Comments by "Brent Jacobs" (@br3nto) on "Evaluating Jordan Peterson's Strangest Religious Argument" video.

11:33 that assume that humans are not able to maintain social order without a higher power intervening. That just seems like a ridiculous proposition to me. It’s ultra pessimistic.
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@Me_Caveman ""God" represents the unchanging standard by which otherwise we'd have none" --- That's a big assumption that "God" represents an unchanging standard. That would maybe be true if there were gods or higher beings to uphold that standard. But then again, what is to say that higher beings don't change over time? If their standards are unchanging, what is the mechanism for that? And this is still totally ignoring the question as to why we should even consider those standards for ourselves inn the first place. Are we really that incapable of deciding on and maintaining standards for ourselves? To what level is that even true or false? Why would we even want unchanging standards?
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The seems to be this weird notion that meaning must be given, or life without meaning is scary, or that we can’t cope without a higher power. All of those things are wrong.
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@DarkMatter2525 with or without god, we have game theory. If everything were permissible we’d have been wiped out long ago. But it’s not, because people naturally work together for the most part. Game theory also explains why societies as a whole may do bad things (regardless of governing religious or secular views); go with the group, or be the “other”. Unfortunately, there are sociopaths, narcissists, and machiavellians that can rise up and corrupt groups of people. This is all irrespective of theist or atheistic views. It’s an unfathomable canyon to jump to consider that people can’t self govern over the long term. Theres just no evidence of that. It’s a hyper pessimistic viewpoint. I know one commenter suggested that without religion there is declining birth rates and materialism etc, I don’t think that’s because of a lack of god. Sure I can see how being told to go forth and multiply would indeed impact birth rates, those qualities are a symptom of unrestrained capitalism, a system where we have sociopaths, narcissists, and machiavellians leading the group. We haven’t yet weeded them out because we are all somewhat benefiting from the system for the time being.
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