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Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Panther: Wartime Reports \u0026 First-Hand Experience" video.
No. M4 Sherman was the best tank.
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Modern tanks are very different from World war 2 tanks. Modern tanks are long and broad, but the Tiger II and Sherman are instead narrow and have a high siluette. And the time factor is not as important in peace time. You don't need to massproduce thousands of tanks in only a years time - which was a big priority in world war 2. So the turretless tank destroyers SU100, Jagdpanther, StuGIII have no modern contemporaries. And instead are all tanks built with a turret. The suspension is also different. And the narrow tracks on pz38, M4 sherman and panzer III have totally disapeared. Instead have the broad tracks of Panther and King tiger become the norm, and a few big road wheels are the norm. And the many tiny wheels of churchill and panzer IV have dissapeared. And armour sloping have returned somewhat to modern tanks. The next big trend seems to be high calibre guns capable of knocking out strongly protected tanks like Armata. And when guns starts to reach calibres of 15cm and above, then it starts to become unpractical to load guns by hand. Crew safety today are also probably a higher priority than during world war 2, when winning the war at any cost was seen as more important. Nowadays is the tolerance for losses of lives lower
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All tanks have bad side armour. In my opinion should this tank rather have lost some of its side armour, and its frontal armour was already so thick that is was overkill - so also that could have been reduced a bit. And with a lower weight would the panther become easier to transport, use less fuel, use less materials to build and becoming easier to produce in large numbers. And if the need for a 40 tonnes tank would arrive one day, then the germans could only switch over to the heavier version of this tank that already existed.
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@HiTechOilCo Soviet tanks have good concealment due to their low siluette. The are harder to spot for the enemy, but in turn are they also bad at finding their enemy due to their low viewrange. This game is biased in favour of Russian tanks. Partly because to get love from its Russian audiance. But partly also because the game would probably not be very well balanced if other nations could take out Russian tanks at ranges 4 times longer than the ranges Russian tanks need to fire back. And even if the Russian tanks would be able to fire at their maximum range, their gun sights would have so bad a dusty optics that they would miss most of their shots. A German saying on the eastern front goes that "Ivan always misses his first shot" because of their optics and poorly trained tank crews.
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The Tiger came when the allies had almost nothing to put against it. The Tiger entered service in august 1942 and could almost stand unopposed until mid-1943. The Panther entered service in mid-1943 when the allies already had come up with weapons powerful enough to kill a Tiger - and those same weapons could also be used against the Panther. So the Panther therefore never had the chance to build up the same fearsome reputation as the Tiger, despite the panther had a better gun and better armour than the Tiger. (the Panther had a higher muzzle velocity and better armour penetration than the gun on the Tiger, and it also had better precision, longer range, and the gun could be much faster reloaded. And if you look at not just the thickness of the frontal armour but also take into account the extra protection the sloping of it creates you will see that the Panther have a thicker effective armour than the Tiger). Furthermore was the panther cheaper, lighter, faster, and much else.
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Comparing the german cats... -Panther was the fastest vehicle. -Tiger I was the tank with more armour protection all around and its gun was better suited for world war 2 than the panther's because its higher calibre gave its shots more explosive power - which would make the tiger better at killing soft targets like infantry, trucks and buildings. And Tiger I also had the gun with lowest muzzle velocity so the risk of having a shot going into an enemy tank and then flying through and coming out on the other side was the smallest with this tank compared to the more powerful guns on Panther and King Tiger. And the larger calibre also meant more mass and more explosive power than the 75mm shots of the Panther. King Tiger was the best protected and most powerfully armed of the German tanks. But it was a slow tank, and it was fuel thirty and it was mechanically unreliable, and too heavy for crossing most bridges, and too heavy to tow away from a battlefield to a repairshop. Its armour was twice as thick as needed at the front. And I have a hard time to understand why the Germans wanted so thick side armour on it.. I can understand why you wanna protect the crew from rifles shots and grenade fragmentation. But why have any thicker armour than that, if your armour still will not be thick enough to stop a shot from a normal anti-tank gun? In the Ardennes offensive could this big monsters easily be killed by flanking fire from American 90mm anti-tank guns. And they were targets too big to hide or to miss. They could probably have been excellent tanks if they would have been used in optimal circumstances - but on the other hand were tiger II a tank too slow to keep up with the changes on the battlefield and too inflexible to cross bridges and such so I guess the tiger 2 therefore often doomed itself to fight in unfavourable circumstances. So I guess the Tiger I was the best among those cats. But on paper would I rather have a jagdpanther so I could get a tank with all the speed of a panther tank combined with big gun and frontal armour of King Tiger. The only disadvantages of this tank would probably be its lack of a turret and the large siluette which makes it less sneaky than the other german tank destroyers.
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You can try the turret cheek on the early panther models. Otherwise you could try to penetrate it with a richochet on the ground underneath the tank. And if the situation feels hopeless you can fire on its tracks so they fall apart and need many minutes of repairs, And meanwhile can you run away to safety. And if you wanna feel extra safe to not lose the fire duel you can fire a smoke grenade so the panther cannot aim at you.
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I think the late war guns would have no problem taking out the panthers, like ISU152
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The panther had a gun capable of taking on any enemy tank so it was not undergunned - not even compared to the best enemy heavy tanks. And the armour was amazing as long as a panther could show its frontal armour towards the enemy. Unfortunatly for the Germans could they often not use their precious tanks in optimal ways due to lack of trained crews, lack of good support and recon, and sometimes necessity forced the Germans to attack despite they would be fired upon from multiple directions from the same time. etc It would have been possible for the Germans to also use their tanks from a strategic point of view if they did not throw away tanks in stupid offensives in unsuitable terrain, like Normandy and the Ardennes.
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