Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Is the European Union a Country?" video.

  1. I am happy for UK and I use the EU flag as toilet paper.
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  2. Switzerland will have their laws written by Brussels. And you will be forced to follow the Maastrich treaty - so no more leftwing economic policies like stimulating your economy in bad times and you cannot nationalize certain industries if you wanted that. And the Euro isn't set for Swiss needs. Sometimes interest rates is too low and inflation too high... which can cause a bubble economy, and when a stock bubble or a housing bubble bursts, its gonna get very painful. Ask Ireland or Spain how a housing bubble feels like. It doesn't feel nice. And sometimes the problem is the opposite, the Euro got too high interest rates and inflation is too low. So if Switzerland economy a little sad and got high unemployment and needs a boost forward, then you want low interest rates and high inflation. But in this example you got the opposite. Which means Switzerland has to wait some extra years before the economy can get strong again. EU have also for a long time been interested in creating an own army, which is intentent as a force that rapidly could be send to a place anyware. And many EU critics mean that this force isn't intended for defensive purposes only like the old cold war conscription armies of Europe, but its rather a force for offensive operations. Like America which is involved in 7 conflicts right now. So for a nation with a long tradition of neutrality, the decision to join the EU might be controversial. The Lisbon treaty also demands that every country got a duty to help other EU countries if they are under attack - like France was by ISIS in the terrorist attack in Paris. I don't know about Swiss copyright laws, but Sweden had pretty liberal copyright laws before we joined the EU and we could download music and games and everything as long as we only did it for our own personal use. Well, the EU prohibited that for us in 2006.
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  3. So I say the Swiss should stay out. You have your neutrality. And you got the most industrialized country on earth. And your currency is hard and very sought after - and most importantly of all, its under your control and serves the best interests of your country.
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  4. They have marketed themselves like that, but EU didn't create the peace and neighter is it necessary for maintaining the peace. There was a long peace in Europe after the Napoleon wars as well. And Germany and France had peace for over 40 years (1871-1914) without any EU. And after World War 2, Germany had been weakened and Nato and the Warzaw pact kept peace in Europe with mutually ensured destruction and lots of troops occupying each side of the Berlin wall. So the peace would have happening without any EU. An Union which by the way didn't prevent lots of other wars. To just take some examples: 1954-62 Algerian War 1956 Hungarian Revolution 1956–1962 Operation Harvest 1958 First Cod War 1959–2011 Basque conflict 1968 Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia 1968–1998 The Troubles 1972–1973 Second Cod War 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus 1975–1976 Third Cod War 1991–1995 Croatian War of Independence 1992–1995 Bosnian War 1998–1999 Kosovo War 2011-2016 Libyan Civil war So giving EU peace prize was simply a joke.
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  5. The just see a landmass on a map and think they can merge it. And when American tourists gets to Europe they say they have seen France after 2 days in Paris and a few days in Germany. They simply don't get the deeper dimensions of Europe. And yes there are similiarities, but there are also huge differences between the countries.
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  6. LOL, butthurt much?
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  7. UK was a mixed bag. It was against schengen and the EMU, which both has been total failures. But on the other hand has England pushed for neoliberal economic policies. I liked UK as a stabilizer to Germany, but it couldn't hold Merkel on the carpet alone. So now the urge to leave the EU feels larger than ever. My people never signed up for being a province in an Empire, when it joined EU in 1994. But EU goes into the direction of becoming a state - a state ruled by the worst kakistocracy one could possibly get. Its a shit sandwich without any bread.
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  8. A strong Europe.. so we can bully and opress all tiny nations. A federal Europe when the will of the population in a seperate member country means nothing. A union where neoliberalism is written into the Maastrich treaty, so voting for leftwing policies is pointless - which in turn makes democracy pointless since there is no freedom of choice.
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  9. Only Zimbabwe and Haiti had lower GDP growth than Italy in the decade to 2010. Saying EU had no part in that would be to lie. The EU wanted Greece in the EMU, and not the other way around. And when the Greek crisis happened the EU troika throwed tonnes of salt into the crisis they helped to create with their stupid goldstandard like system. And Spains epic housing bubble would never have happened if Spain never had the Euro and had been able to stop the capital flows into the country that pumped up asset prises - which was later on doomed to come crashing down. Same history with Ireland. Southern Europe would have been fine today without the Euro. They would have keept jobs and economic growth by devalueing their currency a bit. And by doing so they would never had any currency crisis ever - since a currency crisis can only happen to countries who uses a goldstandard or a foreign countrys currency. And some inflation would have also helped to the south to be competative compared to Germany, and it would also reduced the burden of their national debts. So had Europe never adopted the stupid Euro, everyone would probably had been better off economically. But it seems like the elite wanted this shit to fail, so they could push countries into more centralization and into a firmer grip of the Euro project. If this conspiracy is true, then the EU isn't incompentent. Instead its anti-democratic, scumbaggish and evil
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  10. According to the 4 freedoms in the Maastricht treaty every country is forbidden to restrict the markets. Neoliberalism is state religion in the constitution. So if you don't want people fucked over by corporations and value democracy, the welfare state, government control over the economy and workers rights - well, then you should obviously wish for the EU to die.
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  11. Well, you havn't Brexited yet ;-) But yea, I hope you get free from enemy occupation soon.
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  12. The Greek crisis was created by the Euro. They wanted them in. They choosed to ignore their fraud accounting. The Euro lovers said that every country sharing low interest rates with Germany would be a good thing,and that led to overborrowing. But yet, Greece's national debt was no higher than many other countries. It was for example less than half that of Unites States when you adjust for the size of country. The problem only came when the Financial crisis came and pushed the interest rates up world wide, and southern Europe suddenly discovered that they had borrowed so much money that they couldn't afford to pay the new high interest rates. And to make matter worse, the convergence pact forbade the harmed South European economies to do stimulus to stop things from getting worse. EU even wanted to make things even worse by making cutbacks in government spending in the middle of an economic crisis. And normally a country in crisis prints money to pay off its debts and to help companies to pay off their debts and to make their goods cheaper compared to other countries, and to make prices go up so companies can make more profits, and as prices on good go up faster than wages... the buisnesses will have become more profitable. The workers will have a hard time surviving on a fixed income. But on the other hand will they get it easier to pay off old debts with their nominally higher wages. But EU wanted nothing of that. Germany hates inflation, because they are retards who doesn't know economics and are paranoid about inflation because they don't know the difference between inflation and hyperinflation. So EMU is totally dysfunctional. Especially under German leadership. EMU deserves most of the blame for the South European crisis. And they made a small crisis in Greece to a big one. And the disaster in Spain is simply in epic proportions without few comparable examples in history, and it was totally unnecessary and could easily have been prevented by capital controls or other simple measures. But instead Spain is destroyed for decades for no fucking good reason whatsoever.
