Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "UATV English"
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I think the Swedens largest blogger on economics and defence formulated things well:
"Ukraine is currently taking the brunt as a defender of the prosperity, welfare, freedom and democracy of the EU and NATO countries, by taking the fight against Russia on its land and it is Ukrainians who are killed, murdered, tortured and raped by Russian troops, while large parts of the country are laid in ruins by the Russian attacks and terrorist bombings. As a bastion of Europe's freedom, it is the EU's and NATO's damned moral obligation to finance Ukraine's reconstruction, but also to take care of refugees and the injured. The alternative to a Ukrainian victory in Ukraine is that Russia continues and attacks further against EU countries such as Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland and Sweden, possibly also Romania, and of course Moldova (which iofs as Europe's poorest country is neither in the EU or NATO). Ukraine is bleeding and saving us from the same fate, so we must be prepared to finance reconstruction and until the victory receive refugees and injured."
https://cornucopia.se/2022/04/eu-och-nato-har-en-moralisk-skyldighet-att-finansiera-ukrainas-ateruppbyggnad-efter-segern-och-ta-hand-om-flyktingar-och-skadade/
(translation made with Google translate)
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@manishdyall4779
It includes shells that are built this year in Europe, and it includes ammunition stored up on shelves in ammunition depots around Europe which can be used until ammunition production have been ramped up suffiecently to keep up with the demand from the frontline.
That is what I got out from the EU press conferance in Stockholm, and my own interpretation and reading between the lines of what they were saying.
Japan have also openly said that they will begin giving deadly weapons to Ukraine. So I take that as a sign that Japanese 155mm shells might be available in the future. I also know that USA have been buying South Korean ammunition and been giving it to Ukraine. And given how Switzerland have given Germany Leopard2 tanks, and Germany in turn have given their own Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine.. I would not be surprised if "neutral" countries would act a bit in the same way regarding ammunition.
And I think that the example of South Korea highlights that.
Also countries in the middle east is of importance to gain access to more rockets for the rocket artillery, and Egypt is an example of that.
152mm Soviet ammunition is rare and difficult for Ukraine to get their hands on because it is made in Russia. East European countries have given what they have stored and ammo has been bought from Arabia. But demand still outstrips supply. So ammunition factories in Ukraine and Bulgaria is producing what they can to supply Ukraine with soviet shells.
I don't see artillery shells as an acute crisis anymore. Because Ukraine does not have a large stock of western artillery and a steady flow of ammunition.
Russia on the other hand is consuming shells at an unsubstainable rate. Their artillery fire is more inaccurate and that problem is only getting worse. It now lacks counter-battery radars. And it lacks modern artillery pieces, modern ammunition, good crews, good artillery crews and good intelligence and they do not even seem to bother sending up drones to correct their artillery fire after a miss.
So Russias artillery is getting weaker and weaker each month. While Ukraines remains about the same as before. It might even become better as crews earns more skills, and as effectivness is not reduced by counter-battery fire anymore when Russia have no counter-battery radars.
And a future shipment of another hundred extra M109 artillery pieces from Italy will strongly boost Ukraines capabilities even further.
And if things continue down the same path as for the last one and a half year of this war, then would I not be surprised if Ukraine gets ATACMS missiles for their HIMARS - something which would make it impossible to make large supply concentrations 300km near the frontline. It would nearly become hopeless to make any organized resistence when your logistical system is in such ruins.
To me it seems more likely that Russia runs out of artillery fire first. There are many signs that Russia is running low on ammunition. The Wagner group complains about the lack of ammunition. Old T-55 tanks are put into service as artillery pieces - and perhaps because Russia is running low on ammunition of other calibres so they resort to using 100mm tank guns instead of 152mm and 122mm Howitzers.
And lastly do russia convert anti-ship missiles and air-defence missiles into attacking ground targets instead - and that makes me suspect that Russia is running low on ground attack missiles. Because why else would they convert an expensive missile and waste it in that way on a job that its not even designed to do?
If Russia had a plenty of cruise missiles for attacking land based targets, then why aren't it using those instead?
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Harsh words from one jew to another jew.
And well yeah, Kissinger is probably not going down well in the history books. The Nobel prize winner who helped creating Pinotchets dictatorship...
He did stand for a hard line towards North Vietnam. And understandbly so. But now when Ukraine is under attack he does not give that country the same hardline a backing. From my year of studying law I will say that one important word sums up 80% of what laws is all about: Precedent.
Either you upheld a law and apply it to everyone. Or the law falls apart and it apply to no one.
If Russia thinks it can ignore the rules based international order and ignore all laws, invade countries and commit warcrimes... and they get away with it - then surely you will get more people who wanna try to do the same thing.
And it was not enough to give 20% of Georgia to Putin. It was not to give him Crimea. And it surely is not enough to give him Donbass and Luhansk. He wants to take all of Ukraine.
Everyone with an IQ above 60 realize this. Next on the line is probably Moldavia.
And I bet that Putin would wish he could take Finland, the Baltics and Poland as well.
I say we have to stand up against Putin. And if we don't stand up against Putin now, then when should we do it?
Ukraine was a too big country to eat up in one chew for Putin. So I suggest we arm Ukraine. It got a brave army with a great fighting spirit. And even those cynical scumbags not caring about Ukraine, should realize that giving weapons to Ukraine is a way of good self-defence. Russia gets weakened without us having to waste our own blood in order to do so.
