beliefs other than the fact that the book told you so."
For the evidence is all around you but you are incapable to understand it for you are spiritually discerned. I do not make my proofs by evidences for these are not a demonstration for faith. No man is brought to faith by reason, for men's reason is worthless philosophy before truth. Reason does not make faith, but faith makes reason. We are not to be taken captive by such things for they do not save and have no hope, they are not with love but are without it. It is such this I will never prove to you things with evidence for even if God came down and told you His Truth face to face and told you Christ did happen you would never believe, you would never have faith. No amount of evidence would convince you for evidence was never the problem. One again read 1 Corinthians 2:14, Paul is quite clear.
"Your "authority" isn't any greater or lesser than mine or anybody else's."
Its not my authority, that makes it a strawman to say for I never claimed it to be mine.
"The one who speaks on his own authority seeks his own glory; but the one who seeks the glory of him who sent him is true, and in him there is no falsehood." - John 7:18
"Your appeal to authority is based on an imaginary friend that you are in close contact with."
How do you know what you know? Does not an authority exist beyond ourselves? What defines said authority? Are we not ruled by authority over us that gives us what we have?
"For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?" - 1 Corinthians 4:7
"I also never "stole from your worldview," as you have no such claim to any political stance or ideology."
You have for you claim to stand against me without a foundation to criticize me, so you steal from the worldview of Truth in order to claim to speak from truth, you claim authorities for yourselves so as to attack me and criticize God. If you could make such things, by what standard do you have that you can criticize me on? You have made yourself a hypocrite.
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Which is contradictory since she also believes in the concept of a soul, which demonstrates an agency, volition, and responsibility to your own acts, (for which consent also spawns, consent can only exist if you have a volition for which one can consent, in essence you must be responsible for your own acts) you can't believe in the conception of a soul and than claim I have no agency over myself, either you are a materialist without self-control, which also means everyone you argue against is also without self-control, in which case why are you arguing against them in the first place? Why would it matter? In the other case you're a spiritualist who believes in self-control and thus you reject the lack of moral responsibility which also means those in a poor place are morally responsible and should be dealt with in a punished or corrected manner to stop committing immoral acts. You can't claim a moral position and reject agency for decisions, those are mutually exclusive.
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@shapshooter7769
"High schools do not teach women to become mothers."
Because that's the charge of the mother. Schools (as we see them) are a new invention that haven't existed for even 200 years and high school is younger then that. And that's aside from the fact that home schooled children score better then private school kids who score better then public school kids. God gave women to be mothers to children, the father provides, the mother takes care, these are the charges by the nature God gave us. And its clearly present in the natural dimorphic behaviors we partake in.
"Also that's veering into arranged marriage territory where the woman doesn't have agency on who to marry"
First off this is a baseless statement, basically a strawman but secondly it is the charge of the family, not just the individual, to ensure the continued stability and establishment of the family, the only people who argue against this hate the concept of the family and are libertine individualists, they believe that everyone is autonomous, but nobody is, you are not made up of just yourself and nobody independent of those that inspired and founded them as they are. All men are standing on the backs of their ancestors, on the backs of giants.
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@4thzone697 The truths of the matter is like this, for a man had been blind all his life, he could not know a conception of sight and could not understand any evidences of sight for all he knew would be a lack of sight. He could not verify sight by experience and could never come to know truth by relying on a knowledge regarding sight but if he has faith in senses without the sight inherent then he can be given truth in reasoning what is and is not, not by sight but through faith that he can know such things, and thus he can know through experience and reason where knowledge otherwise gained in sight lies without sight. Those who reject an understanding of faith are likened to the blind man who he has no faith in senses, he rejects understanding which would bring him to truth because he naturally does not have that understanding. If he was given the evidences without a faith, which brings about reason, for which interprets and underpins the evidences, the evidences themselves would be useless for his understanding, the evidence would be rejected by a lack of understanding necessary to interpret and comprehend the evidences.
If proof would convince you, you would have already believed for the Creation itself demonstrates his divine and invisible attributes, (Romans 1:20-22) there is no amount of proof that will convince you to follow God because you are against Him and seek everything you can do against Him by nature, you will seek anything and everything to refute and oppose Him and even when you would know of Him you would still not love Him. If God came down to you and showed you signs, and had even called you by name and empirically showed demonstrations of divinity you still would not have the heart to believe as it violates your nature to do such, you would not be capable to receive salvation. Reason does not save as neither does evidence for we know that neither were we convinced by evidence but by conviction, which brought us to faith, the foundation of reason for which evidence is founded upon. For no reason can be found without faith, and no evidence can be found without reason, yet you accept a faith while you reject the core of the faith itself for which you build reason to evidence.
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@GodwynDi You are only a clump of cells, what defines life? Who gets to make that judgement? You or God?