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  13. As long as Turkey supports shitheads like Erdogan, the country will gain zero respect from the peoples of Europe. That doesn't say it would be possible for Turkey to join the EU. I mean, Merkelwhore and the troika got a long tradition of treason.
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  14. Treason by the political class is the reason why Sweden no longer have leftwing economics. Idiot migration is something that only took absurd proportions the last years. Sweden deregulated the financial markets in the 1980s so capital could move in and out of the country without regulation which lead the economy into dangerous waters. Sweden had also pegged the Krona with the Ecu (the predecessor to the Euro) and with all currency speculation that was possible to the deregulations, the Swedish currency peg came under attack. And the politians was determined to defend Swedens commitment to the Ecu, regardless of how hard the Swedish economy would be hit. So our central bank raised the interest rate to 500%! to defend the Ecu peg. And as a result, Sweden lost half a million jobs - which is a lot for a country with 8 million people. Swedens unemployment rate became record high. But after all damage was done, Sweden abandoned the idea of staying in the Euro-project. And after the crisis, the Swedish government made harsh cuts in our welfare system and lowered taxes for rich people and made taxes for the poor and the middle class higher. And as a solution to get the country out of the troubles the politicians promised the people that EU would be the solution. And since the 1990s Sweden has privatized the post office, our tele communications, our railroads, and Swedish companies has been taken over by competitors in other countries. The marketization of our electric grid had led to an oligopoly, which have pushed up energy prices at the expense of consumers and our manufacturing industry which have lost its advantage over other countries it had with cheap energy. Our wages has havn't increased because our centralbank no longer cares about trying to keep the unemployment rate near 0%, but instead it tries to increase unemployment so the balance between supply and demand doesn't push up wages and inflation, because thats what they say it leads to. But centralbankers are idiots and losers. The workers are now poor and indebted since they can't live off their wages. And since people don't get high wages anymore we can no longer buy anything that our industry produce. And our large private debts are now the highest household debts in the world, which will lead to an economic crash in the future. Companies make record profits, but they cannot use their money for anything, since buying new machines and creating more factories would be pointless if people don't buy more of their products. But they like our policies, since the low wages makes them rich. And our products are cheap on the world markets since our centralbank have made our wages artificially low. So what our companies do is to steal jobs and economic growth from other countries. Like Italy and Greece, who already got weak economies and unemployment. So we just make their problems worse, while our companies and government are fucking our people over. Sweden should export less, not more. We should make our own market stronger. We should pay higher wages. We should tax the rich. And we should stop immigration. And get out of the EU.
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  15. The dream of the elite is to become the United States of Europe. But only a minority of the people supports this idea and thinks it goes too far. I am not sure what pre-civil war united states mean either.
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  16. I rather have a Europe where each country have their own currency, so they can stimulate the economy in bad times, and slowing down inflation in good times so crashes can be avoided. I rather have fair system where a country with high taxes can have good welfare system, without having it destroyed by inflow of people from countries with low taxes. I rather let every country themself decide how many migrants to accept, than forcing the decision down their throats by another country. People who defend the idea of one country deciding over another country, defends imperialism - which is quite ironic since most EU-fanboys hate nationalism, but loves the bad sides of it - which is when one country tries to force their will upon another people. Such EU lovers are hypocrites, imperialists and fascists. I think each country should have their own coscription army designed only for self-defence. Such an army can be made strong at a low cost, which Finland shows perfectly. And what I don't want is an EU army that isn't directly accountable to its own people, and doesn't consist of its own citizens, but rather a mobile proffesional army and foreign troops, such as Gurkhas, the foreign legion or black water troops. Such an army is not designed for self-defence and keeping the peace, but rather for imperialism and colonialism... and attacking poor countries and force our rule upon them, and have them bow down to interests of our large corporations. I think each country have the democratic right to ignore EUs idea of a common market and the four freedoms - which says that Europe must have a market economy. I for my thing want some stateowned companies. I want to nationalize my countries failed private railroad system. I wanna ban all meat from animals that have been mistreated. I want to refuse sharing my countries resources with other EU members. And I wanna scrap EUs harsh laws on intellectual property completly and go back to my own country's old laws..... The list could be made longer, but the point is made. I want my democratic right to do leftwing economic policies that I am prohibited from Neoliberal EU fascists from implementing. .......................... I want a Europe with many small countries, where each country is to a high degree self-suffiecent and produce most of their stuff locally. Peak oil will give us high transportation costs, so it will simply be cheaper to buy stuff from your own country than import it from Asia. Each country choose policies that suits their own interests and traditions, so Nordic countries that are ill adopted to southern tradition of regulating everything will no longer have that problem, and southern countries doensn't have to implement highly unpopular German style of fiscal dicipline. Economic crashes is a thing of the past, when each country is given the tools to prevent them by capital controls and their own central bank. Democracy and freedom and political interest will be increased when people can choose their country's own direction and equality increase. When Northern Europe is forced to abandon the idea of exporting tonnes of goods to Southern Europe with cheap labour, Northern Europe will be forced to make a job creation policy by producing things for their own home market instead. And for that high wages is needed so people can afford buying goods that companies produce. So with higher wages poverty and inequality will go away, companies will make more sales, and hire more people and invest in more machines. The working class is getting stronger, and unemployment will disappear. Southern Europe, will have their industry back when they can help it with inflation and some temporary protectionism. And when Northern Europe doesn't take their jobs and growth they will be helped. And with a currency under their own control, they are now able to pay of their debts with inflation, while inflation also helps them getting out of their hard economic crisis. And by giving them their own manufacturing industry, the productivity in the economy increases, which in turn enables the countries to pay higher wages and higher taxes.
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  17. Yes but our whore politicians will just commit another act of high treason like the have done in the past.
