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1. Suga NEVER said he had one glass.
He said he drank alcohol. He NEVER said how much.
2. Why is it that the baseball player who recently had a DUI WITH HIS CAR got LESS coverage? All he got was a, "Oh, we understand, it happens, blah, blah."
Yet Suga, who has brought A LOT OF PRESTIGE TO SOUTH KOREA together with BTS, is treated like a pariah for falling off his scooter/kickboard and telling the truth.
(DO NOT GO AFTER the baseball player or any person, celeb or not like this in the future, ever again).
3. Good that you made a sort of apology, better than nothing.
But do better before Korea loses more good people to death because of media hounding them and bullying them and spreading DISINFORMATION & MISINFORMATION that causes stress on their mental state.
4. Your main Korean side, Yonhap, STILL NEED TO APOLOGISE TO SUGA IN KOREAN and Apologise to the Korean public for misleading them.
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If Jimin and JK do have Jin as an instructor, it's gonna be interesting to see how their dynamics will work as they will have to fall in line like everyone else and can't goof off.
Down time, however, I anticipate stories of chaos and hilarity.
As for V, while it's somewhat surprising, because for most of us, we really thought he'd go with the rest of the Maknae Line, it's cool to see him do what he wants to do.
Same for RM, as he's apparently going with V to the same training centre but will probably go to normal active duty....unless there's something he's not telling us. Which is fair enough, it's their life and it's interesting enough that someone told the media of current assignments before the boys could.
Anyway, all the best to RM, Jimin, V, and Jungkook as they embark on the next step of their journey.
See you all as one unit again (pun intended) in 2025.
APOBANGPO.
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Here's a thought, introduce a celeb anti-stalking law with severe punishments. This should be for all s-words, ak-words, and also include celebs being followed by certain "agencies" that claim they are a business, but really, they're just stalking celebs to blackmail them with photos.
(Also, if the country doesn't have it already, introduce an anti-stalking law in general).
As for Jin, I hope that officer reflects on what she's done. She threw away her military career for this. I hope she and her accomplice (because c'mon, there definitely is one), are brought to justice.
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Let me get this straight, BTS, who have raised Korea's National Prestige by going to the UN to speak 3 times, have done a global campagin with the UN, have gone to the White House to talk about Anti-Racism, have been global diplomats representing Korea, have done what no other K-Pop group has done before on a global scale, have been nominated 5 Times for the Grammys (which is not as easy as it sounds), have won numerous awards including the big awards overseas and back in Korea, have boosted part of Korea's economy as their own entity separate to K-Pop (yes, I followed the business News), have always shown they were proud of their heritage and culture, have contributed to millions of people coming to SK who in turn contribute billions of won to the national economy, gotten the Korean Cultrual Merit, all that;
Were not considered because they are seen as "just idols" who went after their own pursuits.......
EVERYONE who does what they do does it for themselves first, NEVER for National Pretisge, it's always personal.
Whether they choose to represent Korea more is up to them, which BTS has done, by the way, numerous times, including contributing to Art and Historical items being restored and displayed at home and abroad.
I hope there is better talks because the next Generation of idols can benefit from where the govt failed BTS.
Now whether the boys themselves would've accepted exemption or not is up in the air, we will never know, (I lean towards them not accepting it and just going because that's who they are, from what we have seen, but it would've been nice to see them be offered it just like every other globally high achieveing Korean man). They know it's better to just go and serve because they're tired of the crap people throw their way and shade them for their character while begging them to reconsider going to the military straight away in hopes of giving them a really bad deal and helping the Hallyu Wave continue growing.
Such a demand of them with no appreciation of the boys as HUMAN.
I am very proud of BTS and that they chose to do what they're doing now and just going.
The folly of this segment was saying just idols and actors pursue their work for personal gain. That is absolute rubbish because EVERYONE does what they do for personal gain.
