Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Military History Visualized"
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1939 - Crushing Poland so fast that France stop them.
1940 - Secure Swedish Iron shipments by capturing the Ice free harbour at Narvik where the Iron gets shipped to Germany.
- May 1940, capture the Benelux countries and push into France without crossing the Maginot line.
1941 -Put Balkans under Axis control, and then securing Crete in order to deny allied bombers the ability to bomb Romanian oil fields.
Troops are sent to North Africa to save the Italian Army there from collapsing.
-June 1941, The largest military operation in history begin, when Hitler attack Soviet Russia. The objective is to destroy the Russian army as fast as possible, and no army in history have suffered so heavy losses as the Russians did in 1941. But the losses for the Germans were also enormous, even if they were nowhere near as bad as the Russians.
-October 1941, Since Germany now controls huge areas of land and inflicted heavy losses on their enemy, it is decided to end the war in Russia with the capture of Moscow, and the Germans push forward under heavy losses but fail to capture their goals.
1942 Russia have gathered large numbers of men from all over Russia, and decides to throw in everything they got in a winteroffensive all along the Russian front. And the German army was exhausted by the losses from the previous year, many had also frozen to death by the winter, and much of their tanks, guns and planes couldn't be used in the cold... so when the Russians attacked, the German army wasn't strong enough to hold them back so they were pushed back 100km before the Russians could be stopped. The Russian troops had moved forward so hastenly that they didn't know where to go, and the units where spread out and couldn't support each other and couldn't get enough fuel, ammo and food forward to them when they had moved so deep into enemy lands so fast.
So the Germans simply encircled and destroyed each russian unit one by one.
And Stalins winteroffensive ended up as a worse disaster for the Russians than for the Germans. But the German retreat during the winter had also meant that troops had to abandon much of their heavy equipment so they could retreat fast enough without getting caugt by the Russians. So Germany had lost huge number of guns, tanks, trucks and transport planes.
-may 1942, Hitler changes his plans. Moscow is no longer a target.. its too well defended and can't guarantee an end to the war.
Hitler understands that this war will probably last for years and to win he needs recources. So he decides to take Southern Russia instead. And if he succedes he could solve Germanys problems of consuming more food and oil than they produce.
And losing Southern Russia would also mean a heavy blow to Russia, even losing those resources in the shortrun would be devestating.
So Hitler starts Operation Blue, with the best Divisions of his army and support them with his best air units.
The heavy losses Germany had simply didn't allow for any attack into Russia on all fronts like in 1941.
And Hitler captures Kiev, he takes Crimea, Kharkov and Rostov.. and he almost takes Stalingrad..........................
But then Russia makes a huge counterattack on the entire eastern front like in 1941. Outside Moscow a huge German army is under threat of getting encircled and crushed, and is fighting for their lives in the battle of Rzhev.
And at the same time is an equally epic battle going on in Stalingrad, where the Russians succesfully have encirled the German 6th Army.. which is now fighting for their lives to get out of the ring the Russians have formed around them. But the Russian forces is too strong, and the German troops is starving, and lacking medicines, ammunition and fuel to fight effectivly. And finally gets forced to surrender.
Which is a disaster for Germany, who needed that 6th Army more than ever to fight a war that has grown even larger when USA joined it. And the loss of it, created a big open hole in the German frontline at the south.
And 1942 was not a good year for the navy either. And the war went to shit for japan as well after unrepairable losses at Midway and Guadacanal.
The battle in Europe and North Africa in 1942 was supposed to be the year when the Axis powers should have used the time to deal a big punch to the Allies so they couldn't recover until the war in Russia was over.
It was important to punch hard in 1942, because America wasn't still ready for war. Their industry hadn't geared up yet, and millions of new troops had to be equiped, trained and then sent to Europe.... and that would take a year before they could get strong enough to become a real threat to Germany.
So what did Germany do on the western front in 1942?
Nothing.
They thought about capturing Malta with paratroopers, to stop allied planes and ships from harassing supply ships. But the operation was canceled at the last moment, because it was wrongly considered that the operation was unnessary when Rommels Afrika Korps had inflicted a devestating defeat on the allies with the capture of Tobruk.
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Originally it was against USSR, but when America boycoted Germany in 1936 and started to give lend-lease to Hitlers enemies he tought that America could go to hell. But Hitler himself lacked a large Navy to take on the Americans, so he was happy to get Japan on his side. And some historians say that the push against Moscow in 1941 was a desperate attempt to make it seem like the war in Russia would be over soon, so Japan would feel comfy to start a war with America.
