Comments by "Nattygsbord" (@nattygsbord) on "Econ Lessons"
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I have only met one Chinese person, so I know its wrong to base the opinion of 1.5 to 2 billion people on him only. But due to the lack of better information I now do it anyways. My impression from him was that Chinese are very very nationalistic and a bit arrogant towards other countries and look down upon our culture.. like for example Swedens relaxed attitude towards face masks during the pandemic.
He saw the Chinese government as strong and doing what was necessary. My impression however, is that many Chinese was eventually fed up with the harsh lockdown in China last year and public protests was so strong that the government had to scrap all restriction as it no longer seemed able to guarantee regime security with huge protests in many Chinese cities all over the country.
China had some imperialist ambitions. It has not been that so much for thousands of years, with a few exceptions like the invasion of Vietnam that of course ended with a failure (as it always does nor the Mongols, Japanese, French, or Americans could beat them either).
However, since the introduction of Communism have China been quite imperialistic and aggressive. It joined the Korean war. It invaded Tibet. It invaded India. It have been shelling Taiwan. It invaded Vietnam to help their genocidal Maoist regime in Cambodia under Pol Pot.
They was also at war with russia for a while. And they have been sabre rattling a bit over some pacific islands against Japan. And they did not respect the promise to keep Hong kongs democracy and self-determination that they gave the British in exchange of being given back that island.
Chinas belt and road iniative is considered as a strategy of Chinese imperalist ambitions to seize control over habors and such by handing out shark loans to foreign countries. The Chinese themselves however claims that they only have noble ambitions. But personally do I guess that the truth lay somehwere in between.
Chinese bots can be seen online, even if they are much less active than Rusbots. China is however a country led by a wiser leadership than russia. And its strong 10% annual GDP growth it had in the 1990s and early 2000s was probably key for the self-preservation for the regime. It had to create jobs and lift millions out of poverty to avoid food riots and such. And to be fair have the regime been quite succesful and won some popularity and support from the Chinese people.
Today is the country however too technologically backwards and its navy too much low quality and small to win a war against USA. But the Chinese are aggressivly expanding its navy and military and they ruthlessly steals technology from USA, Europe and Russia. And to be fair, this is what every other country also would have done in their situation. They need to aquire modern technologies to make better products, increase military power, and to develop more production effiency and productivity in their economy so they can better compete on the world markets and lift millions of people out of poverty.
The west is unhappy that they steal our technologies without paying. But the Chinese respond that we did the same to them when we took their technolgoies like gun powder, paper, book printing and the compass.
Russia was very unhappy when they exported a small number of SU-27 fighter jets to China in the 1990s. And then they instantly saw the Chinese reverse engineer those planes and then copied then and mass produced them. Relations between russia and China remained salty for many years after that, but then China grow richer and could pay for their stuff and make the russians happy again. And Russia was starved of cash and happily sold more weapons to China. But personally do I doubt that this trade will go on forever. China is learning how to make weapons from russia, and in combination from all know-how they import from western countries are China soon becoming more technologically superior compared to russia and no longer need to import stuff from them as they can make better stuff themselves.
China is a country that also abuse its economic power to bully and blackmail smaller countries. But Germany and France are to pre-occupied to sell stuff to the Chinese so they happily throw allied countries like Sweden and Canada under the bus when China uses its enormous force to bully those small democracies into submission. France and Germany are not only betraying USA by not helping them in the trade war against China. They are also betraying fellow EU countries and allies like Sweden with their selfish behaviour and cowardice.
Indeed they are even harming themselves with their greed.
The Chinese only allows foreign countries access to the huge Chinese market if they hand over their secret modern technologies to China.
So the Chinese copies those technolgies and learn how to make cars just as good as the German ones and make cheaper copies of them with low chinese wages and outcompete western firms. Chinese money are flowing into Europe, and some say its a good thing. But when the Chinese buys up harbors like Hamburg then it is a national security concern. And when the crown jewels of future promosing high tech firms like Kuka industries in Germany gets bought up by China, then do China grow their economic potential on other countries expense with unfair competition, where China got free trade and free access to European markets where they can buy up European firms. But European companies are not allowed into the Chinese market without government permission.
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- If the russian economy was healthy then it would have large numbers of Fortune 500 companies, as those gigantic companies often is the home of lots of technological know-how that leads to productivity increases in an economy. They also generate much profits. Russia have no such company outside of the fossile fuel sector, or banking related to it. To me this is a sign of failure, to establish any technological leadership in any field.
- If the economy was healthy, then I don't think it would have a 15% interest rate.