Well done to Faker and his Team, because E-Sports is not easy either, but honestly speaking:
1. I only heard of him because of BTS,
2. The government need to reconsider their stance on K-Entertainment and stop using idols and actors in general as money bags but then treating them as garbage and shading them.
(If anyone made it to end of this, Well Done, I had to get it off my chest).
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When we'll see our favourite groups on stage again?
Depends on the group we follow.
Their company will give us a questimated date.
For BTS, at some point in 2025, hopefully by June at latest if not, December.
And that's life, fans will come and go but people in their own fandoms, who are like Armys, will stay for their respective boys until they return. Like with Super Junior.
As Siwon said, (and I know another idol, Henry I believe his name is), they learnt a lot about themselves and from their experiences while in service and they were proud to do it in the end.
This is a change in life, and people rarely like change because it's new territory and it makes for an uncertainty, but sometimes change can be good because you explore more.
And yes, things won't be the same when groups come back BUT that will depend on the fandoms themselves on how their comeback will be.
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I noticed that there is definitely a difference in age group opinions;
And then the younger groups being split in the middle was interesting.
Honestly, as most commenting aren't actually Korean and haven't grown up in the country nor understand the culture or historical and current affairs aspect of the issue, we don't have a right to say what's right and what's wrong for Korean people.
BTS will do what they always do.
Continue music, live their lives, do their solo projects, eventually regroup, and they will serve when called.
A few years ago, Jin and Suga were already getting ready before the deferment came from what the HYBE letters were saying on WeVerse.
And I get what the interviewees are saying; SK is still at war, they're at a ceasefire, so if war breaks out, all able-bodied men will be drafted whether we and they like it or not.
This way, if BTS go, they will at least be prepared should something happen.
Now how they will serve is up to whatever the government end up doing, which now, from what I understand is too late to apply to Jin, but whether it'll be as some Korean men suggested, 4 months intensive OR the full 18-22 months depending on the branch they go to remains to be seen.
For me, I'm gonna enjoy what the boys have to show us until the time comes. And then I'll wait patiently for when they're done to continue their journeys together again.
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BTS have the right to expand, experiment, and grow as they so wish to and please.
If they continued to have the same sound all the time, then it'd be a bit dull, in my opinion.
People change and grow and their styles become different as they get older, no one is who they were ten years ago, why do we expect BTS to be?
And people need to remember that Dynamite, Butter, and Permission to Dance are only 3 songs out of BTS's entire repertoire that are sung in English.
Their album BE was all in Korean save for Dynamite.
And I doubt that their future albums will be all in English save for maybe a song or two;
but who knows, maybe they'll experiment with that too by releasing an English version along with a Korean one like what some artists do; just to see how that plays out.
We'll just have to wait and see.
For me, as long as they have a good message and continue to bring thoughtful and good music, then I'm happy.
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Seriously!?!?
How do these "Armys" expect Big Hit to continue making money to be able to have all their Artists, including BTS, continue to make music, travel to various places (once the world is safe to travel again), and all that?
Seriously, it's an "End of the Year Big Hit FAMILY Concert"?
You know, that really cool thing called FAMILY!?!?
Big Hit now have more than one artist and group in their company.
Cripes.
As for ticket prices, (those that were offline), yeah, seemed pretty standard to me, cheaper than I expected for the number of people going to perform and all the people that will be involved in the set up of it.
Glad they're still going to have the End of Year as an Online Event.
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@nues9768 That's what someone else mentioned too. Why get mad at the performers who are contracted to do their job for essentially 5min, but not get mad at the 5 billion people who make such an event popular and famous and once they finish their outrage will just watch their team anyway?
Someone also said, "Look at your own country before criticising others. If you think there's nothing wrong, you're obviously not looking." (Or something like that).
We have a right to be mad at the injustice, but we have to go to the governmental body. What makes it harder is that there is no separation of religion and state in Qatar either, from what I've read, so that makes it harder.