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  18. With the growth of the middle class and drastic reduction in the rate of poverty across the world over the last thirty years, I beg to differ. Everybody comes out better off in a free-trade world. Africa had negative GDP growth this time period and is performing worse on many health parameters such as maternal morbidity. How is that good for economic development? How is this making a world a better place? Argentina and the East bloc got raped by the Washington consensus bloc. And neoliberalism turned Argentina, once one of the rich countries of the planet, into a poor 3rd world shithole. And Russia lost two-thirds of its GDP during Yeltsin and 80% of its farms closed down, and alchol consumption rose, Aids spread along with prostitution, maffia gangs, and drug use. Maybe thats what you mean by neoliberal success stories? Because you certainly cannot take claim for the poverty reductions that have occured in mercantilist economies like China and India, because you yourself say that such policies always are bad. Both countries use a high degree of capital controls. And stateowned banks provide strategic support of certain industries, instead of letting the market allocating the resources. And Chinas total disrespect of intellectual property rights and many stateowned companies makes it impossible to call it a free trade economy. Its just a protectionist East-Asian economy that have copied the mercantilist moderls used by Japan and South Korea. So you simply have no growth and progress to show. Just a shitty world economy with growing inequalities, more crisis and instabilities, and in 2008 the banking system of the world was of the brink of total destruction and had to be saved by the taxpayers. Free market capitalism only worked because it was saved by the taxpayers. Thats what I call a shitty system. Neoliberalism excuse all cutbacks of social services by saying everyone will become better off if we make the pie grow instead of slicing a small pie up and shate it. Growth will be great with neoliberalism, we have been promised. But so far there have been not much to show, and the tiny gains in growth have been insufficent to compensate the losers that was trown under the bus by the neoliberals when they privatized everything. So I rather go back to the protectionist period 1945-75 with harsh capital controls, state directed investments, full employment policies, and a taxsystem that was soft on labour and hard on capital. Growth was stronger 1945-75 than it was during the free trade period 1980-2017. Bringing up examples from the 19th century is simply ingenuous. The world back then was very different. You provide no arguments why everything is different now, but Okay. What about South Korea? What about post-war France? Using modern Russia as an example and comparing it to Hitler just makes me think of Godwin's law. Think what you want. In my eyes, I see economic freedom contrary to human rights time and time again in history. Yeltsin is one example. Pinotchet is another example. Suharto another. George W Bush chockdoctrine in Iraq in another example. The troika bullying of Greece, and IMFs rape of Argentina are other familiar cases. The market reforms in China that lead to the student uprising that was crushed by the military is another example of a fascist regimes marketliberatzation. And Bushs and Thatchers were warmongerers and the first one threw the 4th ammendment in the trashcan and the second brutally knocked down striking workers at Orgreave. Commodification of the economy needs a strong state, because rightwing economic policies are unpopular and the people will oppose them. So the only way to get them through is to use brutal force by the military or police. So extreme neoliberal policies needs a fascist state to succed. Because most people just don't quitely accept to lose their job, all their benifits, being forced to subsidize the rich, see schools and factories close down and see sick and old people getting thrown out on the streets to starve. People will fight back. 60-80.000 leftwingers died in operation Condor. But the neoliberal regime will never win any popularity
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  19. Cmon, the differences isn't that strong as they are in Europe. Don't be silly.
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  20. I also hope Sweden leaves. Our countries can collaborate as equals without any fucking Union. Without any restrictions on how we can rule our interior. Without having ONE economic policy for multiple countries with different demographics, different standars of living, different welfare policies, different sectors of economies, different politics and so fourth... instead each country can set their own currency and interest rate suited for their own country. And neighter do we have to waste money on bureaucracy and giving farm subsidies to big farmers that just skew the market. And no stupid convergence pact have to tell us that we must throw salt into the wounds, in an economic downturn. And neighter is there any stupid budget rule that incentivice military spending by exempt it from the rules of the convergence pact, as EU is planning to make a rule about. EU is simply useless. If countries wanna cooperate we can cooperate without an EU, and we don't have to participate in cooperation in areas we don't want to cooperate on.
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  21. We voted no to EMU. But it doesn't matter, because EU doesn't care about democracy. Its in the Maastricht treaty that EVERY COUNTRY MUST ADOPT THE EURO, and the question is only when. Thats why you sometimes can see EU friendly muppets saying in our newspapers that we should ignore the vote since we have already promised to join the EMU. And furthermore, we have also joined the totally idiotic, and totally unnecessary "economic target" (also known as the convergence pact"). Without any democratic vote as usual, of course.
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  22. Before the Euro, a country like Greece could devalue their currency and get out of their economic mess by increasing their exports with a cheap currency and the loans could be repaid with inflation and extra exports. The borrowers would get repaid, and the economy would recover. -But doing things this way doesn't work today, because Greece doesn't control their own currency, but instead they use a currency that they share with other countries. So why doesn't states in America have the same problems as European countries that are overindebted? Because there is a flow of money from the rich to the poor states/countries. The American dollarsystem is different in that way. And that is why the current Euro model is doomed to fail. The indebted countries are forced to tighten their belts, and that leads to a declining economy, and falling prices... which makes it even harder to pay off debts. So the rich northern Europe will also be harmed by Trichets stupid design, and not getting loans repaid, and exports will fall when Southern Europe is forced into austarity. And you are right that this problem could be fixed if there was any political will. But the people don't want any United States of Europe. So if the USE-option is off the table there are only two options left: Either we scrap the Euro..... or we keep the status quo, and let this Frankenstein currency live on and cause tremendous harm, and killing all economic growth in Europe and cause so much destruction that Golden dawn parties rise up all over Europe, and scrap the Euro-project entirely. Furthermore do I think that the Eurozone economy is way too complicated to merge over night. And when neoliberal economic policies is written into the very constitution and law of Europe, then I have absolutly no hope of the Europroject. The economy will be doomed to fail because of that alone. And if you are forbidden to have leftwing policies by law, then what is the point in having democracy? - None. I for my part want both democracy and leftwing economic policies, so for me its obvious that I wish the EU to die. EU have idiotic neoliberal fiscal policies that are almost impossible to change because they need approval from all memberstates to change the constitution. And the monetary policies are idiotic and doomed to fail as well, mainly because of the stupidity of deflationary fiscal policies, but also because the Euro is basicly designed like a stupid goldstandard system. A country that controls its own currency will always be able to pay its own debts, while a country under a goldstandard will go broke - like Greece.