- If the economy was healthy, then the currency would be super strong and not lose value against the dollar when the interest rate is 15%.
- If the russian economy was strong would the number of car producer not fall from 60 down to a dozen in just 2 years.
- If the russian economy was healthy, then it would be diversified so it would not be fragile to economic shocks. The russian stock market took the most severe downturn of any economy during the financial crisis which can be interpreted as a symptom of this. Of course was the recovery fast. But the large volatility in itself is not healthy in my opinion, and makes long term planning and growth difficult.
- If the russian economy was healthy, then I do not think that 25% of the population would lack indoor plumbing and men have an average life expectancy than that of Haiti.
- If the Russian economy was healthy then I think that their government would have a lifting of western sanctions the top 1 priority for russia in the grain deal. If their economy is doing so well as they claim themselves, then why care about the sanctions? why not try to get something better out of the deal?
Russia is a country with 144 million people like Mexico that makes the claim of being a super power while only having an economy the size of Spain, or New York City. Income per capita is also pretty low, which matters for a countrys military potential as could allow a substitution for labor with machines/industrial robots/tractors if you got a high average income in your country. And that can allow you to replace more farmers, and industrial workers with mechanization so that more men can be dressed in uniform and sent to the frontline to fight.
Poor economies usually only can mobilize 40-60% of their GDP for war. While richer industrial countries like USA could easily mobilize 80% during WW2, and then did USA not even try their best to go all in. USA did actually begin to demobilize their war economy already in late 1943 before it had fully geared up, because it had realized that the axis had already lost the war. So orders for more weapons was cancelled - like the worlds biggest battleship of the Montana class.
Economic strength do in itself of course not determine the outcome of a war. Sometimes do small economies beat larger ones. But economies with a low GDP per capita is usually more fragile and will break from economic pressures.. as could nicely be seen in World war 1... where the first countries to break apart was the weakest economies. First fell russia in 1917, then fell the Austro-Hungarian empire, and then did Germany fall before the richer Britain did.
Russia is a country with much corruption. It have an ageing population and low birthrates. And having young men fleeing the country. And having young men die before they can make kids and contribute to the economy is a painful loss to russia. Losing 400.000 young men was the best part of the population for russia. Its said that for every 1 dead soldier are there 2 wounded - and one of them is severely wounded. This ratio is a rough estimation that is of course not true for every war. American medical care is certainly better than the russian one, so there are less fatalities and less amounts of smaller wounds that are left without treatment and become more serious problems. In Vietnam did USA have 6 wounded soldiers for every 1 soldier killed. And I think it is highly unlikely russia ever will come close to such a ratio.
So russia have thereby lost 400.000 young men in battle. Another 400.000 have ended up with losing arms, legs and eyes. And another 400.000 got minor injuries and will likely come home after the war with PTSD, alcohol problems and drug use as a coping mechanism as the non-existent state care for their veterans will offer them no help at all. And the result is more crimes, and more relationship problems and men beating their wives.
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Sweden fought alone against an alliance of countries with a 40 times larger population for 21 years during the great northern war, and still did it at many occasions come close to victory. I would say that the russian army was as much garbage back then as it is today. Just look at its track record.
The Swedes did beat the Russians at Narva in 1700
37.000 Russians fought 10.500 Swedes. Russia lost 9000 men and 20.700 men was captured. Sweden lost 667 dead.
In 1701 came the battle of Düna. The Russian and Saxon forces outnumbered Sweden 2 to 1, and had the advantage of a strong defensive position behind a river. Russia lost the battle with 1300 dead and 700 men captured. While Sweden lost 100 dead.
Next came the battle of Rauge in 1701, where 7000 Russians faced 2000 Swedes. Russia lost the battle and lost 2000 men. Sweden lost 50 men.
The next humiliation was the battle of Saločiai in 1703. Here 6000 Russians stood against 1,100 Swedes. Russia lost the battle with 1500 men killed and over a thousand flags fell in enemy hands, while only 40 Swedes died.
In 1704 was a Russo-Polish force of 15.000 men beaten up by a Swedish force of 3000 men (plus 2000 Lithuanians) in the battle of Jakobstadt. Sweden won the battle, and lost 238 men, while the Russian-Polish side lost 2300 men dead and 500 men were captured.
At Gemauerthof in 1705; did 7000 Swedes fight a Russian force of between 13.000 or 20.000 men. Sweden won the battle with 1900 men in casualties, while Russian losses numbered 5000.
In 1706 did a Russian-Saxon force of 20.000 men go into battle against 9400 Swedes in the battle of Fraustadt.