"For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them." - Psalm 139:13-16
"They built the high places of Baal in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to offer up their sons and daughters to Molech, though I did not command them, nor did it enter into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." - Jeremiah 32:35
"You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord." - Leviticus 18:21
"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own," - 1 Corinthians 6:19
"Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind and said: “Who is this that darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Dress for action like a man; I will question you, and you make it known to me. “Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements—surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy? “Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb, when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band, and prescribed limits for it and set bars and doors, and said, ‘Thus far shall you come, and no farther, and here shall your proud waves be stayed’?" - Job 38:1-11
You have no authority to determine for who are to judge righteousness and unrighteousness? Who are you to judge what is and is not life? Did not the Germans do the same? What about the Soviets? Or the Chinese? Who determines where life is to be protected and by what standard to protect life? God commanded that all life of mankind is inscribed from conception as human life equal, recieving of the Imago Dei, the Image of God. Yet you demand that a hedonistic solution, and to punish the children for crimes of the parents. Under any other standard this would be considered evil, but because n baby in the womb can not speak for itself and is not seen so clearly with the common eye in daily life, we considered it less human? How is this just? Who calls law to protect? Man or God? Who made law so that children would be protected? That justice be done? That a good will would be done? It wasn't among Molech nor the other pagans, it wasn't among any but the Hebrews who Jesus established Christianity out of for the sake of the whole world that the Hebrews that had violated their covenant by keeping their light to themselves. Through Jesus the grooming of Greek sex boys was stopped, the worship of idols were destroyed voluntarily, and the whole of the Empire was converted in three hundred years. Who established law? God did.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.” - John 7:24
"Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God? " - Romans 2:1-3
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@4thzone697
"and how is the search for a submissive wife going? No self respecting woman would willingly make themselves a serf of their husbands, especially not in the name of a fictitious religion."
Given that the Bible and history demonstrate the opposite, you are already incorrect but secondly "make themselves a serf" is a strawman. Are we serfs and slaves to the government? Are you arguing that every government enslaves its people? So are we to live without government? But would not authorities rise up, just or not, to perform the exact duty in according to their whims? Is the government not put in authority over us? Do they not have jurisdiction to protect and guide in manner of what is right and wrong in society by justice? What about your parents? Do you argue that children never listen to their parents? Do we argue they spit in their face and oppose their parents in everything they do? If man is put under authorities everywhere else, how is the household not an authority to be put under just as God had us to be. Your logic makes no sense, its inconsistent and clearly just an attempt to degenerate your opposition without even a basic self-reflection. Unless of course you argue for lawlessness, that you oppose all authority and say both children and government be abolished, you can not state this claim.
As for "fictious religion" you didn't refute what I said. A claim of understanding is not attained by a belief of understanding, its attained by an adherence to seeking truth. If you sought truth you wouldn't have made such a flimsy case but you don't seek truth and only wish to glorify yourself, to please and pleasure both yourself and those who witness what you said that see the world as you do, none of it stems from reason, none of it stems from morals, and none of it stems from this fairness you implicitly accept. One that makes no sense because you can't even speak to that which defines a value for life, why do you consider value inherent? That's not an inherently defined concept and you can't accept it as a position of your foundation. If its not an inherent position why do you assume that we must be fair to anyone, let alone women, and not force them into serfdom in the first place? You don't have a foundation for that, you don't get to make that claim. What is our service towards? How do we define life in such a way that you you can actually tell me I'm wrong? For your claims to stand this must be answered.
"that’s a lot of words to say you have no proofs, beyond some abstract concepts of faith. You claim of empirical proofs, provide them then."
Should I give a blind man, who can not read, written notes? Should I speak to a deaf man by covering my mouth? How do you expect me to communicate to you empirical proofs when you don't have the mind to understand what I give you? All evidence, all proof, all things, they are interpreted by faith, even just the faith that tomorrow will be the same as today, and faith that what we empirically analyze is consistent enough to always be true. Even this basic concept is faith for we could not even live in a world without such. There however is no proof I could give you that guarantees that from where you stand, there is nothing that absolutely tells me from that view that what I measure is all there is to measure and that it will always measure the same. We presume this case every moment of life we live. I have proofs for which I know those things to be true but you can't receive them because you have no spirit to do such. If the evidences of Creation and Word of the Savor, by the mouth of the Prophets and Disciples, would not save you then no amount of evidences would ever convince you.
"And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house— for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’” - Luke 16:24-31
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@ge2719
"And the idea that a person has a soul, and that soul can be a different sex from the body works perfectly with christianity."
No it doesn't, the sex of your flesh is a reflection (even if imperfectly in some fleshly failure case, but it is a reflection in all case still) of the sex of your soul, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, angels, and demons are all male, but as for man and his dominion there is a share of male and female, and while partiality will not be found between the Kingdom of Heaven, those distinctions do exist in Heaven, we will still refer to each other by the sexes we were assigned by God. For as Jesus said, God made them male and female, there is nothing of Scripture that denotes an overthrow of sex, in fact God Himself refers to Himself as Father, Aba, and inherently male, and our flesh will be made new and perfect in Heaven as so said in the Revelation of Jesus Christ given to John, thus our new flesh will still be male and female as our souls are only male and female.
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