Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Into Europe"
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Europe will not get any high tech firms because every member country are not allowed to do infant industry protection and impose tariffs to protect their own high tech companies from foreign competition - and that leads to they are getting destroyed before they have a chance to grow. The chicken dies before it even has a chance to hatch from its shell so to say.
State support of certain companies is also forbidden according to EUs neoliberal dogmatic constitution. So this alternative solution when you cannot use tariffs cannot be used either. And hidden indirect stat support through military spending will not be effective and probably not enough to help any tech companies grow. Not even if military budgets grew by a lot with the Ukraine war.
So the EU have destroyed itself with its libertarian dogma. And since all this dogma is written into EUs constitution is there no way this problem can be fixed in the coming decades. Its probably easier for a country to just make a Brexit if it wants a new industrial policy that isn't a f***ked up failure.
Europe got talents in tech. No company can make high tech weapons like SAAB, Clipdrop is good at AI art, Germany is good at making music programs like Logic, Cubase, Magix and then do Sweden also have some famous computer games like Battlefield 1942, Candycrush, Minecraft, and it have Paradox Interactive, Pewdiepie, Pirate bay, Klarna, Spotify.
So Europe got smart people. But it has never been able to create a single tech gigant equal to Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon.
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@xazorus9229
"Right, but you wont ever that military."
By this argument you make you can just as well say USA will never be fully self-suffiecent in arms production either. All armies in the world are filled with outdated crappy equipment, while some are worse off than others. Even in the US army do you have soldiers sitting on sandbags inside their APC because of the insuffiecent protection they offer.
"you get +/-1 Trillion USD"
That is a big maybe. USA and UK did sign a paper that they would defend the indepedence of Ukraine. So are any US and UK ground troops involved in the fighting are there any no flight zone? Nope.
If Sweden was nuked is it certain that a weak president like Biden would send away nukes on Russia if that would mean 300 million Americans will die as a result? I don't think you can say with certainty that Sweden will get that help.
And it is only against Russia and the EU Sweden could need help. Minor threats non-existential threats can be handled by ourselves.
"Forgive me if i am wrong but I dont think Sweden spends 200+ trillion per year on defense."
Nato did spend about 1 trillion dollars on defence about 10 years ago. So your numbers are way off..
"Yes you are obligated to respond if Article 5 is invoked (which has happened 1 since its founding)."
Yes and that led Europe into participating into the shameful and costly Iraq war in 2003. So all talk about Nato is "just a defensive alliance" is therefore just a lie. The attack on Iraq in 2003 was not a defensive war.
"A case can be made that you lost out on a fully independent foreign policy when you joined the EU in 1995"
True. And I would indeed say that the EU membership is more catastrophic than any Nato membership will ever be.
Leaving the EU is therefore my no.1 priority. All other political issues are irrelevant until the Swexit problem has been solved.
"Times change, if a country refuses to change then it risks catastrophe"
If it becomes a puppet state to a foreign power, then I don't feel bound to defend it. There was no vote about joining Nato, despite the Swedish constitution says that "All offentlig makt i Sverige utgår från folket och riksdagen är folkets främsta företrädare." - All government powers in Sweden comes from the people, and the parliament is the representative of the people".
The Swedish politicians are traitors. This is not the first time they commit treason. The Lisbon treaty was an even worse violation of our constitution.
Swedens leading politicians are Quislings who betray our democracy and betray our country by signing away our independence.
"I am not saying that Sweden should or shouldn't join NATO, that is for them to decided."
It should be up for the Swedish voters to decide and no one else. If we cannot vote on the single most important foreign policy change the last 200 years, then why have democracy at all?
And why should Sweden have an army?
I don't wanna waste my tax money on a Swedish army too weak to defend my own country. And killing brown people in foreign lands so EU and USA steal their resources is not something that I am interested in. France can for her shit with her own money. I do not care about Africa. I am not a world citizen. I am not an EUian. I do not think my European identity is that strong either. I am a Swede, and nothing else.
The Swedish army should be for self-defence and nothing else. The only benefit of joining Nato would be that we can sell more weapons to other countries now. But on the other hand, why the hell would I care about that when all Swedish defence companies have been bought up by foreigners since we joined the EU?
Bofors is American. Scania is German. Hägglund & Söner is British just like SAAB, Ericsson have merged with Japanese Sony, etc etc
I do not give a shit about those companies anymore. They are no longer Swedish. This is the destruction globalism/neoliberalism gave us. 60 years of industrial development thrown into the trash.
Now do everything have to be rebuilt from scratch. And there is no other way if we want to remain a rich and independent nation, instead of being a sub-serviant puppet state doing low-paid assembly jobs for other countries while other countries keep all the well paid jobs for themselves.
This failed economic model needs to die. Otherwise will Sweden die.
Sadly does it seems that many Swedes cheers for the destruction of our country and our rich history.
Only materialism and here and now matters to them. They behave like Marxists in Maos China who happily demolish thousands of years history as if it mattered nothing to them.
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@yalassa1 In the modern times. You can talk with people on game chats with people from all around the world, like for example in the game World of tanks. And sure do you have more in common with many foreigners than you have with that nasty bitch in her 50s who is at your job and always complain and is being sour. It is funnier to hang around people with common interests - like tanks and world war 2 in this case.
One can also realize that people around the world are not that different. People in other countries can still enjoy your jokes. And even in far distant places like India, Japan, Indonesia, Algeria and such do people also laugh at those jokes, and they also feel and think much like we do and they value their family, they experience bullies at work, and they feel love for a person of the opposite gender and so on.
However do I feel more in common with Europeans than with other people?
Not really. I feel I have more in common with people from USA, Iceland, Australia, and South Africa than I do with Serbs, French, Bulgarians, Greeks and Turks and Russians.
And I am not opposed to European *cooperation*. I am opposed to the idea of *union*, and being one and the same country, and that all European countries must destroy everything that makes them unique to fit in into a new super-state.
My sympathies with other countries mostly also lies with countries such as Iceland, Norway, UK, Switzerland and USA - which are not part of the EU. So they are more logical allies for my country Sweden than the EU.
And I do not see a world government as desireable.
Nor do I share the EUs racist worldview which it have displayed in commercials made with out tax payer money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKN67ImpO4k
I do not look at other continents as a threat. But I am however dissapointed in other parts of the world when they don't support a country (Ukraine) that is a victim of an unprovoced foreign aggression and genocide. But instead do countries like Brazil, India, Iran and China and rather side with evil.
It is also remarkable that China, India and Indonesia doesn't care about this world that we share by stop polluting the planet, as those 3 countries are responsible for something like 80% of all plastics in the world oceans.
And China spits out more CO2 into the atmosphere than USA and the EU have done combined... and they do not feel any problem in that.
So yea, the values of the rest of the world are very different from western values sometimes. And that is why it is important that we countries in the western world sticks togheter so we do not get bullied and taken over by evil countries like Russia or China. And so we get more leverage with India and Brazil to take care of their own enviroment and not exterminate tigers, cut down rainforests and destroy the world oceans with plastic.
We need to keep our friendship with Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, and North America.
We cannot do as EU leaders like Macron and throw America under the bus, and rather try to build closer ties with dicatorships like China that throws uighurs into concentration camps and have territorial conflicts with nearly all its neighbours.
Have the idiots in France and Germany learned nothing from what recently happened when their two countries got overly dependent on Putins Russia and betrayed their allies USA and other European countries?
If this is the kind of Europeanism that Europe stands for... then so to hell with not just Macron and Scholz.. but also the entire EU project.
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