Sweden won the battle with 400 Swedes killed in battle, while the Russian and Saxon losses were 7377 dead, and 7,900 captured.
At the battle of Grodno, in january did a Swedish force of 800 men attack a Russian force of 9000 men. Sweden won the battle, and lost only 11 men killed. While Russian losses was higher: 150 men killed and 50 captured.
The battle of Holowczyn took place in 1708, 12,500 Swedes went into battle against a Russian force 28.000-40.000 men strong.
This dangerous river crossing by Swedish forces, became the favorite victory of the Swedish King Charles XII. Sweden lost 265 men killed, while Russian losses numbered 2000 men.
A few weeks later was it time for the battle of Malatitze. A Swedish force of 5000 men fought 13.000 Russians. Sweden won the battle, losing 1050 men killed or wounded, while Russian losses was 2,700 men killed or wounded.
Then a month later came the battle of Rajovka in september 1708. 2.400 Swedes fought against 10.000 Russians. Sweden won the battle, and lost 100 men killed while Russia had 375 of their men killed.
In January 1709 was the battle of Oposhnya, where 2000 Swedes fought against 6000 Russians. The battle ended with a Swedish victory. 19 Swedish men were lost while Russia lost 450.
12 days later came the battle of Krasnokutsk–Gorodnoye. 2.500 Swedish riders went to battle against a Russian force of about 5000 to 10.000 men strong. The battle ended with a Swedish victory, with 132 Swedish soldiers lost while Russia lost 1200.
1719 was the battle of Stäket where 1200 Swedish soldiers defeated a Russian force of 3000 men. Sweden lost 101 men while Russia lost 500.
So which army was the better one? I would argue that the Swedish army was clearly the better one.
Russias army was garbage. It fought only against 1 enemy unlike Sweden. And yet did it performed so poorly. And almost every war russia fought is like this. World war 1 is like this. World war 2 is like this. The current war in Ukraine is like this.
High losses and a snail phase of advance are what is typical for the russian army throughout history.
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I think the Ukrainians have given much value for our money for all Swedish military aid given to them.
It is an obligation for us to help Ukraine, but it is also in our self-interest. Can we repair the country, then we do not have to see refugee waves coming to other countries in Europe and causing problems such as housing shortages, shortages for jobs, integration problems, the need for more doctors, nurses, teachers and policemen as the population grow and so on.
A strong Ukraine is also a good market for selling our products to. And it can contribute a lot with to us with their plentiful cheap resources and food. We are stronger togheter militarily and economically our fellow western democracy. It makes me sad to have to see them fight this war alone and sacrifice their own youth, and their men and blood for a war they never wanted.
So the least we could do is to help them in every other way if we do not wanna fight this war ourselves. Its simply a moral obligation.
And yes money will be wasted in theft, corruption, bad planning and so on. But that happens in all big buisness as well. And I never heard anyone say that our grocery store firms should be shut down because 3% of their products goes to waste due to shop lifting, or food pass its expiration date, or because someone working at the store accidentally drops a few glass bottles into the floor so they get destroyed.
Our grocery stores can still make a profit and provide valuable things to society.
And indeed even extremely corrupt dictatorships can improve lifes for their citizens. Suharto stole half of his countrys national wealth and put it on to foreign bank accounts. But thanks to strong GDP growth of his country was life improved also for the average citizen a lot under his rule.
So I do not think we should cut all foreign aid and turn our backs on corrupt countries. And especially not for Ukraine for us Europeans, as this country is in our own neighbourhood, and is soon a member of our EU club. Its also a young fellow democracy needing our help and deserving of it. Ukraine belongs to the same cultural sphere as us Europeans, so its our obligation to help them.
India says that they do not care about Europe. So if they don't care Ukraine, then we should care about them as no one else do.
And frankly, if thats the attitude people outside the western world have. Then I rather cut aid to the middle east and Africa and shove that money into Ukraine instead. Then can India pay for helping the middle east instead, as this area is not near us geographically or culturally.
I do not understand why my Swedish tax money should have to go to Hamas.
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Putin reminds me of his own favorite Tsar Nicholas who started the Crimean war despite Russias backwardness and despite England and France was the richest high technological industrial superpowers of their age.
And the reason why Tsar Nicholas and Tsar Putin believed in victory was the same. The west was decadent, materialistic, lazy, too comfortable, individualistic, unwilling to sacrifice blood and sweat, and unmanly. While Russia was manly, stubborn, brave, they were used to hardships, they were patriotic and understood the meaning of self-sacrifice for the greater good.