From a Japanease perspective was the Attack on America only foolish and totally lacking rationality since Japan had 0% chance of winning a war against the American gigiant. The reasons were only feelings. Japan had free trade forced upon them in 1853 by western powers. They felt inferior back then to the westerners with superior weapns innovations and industry, and firstly bought into the racist rethoric that only the white man could have a modern state, and that made the Japanease depressed. But they were determined to try to get a modern army, so imported technologies and tried to finance all expenditures by industrialization. So they became one industrial power, not the greatest one in the global league, but the greatest one in the Asian league. So then they started to imitate western powers in other ways and started to colonize their neighbours such as Korea and they got involved in a conflict with China. But despite all great achievements and western admiration of Japans progress, the Asian race was still looked down upon, and America had restricted their immigration, and western countries refused to treat them like an equal as with western countries.
So all this frustration, in combination with shinto warrior ideals and crazy imperalistic nationalism, plus militarism and Americas trade boycot of Japan triggered a Japanease reaction that became the attack on Pearl Harbour.
The hope was to destroy the American navy completly, and then go south and take Indoneasia and grab some of the most resource rich areas in the world. And instead currency reserves for buying raw material imports being the limiting factor for the industrial production, the only limiting factor would become the amount of plundered resources the transport ships could carry.
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Panzer III was a shitty tank in 1939, with only a 37mm gun.
When Panzer III entered service in 1935 it was intended to be the main tank of the German army, and it was planned that this machine - which was considered as powerful tank back then - should one day replace all weak pz1 and pzII tanks in service with the army. But the World War began before that dream could come true.
And in 1939 only a few of these tanks had been produced. So the German army had to use old PzI and PzII tanks to crush the Poles instead. And in 1940 in the Battle of France, the same story was still true, since German tank production was still unimpressive. And the few panzer III tanks that fought, showed the German army that this tank was shit compared to French tanks, it had crappier firepower, armour and horsepower per tonne ratio. So the German army decided to give the tank a better 50mm gun and give it some extra armour so it would be able to better against a future enemy than what it had done against French tanks.
And in Russia in 1941, the Panzer III was finally deployed in large numbers. But because of the lazyness of the German industry, which had choosen to not listen to Hitlers orders, most of the panzer III tanks still carried the old 37mm gun. And that gun was okay when fighting most Russian tanks such as T-26 and BT7.
But against the best Russian tanks (KV-1 and T-34) with thick armour it was completly useless. And some historians even claim this to be the reason why Hitler lost the battle of Moscow in 1941.
Panzer III got upgraded and did an okayish performance in 1942. But by 1943 it started to getting a bit outdated, and not being able to fight against allied tanks (ie M4 sherman and T34/76) on equal terms. But it wasn't enough panzer IV and Panther tanks available to the German army to take this old crappy machine out of service.
So it had to continue it service within the German army, but now as a reconnaissance tank. And since the gun was useless against armour, it was instead given a 75mm gun to fire High-Explosives on soft targets. And this PanzerIIIN variant was also given some extra thick armour and was used for infantry support.
So by 1943 the roles had changed. Panzer III had earlier been intentended to fight tanks, while Panzer IV should be attacking the infantry and bunkers with its short fat gun. But now the roles was the opposite. Panzer III had to fight the enemy foot solidiers while Panzer IV dealt with the enemy tanks.
And in 1943 production of Panzer III had stopped, since the tank was outdated. Instead Germany used all panzer III chassis to build the Sturmgeshütze III. Because Stug had both better armour and firepower than panzer III (since it didn't have a turret), and it also had some of the best optics of any German tank. And it was also much cheaper to produce and days needed for production was also cut down, since Stug didn't need a turret like other tanks.
All in all, Panzer III looks impressive on paper with its big gun and high numbers of tanks produced. But it was only after 1942 that the tank really got some substantial improvements. And it was not until 1941 that the tank was availale in large numbers.
So I would call this tank a little bit of a failure. But its excellent traverse speed enabled the tank chassi to become the most succesful tank destroyer in history.
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World war 2 was an industrial war done on scale never seen before in history. The mobilization never seen in another war. But the organized murder of civilians also took forms of extreme efficiency and industrial scale.
The entire state machinery was brought into this... the railroads, technicians to build ovens, gas chambers, gas vans and ventilation, and electric fences, the secret police tracked up people, the military provided machine guns for the guard towers and land mines outside the camps.
And the efficiency was brutal. Gas did cost nearly nothing to produce. The camps did not need much personnel.
Millions of people died in just a year. Evidence was hidden by burning the bodies to ashes, and then using the ashes to grow trees. The killers did not have to see their victims, since the dirty work of taking care of dead bodies was done by slaves. And nearly no one successfully able to flee from those horrible places. The chance of survival was literary less than one in 250.000 in one of those. And even less if you were a child, elderly, a mother or disabled and unfit to work - because then you were killed right away. And almost all among those few who were lucky to flee were men who were working outside in the forest as a slave and cutting trees. Otherwise was there nearly no chance at all of surviving, except an armed uprising.