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  23. A stable currency is the bedrock for finance and industry. Without it nobody can plan ahead and make investments that promote future growth Look at history. During the Keynesian era 1945-75 the world had ZERO soverign debt crisis. And just a dozen banking crises. And then the world tried this neoliberal bullshit recipy you are propagating between 1980-2017... with over 200 crisis following it, including a long list of sovereign debt crisis. (Source: Kenneth Rogoff - This time is different). We tried all that bullshit. We scrapped democratic control over the central bank, that instead became politically independent. And the central banks abandoned the goals of economic growth and full employment, and instead targeted low inflation like you want. And governments have written into their constitutions that they need balanced budgets - with deflation and a stagnant economy as a consequence. Without it nobody can plan ahead and make investments that promote future growth. Facts doesn't support your claim. There is a difference between inflation or even high inflation on one hand, and hyperflation on the other hand. Brazil and South Korea in the 1960s and China the recent decade all had very high inflation and very high high growth. Loans are great when you can invest the money into the future and pay it off with the gains, but if you manipulate your currency and screw your debtors then who's going to loan you money in the future? Investors come to countries with strong economic growth so I am not worried. Secondly I wanna say that debtors can accept to get 80-90% of their money back by a little bit of inflation helping the economy. Or we can do like in your way of doing things, and get a deflationary collapse so A cannot pay B so B doesn't have enough money to pay C, so C also goes bankrupth and unable to pay D, so D can't pay E. People agrees to wage cuts to save their jobs, which means that they get less money to spend, so companies make less sales and have to cut back even more... and fire workers, lower wages. Which in turn leads to even more people having no income to spend, so the companies have to cut back even more.... and the circle goes around and round. This is what we have seen in the west. The governments are cutting back and trying to take in more money than they spend - which cause deflation. And when people sees their incomes fall they must start to borrow money to survive. The wages have been stagnant in America the last 3 decades, while people are getting overindebted. Sweden got one of the lowest national debts in Europe, but that is because the households are the most overindebted in Europe. Swedish companies make record profits, but the wage share out of value added has fallen from 78% to 56% since 1978. So your stupid shit-policies have ironically helped the governments getting rich by crushing the people. I think that is kind of ironic, since rightwingers claim to hate the government and care for the individual more and say that the real economy is what matters rather than whats going on with the government. Sweden and Germany are the parasites in Eurozone. They export much and import little. They keep wages artificially low so jobs and economic growth can be stolen from other countries. And this is a reason why EU suck. Without this Euro nonsense, South European countries could just do some protectionism and devalue their currencies and keep their jobs and growth for themselves - which they now need more than ever. While Germany and Sweden would be forced to rely on their own home markets instead. And with high wages people wouldn't be forced into debt-traps and the financial parasite sector would be very small. And standards of living would be high when wages are high, and technological development would increase since strong consumer demand and expensive well paid workers would be more profitable to replace with computers and robots. And the world economy would be more stable without all debt, and without strong over-dependencies on foreign markets. And with local production, the world economy would also be more prepared for peak oil.
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  24. The Euro crisis would have happened even if the best economists in the world had ruled in Europe, simply because no monetary union in history can exist without a fiscal union. And combined with Trichets retarded ideas of balanced budgets, low inflation then EU was doomed to fail from the start. A country either needs a national debt of the government, or having the private sector and the people going into debt... but Eurocrat retards doesn't understand this when they demand low national debt. And retarded German EU-fanboys does also neighter understand that not all countries can be like Germany and export more than they import. Without an importer like Greece, Germany couldn't export. And wthout any debts, you cannot have any assets.. and everyone will be dirtpoor. And when people don't have any money to spend on buying goods, then companies will cut down production, close factories and get rid of workers.... which in turn gives the people even less money to spend, which leads to even more factories to close down. This is what balanced budget amendments from the EU leads to: A deflationary crash. And then there are of course other reasons why the Euro project is retarded, such as the idea of free capital flows across borders and having one interest rate for 19 different countries with extremely different economies. And when EU screw up, they always use their failure as an excuse to grab even more power at the expense of the national governments... just the same way as the free movement across borders lead to more criminality across borders, and then the EU used it as an excuse to take over the decision making over the police from the governments. And now after the EU failure, the EU is talking about creating a fiscal union and continue their building of the United States of Europe against the will of the people, instead of scrapping the failed EU project that cannot survive in its current form. Because as I said earlier - there is not a single succesful historical example of a monetary union existing without a fiscal union.
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  25. Exactly.
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  26. And a New Yorker can talk with someone from California. But some dude in Finland can't talk with a Greek or a Portugease or someone from Poland. Your country doesn't have any long history and culture. But Europe has. Our societies are differently formed, with different political systems, and the people got different political ideals. Europes diversity is certainly larger then that of America. And the more countries that is merged, the more likely is the failure. And why should I have my country ruled by a German I never voted for? And why should a Germany obey what others tell them? Why not just people decide for their own countries? Would you be happy if America was ruled by Saudiarabia? And would you like to rule other countries like an imperialist?
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  27. Its just like the United States and the dollar. And when the Federal reserve change the money supply, then some states in America benifits, while other lose. But since America is a country, the rich countries compensate the poor by taking out taxes from the rich states and give to the poor. And in that way America avoids ripping itself apart. In the EU, there is no such tax and spend system. So the only option is to create such a system and transfer the little democracy that is left in our countries to the EU. Or the Euro project dies. I for my part prefer democracy to dysfunctional economic project.
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  28. My advice Norway is that you never join the EU. Are you afraid of losing influence in European affairs by not joining? Well I can say that Sweden (which is twice as large) got no say at all in Brussels. And that despite the fact that we also pay in more money into the system than we get back from it. Norway is a patriotic country that has always loved freedom, you didn't even wanna be in a union with Sweden in the 1800s despite all generous treatment and trade deals. So losing sovereignty is not worth it. Especially not if you wanna keep being able to do leftwing economic policies.
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  29. I for my thing don't want to be a part of a union where France and Germany got 100% of all power, and dictating everything to my country how we should rule it. I don't wanna share my natural resources. I am not willing to permanently destroy the drinking water and nature of Jämtland only because European industry wants cheap uranium for their nuclear industry for a few years. And having the convergence pact is objectivly stupid, and all countries aren't winners like you say, but rather the opposite because a country cannot stimulate the economy during an economic downturn. Instead its getting caught in a deflationary deathtrap with falling demand for goods, which makes factories laying people off which causes even more falling demand...and the destructionary circle keeps rolling on and destroying the economy. EU also prevents rational planning of healthcare, since citizens in country A can go to country B for healthcare. So a scumbag country which refuses to pay high taxes can get healthcare for their citizens just by sending them to another country. I am not saying this is a thing yet in EU, but that is how courts have ruled. Which is both morally wrong, and fucks up the healthcare systems since they aren't designed to deal with populations larger than their own country. And I for my thing wants protectionism, because thats what have been working historically. And EU prevents thats. Just like the four freedoms and the rules of the common market forbids a member country from nationalizing the railroads, even if most people in a country wants it - simply because that would be socialism instead of a market economy. And this neoliberal bias makes all leftwing economic policies impossible to implement. And since I am a leftwinger, I see this as a reason why the EU must die. Swedens railroads are a national embarrassment, even Indian tourists wonder what fucking country this is when there is leaking toilet water on the floor of every passanger wagon, and why most trains gets deleyd. Often times with hours. And local authorities are also restricted in this failed EU project. A school in Sweden wanted extra high standards of the welfare of the pigs that became meat after wishes from students and parents. But EU rules prevented this from happening, because demanding such standards would be "unfair competition". Because price is the only thing that should be measured according to EU. And animal welfare can fuck off. And likewise can't you tag your meat you sell in a grocery store with a sign that tells the consumers that the animals hasn't been tortured in a factory farm (like most animals are nowadays). Why? Because that would be "unfair competition". So having a free market where consumers can make the best choices with all information available is anti-free market according to EU - which seems to defend mighty economic interest rather than the interests of small producers, consumers and the welfare of animals. - And to that I say, fuck you EU with a trillion demon dicks from hell. And as I said earlier, some protectionism can be good the economy. Historically has the world economy grown faster in periods of protectionism and regulations than during periods of free trade. And not only that, individual countries need it from time to time to develop their industries. Southern Europe has suffered hard when cheap industrial goods from Northern Europe have stolen jobs and economic growth from them. And without their own currency to inflating their national debts down and to push wages downwards, their economies have gone into hard economic troubles thanks to the open inflows of goods. And if Southern Europe goes down, then Northern Europe will suffer as well. So free trade isn't the answer. We have to look for other ways. EU has just created hate between north and south with their stupid policies, and those tensions you talked about, well they are stronger now than ever. When they didn't exist 20 years ago.