It was believed that those virtues would compensate for russias technological, economical and manpower disadvantage.
But Putin despite his love for history have failed to see that he is not the first one to have this faulty belief that wars could be won only by superior morality.
Tsar Nicholas lost the Crimean war for Russia. Hundreds of thousands of people died for nothing for this childish man that had some silly fantasies about being a succesful conqueror King. Russia lost that war.
Japan in World war 2 thought that the superior Japanese soldier would beat the industrial might of the decadent, comfortable, westerners that were unwilling to die for their country or for anything. But Japan had their asses kicked and lost the war anyways. And this was despite the Japanese undoubtably were fanatical and literarly fought til the last man and never surrendered, and japanese soldiers continued to fight for the emperor even decades after the war had ended on some remote pacific islands. So if not even fanatical Japanese bushido warriors could defeat the industrial might of the west, or German military professionalism. Then do I hold no doubt that russia will lose its future wars against the west. The russian soldier is less willing to fight than his western counterparts and more willing to surrender. And the lack of industrial might is even worse than that Germany had against USA. And nor do russia hold any manpower advantage like it had in previous world wars.
Russias hopes and dreams are unrealistic. Putin just do the same mistake as previous Tsars. And russia will pay a high price for this for many decades to come.
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I think this question if it is good or bad is irrelevant for the discussion here. Here is the thing, Putin and Trump try to win support by proclaiming they are the defenders of the Christian faith. You and I as non-religious people might not care about this issue as we are non-religious. However people like us are a tiny minority in many countries, including USA and Russia. To many is this issue relevant because they are religious. However neither Trump or Putin live like Christians and they act contrary to Christian values, so they do not deserve the support from Christian voters. Indeed, Putin is not a Christian at all, and no matter how many homophobic and anti-woke things he say will ever change that fact. He has broken against the basic Christian commandments. And nor does he feel any regret, shame or guilt over it. On the contrary. He will happily start a new war in the future as soon as this war is over and he have rebuilt his military.
Putin is thereby no just non-christian. He is anti-christian. He supports murder, theft, lying, corruption, and opression.
Jesus spoke about love, compassion and forgiveness of past sins.
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You want to go beyond just selling raw materials, and also sell more advanced stuff. Learn from Sweden development in iron ore and timber.
Sweden have iron ore that it can mine → around that Sweden built a steel industry → from the steel industry did Sweden start to also make machine tools → from the machine tool industry did Sweden begin to also make ships, airplanes, cars, trucks → this led to more demand for steel from the Swedish steel industry so it expanded even more → the ovens in the steel industry needed electricity, so Sweden decided to build hydroelectric power dams and nuclear plants → the know-how in electronics made Sweden a world leader in civilian nuclear power in the 1960s → and from electronic products did Sweden move into making mobile phones from Ericsson
Sweden have timber → But instead of just cutting down a tree and selling the tree to another country, did Sweden decide to make more money from the tree. So Sweden began making paper from trees. And that paper could be sold to other countries for a higher profit → Paper production needs lots of chemical to make, so this led to the creation of a chemical industry in Sweden → During World war 2 was Sweden neutral, but could not import medicine from other countries because the war had cut off all trade, so in a desperate situation was Sweden forced to make its own medicine and the government asked the chemical industry for help - and that led to the birth of Swedens pharmaceutical industry with companies like Astra, Pharmacia and Kabi.
So today as you see have Sweden got a very diverse and knowledge based economy. The demand for medicine is nearly endless. Sweden makes worldclass weapon systems with everything from fighter jets to submarines to tanks. And as a world leader in nuclear energy was Sweden close to making its own atomic bomb. The country was also the largest shipbuilder in the world after World war 2.
Losec made by Astra did become the worlds most sold medicine when it was introduced in the 1990s. Ericsson grew to the largest company on the Swedish stock market surpassing Volvo during the same time. So the country have constantly tried to develop further and further up the value chain instead of just being content with selling timber and iron to other countries.
Sweden export gigantic amounts of iron ore. 90% of all iron in the EU comes from Sweden. Just the mine up in Kiruna alone produce enough iron each day to make 13 Eiffel towers! But despite this do this industry only make up 1% of Swedens economy today.
So if Sweden had not diversified its economy would it certainly have been very much poorer today.
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Its military was difficult to maintain also during the Cold war, it was always the more technologically backwards opponent that built primitive stuff at a low quality and its equipment is therefore ageing less well than that made in the west. At the end of the Cold war did it become difficult to maintain this collossos. Having an army based on quantity meant that the male workforce was dressed in uniform and therefore became economically unproductive.
