Comments by "H B" (@capitalb5889) on "Hakim"
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tiglath pileser
“False: under fascism, the economy is controlled by the capitalist, fascism is a form of capitalism. No, liberalism means one thing: it is the ideology of capitalism, private property of the means of production and free trade, that's the one thing liberalism means, yankee ignorance about liberalism is not an argument.”
Really? Are you sure? And what makes you think I am a yank?
“Your political illiteracy is not proof that liberalism means different things to anybody”
I actually think that I am quite politically literate – I have a degree in politics and political philosophy from a well-known Russell Group university, so I had better be sure of my facts. When I refer to “liberalism” in an academic sense, I consider this to be broadly the economics of capitalism. However, if an American uses the term, I know that they mean it to mean left-of-centre interventionism, both socially and economically. I can handle this and don’t lose my shit like a spoilt child.
“it means that americans are politically illiterate and that's not entirely their fault, your school system, if it can be called that is dreadful.”
Again, you seem to think I am American. Did I state that I was? Perhaps my spell-check was in US mode, which it seems to do frequently. Or maybe you were just jumping to conclusions without sufficient evidence. And you are obviously out to insult, but sadly this was rather wide of the mark, by several thousand miles.
“State control in fascism? Fascism leaves the economy in private hands and uses the state to protect and bolster the capitalists, at the expense of the workers. Nationalism is a way to distract people, and the militarism serves as a way to distract and manifacture consent for imperialist conquest to acquire new colonies and neocolonies and also as a way to bolster the capitalists and the rate of profit thanks to state contracts and subsidies”
And now let’s get down to business…yes, I asserted that under fascism, the state controls the economy, because I am correct, and you are wrong. I put this down to your politically illiteracy. Also, I never claimed that fascism did not leave the means of production in private hands – again, you are imagine things.
And if you hadn’t been such an arse about it, we could have had a polite discussion, but as you have, I should remind you that if you are going to be wrong, do not be a massive dick when you are being wrong – you just look ridiculous. You’re like those fuckwits who go mental when an American calls football, “soccer”, despite both terms being British words.
We can start with the Foundation for Economic Education and the article ‘Fascism: Socialism with a Capitalist Veneer’.
https://fee.org/articles/fascism-socialism-with-a-capitalist-veneer/
The subtitle is, ‘Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities.’
Here are a few examples from the text:
‘Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it.’
‘Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities.’
‘[Under fascism] State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions’
‘Under fascism, the state, through official cartels, controlled all aspects of manufacturing, commerce, finance, and agriculture. Planning boards set product lines, production levels, prices, wages, working conditions, and the size of firms. Licensing was ubiquitous; no economic activity could be undertaken without government permission.’
‘The fascist leaders’ antagonism to communism has been misinterpreted as an affinity for capitalism.’
But we should examine more than one source:
https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/economic-leadership-secrets-benito-mussolini
‘[Mussolini] blended nationalism with socialism and came up with economic fascism. This involved private ownership and government control of the economy. Individuals continued to own their property and their businesses, but without the right to do what they wanted. Government told everybody what they must do and not do.’
I could go on, but at nearly 700 words, I think that this is more than enough.
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