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  30. In the Maastricht treaty it was agreed upon that all EU countries must adopt the Europ, the question is only when. And since Swedish politicians also signed Sweden up for the banking union without asking the people if they are willing to bailout the Euro when it fails, you can say that Sweden is a Euro member that only doesn't have switched over to the Euro yet.
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  31. Sometimes I wish Putin could take over Sweden
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  32. Confederate States of Europe........ The Holy European Empire
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  33. I have nothing against trade. I am just not a dogmatic believer in free trade. Most countries rich in the world have started with protectionism while they industrialized their country. And after the infant industry had grown strong and competative all protection was dropped because it was no longer needed. What free trade fanboys say is simply unhistorical. Besides the Netherlands and Switzerland are there hardly any country that have gone from economic freedom to becoming rich. In fact, there are much more examples on how free trade have fucked up countries economies. What the IMF have done to the Eastbloc, Latin America and Africa are genocides caused by dogmatic disasterCapitalism. Yeltsin killed more Russians than Hitler with his economic reforms. If protectionism is always so bad, then I wonder why England become the first industrialized country in the world when they had much higher tariffs than most European countries 1780-1820. And I also wonder how America could be the fastest growing economy in the world during the 1800s, despite having the highest average tariffs in the world. And why Sweden was the fastest growing economy in the world 1890-1914 measured in GDP per workhour, despite having the highest tariffs in the world. (Source: Kicking away the ladder, by proffessor Ha-Joon Chang) Just because rich countries have free trade today, doesn't mean that they always had free trade. Moreover, does not even the great exporters like Japan, China and Germany want 100% free trade. They want it just as little as they want 100% protectionism. All countries want free trade in industries they are strong and competative in, and in those industries that they haven't yet fully built up their industrial capacity to being fully competative they want protectionism in instead.
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  34. If you look at most of the metrics that matter you will see that Africa as a whole has slowly become a force to be reckoned with on the international arena. Even if you put all Subsahran African countries togheter you still got a GDP smaller than that of France. And people in Africa are 15-20 times poorer than an American or European. According to Piketty. And as mentioned earlier, Cambridge professor Ha-Joon Chang have data that shows that subsahran Africa actully declined during 20 years of free trade and neoliberalism. Even according to the numbers of the World Bank themselves did Subsahran Africas GDP fall by 0,7% between 1989 and 1999. And worst of all, is the destruction of Africas emerging industries that started to grow strongly during the 1960s and 70s. And without industries you cannot get a country to become rich. So now Africa mostly depends on exporting raw materials to the west - which doesn't pay as well and doesn't contribute to a knowledge economy and high productivity that enables high wages. Show me one country that have industrialized with out strong state support. You can't. And if you really think Africas future lies in exporting raw materials, then I ask where is this country that have gotten rich by selling broccoli? I for my part think natural resources is a blessing for a country, and it helped USA and Sweden a lot when those countries tried to industrialize. But if USA and Sweden just never tried to build their own steel industry, paper industry, chemical industry, mechanical tool industry and so fourth.. but instead just selling wood, iron ore and coal, then USA and Sweden would still be poor countries today. Oil can run out. Fish stocks can be depleted. Top soil can be exhausted. And not only is it dangerous to only rely on exporting raw materials because they can run out. People can also invent ways of replacing them. In the 1800s producing dye from insects was a profitable buisness, but then chemists started to invent synthetic dye and the entire insect dye industry in America just died off. And today Africa is suffering from the same dangers as America, as food companies as starting to replace sugar and vanilla with synthetic substitutes, and the imports from Africa and the prices on their products are falling which causes balance of payments problems and a trade deficit and growing national debts. And if 200% debt to GDP ratios are considered unpayble for rich countries, then 300% for poor African countries is even worse. And its not only vanilla and sugar we in the west import less of. Western companies now begin to try to use replacements for palm oil and cacao as well. And we no longer have any need for enormous amounts of copper anymore when we in the rich countries are switching over to communication by a fibre and wireless telecommunication. So some countries are digging up their old copper net cables and dump the copper on the world market so copper prices are falling like a rock due to increased supply. No thanks to protectionism or backward ideologies. The idea of the self-regulating market was considered junk science only 30 years ago, since it lost all its credibility during the stockmarket crash in 1929 and the great depression. But when this shitty ideology was about to die off and Hayek was about to die as a forgotten man, then some rightwingers like Thatcher brushed the dust off those old free market ideas that was rusting on the scrapheap of history and presented them as the most recent scientific discovery. I am a pragmatic person. I look what have worked in the past and say we can use those ideas. And when I see that some ideas didn't workout well in the past or in the present, I suggest that we abandon them. Protectionism have worked many times, while Free trade has rarely ever made a developing country rich. I'm sure you already know about him, but you should take a page out of Hans Rosling's book and be a little bit more optimistic. Hans Rosling is an intellectually dishonest pro-refugee aslicker who calls the Sweden Democrats racist, and then later on admits that they were right all along and supports their policies. Furthermore is he a believer in the idea that everyone on the planet can have the same standard of living as we in the western world - which is just a silly thought, since there are not enought resources to build all those cars, stereos and hula hoops for everyone. He also says that everyone can afford them in the future because innovation will make prices fall and each phone will consume less resources to build. Which just shows that the guy was totally ignorant of the concept of Jevons paradox - which says that energy/resource consumption will increase when more energy effiecent things are invented. The very opposite is so to say true of what this muppet says.
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  35. And I can forgive Americans for saying so. People usally refer to Asians as Chinease, even if not all of em are from China. And likewise do Asians refer to all western countries as Americans, because we all seem so similiar to an untrained eye. We are usally whites and dressed a smiliar way and such, but after a while a person learns the differences between the peoples.
