Comments by "Дмитрий Трудов" (@user-xg6yq8rh6n) on "Советская оборонительная тактика - Курск 1943" video.
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@bakters
=="three-quarters of the Wehrmacht destroyed the USSR ....
how much is it "overpriced"?"
There was the war of the Atlantic, the war on the Pacific and the air war over Germany, which weakened the Luftwaffe significantly.
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undoubtedly ... for this and say "three-quarters of the Wehrmacht"
... and there was China, if we talk about Japan and the Pacific Ocean.
==Sure, the Western allies landed in Normandy quite late, but it does not mean they did nothing. What if Italy could join Wehrmacht in full force, because nobody would contest them in Africa? Could you guys survive at Rzhev or Leningrad? Maybe yes, maybe not.
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Italians, along with the Romanians, helped us a lot under Stalingrad in December of '42))
their fighting qualities are very weak ...
more interested in the French ... who only captured more than 40,000 ... and were among the last defenders of Berlin.
==Just imagine what could have happened if Japan was not challenged by the USA. Soviet Union would most probably be in a war on two fronts. ==
hardly ... Japan remembered the Khalkhin goal.
The plan "Kantokuen" turned in August forty-first.
Stalingrad finally forced to abandon the "Siberian campaign"
==It was a joint effort, where USSR did most of the fighting, but not all of it.==
Not all. Yes.
and yet, it is worth remembering that without infantry, no aircraft or fleet will bring victory.
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@bakters
==Italians, along with the Romanians, helped us a lot under Stalingrad in December of '42))"
Germans were short on men. Women did not work in German factories, so every big campaign required removing part of the important workforce and sending those guys East. That weakened German economy and allowed for the USSR to significantly outproduce them.==
About 6 million women did not work ...
for that, millions of volunteers from the occupied european countries worked ...
millions hijacked for forced labor from the ussr
millions of Soviet prisoners of war
==Italians and Romanians were badly equipped, so their fighting qualities were limited. But it could be changed. And even if not, they were still useful fighting force, suitable for many tasks.
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distributing valuable weapons to low-skilled troops is inefficient.
and the task of effective breakthrough of the northern part of the encirclement of the Stalingrad Wehrmacht group, the Romanians and Italians accomplished remarkably)
and not only there
=="Japan remembered the Khalkhin goal.
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Sure they did, and that's why they would attack if USA did not oppose them. Not because they wanted those lands so badly, but because they were afraid of USSR. ==
in August, 41, neither of which the United States did not interfere with them ... but, however, they canceled the plan of attack on the USSR.
==And if they won in the East, it would be really hard to kick them back out, simply because of logistics.==
that's also true ... but in August '45, logistics didn’t stop defeating the Japanese in just over three weeks.
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@bakters
==Low skill workforce most of them, partially because Germans simply didn't trust them (rightfully so). My uncle was taken too, and he worked on a farm, not in a factory.
Female workforce of USSR or USA could be trusted to work in the industry, so young men were free to be drafted into the army. Germany couldn't do it. Their industry was severely hampered by every big military campaign due to shortage of men.==
again:
by the international community of foreigners, there were millions. volunteers (in detail about how to write, I will not).
... the qualifications of these millions are different. even if, on average, slightly lower than 6 million non-performing German women, it’s still not the case that women can replace a man in the workplace everywhere.
while only Todt, on the construction, worked more than a million prisoners of war ...
=="distributing valuable weapons to low-skilled troops is inefficient.
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You guys "distributed valuable weapons" to two of my uncles (who worked as slaves in USSR), when you created Polish army. They had no more skills than Italians, I'm sure of it. How come you guys decided it was worth it?
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Consider your "badly equipped" and my "valuable weapons" synonyms.
Well, the Anders army was "badly equipped" and what does this prove in the combat value of the Allied forces? .. that the allies of the Reich, that the allies of the USSR?
and more, the example of your uncles only shows once again that I am right ... but the leadership of the USSR is not))
and more ... my condolences to you about your uncles ... being a slave in the USSR is ... yes ... how much better to be a pan in Poland ... raking up this and that from neighbors.
and by the way, what kind of "slaves"? Stalin is all shot?
I would know Kaczynski, you see you would have survived)))
==Actually it kinda wasn't, because they all defected to the British, but then the British did exactly what you have done and "distributed valuable weapons" to them once again. ;-)==
and another proof of my rightness ... how many Anders army was there in Persia? two years? and how much did you win? ;)
very conditional combat value.
=="but in August '45, logistics didn’t stop defeating the Japanese in just over three weeks."