Also, contrar to what people believe, BTS aren't magical fairies that will make the world better wherever they go. Billions still don't know who they are, let's be honest. And BTS are humans who do want a better world, but they're also entertainers. They will however, try to bring some joy wherever they go.
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My Dad would always remind me that learning language is like walking up a mountain.
You think you're going good and you're rising and then all of a sudden you drop, only to climb up again, then to drop.
And you're going, "But WHY!?"
You can do it; quality not quantity when it comes to languages.
Example, I can always say, "Oh, I know five languages,"
When in reality, I speak one fluently, one semi-fluently, one basic level, one like a baby, and the fifth one I can't even read that well let alone speak it.
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1. It happens, you know, a decrease in interest as nothing can stay up forever. With that said, music is music and it will bounce back at some point.
And I'm glad he pointed out that there will be no 'Next BTS', because there won't be. Will there be a next successful group who can top the charts? Yes, very likely, but they shouldn't be viewed as the next BTS or next anything but themselves.
2. That's great to hear that girl groups are also on the rise, they work hard and deserve it. So, I am looking forward to hearing more music from them.
3. I'm personally not a fan of AI too much, (that said, I do listen to Hatsune Miku on the odd occasion), but I honestly prefer human performers because it's rawer for the most part and you feel the music. But that's just me.
4. And all the best to them with their partnerships. I look forward to more music. As to whether I follow said new music and so depends on whether I feel moved by the song.
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I've seen a lot of Korean men these days actually talk about BTS and the majority have actually given a compromise option.
As BTS, in their eyes and words (the Korean men commenting), have served and given prestige to SK more than classical musicians and Olympic gold medalists have, instead of making them do the full 18-22 months, they stated that BTS should just do a 4-5 month intensive training regiment.
That way, they serve less time as a thank you for what they did and go back to doing music; but they are also trained in case war breaks out.
And let's be honest, for those saying that BTS didn't start music for SK; No One, and that is all idol groups, atheletes, and classical musicians, (and whoever else can apply), does their profession to bring glory to country at first, that comes after. (At least 98% of the time).
That said, you also have the other group of Korean men saying that BTS should serve like everyone else. And to be fair, the guys who say that also feel that Classical Musicians who win awards and gold medal athletes should serve too and not get exemption. And that's fair enough. The country is at a tenative ceasefire, they're not at peace with NK. So, I can see why it's important for them to go.
The only thing I am for, is for the government to just make a decision and stop leaving Hybe and BTS hanging as that's all they're waiting for, the next step, as they had actually started planning for BTS going into military service prior to Covid-19 hitting AND the group getting deferment. Last I read in the papers.
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Right?
It shines such a bad light on the two of them, which should rub both fandoms the wrong way, and I'm sure it does.
Like, there are people out there who are separated for even longer, who waited for the other to return.
18 months is nothing in comparison, and as you said, they get phone time, PLUS, they do get time off base after working for X amount of days (100, was it?), it's not like they don't see their family or partners at all.
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@EverRoxas It won't tank, I agree there. However, being that 1% of the economic income, which economist were saying is just BTS and not including other massive KPop companies or groups, is still pretty damn impressive and high
That said, international opinion is what will also impact certain things considering that for the time being, BTS are at the forefront of being SK's ambassadors;
and with how News has gotten out about what the local government in Busan has done, it's not helping the international public image at all, which is what's needed for things like winning the World Expo 2030.
But that's just how I saw it.
Honestly speaking, the boys need a break from everyone and to move away from being used as they are and then slandered by most media in SK and those various government officials;
so maybe the way to go is to just forget about national government wants and do what they want, which seems to be that most of them have already said that they're going when called as they feel it's their duty as SK men.
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And in other News...oh wait, it's the same thing as always;
Are BTS going to the Military? We need a consensus..... Oh wait, no they MUST go to the military...oh wait, What about the Hallyu Wave,
Oh wait...they CAN'T take a break because of the Hallyu Wave, even if it's for their mental health BUT they must serve,
No, no, wait, they must be made to work for the government for longer than people are conscripted; 34 months...right?