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  36. Money is debt
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  37. Στέφανος Καρ, I agree 100%
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  38. Many places on the internet says that all countries has to adopt the Euro by 2020.
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  39. And the Maastricht treaty says all EU members has to join the EMU.
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  40. But why you want a civil war? Did the shit on balkans in the 1990s look pretty? Its not like hollywood movie with flags, colourful uniforms, and happy military music.. people in America needs to think before they cries for a revolution. And despite Americas population was much smaller in 1860s than what it is today, the American civil war still costed more lives than any other war in American history. So things doesn't seem worth it. I guess dividing up the red and blue states would be a better solution.... but hey, I am not an American, so I am not someone who tell you what to do.
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  41. You miss the point. I am pointing at the way of how Europe are doing decision making. Its not based on friendship between nations, but only on distrust and stupid rules such as the convergence pact. EU has abandoned the subsidiarity principle, and can therefore no longer be described as a voluntary cooperation between nation, but more like a centralplanned club of nations. EU is not an À la carte menu where you can pick those things that you want, its more like a menu where you are forced to eat of every plate on the table, so if you want some spaghetti, then you are forced to eat the Sauerkraut and schwarzwald cake as well.
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  42. An undemocratic susperstate with enormous military and economic power. What can possibly go wrong?
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  43. There are good things that the EU has done as well, but nothing stops the European countries from cooperating and achieve the same stuff without this club. And as a whole I think the downsides has been larger than the upsides with the EU. I want cooperation but not a Union. And since I come from a small country, I never felt any need for my country to have voice on the international stage or ruling the world and shit like that. I don't see EU as needed for peace in Europe either. And economic globalization is nothing new in history and the nationstates managed that well in the 1800s and 1900s and would do so even in the future. But this thing with EMU and the convergence pact has just been an utter disaster for the PIIGS-countries, and in extent even for us in northern Europe. It has also made the global trade imbalances worse, since Germany and Sweden export way too much, while Southern Europe are way too dependent on imports. So nothern Europe gets more vulnerable of economic crises, and southern Europe gets their jobs and growth stolen by us north Europeans.
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  44. Atleast the American government respects the voting results of its people, while the EU ignored the fact that people have downvoted the new constitution in France, Netherlands and Ireland. And because it was likely that more countries would vote it down as well, the political establishment decided to sign the Lisbon treaty (the renamed constitution) without consent of the people. And neighter does the EU care about following its own constitution (laws only apply to peasants) just 2 months after it was put into effect, EU ignored it so they could make an illegal bailout of Greece. And neighter did a single membership country succesfully follow the convergence pact requirements during the Euro crisis. And nor is the Schengen agreement followed today. So there are not much upsides, but many downsides of being an EU member. And I just wish my country back because I wanna have my laws written in my own country. I wanna have economic policies suitable for my country, and not for a monetary union which is doomed to fail. And I don't want have my country prohibited from making any economic policies that goes against neoliberal dogma. For example do I want a nationalization of the railroads, but rules in the Maastrich treaty forbids that. So even if I get 100% popular support for this reform, my country is in theory forbidden to implement this policy. And most people in my country doesn't want the Euro, and have voted against joining the EMU. But according to the rules of the Maastricht treaty, that doesn't matter. So all what it takes is an asshole politician to push us into the union, and then we are forbidden from taken back our decision. Little wonder then that people gets fed up and vote to Brexit.
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  45. OK. I see that you are on the neoliberal kool aid. I realize further discussion is pointless.
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  46. Spain, Ireland, Latvia, Greece.. yeah great economy. And quality of life with austarity, a neoliberal constitution, unretricted immigration that cause crime, housing shortages, terrorist attacks and an overload social services system. Plus all attacks on our civil liberties in the name of fighting copyright infringement, fake news, hate speech, childporn and terrorism and other bad excuses. EU is a monster that needs to die.
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  47. Have I said all Americans are like that? No.
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  48. It could be an empire.*
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  49. Barosso says EU is an empire. Something I think its quite ironic, since EU muppets hates nationalism because they confuse it with imperialism - and now they themselves support the idea.
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  50. My country doesn't write most of its own laws. When the people voted to join the EU it was before things changed in the EU - and the people was never asked about the abandonment of the subsidarity principle, or the abolishment of Swedens long tradition of neutrality, and I am not happy about guaranteeing the bankingsystem of Europe in a crisis - especially not when Sweden isn't and Euro member and got nothing to do with that shit. Our politicians should be thrown in jail for high treason for signing this shit without asking the people And now tiny Swedens politicians togheter with Merkel tries to bully other EU members to take in refugees against their will. Whish is an intrucion into other countries souvereignty if you ask me. But I know that fucktards like you don't even get that concept, or the concept or the concept of democracy that the Merkel whore doesn't give a crap about. We seen what EU did to Greece when they got rid of the democratically elected government and replaced it with technocrats. That was simply a forceful annexation. And every person defending such an act deserves to be shot for high treason. The EU is an empire. The only way it can have its own county and own people is to destroy my own country. And if the choice is between EU and Sweden, the choice is simple. EU needs to die. Because I don't want other people to decide over my country. And neighter do Sweden have the fucking right to force its will down the throats of people in Eastern Europe or any other country. They should decide shit for themselves, and its not in my fucking buisness to tell them what to do with their own country.
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  51. Read before you respond dumbass
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  52. Did you even bother reading your own link? It said Greece put an elected person as their president. And why? Because of pressures from the EU. It was all about saving EMU, and when the choice was between keeping EMU or keeping democracy in Greece, EU choosed "fuckk the Greek people". Because the Greek people was never in favour of the austarity measures, so EU could never have gotten its will through in a democratic way. Thats the reason why they created a new government of unelected bankers and technocrats. Greece simply became an occupied country. Not much different from the Nazi-German occupation of the country (besides from all the murdering of people, censorship etc... we are now talking about the economic control over the country).
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  53. EU is a democracy Non transparancy and non-accountability is a common thing among many EU institutions, furthermore the maastricht treaty forbids all leftwing economic policies.. so its basicly a union where only one type (the neoliberal) of policies is allowed to have, the parliament can't propose new laws on its own but is just an advisory instance, the constitution was accepted despite it was downvoted 3 times and most countries never had any popular vote wheather it should be accepted or not, I could go on, but after talking to numerous Europhiles I feel like I just waste my time, since reality doesn't matter. You can claim EU is a democracy all you want. But with this shit, you will never be able to convince me. Sweden decided to join the Union and can leave whenever. It feels nice to say that we finally can agree upon one thing. In my opinion the only good thing about the Lisbon treaty was that new clausul that allows a country to leave the union if it wish. And I hope my country will use that clausul as soon as possible :)
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  54. Preterea censeo EU delenda est.