You guys could use your Transiberian Railway to ferry the troops into more civilized areas, which you still kept. If Japan attacked, there would be no place to unload them and create the whole offensive.
With that said, the invasion of Manchuria was a masterpiece. Highly underrated!==
the question is: "when attacked?"
in August? )
after the defeat of the Germans near Moscow? ))
in the middle of the year 42, they again asked the question, this is so. but waited again ... and waited for Stalingrad.
when? )))
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@dimitrizibold3691 ==Назначать по умениям, а не по преданности партии. Ну и учения и симуляции регулярно проводить.
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вы про 41 или сейчас?... сейчас диаметрально различные ситуации. сейчас яо есть, а по этому все конфликты, дабы не самоубиться, носят очень локальный характер.
а в тридцатых, во времена конфликтов для массовых армий.... вы хотя бы знаете, что за проблемы были тогда у страны?.. например, на что пускать деньги?... на развитие промышленности, армию, социалку, образование, науку?...
а если не догнать европу по уровню развития промки, то прочим можно не заморачиваться... а если не строить систему всеобщего образования, то кого призывать, что б в технической войне можно было победить?.. а кто руководить будет?.. полуграмотные?
вы ведь не знаете, что до 36 года, ркка комплектовалась по территориально-милиционному типу? вы даже не знаете что это... а это самый дешевый и низкообученный тип комплектования армии. и только к 39 смогли отказаться и перейти полностью на призывной... но ровно в те три года, штат ркка увеличился в трое. а где столько обученных, как вы говорите, "по умениям", комсостав подобрать?
...и тд и тп.
отсутствие необходимости лояльности руководству, это так свежО )))
==Но самое умное - не воевать, в современных войнах проигрывают все участники, и выигрывают не воевавшие.==
вы совершенно не понимаете от чего случаются войны в этом и прошлом веке.
это экономика...
и, да, скажите свою сентенцию американцам, поднявшимся на двух мировых войнах....
вот и выходит, что войны надо разжигать. только подальше от своих границ... чем сша со своими болонками, многие годы и занимаются.
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@bakters
== "Well, the Anders army was "badly equipped" and what does this prove in the combat value"
They were not badly equipped. Soviets equipped them with Lend-Lease weapons, which fitted well with British supply chain, so they proved themselves exceedingly well in combat.
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funny ... the first "battle" they had two years later, after leaving the USSR.
and as of the beginning of 42, neither machine guns, nor small arms were supplied under Lend-Lease ... in the USSR that was enough. except that 50 units of artillery.
and the uniform, yes, in advance by agreement with the London government, the uniform was also London.
=="being a slave in the USSR is ... yes ... how much better to be a pan in Poland ... "
Both of them were peasants and they ended up chopping trees while being starved to death in Siberia. ==
strange ... fasting above, they managed to survive and train in the Anders army
==The "pans" were shot to death.==
and now they, who died of starvation, were also shot
"what kind of "slaves"? "
Forced labor with starvation level food rations. People went blind because of malnutrition, so they held hands in the column, while those who could still see were leading them to the place they were supposed to go. Fun times...
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yes, the times are funny ... starved to death, shot and sent Anders into the army.
=="I would know Kaczynski, you see you would have survived"
I recently voted for people who heavily criticize Kaczyński for his anti-Russian bias. The guy is mad, because his twin brother ended up dead on Russian soil. Give him some slack, if you will.
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so I’m talking about his brother, who died ... would have known that the liquid Bolsheviks would not shoot the Poles, would have been alive ... because he was in a hurry to Katyn.
==Though, I will not! I will vote against him again and again. We have no business annoying Russians for no good reason.
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why? popcorn we still have)
=="very conditional combat value."
Not true. Anders' army was kept in reserve just like all the other Western forces were, ==
yes, yes ... while the councils were at war, by the way, there was no need to fight.
for this all was started.
==then they were sent into heavy combat, against German paratroopers in heavily reinforced position. And they won! At a heavy cost of blood (including one of my uncles), but they won where many others have failed before. Read on Monte Casino.
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Yes, it is well known in Russia, as the Anders army liberated Poland in Italy.
==Then they participated in the whole Italian campaign and acquitted themselves very well. Everybody loved them, until the day of victory parade, when the British suddenly didn't need them anymore, and did not invite them to participate. Soviets recognized Polish blood contribution toward victory, just for comparison.
Sad story.==
yes, with Poland in general, the story is sad ... with Kiev, Vilnius, Teschin ... flirting with Adolf ... very sad ...
but also instructive
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