Also focusing large parts of the economy around military production made the economy unproductive in improving life in general. And wasting what little of what remained of the economy on Lenin statues, space programs, propaganda, parades and such did not help.. and in the long run would it make the east bloc struggle economically.
This obsession of prestige also harmed its military capacity. The country built useless aircraft carriers for prestige reasons when it should have built small ships for coastal warfare instead.
Now with a declining population and aged equipment will russias military situation only get worse. Fewer men will remain in the workforce if the country decides to keep its old Soviet military model. Reforming the army and go from an army of large numbers to a smaller force of more quality will take much money and investments. And now when russia have lost their best military gear in Ukraine do I think it is fair to say that 20 years of progress in has been wiped out.
Much costs of maintaining old Soviet junk has of course been removed, as tanks have become burning wrecks in Ukraine.
But this military is still too large for russia to afford. And losing a few million men to combat deaths, wounds, braindrain do make the current negative trend even worse for russia.
Its population is ageing and needs upkeep, but the young people are becoming fewer, and the military cannot suck up all of them. And there are no Soviet satellite states that can share the cost of burden like back in the cold war.
The country needs to replace old rusty AK-47 and steel helmets with kevlar helmets, and body armor. And Soviet tanks needs to be scrapped and replaced by T-90 tanks and T-14 Armata. And while SU-35 is a good plane by todays standards, do the future not look good for the russian air force as it still haven't built a single 5th generation fighter jet, while other countries are developing their 6th generation fighter.
This is a bad omen for them. And even after billions of Indian money and years spent are their SU-57 still not finished, and it will probably never be. It cannot compete with F22 or F35 in terms of stealth. Indeed, I would argue that even the old Gripen E is superior to it in most things, including stealth, while also being cheaper.
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Natural resources can be a great aid of economic growth if they are used correctly - as in the case of USA and Sweden. The problem for russia is that they have never bothered to climb up the ladder of industrialization to make manufactured goods. Simple ones in the beginning like perhaps beer, toys, milk and such. And then make a bit more technologically advanced stuff once they have learned to master the simple levels of industrialization. And then the final step is to become a world champion in making high tech products that few other countries can produce.. like jet engines or nuclear reactors and be a world leader in those fields.
Russia needs to use mercantilism to create those new companies. 144 million consumers is a good start. Paying for importing machinery and new production technologies can be done with fossile fuels, that is a good start. Corruption is a problem, but on the other hand did corruption not stop China from growing into the workshop of the world. But the oil income must be invested for the benifit of the country, and not for the benifit of the corrupt and incompetent ruling elite and wasted on wars and military spending.
Industralization is key in lifting a country out of poverty. Because the industrial sector have much higher productivity levels than agriculture , mining or service sector jobs. During the industrial revolution could the cotton industry increase its output 400 fold. A skilled worker could produce maybe 2000-3000 cigars per a 16 hour workday. Today do we have industrial robots that can spit out 6000 cigarettes per minute.
Such productivity level increases cannot be done in other parts of the economy. If you tell a hairdresser to cut 400 times more people per hour, you would probably not end up with good haircuts. A chef could probably not make 400 times more meals per hour. And a hen could not lay 400 times more eggs in a year, and there is a limit how much you can increase milk production from a cow, or how much wheat you can reap from an acre of land in a single year.
Another benifit with manufacturing goods is that when you make products that people wants but not many got the know how or the ability to produce it - then you have less competition and can charge higher prices for your products. While competition is very hard on the world markets when you try to sell a ton of salmon, coal or copper. But not every country knows how to make a smartphone or a patriot missile.
Russia cannot perhaps compete on world markets today with their inferior products. So increasing exports is hard for now. It is however easier to cut imports of foreign manufactured goods if they learn to make some simple manufacturing goods themselves and sell it to russian consumers and block imports from foreign countries with tariffs. That will help russia improve its balance of trade. And it would help to nurture new companies. And when they have grown large and strong enough to fight conquer shares of world exports, then can the government cut down on its subsidies and tariffs and let the companies stand on their own feet.
And instead can the government focus on creating new high tech sectors.
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Nationalists exists in all countries. They exaggerate their own countrys importance and turn a blind eye to embaressing set backs.
Russian nationalists do this however to an extreme degree not seen in any other country in Europe - which is why I regard every russian "history book" as worthless sci-fiction. They ignore all genocide and opression. They do not call World war 2 for World war 2 in Russia. For russians did world war two not start in 1939 with Germany and Russia invading Poland, the Baltics and Finland.
