Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "World History"
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It is believed that somewhere between 8 and 14 million people died in the holocaust. And while I have a great deal of respect for this channel and the research done and the quality video images... I do here disagree with one statement. And that is that most people died in gas chambers and fewer died from bullets. In reality things are the other way around (I use the book of Artur Szulc as my source here).
Most people were killed in mass shootings like that at Babij jar. And many people were also killed inside gas vans that the Einsatsgruppen brought with them to Eastern Europe. Most people died this way, but it was not an effective killing method from the nazis perspective. The men got psychological problems from seeing their victims they were killing and felt horrible about it. And driving around and kill people did cost fuel and ammunition.
So therefore was it decided that the victims would be transported by rail to top secret places where they could be killed with no eye witnesses around the place to see. And the killers did not have to see women and children in the face when they killed them. And no bullets had to be wasted, but instead could extremely cheap poison gas be used to kill people.
In 1942 did the nazi-state supported mass murder reach its peak. When the year was over had about 80% of all jews that the nazis would kill during the war died. Most of them had died in mass shootings. But many were also killed at Germany's six death camps: Sobibor, Majdanek, Treblinka, Belzec and Chelmno.
The last camp Auschwitz were still under construction so it was not used that much at this point of time.
But by 1944 it had become the largest factory of death in world history, and capable of killing more people than all the 5 other camps combined in a single day. It could kill 6000 people inside its gas chambers all at once. While the other camps could "only" kill 500.
Auschwitz-Birkenau was nazi-Germany's perfection of all the lessons learned in how to kill people. But this monster only really came to be used at a very late stage in the holocaust. And by then had most jews in Poland already been murdered so there was no need to keep all other death camps, so they were closed down while Auschwitz was large enough to replace all those other camps for the remaining goals that the nazis had, such as murdering Hungary's jewish population - which could be done in record time at Auschwitz.
So could the holocaust have been stopped?
- I don't think so. There was no allied bombers with the range to reach all nazi death camps that were located in Poland and far away from any allied airbases in England. And flying without fighter escort would have anyhow been suicidal in 1942 when the German airforce still was strong and powerful.
And finding the targets would have been difficult, and hitting the targets would have been almost impossible.
And even if say a railway track leading to a death camp would have been destroyed, it would likely have been repaired within 2 weeks. And meanwhile could the nazis just transport their victims to some other death camps or sent out an einsatzgruppen to kill off the jews that the allied bombs had saved.
Since 80% of all victims had died by the start of 1943, I don't see how much could have changed. Even if allied leaders like Churchill and Roosevelt could have been conviced that a genocide was going on and that it was super-important to stop it immidietly, I don't think they would have had the power to do so in 1942.
Especially not when the Einsatzgruppen made most of the killings.
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The nazis had a state apparatus and Germanys industrial might behind them to help them do their killing. They tried all kinds of methods of killing people. And they managed to kill a lot of people. But in the end did they end up with a very simple solution of killing people - they transported thousands of people to top secret camps with barbed wire and guard towers with machine guns. And then they lied to people and told them to take a shower. And once everyone was inside they "shower room" they locked the door and threw in poison gas. Once everyone inside was dead they did throw the bodies into ovens and burned them into ash - ash which then was thrown into rivers or used as fertilizer.
Every victim would be dead so there would be no eyewitnesses left to tell the truth, and all bodies would be eliminated so no evidence would be left behind..
But many mistakes were made by the nazis. A hundred thousand victims managed to survive the horrors at Auschwitz and could tell the world about the truth. The camp Majdanek was conquered before it could be destroyed, so now the world know what a German gas chamber looklike. A recording from the Wansee conferance was unsuccesfully destroyed, so now people know about the German plans. And many photos from the holocaust were taken despite the German state had absolutly forbidden any photos from being taken inside the death camps. And a few nazis have testified how the mass murder were taken place - most of them in an naive attempt to save their own life from the gallows, while a rare few others were perhaps struck by some regret, shame, and guilt and tried to repair a wound that can never be made undone...
