Comments by "Cinderball" (@cinderball1135) on "Labour NEC rejects calls for referendum on any Brexit deal" video.

No, resoundingly no. Dropping out of the biggest and closest trading bloc means abandoning all existing deals and privileges, including any say we have in the future of that bloc. Meanwhile, we'll still likely have to comply with their safety standards and quality requirements for food imports and exports, meaning we'll be under the jurisdiction of a body we have no representation in - but used to. Brexit makes zero sense.
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Given how little Theresa May has been wiling to compromise in the past, I think it's a safe bet that the NEC came to this resolution in order to play both sides - they effectively wind up backing a second referendum, without the political cost of being seen to cave to Remainers. It stinks though. They're playing politics while the national interest burns. They're behaving almost as badly as the Tories at this stage...
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If you think everybody who disagrees with you politically is a traitor, then you're more than halfway to becoming a future domestic terrorist, and all denizens of the internet should know to avoid you and your hateful rhetoric. @genericusername3212
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What about the many people who've come of age since the Referendum was first had - people who have just as much of a right to determine the future of this country as you have. And what about the many other people who have changed their minds since then. Current polls put Remain at a 55-45 lead over Leave. Will you try to enforce your policy on an unwilling public - or was this commitment to "Democracy" a big fat lie all the way along?
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Referendums are not particularly democratic, in fact. There's no particularly compelling reason why this one is so sacred. son of Susan
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Unlike you, I'm not trying to exclude people from the conversation. @sjruksjruksjruk There are serious problems in our country, and Brexiters are not wrong about that - I just disagree with them that the EU is to blame, rather than corrupt and incompetent Westminster politicians. Politics isn't about "winning" or "losing" - it's about securing policy that's good for the people. If all you want is to score points, join a chess club.
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The only thing that's "pretty stupid" here is the idea that we're somehow honour bound to follow through on the result of an ADVISORY referendum where the winning side has since come under investigation for cheating - colluding with foreign entities - and spreading outright lies to get a leg up. @shanehull6235
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And what part of the Lisbon Treaty is so rustling your jimmies, @sjruksjruksjruk ?
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Let's be honest here, fences are not renowned for being very soft on the old posterior...
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"Since when does defending democracy and the rule of law make someone a terrorist ?" I dunno, you seem to be the one making a very strange leap of logic - between people disagreeing with you, and them being "traitors" to the country. It's not my job to explain your weird psyche here - that's on you. @genericusername3212
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You're suggesting that if Remain had won, I'd be campaigning to keep Leave voters from talking about Brexit any more, or having a say in the future direction of the country. And I thought I was a literal-minded pedant... @sjruksjruksjruk
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john hansberry I don't happen to think that that referendum was a terribly good idea either. It's the job of elected representatives to decide policy - not to bequeath it back to their constituents. If they believe something is the right thing to do, they should go ahead and get on with it. This is one of those rare things called a "nuanced opinion" - I'm sure you've heard of 'em though. :)
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@VoVo-ev3zz I don't think anybody believes it's a "good idea". It's the last saving desperate throw of people who don't want to see their country tumble off a cliff-edge - as seemingly the only thing powerful enough to undo the spell of this godawful Referendum is another one...
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@benbow7 Not especially. You can punish them at the ballot box for breaking the promise, if it matters to you - but they were under no legal obligation to follow through on their promises. In much the same way that Nigel Farage was under no legal obligation to explain how he thought Brexit would work, and Jacob Rees Mogg has handwaved responsibility for post-Brexit planning.
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john hansberry ... I really think you're shooting in the dark at this stage. I'm not an SNP supporter, and I don't particularly care for the cause of Scottish independence - I understand why they want it, but I would rather keep the UK together. These political discussions might go better for you in the future if you aren't so desperate to score points that you resort to making things up about your opponent.
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john hansberry You tried to paint me as an SNP supporter completely out of thin air with no basis at all. I COULD expand on why I think Referendums are anti-democratic, and I COULD talk about their chequered history and association with authoritarian regimes around the world - but seeing that you're more interested in scoring cheap political points than having an enlightened discussion, I will just leave with this mild insult: you're not worth my time.
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@benbow7 As a remainer, so will I. I abhor the politicians who made promises that they knew they couldn't keep, and I will be denying the Conservatives (and most likely Labour) my vote henceforth.
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john hansberry In what way am I lacking in comprehension? It seems like you are the one throwing out ideas without much regard to what one would call a meaningful or coherent argument. Muting this conversation, as I don't foresee any intelligent (or intelligible) response.
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No, you get off your high horse. @sjruksjruksjruk You don't know me, and you seem to assume the worst about me. Believe it or not, there are good people out there - and people like me are your countrymen too, so you'd damned well better learn to like us.
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