But instead do Russians use the term "The Great Patriotic war" and say that world war two began in 1941, and they ignore everything that happened before that year and pretend that Russia somehow was the defender and victim in this war, and not the aggressor that criminally helped to start this war.
Nor have Russia apologized for the wars and occupation of Finland. No attempts have been done to deal with the crimes of the Soviet union like Germany did with their Nazi past.
And russian history ignores military failures. For them did nothing happen during the Great Northern War until the battle of Poltava in 1709 which they won. And they try to pretend that they did not lose 19 out 20 battles for the rest of that war despite having 4 times numerical superiority against a country with limited manpower reserves that was fighting a two front war against an enemy coalition with a population 40 times larger.
Russian nationalists refuse to talk about the war with Finland, and even less about all battles. But instead they narrow everything down to the peace settlement in their attempt to make the russian military look competent, while everyone in the world knows that they got themselves completely humiliated against Finland in 1939 and in 1944.
Russian nationalists produce fake statistics in an attempt to make their own combat losses against Nazi-Germany seem less humiliating for Russia. And they try to pretend that lend lease played no role at all for Russias victory. But fact is that Russia suffered the worst military defeats in history in humiliating military disasters like the battle of Kiev in 1941, where 600.000 troops were captured by the Germans in just a single battle. Any other army in history would have lost the war after suffering such hard losses.
But the russians have not performed impressivly in other wars either. They lost the Crimean war. They suffered a humiliating loss in the russo-japanese war. World war 1 was a catastrophic defeat for russia. Russia failed to conquer Poland in the 1920s. They lost the war in Afghanistan. They failed in Chechenya. The Georgian army did do well against the russian forces, but a small country with 3.8 million people with no western help stood no chance against Russia. So not so much of a victory to brag about for Russia.
Indeed defeating Finland when it was the poorest country in Europe, and now doing so badly against Ukraine today (the country with the lowest GDP per capita in Europe) is not that impressive either.
Its a country that has always brought stone age equipment to war. During the Great Northern War (1700-1721) was Russia and Sweden the two most oldest equipped armies in Europe, and the only ones still using pikemen and big heavy muskets with bayonets built for close combat with bayonets rather than lighter muskets for firing that was easier to carry. During the Crimean war in the mid 1800s, did Russia not have any industrial base so its troops were often equipped with muskets from the early and mid-1700s as they lacked modern muskets to fight against Britain and France.
During World war 1, did the Russian artillery quickly run out of ammunition after the first months of the war. And for the rest of the war could russian industry only produce a tiny number of shells each month. A German artillery piece on average fired more shells in 2-3 days than what a russian one did in a month. And so few rifles were made that many russian units often had to share 1 rifles for 2 men, and do attacks in the same style as in the movie "enemy at the gates".
And such meatwave attacks are still common in later wars, such as World war 2 and in the war in Ukraine.
Not only have russia lost most wars it have fought the last 200 years. It have usually been beaten further back in history, and its few victories were usually won when it fought in coalitions with other countries - like against Poland, Sweden and Napoleon. Russian nationalists loves to call russia for "the destroyer of great armies" but Charles XII still had a good chance of winning the Great Northern War even as late as 1718. The performance of the Russian army against Frederick the Great was rather one of humiliation in my opinion. The battle of Zorndorf have falsely been remembered as a russian victory, while in reality did Russia lose that battle.
Kunersdorf was a great defeat for Frederick, but what russian nationalists forgets to mention is that Frederick did crush the Russian army in that battle and forced it into a wild retreat and demoralized it for months to come. The Prussians did run behind the russian army and chasing it, and then did the Austrian army under Laudon see an opportunity for a counter-attack against the scattered and exhausted prussian troops and inflicted a painful defeat on Frederick. So did Russia win a great victory in this fight? Nope. They suffered a humiliating defeat, but could participate in the victory parade after the battle anyways.
Also Gross-Jägersdorf was really just non-victory for Russia in the seven years war. So they had nothing positive to show for their participation in this war.
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If Sweden invaded Finland. And if Swedish troops there behaved like the russian army in Ukraine, and murdered, raped, plundered, destroyed cities, turned villages into dust and rubble, kidnapped thousands of children to brainwash them, built torture chambers for finns, forbade finns from speak their own language in occupied lands, forbade them from waving finlands flag, killed people for supporting finlands independence on facebook... and behaving like scum in general....
well then I could very well understand if the Swedish speaking minority would not want anything to do with Sweden.