Oh wait, elderly SK are mad that BTS won't have to go what they went through even though that's NOT what BTS themselves even said; ("When we're called, we're going," said JIN of BTS).
Can we pretty PLEASE focus on the boys and their achievements and let it be?
Armys all know by now that this is nothing but banter to make it look like you're gonna do something to acknowledge what BTS have brought for SK when in reality you're just taking BTS's name to make yourselves relevant and are treating them like puppets so that when the News reports about you, you look like you're doing something when we know in the end, they're probably going because nothing is going to change, just empty words.
I'd love to be wrong in all honesty, I really would;
That said, even if I was wrong, it doesn't mean BTS will take whatever is offered.
I kinda hope they don't and just do what's best for them, away from the company ideals too.
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@tdlexis But as someone who is a fan of The Beatles, you can understand why people would react badly to what you say about BTS and saying they're not as great.
You'd probably resct the same if I said it about The Beatles.
And honestly, I have listened to The Beatles, but their music didn't connect with me very much, (a few of my students do love them though), and that's fine.
For British Artists, The Beatles definitely put a mark on the map and that's fantastic; but for this generation, BTS are the ones who put their music on the map and created a great connection.
I don't understand why you'd call me big headed though, (you said, "You BTS fans,"), when all I said was that we shouldn't compare.
Music, like all Art, is about how it makes you feel and if it moves you.
And believe me, I am under no illusion about how the music industry works when it comes to popularity, it happened to The Beatles, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Aretha Franklin, even One Direction. While icons of their time and they will not be forgotten, new groups will eventually forge and one day, BTS will be the same, they will get older too; and honestly BTS knows that, they have even mentioned it before.
Also, I can't wait to see the kids, for those who choose to have kids in BTS. If the members now are chaotic and loud...well....as you know, that passes on; just ask my brother-in-law. Ha, ha, ha, poor guy.
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@KBowWow75 As I'm not American, that's actually really fascinating to hear about.
And the woman who said that she followed for 13 years also said that she never saw anything like what BTS has achieved globally, so she did mention that a part of her feels exemption would be okay but it is up to the government in the end and also, duty is duty.
BTS may not be all of Korea but they do contribute a lot.
But honestly speaking, from how BTS themselves have been speaking of it, they're more or less ready to go.
Was one of the reasons that Suga got the surgery to fix his shoulder best he could because he was gearing up to go after Jin was going to about 3 years ago before they were given a chance to extend.
That all said and done, like I said above, they're probably going; because in all reality, the war between the Koreas hasn't stopped, it's a military ceasefire that could go at any minute.
I live a country over, Missile Warnings where I'm based has happened before.
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Agreed.
I really liked watching Korea Now as they also have News outside of K-Pop that I follow and watch, as well as interesting segements and stories.
Don't get me wrong, I personally don't give a rats ass if the two were actually dating or not, it's their lives and they deserve to be happy, but the way this all played out had a foul feeling from the start where a lot of claims and so just didn't add up;
Plus, in the recent Live, as someone pointed out, Bear looked waaaaaaaay to happy for someone who had just broken up with someone.
My stance was always, if it's something true, the companies have always confirmed it;
And if the photos and videos are real, but the rumours are not, the company have also always jumped in to squash the rumours.
Baseless stuff, they usually just collect data and send it to their legal teams to sue the perpetrator, which both BH/HYBE and YG have done, last I heard of this story a while back.
I am disappointed in Korea Now for running this.
They could've just left it at a story about BP renewing their contract and BTS now all being in the military as separate stories in one segment instead of this.
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@multistan9582 I actually saw interviews online both written and spoken, where the majority of SK soldiers who were interviewed actually didn't mind the idea of BTS given at least half an exemption because of what they've contributed to SK in terms of prestige, culture, and economics; but they also said, just to be safe, to let all members at least go through basic training and be prepared in case and then do the refresher courses every few months (or whichever it was) just so they're prepared in case something happens.