Today we know a lot about the holocaust. But there is also a huge amount that we do not know. Only 2 people survived a place like Belzec where half a million people died. Same goes for Chelmno.
And it would not surprise me if there are thousands of mass graves in eastern Europe that few are aware of. We will not know how many reacted the last minutes of their lives when the gas was pumped inside the room. Or what people thought about as they worked as the first Sonderkommandos and was forced to carry out all the innocent dead bodies of children
and women from the gas chambers and then burn them.
How would one feel after seeing foreigners gassing your own people to death? The Tattooist of Auschwitz said that he passed out after he saw the Germans force a large number of jews inside a bus with , and then they locked the door. And a guy climbed on top of the roof and threw in some poison into the bus... and heartbreaking scream was heard...
And the man witnessed this passed out, and was a mental wreck for the coming two weeks and unable to work and had to be kept hidden by his friends for that time.
Personally I think I would feel sick an vomit 🤮🤮 after seing such awful evil sh*t being done.
I think killing people with gas is just an unnecessary cruel way of killing someone.
Cruel to the victim to spend minutes in pain. Cruel to the slave who have to despose the dead body. And cruel to the killers who have to hear all screams.
But for Germany who needed ammunition, morphine to treat injured soldiers, and fuel for trucks, and had a large chemical industry that could produce large amounts of poison gas from chemical waste products it was perhaps a logical economic choice.
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@sandrakostic5998 I have actually studied feminism at one SJW-clown university (Södertörns University) so I feel confident that I know what I am talking about. You speak as if you hold the true version of feminism in your hands - but you don't. No one holds the monopoly over deciding what feminism is - and neither do you.
A normal person would not be offended by what I said. But then we have people like you...
As I sees it are the only people who gets offended of what I said idiots. Because it is appearant that many women are not good people. The woman in this video is one example of this. I guess most people think I sound like Captain Obvious when I says this, and that is because for normal people this is obvious.
But for some types of feminists its not for some reason. They are lying to themselves that only men could be evil, and that all women are good somehow.
Women and men are almost completly similiar in most ways, for good and bad. Nor do I believe in male Conservatives or female feminists that makes baseless claims that men and women are biologically programmed for this or that.. as if all men are born socially competent, and women are born with the skill how to know how to breastfeed a baby.
But the truth is that most of that is not true. Many men are just as socially awkward and introverted as many women, and neither women or their babies knows how do a breastfeeding, but instead do the baby accidentally bite the mother at the first times, and the mother gets red over all the chest from all bites and inflammation, and it is an unpleasant experience for many that they had no knowledge about before or gotten any pre-warning about.
Personally do I think that feminism is an useless and outdated concept in the western world. Instead of focusing on gaining undeserved priviligies for one group of people and discriminate and hate another group of people just because of the way they were born... do I think it is more productive to have an ideology that is promoting a society witout priviligies and which treats everyone equally. For that reason do I not consider feminists as my allies, but as my political enemies.
Feminists don't care that most homeless are men, or that most suicides are done by men, nor do they care that men gets harder sentences for the same crimes as women, nor do they care that men do not automatically gets recognized as a parent of their own child the same moment as when it is born - like women are here in Sweden.
So I like women, but I do not like feminists.
I like equality and a better life for both genders, unlike feminists.
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@lorenzbroll101 Many of them were. However the nazis 30.000 established camps. So I guess that the needed at least say 200.000 men to guard those. And they also needed lots of men in the Einsatzgruppen driving around in russia, Ukraine and the Baltics and taking all jews to a forest where they would be forced to dig their own graves, before their lives were taken away.
And then there was lots of men working in other ways to help the nazis kill millions of people - like people in the secret police who collected information so jewish families could be found in their hiding places and arrested, train drivers that transported the jews to the camps, the salesmen who gave the nazis gas and ovens they knew would be used for horrible things. There was men in the military that provided landmines, barbed wire and machine guns for the camps. There was diplomats talking to other countries and negotiating with them so they would hand over all their jews to the germans.