To me the lesson of all this is how powerless the individual is against an evil government.
If the Germans were able to do this with such a brutal efficiency in 1942, then imagine what a modern government would be able to do today...
Back then it was almost impossible to flee from a factory of death. You had to worry about guards with machine guns, electric fences, barbed wire, land mines,
And even if you manage to get out of the camp, then you would have to flee out in the woods starved and with a striped pyjamas and no food or cover against the cold. And meanwhile would trucks with guards and barking dogs come out and looking after you. And people would feel sympaties with you and give you food and a blanket if you were lucky. But they would be too afraid to hide you, because then their entire family could be killed if your enemy would found out.
And today I imagine that chance of surviving a genocide is not 1 in 250.000.... but rather it is 0%.
Today governments can track fleeing prisoners with drones flying around or satellites. Heat seeking sensors can see the heat of a human body hiding in a forest. Microphones, surveillance cameras and sensors can easily track people down. With RFID tags can you track down the movement of cattle on a radar. With coal cameras can you see through walls if someone is hiding on the other side.
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@qk-tb2df "as the worlds oil reserves go down (if they actually do)"
First you discover oil. Then you start building oil rigs, and 12-15 years later will the oil field be ready to be used. And then you pump oil. The oil field usally never run out of oil. The problem is rather that when you have pumped out half of the oil of the field, then it will become harder and harder to get oil out from the ground. The oil will be mixed with sand and will be thick and sticky and hard to get out from the ground, and you will need more and more energy to pump the oil from the ground.
And then you need more and more energy to clean your impure oil from sand and other stuff before you can turn your oil into petrol, plastics, asphalt, and other petroleum products.
So the oil will become too expensive and too energy consuming to pump up from the ground at some point. And then the oil field gets closed down even if there are oil left in the ground.
I mean why use 100 barrels of oil to drive a diesel pump if you only pump up 50 barrels of oil from the ground? That would only be idiotic and unsubstainable.
The problem is that we do not discover much new oil fields nowadays. And the few oil fields we find are tiny in size. And the quality of the oil we find is also crappy (ie Canadian tar sands) or it is oil which is not easy and cheap to get - like drilling for oil thousands of meters underneath the water outside the Brazilian coast.
"the supply/demand of electric and other sources will become more and more appealing to markets"
That might be true. But the laws of physics crush the laws of economics.
Unless you of course believe in magic.
"also keep in mind that the world population will eventually start to flatten out as more education is involved"
I guess that is too little too late. We have already depleted much of the freshwater reserves. We have depleted fishstocks. We are using up oil reserves and phosphor mines that provides our agriculture with inputs that allows a highly productive agriculture.
And the population are declining in places with smart people (ie Iran), while the population is increasing in places with dumbass retards (ie Pakistan).
We are seeing a world with more religious fundamentalists and dumbass analphabets in Africa, while civilized westerners and east asians are getting fewer.
The global population is already too large to be substained. And having a few billion more people in the near time will only overstretch the planet even more. Land will turn into deserts as we use up water and cut down trees and use up the top soil with our unsubstainable agriculture. Extinct animals are not coming back. Rainforrests will not come back even if we wait another 1000 years for it to heal. The fresh water reserves under arabia took a thousand years to fill and now most of it has been used up. The aral sea and dead sea will soon be nothing but desert.
Global population will stabilize as you say. But it doesn't seem like it will be through the rational way of stupid people abstaining from having kids they cannot take care of.
Rather the job has to be done by mass starvation.
At this point are countries like India so fucking overpopulated that the next monstous disease, like the bubonic plague 2.0 would not be able to fix the problem even if it manage to kill an astonishing number like 500 million people.
Even if that would happen there would still be a billion people left just in India alone.
I wish that you were right however. I wish that everyone - even the idiots - would have a great standard of living. But that is never going to happen with a planet with 7 billion people. There are simply not enough resources on this planet to go around for everyone, so that we all can live the life of middle class Americans and have
a family with 2 cars, one house, multiple computers, a tv, a fridge, a mixer, a lawn mover, a stereo, a washing machine and so on. And then afford to take a vacation to Spain, Florida, Hawaii or Thailand.
"stop listening to retarded doomsayers and use your brain"
Many doomsayers are wrong. But some of them make good arguments for not believing in a bright future. All I do is to simply just look at the facts. And if someone presents a convincing argument - then I am prepared to change my opinion.