Honestly speaking, I don't mind what happens, because if exemption were given; (But it probably won't be as the government doesn't really care about BTS, just about the money they bring and they're only saying this exemption thing to make it look like they care and will do something but they won't); BTS still has a choice to decline. And a part of me hopes that they do to just spite the crap they've been put through. But we'll see. For now, we should just focus on what fun things are coming. I see Jin especially doing quite a few cool show projects and a single is coming. So, yay.
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@zenhuladancingauntie4631 Agree so much with what you said.
Actually, a friend of mine lived in SK during BTS's debut years, I think he said he saw them running around once or twice, (debut years, so, think fetus JK, lol);
Main Point, he told me that due to strict schedules in the military, the boys will actually get SO MUCH SLEEP compared to their sleep as idols.
Which is awesome.
And he said that if the boys go at the same time or relatively at the same time, he hopes they'll compete in the military dance (or entertainment, I can't remember what he called it, but he's a former military kid, so he knows about it) competition. SK would definitely win as all other countries will end up enjoying a free show. Lol. His words, not mine.
I honestly think that going as 'groups of' would be the best of both worlds, they sorta go individually but still in groups so that the wait is not quite as long if they were super individually. But we'll see, their choice as to how they wanna do it.
And agreed too, on the point that they said that they'll go when called, given that they're proud Koreans.
And who knows, maybe this will inspire even more change for the future generations on enlistment who will eventually come along when BTS are old and grey, well, if the war between NK and SK reaches a peace settlement; but humans, we know that's a pipe dream for now.
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@nasreen2613 Right!?
BTS have all stated that they're ready to go once called.
I personally kinda hope they go by Hyung Line and then Maknae Line.
If I got the math down right, if the Hyung Line go first, they'll be at Boot for 6 months while the Maknaes continue their work in thr civilian world;
After boot is done, the Maknaes should join and start Boot and from then, we will have at least 1 year of no BTS in public.
After that one year is up, the Hyung Line will have finished their 18 months (if they go to the Army or the Marines),
And then for 6 months we'll see the Hyung Line do their things,
At the end of the Hyung Line being back for 6 months, the Maknaes will also be done with the military.
Voila, Max 2 years of them being away on service, done.
But that's just my opinion.
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@imnoone4884 BTS themselves have said that once called, they're going to go. It's part of their duty to do it. That said, I think the halt for the moment is that BTS brings in a lot of money to the GDP of SK, the government wants to think of an alternate because BTS have done something globally for SK that no other Korean group, artist, or athelete has, yet, who knows, there may be a future group who will have a great message and good music and maybe they'll impact their generation.
And yes, Next Album. If I don't see you around the YouTube Sphere, I hope you'll enjoy the next comeback too.
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@marijesauthenticchannelenj9437 If you're talking about Jin, that's up to him as to which branch he decides to go to; no one makes that decision for him, he'll do his physical, do the paperwork, and I'm not sure how they request which branch, but from what I see they will request a branch to go into.
Then he'll be off to six months of basic training, and then after basic training he'll be at the military base with the branch he decides to serve in and in what area for whatever amount of time he's scheduled to be there for.
So Air Force is still two years if I read that correctly, Navy is also almost two years, Marines and Army vary from 1.5-2 years.
Try to remember that for South Korean men, serving is also linked to patriotism and national pride; I mean, even V has mentioned that he plans to enlist with JK when the time comes (very early interview, just after debut time).
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@tomorrow. Right!?
Don't get me wrong, if BTS did get an exemption for their service via music to/for country, (on top of all their UN and so, plus overseas awards), that would be great because what they have done has been amazing and healing for millions of people around the world and does serve their country well.
But at the end of the day, SK is also their world and they know it better than we do, as do the Koreans who live there.