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  55. And no country upheld the convergence pact during the financial crisis. And the new constitution was just a few months old when they throw the rules out the window and made an illegal bailout of Greece. There is absolutly no reason to take EU seriously on their commitments. And the EU leaders are mad of powerhunger.
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  56. Globalization is nothing new, and nationstates handled it well in the past so there is actully no need for it. On the contrary I believe localized production will become a necessary thing when oil prices begins to go up and it is getting too expensive to transport things all over the world.
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  57. Its a junta occupying my country.
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  58. Good Question Dias Amreé. I consider myself as a Swede, and I consider other people in Europe as Germans, Brits, Frenchmen and so on. Secondly I am an European, but not a subject of the European Union - which lacks democratic legitimacy in my eyes. I like my country, but I don't like the idea of imperialism.
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  59. Brexit will lead to Germany starting world war 3 and earth will open up underneath us and swallow entire cities into a stormy ocean of lava. This thing will atleast be 10 times worse for Europe than the fall of the Roman Empire.
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  60. I read the things about the pigs in a Swedish book called "Matens pris". So I cannot post any sources. regretfully
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  61. Source?
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  62. The economic target is in the convergence pact - no higher national debt than 60% of GDP and no large budget deficit than 3%. Which just shows that EU leaders either are complete idiots who doesn't understand that the national debt has to increase for the economy to grow. Or they just created this union for fun because they like mess with people.
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  63. EU och våra politiker sket i Svenska folkets vilja angående Lissabonfördraget, den nya frölagen och annat så varför i helvete skulle de bry sig i någon backlash?
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  64. The Allmighty Holy European Empire
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  65. America should shut up in European affairs. Fucking colony.
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  66. Norwegians, swiss, belorussians are Europeans as well according to most people. So when EU-fanboys talk like EU and Europe are the same thing, then I say that the burden of proving that sits on their shoulders. And of course they can't prove it, because there are no such objective definition about what Europe is. There are for example many different opinions on the matter if Turkey is an European country. So if no one can draw the line where Europe starts and where it ends, then this talk is just pointless. Is Turkey in Europe? what about Armenia? or Russia? or Morocco? or Cyprus? And if cultural values is our shared heritage, then what are those values? Merkel said that EU and Europe was based on Christianity. I for my part is not a christian, so that must mean that I am unEuropean like most people in the Nordic countries. So I hope you will kick us out from the EU. Some say that democracy and enlightment ideas such as human rights are European things. But much of European history havn't been like that. The inquisition and the holocaust are European things as well. I am not one of those who think that the white man are the reason for all bad in this world, I am just here pointing out the childish intellectually lazy rethortic from the Europhiles, who think doing away with the nationstate is the solution to all problems. If all countries are united under EU we will have peace and happiness, just like under Rome or the Third Reich. And if people just trade and share a currency, then war will be impossible....... except for the fact that history in the past is filled with a trillion civil wars between people who share currency and trade and even more things than the peoples of Europe share.
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  67. Actually there is a very objective and official definition of Europe No thats my point, some definitions aren't the same as geography and focus for example on historical, and cultural aspects of whats "European". And Morocco, are you kidding? It's definietly Africa A part of Africa belongs to Spain. And Spain belongs to Europe. So why don't Morocco belong to Europe as well? Though it managed to bring some peace and it isn't a bad thing. Thats just propaganda. EU haven't brought any peace at all. Furthermore wasn't it created as a peace project... thats just Europhile rewriting of history and fakenews. It was created as a way to re-militarize Germany after World War 2, on the wishes of USA... and in order to get France to accept this thing Germany had to leave the control over her industry into the hands of an international authority that France had influence over. This was during the cold war, and EU was created as bloc against the East. And another reason for the EU was the decolonization of the old European empires. And after the loss of the Suez canal, some European countries felt butthurt about losing power and influence in the world. * the old european countries are pretty much quite small and unimportant players from a geopolitical point of view.* So what? My country Sweden doesn't have dominate the world like we did in the 1600s with economic and military power. I say grow the fuck up. To hell with all your stupid imperial dreams. Well enough that Russia put a great effort in spreading anti-EU propaganda in Europe and to boost the nationalist tendencies there Maybe its you who are the idiot who believe in propaganda. In my ears you sound like a fucking Alex Jones when you say that tiny country like Russia manipulates everything that is going on in Europe and USA. You need to stop watching old James Bond movies. Its 2017, and Russia is no longer a superpower. Russias GDP even smaller than that of Spain despite their hard economic crash. If you seriously mean that a tiny country like Russia controls the world, then you are a clueless idiot.
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  68. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceuta
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  69. What you and I think is irrelevant. My point is rather that Europes borders are different to different people. I don't consider Israel to be a part of Europe, but others will say that they are a part of the Judo-Christian sphere. And people have their own opinions on a Turkish EU-membership. Some people say that a muslim country doesn't belong in the EU, while others say that islam have had a place in Europe long before many nationstates, since muslims came to Spain over a thousand years ago, and large muslim populations also existed in the balkans. Morocco have tried to join the EU twice but failed. Greenland joined the EU along with Denmark, but left it in 1985. So does Chechnya and Armenia belong to Europe? Well I have seen the later country participate in Eurovision song contest with a few good songs, but I don't know if they belong to Europe. And when it comes to EU countries, I can see large differences between them in their views upon abortion, political traditions and values so it would be hard to make the case that Europe has a European culture that could be easily defined. Sweden, what will reinstate conscription soon an seriously considering joining the NATO aswell, just because that "tiny Russia" looked that direction... I don't know what I've been expecting. Politicians fearmongering. I have no trust in Swedish politicians. And a Russian invasion is far-fetched. To begin with must Russia try to invade Finland and Nato to get to Sweden first - which seems quite suicidal and stupid from a Russian perspective. And if they were for some reason were trying to make an amphibous operation instead, they wouldn't even have enough ships to transport enough men to defeat Swedens tiny army. Especially not in good defensive terrain. Furthermore do I think its unlikely that Russia would occupy a country unopposed by the west, especially since the high-treason politicians already have signed Sweden into a defensive military alliance when they signed the Lisbon treaty.