They would rightfully hate Sweden for destroying their cities and killing their neighbours. And the Ukrainians feels the same way towards russia today.
But for some reason are some people not clever enough to figure that one out.
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Reminds me of a story in the Bible.
Mark 10:17
As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
Jesus answered. You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.
“Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.
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One could divide up the economy into consumer goods, capital goods and military goods.
Russia have always screwed over the consumers, for the sake of the other two. I know that other people don't have the same goals and priorities as me, I see that every time people vote in an election. However I think that is unhealthy and harmful to never throw a bone to the consumers and let people enjoy life. And exaggerated military spending harms the economy in the long run.
Consumers needs to enjoy life. That gives them an incentive to work and to wanna live in the country. It makes people happy - and that is important as we only live a short time on this planet. And sure could one argue that investments into capital goods and long term productivity is better for creating a better life for future generations and will make life better for the country in the long run. But I do however think that we should not forget to also make life better for people who lives on this planet here and now. Taking the entire budget for healthcare and not curing patients today and instead investing all that money into research to find cures for all possible diseases in the long run might benefit endless amounts of people of the future generations. However I think that we also needs to take care of people who live here and now. Otherwise would I not wanna live in a country that sacrifice all human happiness for the greater good and for the future.
I also believe that investments in infrastructure and capital goods will last forever. It will rust, get destroyed by wear and tear, and computers will become old outdated and useless after a few decades. And if there are no demand for the products produced because consumers are opressed - then there are no incentive to produce any goods as there are no buyers for them. And it doesn't matter if the government subsidise production, and minimize production costs by lowering taxes down to 0% and forcing state owned banks to give loans at 0% interest. If there are no demand for the goods, then nothing will be produced by the companies.
And then no one will get employed, and no tax money from the companies will be gained. And the economy dies.
Soviet leaders don't like to hear this, but maybe the people should have more consumer goods instead of trying to invest as much as possible and build weapons. Sure will people buy dumb junk for their money.. USB-toasters, devices for bleaching backholes, books about silly conspiracies, fashion, green ping pong balls and good who knows what.
But if that is what makes people happy, then I think that those things have a value for human happiness.
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I think the mentality was formed of this time period. When you look at old peoples homes you always see them save up things, including total garbage. They truely embraced the 2nd hand trend so to say. They rather kept things and tried to repair them than throwing them away. And in old peoples homes you can see old ugly butter packages being repurposed after the butter is gone, and becoming used as boxes.
Compare that to the current day mentality of throwing away things and buying something new. Its often cheaper to buy a new computer than repairing and old lap top that is a little bit broken.
I think that says a lot. Resources was scarce during the great depression and people had to make do with what ever little they had. And even if some people did get rich and succesful later on, would their values and habits still live on long after the economic crisis was gone and economic growth was strong.
Its also clear that people have their worldview stuck in the past. People who had their worldview formed in the 1950s often have an over romanticised view of free trade, the EU and an obsessive fear about inflation leading to Hitler.
We who was born in the 1980s see a society without any progress like more vacation, shorter workdays, better healthcare, better pensions, full employment. But rather a failed economy without affordable housing where it is hard to form families and have kids.
I think there are pros and cons with those worldviews and values. One thing I think we should however avoid is to let these biases of the elderly generations getting too much power over decision making. I think outdated beliefs are harmful. Just like using tactics that worked on the battlefields of the old days do more harm than good on a modern battlefield. The worldview must constantly be updated.
Just like the military. Walking in line formations and wearing colorful uniforms and letting flutes and drums play is not very effiecent if you fight against an enemy with minefields, machine guns, barbed wire, and HIMARS artillery.
Many laws of economics from the past are still valid today, just like some general principles of strategy and logistics.
However the world today is not the same as in the past. And that needs to be taken into account.
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I think most improvement reforms in history have taken place after disasters, and when people are angry and will not take it anymore and the working class and middle class demand for example the right to vote and universal healthcare and veterans benefits in exchange for fighting for the capitalists against USSR or Hitler.
In France it was 1789 that led to the French revolution and the end of the ineffiecent parasitical feudal state. The disasterous
defeat of Denmark in 1658 led to the end of the corrupt rule of the nobles, and a strong Danish state was created with a permanent tax system that could support a standing army. In the past did Denmark not have any peace time army since the nobles did not wanna pay taxes for it. And as a result did the Danish army not have any well trained regiments, and the armies were quickly put togheter in times of war against Sweden who had a well trained army with men who had trained togheter with each other for years and therefore knew each other well and would fight and die for their best friends. That team spirit did not exist in the Danish army before a new army was created that existed both in times of peace and war.
