Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Is Turkey Western? (ft. @Money u0026 Macro)" video.

  1. I use the term "the free world" to include korea, japan, taiwan, New Zeeland and Australia
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  2.  @xazorus9229  Sweden would benefit greatly if our military was OUR military and not USAs, Finlands or someone elses military. Our tax money should be prioritized for defending our own country and not for building rapid deployment forces for other countries. And a Nato membership also comes with a cost. We lose our independence a bit. We can no longer have a fully independent foreign policy if we join. For a country with 200 years of peace this is a hard blow to our indentity as a country. Sweden now feels more like a vassal state than an independent country. And if that is the case, why should I care to defend this country when it no longer feels like it is my own country anymore?
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  3. The real European religions are the norse gods, the greek gods, druids, Germanic paganism, and that religion of vendic heathens
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  4. Omer is right. Sweden can defend itself, by the mid 1990s it had the 2nd strongest military in Europe. Furthermore did it have the 4th largest airforce in the world during the cold war. And the terrain is excellent for defensive warfare. Finland is probably safer inside Nato and does not have this over 200 year long tradition of peace and non-alignment as Sweden have... so joining the Nato is not any culturally or politically complicated. Finland is a tiny country with a small population. It cannot pose a threat to Russia. And I believe it is in its own best self-interest to remain a peaceful and silent member of Nato. Just like Norway and Denmark can it sign a treaty to not accept any nuclear bombs on its territory. Thereby can Finland feel safer without making Russia feel unsafer. And Estonia will enjoy the benefits of safety from Finlands Nato presence. Swedens Nato membership however is just useless. Switerland, Austria and Ireland are not part of Nato. So there is no need for neutral Sweden to join this club either.
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  5.  @xazorus9229  "Right, but you wont ever that military." By this argument you make you can just as well say USA will never be fully self-suffiecent in arms production either. All armies in the world are filled with outdated crappy equipment, while some are worse off than others. Even in the US army do you have soldiers sitting on sandbags inside their APC because of the insuffiecent protection they offer. "you get +/-1 Trillion USD" That is a big maybe. USA and UK did sign a paper that they would defend the indepedence of Ukraine. So are any US and UK ground troops involved in the fighting are there any no flight zone? Nope. If Sweden was nuked is it certain that a weak president like Biden would send away nukes on Russia if that would mean 300 million Americans will die as a result? I don't think you can say with certainty that Sweden will get that help. And it is only against Russia and the EU Sweden could need help. Minor threats non-existential threats can be handled by ourselves. "Forgive me if i am wrong but I dont think Sweden spends 200+ trillion per year on defense." Nato did spend about 1 trillion dollars on defence about 10 years ago. So your numbers are way off.. "Yes you are obligated to respond if Article 5 is invoked (which has happened 1 since its founding)." Yes and that led Europe into participating into the shameful and costly Iraq war in 2003. So all talk about Nato is "just a defensive alliance" is therefore just a lie. The attack on Iraq in 2003 was not a defensive war. "A case can be made that you lost out on a fully independent foreign policy when you joined the EU in 1995" True. And I would indeed say that the EU membership is more catastrophic than any Nato membership will ever be. Leaving the EU is therefore my no.1 priority. All other political issues are irrelevant until the Swexit problem has been solved. "Times change, if a country refuses to change then it risks catastrophe" If it becomes a puppet state to a foreign power, then I don't feel bound to defend it. There was no vote about joining Nato, despite the Swedish constitution says that "All offentlig makt i Sverige utgår från folket och riksdagen är folkets främsta företrädare." - All government powers in Sweden comes from the people, and the parliament is the representative of the people". The Swedish politicians are traitors. This is not the first time they commit treason. The Lisbon treaty was an even worse violation of our constitution. Swedens leading politicians are Quislings who betray our democracy and betray our country by signing away our independence. "I am not saying that Sweden should or shouldn't join NATO, that is for them to decided." It should be up for the Swedish voters to decide and no one else. If we cannot vote on the single most important foreign policy change the last 200 years, then why have democracy at all? And why should Sweden have an army? I don't wanna waste my tax money on a Swedish army too weak to defend my own country. And killing brown people in foreign lands so EU and USA steal their resources is not something that I am interested in. France can for her shit with her own money. I do not care about Africa. I am not a world citizen. I am not an EUian. I do not think my European identity is that strong either. I am a Swede, and nothing else. The Swedish army should be for self-defence and nothing else. The only benefit of joining Nato would be that we can sell more weapons to other countries now. But on the other hand, why the hell would I care about that when all Swedish defence companies have been bought up by foreigners since we joined the EU? Bofors is American. Scania is German. Hägglund & Söner is British just like SAAB, Ericsson have merged with Japanese Sony, etc etc I do not give a shit about those companies anymore. They are no longer Swedish. This is the destruction globalism/neoliberalism gave us. 60 years of industrial development thrown into the trash. Now do everything have to be rebuilt from scratch. And there is no other way if we want to remain a rich and independent nation, instead of being a sub-serviant puppet state doing low-paid assembly jobs for other countries while other countries keep all the well paid jobs for themselves. This failed economic model needs to die. Otherwise will Sweden die. Sadly does it seems that many Swedes cheers for the destruction of our country and our rich history. Only materialism and here and now matters to them. They behave like Marxists in Maos China who happily demolish thousands of years history as if it mattered nothing to them.
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  6. One thing that the Covid-19 crisis should have learned us Swedes is that WE CANNOT RELY ON OTHER COUNTRIES. We had no own reserve capacity. All gas masks stored from the Cold war had been destroyed to save money. The politicians thought that they only did cost money to store, and that if a crisis happened they believed that other countries would help us. They were wrong. Instead of helping us did France, Germany and Czechia steal hospital equipment from other EU countries - including Sweden - even such material that they had already paid for. So in the peak of covid crisis 800 italians per day were dying from covid due to lack of ventilators did Germany think it was a good idea to steal hospital equipment from friendly nations. And with friends like France and Germany, I wonder who needs enemies? The lesson we should have learned in year 2020 is that we cannot outsource national security to other countries. Sweden must take care of itself.
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  7. Sweden and Finland have always voted in favor for Turkey joining the EU. Anyways, I cannot recommend joining the EU. It have only given my country 27 years of constant stagnation. I think Turkey deserves better than that.
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  8.  @justatanil0919  Sweden
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  9. Many armenians were killed in a genocide. Why is it so hard to admit that? We in western countries admit that we have committed genocide in the past against native americans and others. So why can't you just do the same?
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  10. The Ottoman empire was gigantic and spanned from north africa away into Persia in the middle east. And it also held most of the balkans, and the gigantic city of Constantinople and was a centre for learning around the world. Turkey today is large with 80 million people and a large military.. but it can never become as large and powerful again. But don't be sad that it is over, be happy that it happened 😊 With the abolishment of the Caliphate in 1924 along with the fall of the Chinese emperor system might have been some of the largest events in recent world history. And the effects cannot be undone. Even if Turkey somehow managed to find the best man in the world to lead a newly invented Caliphate to restore order in the muslim world.. that would simply never work. Because not all muslims are the same and have the same opinions. ISIS thinks they are the only real muslims, while others think they are not... and with this you only got chaos. As much as I admire Atatürk and his secular ideas am I not sure if abolishing the Caliphate was a good idea now seen in hindsight. Now we have religious wars and extremism in the world. Sometimes do the middle east remind me of Europe in the 1600s with all the many slightly different variants of christianity going to war with each other because they did not like each others religion. Today we got tanks, machine guns, poison gas and nuclear bombs.. so the wars today can be even more devestating.
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