All in all would I not be surprised if many hundreds of thousands of Germans were involved in this death machinery. And I do not think that all of them were psychopaths. Many were just idiots, cowards and men without moral compass, and cowards who just obeyed orders.
Men motivated by fear, peer pressure, greed for stealing belongings from their victims, men who wanted to make career in the nazi state's hierarchy, men and women driven by hatred...
And the nazis also put much effort in trying to relieve their killers counciousness, by doing their best to tell them that they were just following orders, and therefore had no personal responsability.
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The jews were lied to and told they were going to take a shower. There were no guy saying to them "hey guys, we want to push you on to train that will take you to your killing location. And there will you suffer a terrible death inside a gas chamber".
Most jews did not know that the nazis planned to kill them until it was too late to resist. So your comment is filled with stupid ignorance 🙄
And besides what did the armed jews in the Warsaw ghetto accomplish? - Nothing. You cannot use old rifles and a few handguns to take on an entire professional army with tanks, artillery and aircrafts and an entire state machinery backing it. How dumb does one have to be to believe that?
If the mighty British empire, France and Soviet Russia could not do well against Hitlers armies despite millions of trained soldiers, and thousands of tanks, planes, field guns, and warships.... then what chances would the jews have?
- a bunch of jews consisting of undernourished, weak, and sick people with no military training. They did not have any heavy equipment, and the jews from all different countries in Europe did not even speak the same language. And elderly, children, disabled and women are not exactly first class frontline troops material.
One can say that the holocaust really begun in january 1942, and 80% of all jews who died in the holocaust died before the end of that year. With other words there was no way the allies could have invaded Germany and ended the war earlier either. On the contrary - the nazis stood at the height of their power in 1942 and 95% of Stalingrad had fallen into German hands.
Polands jewish population was dying off so fast that there were realisticly no time for them to realize that their people were being murdered when they were transported by train to an unknown destination to never be seen again. And once horrible rumours reached the jewish community, they were so horrible that most people could not believe them at first.
But as more and more people got killed, many more people grew suspicious and tried to resist the nazis. And the respons from the nazis were brutal. Unfortunatly for the jews were they now too few to cause any serious problems to the Germans.
So 98% of all jews in Poland could easily get murdered by the Germans. Indeed most death camps in Poland was already being closed down in 1943, because there was no longer any jews left to kill. And the war would continue for another two years.
The biggest problem for the jews was never the lack of weapons. But the lack of information. Most people did never know that the nazis planned to kill their people before it was too late. Had they known that then they would have tried to flee to Israel or other places if they could.
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This was not an open speech. Himmler held this speech only for SS members and no one else was allowed to know about it. But it was kind of an open secret what Germany was doing. When you wipe out something like 10-14 million people you have to involve so many soldiers that it becomes impossible to keep everything secret. Nazi-Germany had tens of thousands of concentration camps, so many guards was of course needed. And people involved in all train transports, all people selling poison gas, the companies building cremation ovens, and companies rebuilding trucks so the exhaust gas could be pumped into the back of the truck... all those people also probably knew that the german state was killing people.
But few people probably knew exactly how many millions that lost their lives, and under what horrible circumstances.
However even the nazi state needed support from the German people. The German peoples Rosenstrasse protests against sending jews to Auschwitz to be gassed is a clear example of this.
However most Germans supported Hitler, and they knew their regime was cruel against the jews. That they enslaved them, and discriminated against them. However going the extra step an killing people by the millions was however something that many felt usure if the nazis was capable of doing. But they were.
And sometimes by accident, and sometimes perhaps did the nazis leak out their true intentions to the German people to see their reaction. In a speech in 1939 did Hitler say that if another world war 2 broke out, then it would be the fault of the jews and that the jews would pay the price for it.
And in another speech in 1943 in the Berliner sport palats did Goebbles during his total war speech, tell the german people that it was time to exterminate the jews.
So there was always hints what the real intentions of the regime was.
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