Likewise did Swedens military setback against Poland at Kircholm in 1605 force drastistic military changes to how the military was organized. And the defeat against Denmark in 1613 forced Sweden to make drastic changes to its tax system and resource mobilization. And the result of these changes made Sweden the strongest military power in Europe of the 1600s, capable of conquering Moscow in 1610, defeating Denmark twice, occupying all of modern day Germany in 1630 and defeating the might Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
And the rise of corrupt nobles that put self-interest before national interest and refused to spend taxes for a strong military led to the disasterous Scanian war for Sweden in 1679. And the result became strong public anger, and the King, the people, the clergy and the mechant class united against the nobles and forced them to resign much of the wealth they had gained the last decades. And the result became good government finances and a strong military.
The catastrophic defeat of Japan 1853, forced the country to make drastic changes to its society. It modernized it military according to German model, its navy according to the British model, its education system to the american model and later on German model, its banking system and legal system was modelled after Belgium and France and so on.
And soon would Japan rise as a great strong economic power and a military power.
So necessity seems to be a mother of innovation.
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There are evil people who were vegetarians like Hitler. And there were evil people who were meat eaters like Pol Pot.
Some of histories worst mass murderers were Muslims and Christians, while others were atheists. For some of them did religion play a big role in their motivation for killing people, while in other cases had their religion nothing to do with their deeds.
In Putins case, it seems like he is just a soulless person. He cares about himself, and his ideology seems to be russian imperalism and supremacism. He wants a life in endless luxury and expanding the russian empire and he is prepared to walk over millions of dead bodies to get reach his goal.
He knows that what he is doing is wrong but do it anyways. This war was always totally avoidable. Just like his other wars.
Before the invasion 2022 he even manufactured hitlists for Ukrainians he wanted arrested and murdered. Ukrainian patriots and people in leadership position that had the potential to lead a rebellion against the new russian opressive russian rule was to be murdered the same way as the nazis murdered people in Poland as they hoped to destroy Polish culture and national identity.
Professors, teachers, Officers, priests and even boy scouts were killed by the nazis in their 'Intelligenzaktion' and Putin have copied this recipy.
Putin was even so disgusting that he provided his invasion army with crematorium trucks - another idea borrowed from the nazis I guess - so that he could burn all people wanted to kill into ashes. And without any dead bodies in mass graves would there not be any evidence left that could help to prove that Putin was commiting a genocide.
Putins regime has even sunk so low that they built torture chambers for children in Khersun.
And stealing Ukrainian children and murdering their parents is another idea he borrowed from the nazis. Just like all nazi talking points to justify his invasion with "retaking russian historical lands" and "protecting the opressed russian minority inside Ukraine/Georgia".
Truth is that he does not care one bit about the russian speakers in Ukraine. Its not just Ukrainian speaking cities he have destroyed, but he has also destroyed the russian speaking city Mariupol and killing 200.000 civilians in the process. And he have done daily missile attacks against other russian speaking towns like Odesa, Charkiv, Dnipro, and Zaporizjzja.
To me Putin just seem like a childish nazi wannabe ruling a mafia gang.
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I think a problem with Spains Latin American empire was that it was exploitative. Native americans was enslaved. Many died from diseases, and some died from harsh treatment and in violent uprisings. So many died that Spain felt it was better to transition towards a semi-slavery/semi-paid labor workforce. So the native Americans took a forced labor job for spain and got underpaid, over-taxed, over-charged for the food and other stuff they were forced to buy from their slave masters, and the Spainish crown and the local rulers got very rich, while the native americans became very poor.
Society became unequal, and this prevented the rise of a mass consumer economy and therefore could no mass production economy rise either when people were too poor to buy good that were produced. And when England began to rule the waves it became difficult for Spain to rely on their old economic model of selling things to Asia and maintain division of labor. And when the silver mines ran out of silver, then did the economic engine that kept all other industries alive also die out. And places like Mexico deindustrialized.
So sucking the value out as much as possible and letting the rich benefit at the expense of the many is a recipy for economic stagnation.
However economic resources can be a big help to make countries rich - USA and Sweden shows that. But thankfully can also countries witout much natural resources also become rich thanks to innovation and manufacturing - like Japan, Prussia, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea.
Countries that are cold can become rich like Scandinavia and Canada. Countries that are hot tropical climate can also become rich like Singapore. Landlocked countries like Switzerland and Austria have also became rich.
So I think that geological determinism belongs to a time of the past.
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