Comments by "Cinderball" (@cinderball1135) on "Stop the Irrelevant, Self-Destructive Fights" video.

PatchesRips I wouldn't necessarily couch it in terms as strong as that... but it wouldn't be very difficult to argue that having Corbyn as Labour leader set up the board for Johnson's rise to power. With a less unpopular leader to oppose him, Johnson has really struggled to peddle the same rubbish he was selling in 2019. And Catman, like it or not, I'm afraid what Patches says broadly reflects the view of the British public at large, rightly or wrongly. Corbyn was poison on the doorstep.
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@skyblazeeterno Member of Labour here: it very much IS existent. It's not for me to go airing dirty laundry in public, but Corbyn's supporters didn't go anywhere when he lost his position - and many of them are venting their anger at Starmer supporters as they work through the various stages of grief at losing both an election, and their beloved leader. The atmosphere in local Labour branches has been absolutely vile since the leadership election, and has got worse with Corbyn and his inner circle's various gaffes and even outright attacks on the current leadership.
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@Louis Stuhler It depends a lot on where you are, and it depends a lot on which particular group you're talking to. I can only speak for the two groups I'm part of - my local Constituency Labour Party, and then the local Young Labour Group. The CLP is lovely - there's one or two harmless cranks who attend our meetings, but they're interesting to listen to nonetheless. (Ex trade-unionists, basically). The Young Labour group has been absolutely riven with toxic behaviour. I was on the cusp of making a formal complaint about the bullying against one of our members, because it had reached such a point. Importantly, the people bullying my friend were all Corbyn diehards, while my friend was openly a Corbyn detractor. On the night of the 2019 election, he apparently mortally offended them, by commenting that he'd seen this coming a mile away. The good news for us is that things are getting better. I was able to break through to a couple of the other senior members of the group, who realised that their behaviour was straight out of line - and we're beginning the slow, painful process of mediation. Things will get better, and the bullying is going to stop. When it comes to dealing with Corbynites, the reason that they're so difficult is also something that you can actually exploit to break through to them: they're extremely highly principled people, who hate to compromise. If you can show them that their behaviour violates their own aspirations, they'll listen. The important thing is not to approach it as a "Starmer supporter", a "Moderate", or anybody else they can paint as a "Blairite". If they think that's your angle, they'll close their ranks against you. But, like I say, rapprochement is possible. It's going to be a long process - only made the more painful by Corbyn's recent antics re. the antisemitism case. But things are slowly getting better.
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@SuperCatman Done by what measure?
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@SuperCatman Give it time. The government has actually lost quite a lot of ground in the polls during the crisis. To arbitrarily state that Labour should be outperforming them less than 4 full months into the tenure of a new leader is, I think, to set the bar unreasonably high. I think right now, the fact Keir Starmer has gone from being relatively unknown to outpolling the serving PM, all in one go, is excellent progress. The party as a whole may still be behind, but it has narrowed the gap handsomely, and has years left on the clock before the next General Election. Patience is a worthy virtue, I think. A week may be a long time in politics, but four years is an eternity.
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@SuperCatman Again, I think this is to set the bar unreasonably high. Labour doesn't need to win outright to form a government - in the event of a strong performance leading to a hung parliament, it would not be unreasonable to imagine Labour would have the stronger position in forming a Coalition government - the Conservatives having completely alienated their allies. The only reason people expect a government to have an outright majority is based on a very lopsided history of UK General Elections. Without First Past the Post, we'd have seen a lot more leftwing coalition governments up to now - and I strongly suspect that is the future direction of our politics.
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@SuperCatman Sorry what? You're asking them to win a plurality of votes? Even the Conservatives don't do that, and they regularly get massive seat majorities. Please take the time to read up about how First Past the Post skews the results - I think it might be eye-opening. :)
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@SuperCatman Plurality has multiple valid definitions in this case - one of them is the idea of winning a majority of all votes cast. Even so, I think all the bars you've set are way too high to be reasonable. Personally, I'll settle for a government with a Labour Prime Minister, and yes, ideally, sooner rather than later.
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