This interview was interesting to watch though, and it was interesting to see that the soldier was also one of the ones who actually felt that they wouldn't need to serve.
But in the end, as I've said to people before, even if they got exemption, it doesn't mean they'd take it for themselves; BUT, if criteria are put in place, then maybe for the generations to come, there will be something there for them to make their own choice should they achieve what BTS has in the past 9ish years.
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I honestly liked how the boys reacted, not just at the Grammys itself, but also on the VLive.
While they voiced their sadness and disappointment and how it's okay to be sad and disappointed, they all also acknowledged how amazing the Doja Cat and Sza's song, (as well as the other artists nominated too), is and how they themselves also enjoy the songs;
and they are taking this as an opportunity to be motivated to work even harder. (Although, I feel they work too much).
Whatever the reason, many will still feel that they were snubbed, not just at winning a Grammy, but also in the many categories that they should've been nominated into.
And for me, as we know that the two oldest will most likely be in the military by Grammy time next year, this would've been a bonus send off for their hard work.
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That DJ knew what he was doing and the only reason any apology was made is because he got so much hate and was called out for his behaviour.
Look, I get it, not everyone is going to like BTS or their music, and that's fine; people have different tastes, he could've just said, "Ah, BTS have become quite popular these days, I don't understand it as they're not my style at all, sorry."
And left it at that, but nope, he went with racists and petty, and then refused to truly acknowledge wrong behaviour when called out and tried to say that Armys are just too sensitive and all that jazz.
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@imnoone4884 Parts of what I could read from the two Korean comments, one asked why I think it's political and the other one called me ignorant.
I mean, it is a form of politics no matter which way you look at it, even though BTS isn't directly involved. But they're being dragged in in some form.
I think the larger comment also accused me of not knowing that the two Koreas are still at war, which I already knew from years ago. And I'm well aware that enlistment is necessary for all able men. I also never said BTS shouldn't go, I said I want the government to make up their collective minds on if the boys are going so the boys and their company can move forward with their schedules around enlistment.
And yeah, I guess just leave the two comments alone and keep supporting BTS no matter the decision the government comes to. And if they do leave for a while, keep supporting them while they're away for enlistment and wait for the groups full return.
We can still enjoy their solo or mini group projects.
((Also, new album coming, so, Hooray)).
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Soooooooooo, the courts gave custody to a the woman who disrupted a flight because they didn't have the nuts she wanted and she was a selfish Diva; on top of that, she has been claimed to have abused the kids and her husband and they still let her have the kids????
WHAT!?
Investigation? Put the kids in a safe place and see if what those two too-rich-and-snobby claims about each other is right. Bloody hell. If she's a Diva already about stupid nuts on a flight, what is she like on a personal level with the kids, let alone the husband? Red Flag!
Also, did she say he was an alcoholic just so people would just give her the kids? And why is the abuse claims against her not taken seriously? Oh, right, because men can't be abused, right? What nonsense. Investigate the claims because for all you know, she could be a Heard.
And for the first guy, 34 years of marriage down the tubes for a side piece....*clap, clap, clap* - you are an idiot sandwich "good" sir. Nice you want to take "responsibility", but you shouldn't have done it in the first place.
When I saw the headline, I thought, why does the wife want that much, once I listened to the story, yeah, give her her fair share. He is a cad and a douche.
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@analori8413 Cripes, I read LoL as 'Laugh Out Loud' as opposed to 'League of Legends', LOL.
And true, but if change can come, then at least it will benefit those who will come after and also, hopefully, pioneer their own road the way BTS made their own.
I will stand by what I said before though, I think, honestly, even if they were given exemption, they probably would've gone anyway because they would rather do it and not have it hanging over their heads that they didn't go, even if they do deserve to not have to.
On the more positive side, I am looking forward to what future Run episodes will be like, especially if they all try to pull rank on each other. The teasing and the Lols I foresee in their returned chaos.
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