In this case do I really wish that I was wrong, because I don't like the idea that the world is running out of oil, that we are depleting resources and that millions of people will die because of it. And that human civilization has reached its peak, and that every future generation will become poorer than us when energy becomes scarce.
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Building 50 and 70 tonnes tanks demand more specialist vehicles and strain the logistical system to an unnecessarily large degree. It would take 3 Famo-trucks just to be able to pull a single Tiger to a repairshop after it had broken down - and all this timestaking work had to be done in wartime condions where the Wehrmacht didn't have many transport trucks to spare to begin with, and even if some would be available it would still not be an easy job to slowly pull away a heavy tank while the enemy is firing in your direction. Furthermore will you need new military bridges, since neighter the standard 20 tonnes or 40 tonnes bridges would be able to carry those machines.
Those heavy tanks will furthermore be more tactically inflexible since they cannot cross normal bridges or most military bridges... and they are also too slow to keep up with the fast changes of the frontline due to their slow speed.
And when you produce something in larger numbers, then it makes more sense to start using specialized tools that makes massproduction easier. And massproduction in turn makes unit-cost to fall, so that a tank would take less and less manhours to build. A Tiger took 200.000 manhours to build while a new Sherman came out of Detroit every 45 minutes.
Producing things in small numbers simply makes it uneconomical and not very practical to switch over to more division of labour and more effiecent production methods.
Building heavy tanks also demands heavy cranes to carry all extra heavy machinery so I guess a car plant would need much modifications before production could be switched towards wartime production of tanks.
The Germans overengineered their tanks, and this is a lesson we can learn from the Russians. The Russians never overengineered their tanks. If the average lifespan of a tank was just 6 months, then it would pointless to build it with components that last much more longer than that. So the Russians could save both expensive and rare building material as well as manhours by not wasting any extra efforts in building a tank that probably just would be destroyed within a certain point of time. But the Germans never did that. They built their tanks with quality that could make them last for decades in peacetime, despite they would likely be destroyed within some month or year. So the Germans simply wasted time and resources, and also got less tanks produced.
And when it comes to the fighting I say that quantatity has a quality of its own. Germany could have relied more upon the StuGIII and a light weight version of the Panther and probably been doing better than what they did with their over-engineered tanks that either killed themselves in engine fires or got blown up by their own crews because they were too heavy to drag to a repairshop.
And those special scenarios with super tigers rarely happen. Firstly because only 1.300 were built compared to 100.000 Shermans and T-34's.. and secondly because only a few of them was in service, and half of the German tankforce was undergoing maintance because they were over-engineered. And thirdly, the allies were not stupid enough to try to make long distance fire duel at 2000 metres most of the time, but rather tried to let air power and battleship guns kill the German tanks, or make close range flanking attacks where they could make masskillings of the German cats - as they did at Arracourt and Korsun.
And here we come to the final point. The German cats was too expensable to afford to lose one of them.
But a Sherman, a T-34, or a StuG could be lost and it wouldn't be much of a big deal.
A weapon system that is "too-big-to-fail" is not every useful when it comes to war, if a carrier just sits in the harbour all the time that a war lasts because it would be too disastrous to risk losing it, then what use does it have? And if a Tiger tank is too dear to being risked of losing, then how useful is it?
To me it seems like Germany should have tried building a good 30 tonnes medium tank instead. It wouldn't have won the war, but it would perhaps allowed the evil empire to last a few more months.
And the German heavy tanks would have been outclassed by new allied medium tanks pretty soon anways, as the Centurion and T-44 was entering into production. And then the Tiger and Panther would have been as outdated as the old panzerIV was. So new tanks would be needed to be developed anyways if Germany should have kept its upper hand in the technological race.
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Other countries preserves their traditions despite their anti-democratic roots. "Royal" airforce does not really sound democraticly and nice as the name "people's liberation army" of the democratic people's republic of China.
But I guess that superficial attributes are more important than what things really are.
Sweden continues the tradition of parading regiments in front of the Royal palace - a tradition with roots from 1523, when the Swedish King wanted protection from his life guard regiments of his life and to protect his undemocratic royalistic rule.
Personally, I think that a country should honour its past. Atleast when it comes to the symbols of the state - such as coins, military traditions and such. And I also think it is more honest to name a government department "the ministroy of war" instead of naming into som lying Orwellian bullshit like warmongering neoliberal politicians do today when they call it the "ministry of defence" while they go to war against country after country... Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria... I don't care about superficial garbage like politically correct idiots.
I only care if things are opressive in the real world - which Iron crosses, palace guards, royal names on regiments, old royalist military flags are not.
And things that sound nice, doesn't have to be nice things - as DPRK and DDR shows.
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