Personally I think it is a bit shameful to not fighting ourselves... but it is better than doing nothing I guess - just ask the Ukrainians what they think...
And I don't cry about all Swedish surplus weapons that are being used up or destroyed in combat. We can build more of those. And we got time to do so. And those weapons were built to fight Russians... and the only difference is that AT4 is now fired by an Ukrainian pair of hands instead of a Swedish pair of hands.
Personally I think it is beautiful that Swedish steel are used to defend freedom, the independence of one people, and fighting evil.
We build long term friendships with other countries - in this case the largest country in Europe with 40 million people. We gave them help when they were on their knees. And one day when independent Ukraine thanks to its large resources become a rich and very powerful country in Europe, we do have a big and powerful grateful friend by our side.
I think other countries should be reasoning in the same way.
I also think it is time for the non-western countries to stop licking Putins butt. They might dislike the west for a mix of good and bad reasons. But this war is not about EU and USA. It is about if one think it is acceptable to start an unprovoved war and commit war crimes.
3rd world countries need to realize that Russia is not their friends. Now Putin is willing to murder hundreds of millions of people with starvation by blocking the Ukrainian food supplies to Africa, Asia and elsewhere. It is now in their self-interest to stand up against Putin and unite to get those damn ships with wheat transported without being attacked by Russian ships and planes.
Or you can be okay with sitting down quiet and doing nothing and let 200 million people die from hunger.
That is more than 3 times more than Hitler killed. That says a lot what scumbag Putin is. Not only do he murder civilians in Chechenya, Georgia, Syria, Ukraine and possibly also kills Russians in false flag attacks. He also threatens with nuclear war that can kill a billion people.
If that is the man that countries like India wants as their friend, then I must ask what the hell is wrong with the moral compass in your country?
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AndyWoohoo666
I do not doubt Emil Eneblad is pro-Sweden and against russia. I am quite happy seeing this video actually because there are people with some correct views that are not like the party leadership that is towing the Kremlin line. So I got nothing personally against Emil or the average Sweden democrat.
What I do hate about politics is all enigmatic statements, where politicians gives a hint what they really wanna do, but does not dare to say unpopular things openly because then would everyone stop voting for them. Like that Trump cannot openly say that he supports the dictatorship russia and wants to throw Ukraine under the bus. Party leader Jimmie Åkessons statement that we cannot give endless support to Ukraine should fall into the same category as Trumps statements that he wants to make peace over a single day (and the only way to achieve this is to betray Ukraine and cut all US military aid to them, and since Europe does not have the military muscles to compensate for a US withdrawal of support would this be catastrophic for Ukraine).
All these other nonsense ideas imported from the populist right in USA and continental Europe also becomes extremely silly in a Swedish context. We do not have many religious fundamentalists here in Sweden like in USA, Hungary or Poland. A large part of the population are atheists, and I guess the majority are non-practionary believers. So obsessing about abortion makes no sense in a Swedish context. The issue is dead here. If you try to take away womens rights your party will tank.
And cancel culture and woke are things they obsess about in USA, Germany and Hungary. We do not need those things here. We are adults. We got better issues to talk about.
So flirting with these Putinists parties is something the Sweden democrats has done for some years now. And that is not a good sign, when we see Le Pen, Trump, Farage, AFD, Orban, Wilders, Fico side with Russia. So the Sweden democrats should stay Swedish and democrat. And not continental European.
I think your literarly interpretation of what Åkesson said is incorrect. You have to read between the lines. And you also have to look at the wider context when this statement has been made.
Talking about an upper limit is just silly. This is a war very much in our national interest, and then we should spend a large chunk of our GDP to win it. Borrow and spend the money needed to win and taking up the bill can we do later is probably what we would have done if Finland was attacked by the Commies.
And I think we should do a similiar thing for Ukraine. I am not saying we should give Ukraine half of our GDP or something. Right now have both Norway and Denmark given more of their GDP to Ukriaine than Sweden so talking about upper limits to our aid to Ukraine now is just silly. A totally useless statement, unless its meant as russian propaganda.
We are surrounded by other Nato countries. What will happen if we gave away "too much" weapons to Ukraine?
Will Denmark that just gave away all of their artillery to Ukraine now see a chance to invade Sweden and retake Scania after some 350 years?
Our military equipment was built with only one possible enemy in mind. So I see it as a criminal waste of resources that we do not put it into its intended use. Its better that the enemy is fought in Ukraine than having to fight him here in Sweden later on as I sees it. Losing a CV90 in battle and having its crew killed is tragic. But from a cynical selfish Swedish perspective is it better that Ukrainian are the ones fighting inside that CV90 than we are losing our own countrymen doing this fight.
Ukrainians will die in this war no matter what, and we have the ability to save Ukrainian lives by giving them better weapons. We can build more vehicles. We can pick up the price tab later.
Our government made a huge military support package for Ukraine of 70 billion Swedish crowns (about 7 Billion Euros).
That is much defense money even for countries like Germany and USA, just to put some scale to things. However are we drowning ourselves in debt as Åkesson and the Russian bots say?
Not really. 70 billion out of Sweden's GDP of 5000 billion per year, is not crushing us.
So either are the people making this argument clueless about economics. Or they are insincere dishonest liars that tries to mislead the public to help russia.
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