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  70. User, France (an EU member) was involved in the war in Algeria - a country which is also in the European zone of interest as it is a neigbouring country to many EU memberstates on the other side of the Mediterranean sea. And Libya is also a neighbour to EU. And jets from EU member states bombed it as a part of western imperialism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op%C3%A9ration_Harmattan
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  71. Sweden had peace for 200 years without any EU. And France and Germany had long periods of peace without any EU. And without EU, Germany wouldn't attacked France anyways because of all Nato troops positioned in central Europe. If make the silly claim that it is in French and German peoples DNA to wanna fight wars against each other, you are the one who has to prove it since you are the one of us two who makes the silliest claim. "All the wars you have listed above weren't between member states" 1968–1998 The Troubles Furthermore wasn't there much wars in Europe between Napoleon and the First World War. But just ignore that fact and pretend that we never had peace in Europe before EU, and lets pretend that mutually assured destruction between Naro and the Warzaw pact had nothing to do with preventing another World War. And lets pretend that free trade and globalization prevents all Wars, despite World War 1 proves that it doesn't.
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  72. Its morally right to rise up under certain circumstances. I don't condemn villages for rising up against ISIS or polish jews rising up in the Warsaw Ghetto against the Germans. And even if it isn't unlawful territory, it can still be right to rise up even if the government got its by legal means. But if we just talk about the legal aspect of it, I don't think a state can win a legal case for the right to cede from the union. And any attempt of a state to do so by illegal means will be met by blackhawk helicopters and tanks. But if the elite feels threatened enough it will be willing to make concessions. Just like Scandinavia got welfare systems and democracy after World War 1, since the elite feared that the communist revolution would spread unless they took some steam out of peoples anger. And similiar things happened in the rest of Europe and America at the same time.
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  73. Do some of your states have their own currencies? Do the states of America have their own military? Do each state have their own launguage, history, culture, values, customs, traditions food, music, dances, theathers, litterature? The answer is no.
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  74. Written rules is only something you need when there is mutual distrust between people. In real love or friendship relationships you don't need rules, you let people just handle things their own ways and trust that they keep their words. Like the Russo-Chinease co-operation, which is the polar opposite of EU.
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  75. EUFOR Eurocorps
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  76. Europhiles think EU is perfect, and the reason why it isn't working is very clear to them. According to the Germans the EU would be working perfectly if the damn Greeks didn't screw things up. But according to the Greeks its the opposite reason why the EU isn't working - EU would be working perfectly if it wasn't for those damn Germans. But as a skeptic myself, I don't blame neighter Greece or Germany. This crisis was both wholly predictable and indeed inevitable, and economists from left to right warned for it even before EMU came to being. Having a common monetary policy for many countries with so different economies was never a good idea to begin with, and taking away the abilities for each country to control its own currency and interest rate have just been devestating. Another of Trichets idiocies was the disinflation policies, which among other things include the convergence pact that encourages austarity programs to throw salt into the wounds of a harmed economy. No monetary union without a fiscal union has ever worked in history. Neighter the latin monetary union and not even the Scandinavian currency union despite the economies were much quite similiar.
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  77. Vaidas Šukauskas First of all, when I said nationstates did well in the two last centuries, I was refering to the economic miracles we had with national development strategies and protectionism. Free trade has been said that it will stop all wars because countries will become so dependent on each other that war will become nearly impossible. But that's simply not true. The world trade in 1914 was equally high as it was in the late 1990s. We had open borders between all European countries so people could travel without any passport. And all European countries were connected to each with a common currency (gold)........just like today. But yet, the war in 1914 happened anyways. And responding to the oppression by monarchies is a strawman not worth wasting my time on. The post-Napoleon 1800s was overall a peaceful period in Europe, atleast more peaceful than the post-world warII period in Europe. And it was possible without any EU. France and Germany didn't go to war either every 25 years like the Europhiles seems to think. Germany and France had 44 years of peace without any EU in 1871. And it would probably had been even longer if wasn't for bad luck. Loving your country isn't a problem. Imperialism is the problem. And EU is an empire - that was what Barroso (the ex-maoist leader of the European commission) himself said. EU wants to opress small countries, just like the Soviets and Nazi-Germany and other empires. And yes, I know that there are significant and important differences. But nevertheless, has EU got many similiarities. Germany and France are treating small countries like expendable chesspieces on the diplomatic chessboard. Merkel is suggesting that Eastern European countries should be forced to take in migrants against their own will. EU overthrow the democratically elected government in Greece, so the Greek economy could be controlled by a technocratic junta. And the new EU constitution got rejected by the peoples of Europe, but EU refused to accept the election result and implemented it anyways above the heads of the peoples of Europe. The European Court of Justice have also ruled that the European Union can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and of leading figures... and thereby sweeping away our civil liberties. And EU says nothing when Spain criminalizes protests, following the the economic crisis created by EU and the austerity measures implemented - as a will by the EU. EU is imperialist and undemocratic. Its destructive economic policies have created the rise rightwing forces such as the golden dawn. It has put Southern Europe and the East bloc against Germany. EU has sided with Ukrainian neo-nazis while it messes up our relationship with Russia. All those developments can hardly being said to promote peace.
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  78. The capitol of the 4th reich starts with a B...
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  79. We need a big empire to rule the world and shit for prestige and dominance over third world countries
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  80. I rather have my country invaded by Putin than that
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  81. Do you seriously think humanity is ready for that? I don't think democracy would work well when most are religious fools and sees women as 2nd class citizens and is very reactionary in general. And what would voters in China and India care about having their voting decisions smashing a tiny country on the other side on the earth to pieces? And the only way to get laws obeyd and accepted by everyone would probably demand a harsh police state. Muslims cannot accept having their prophet insulted, while insulting religion is a natural part of freedom of speech in western countries. And regardless if you make it legal or illegal you will get millions of people rioting on the streets. I prefer the à la carte approach to things. Each country and people only cooperate in things they wanna cooperate in. If some countries for example wanna have economic cooperation but not having any cooperation with foreign policy, immigration, enviroment etc.. I think they should be able to do so. Thats good for democracy. And if some countries just wanna have military cooperation, they shouldn't have to sign up for tonnes of other shit they don't want. Its simply like going to the resturant and order the things you want for yourself instead of letting others decide for you. Todays EU is nothing like that. If you just wanna have a muffin you are then also forced to eat the pork with mintsauce and an entire kettle with soup as well.
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  82. Your system guarantees conflict as I displayd in my first post. When one people forces their will upon another people you will have conflict. Just as Germanys relation with Greece have been harmed, and as Germany also have been fighting with Eastern Europe over refugees and refusing to accept the democratic will of the people. If that's the system you want, then you are an imperialist and fascist.
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  83. EU is not same as Europe. Norway Britain Switzerland, Belarus and Ukraine are all European countries, But they are not members of the EU.
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  84. American people elects their president for the Union. The Union elects their presiden for the European peoples.
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  85. Confederate States of Europe
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  86. In a Union the countries have given up all their Sovereignty. A Confederacy is a union where all the countries have maintained their Sovereignty.
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  87. I took my defintion straight from the Swedish wikipedia
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