Comments by "Xyz Same" (@xyzsame4081) on "The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder"
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Fox and Republican politicians (for poltical gains) and voters that would not vote for a Democrat EVER will foam from the mouth. No. Matter. What. - They also foamed from the mouth under Bill Clinton or under Obama, never mind the attempts to appease them. The more TIME the Democrats give them the more they can drag out the propaganda battle and poison public opinion.
If the Dems would slap them with one bill after the next (CoVid, vaccination, immigration reform, healthcare, infrastructure bill, ...) they would have a hard time to be sufficiently enraged about all of it.
The base has only so much time to watch the news. If Dems would be smart they give them plenty to complain about (they are going to whine and lie anyway) to BURY them with a lot in short time.
Trump used a variety of that strategy btw, whenever he needed cover he offered some bait in form of a wild tweet. Then
When the dust has settled voters would see that Democrats do something, and that their life is better for it. It would also improve chances that the economy recovers. Then they could kill in in the midterms 2022.
FDR killed it with economic populism. Actually that New Deal phase lasted from 1933 - 1968 (even till 1980) and the Democrats dominated during that time. Sure, Eisenhower had 8 years as president, but he was on board with the New Deal, maybe the only R president ever to defend Social Security. He told his own party that it was unpatriotic to be against SS.
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There are many actors in the U.S. that have been making hay with division - for decades. Much more so than in other rich nations. Media (TV, not to forget radio, that is important). Especially the ring wing outlets (also the large liberal networks, although they do it in a different and more sophisticated manner than Fox "News" or rabid radio hosts).
Politicians try to win elections by riling up voters. Actually that is a quite effective strategy as long as feckless neoliberal Democrats feel the pain of voters but do nothing for them (they are financed by the same donors as Republicans).
Money in policitcs allows for a lot of TV advertising.Denigrating ads, fierce attack ads are allowed.
Other first world countries (even those were the Murdoch empire does some harm).
Campaign donations are limited, TV and radio spending is very limited and there are ethic rules for the few political ads on TV and radio that they do have, and only during campaign season.
Fairness rules for media during campaigsn, if they cover politics in a format, all parties must be mentioned or allowed in debates, even small ones.
They often have coalition governments, so the politician cannot be too vicious, they never know if they need the other party to get a majority. Some combinations are not likely - but the large parties could move to the right or the left with a smaller coalition partner so they will be more moderate and not go to extremes to slam politicians.
In the U.S. there were ads that fear mongered about death panels. ACA is not a good reform, but that was ridiculous, these were deceptive lies.
In other countries no network would send such ads, the citizens would not like it, and FOX would not get a broadcasting licence if they acted like they do in the U.S.
Sky News (also from the Murdoch empire) in Australia is pretty rabid, too - but it is the worst in the U.S.
That has created division and riled up a part of the U.S. population for decades.Riled up people come back, they bring money (ratings) or they donate (churches, political campaigns), or they vote only based on abortions, guns and a general and inspecific disgust for "liberals". That is convenient because that does not cost the donors of Republicans any profits, the politicians that get elected that way do not have to deliver for the voters (which invariably goes against the interests of the big donors).
Trump fundraised 600 millions on "stolen election" narrative after election day. Likely the fundraising from small donors was better AFTER the lost election.
Very important: Churches. check out the channel of The Victory Channel and the video of Jan 7th where they comment on the storm of the Capitol. How Trump will win anyway. Unreal. More than 1 hour political propaganda. I wonder if the pastors belong to churches (run them more like) that have tax excemptions, they should lose that.
In other nations they have very few large denominations. Think Catholics and Protestant Church (one church, not split up in many sub groups). They have central financing / budgets. It is not like in the U.S. where many smaller groups outcrazy each other to keep the (already underinformed, gullible biased, conservative) congregation engaged.
If they start to engage the faithful by riling them up about abortion, gay marriage and other issues - that is easier than to model a good Christian life and to inspire them with the gospel. Negativity also can keep people engaged but they have to increase the dose of poison over time.
Now it is "Biden is a Socialist" is evil incarnate, and he serves the agenda of the devil. I am not exaggerating. Not that I like Biden, he is a 1980s style Republican. The economics, the war lust. Not better or worse than Bush or their Saint Reagan.
They have gone so far that they have to be more and more extreme. If they don't do it - another group / church / pastor will stoop lower and capture their supporters (and the money they donate).
Division as Republican electoral strategy has been going on since at least the 1990s (well, Nixon invented the Southern strategy, there was the KKK, etc - division is part of American society.
The U.S. is also more gentrified than other nations. and the contrast between rural overly conservative areas and the cities is much larger. Rural areas are also more conservative in other nations, that is normal, but they don't have that many Evangelicals. It is not nearly as extreme.
Other nations do not have that level of division, that is why abortion, guns etc. are not hyped up as wedge issues by cynical politicians or grifting pastors or radio hosts that rile up the audience.
Until the clinic they chose to target is assaulted and a doctor is killed. Ooops ! then the radio host will tell that he does not feel responsible for triggering the shooting. Well maybe he really did not want anyone killed. Finding an issue to rant about and to keep the audience engaged is just part of the business strategy. The killed doctor counts as collateral damage in the cynical game.
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UK - how to do elections: In the snap election in 2017, the campaign lasted 2 months. parties can take declared big donations, but they are limited in what they are allowed to SPEND (incl. TV ads !!). Fairness rules on TV and radio.
2 million voters (population 65 millions !) registered (first voters, change of address) within 2 weeks. 600,000 on the last possible day. Registration was EASY, most did it online, the government had a catchy TV ad to promote it.
(Age group 18 - 25 turnout in the last GE 2015 was 43 % - in 2017 it was 72 %)
Eveything else is good oldfashioned "tech". Enough polling stations, election is on a workday but many stations are open until 10 p.m., paper ballots, the boxes brought to ONE hall in the constituency, someone in charge signs them off (so of course they keep track of them).
They are hand-counted before the eyes of the public. At 10 p.m. after the last polling stations haveclosed, they announce the first exit polls on TV, in 2017 with 30,000 participants. As is usual it was fairly accurate.
The poll workers sit on long tables in pairs with a stash of ballots. Supervisors everywhere. Young people sprinting around with boxes, and papers. They have a friendly and traditional competition (usually between 2 cities, forgot the names) - about which one will be first in the country to report a final result. They have a "winner takes the whole district" system for 650 seats in parliament. So it it not hard to keep track.
But the handcounted numbers a announced to the locals (and a few important constituencies are usually shown in TV - so if it was a proportional representation ("popular vote") system - the citizens could do the math if they liked to do it. Manually, with a calculator, in their head if they are savants, or tipping the numbers into an excel list. (the country has 65 million people - so that could be scaled up to a country with 325 million like the U.S. )
When the count (and maybe recount) is finished for a constituency the result for each candidate running in it is read to the public and press. Mandatory recount in case the results are not far apart (in last election some districts went by less than 20 - 100 single votes, these were sure recounts).
That is how to organize an election. It is not that the parties would not try to corrupt it - they can't.
Not even in the first steps. It is better than have voting machines with a paper trail (that evidence can be destroyed - see Tim Canova. Or complicated rules can make the recount legally impossible or expensive). In the U.K. they would need to corrupt the poll workers and manipulate during election night - all of them plus the supervisors - and then they have flipped only ONE district. It is impossible to pull that off.
If they tried closing down polling stations - it would be a row. The governing Tories took a cue form the U.S. Republicans, they "tested" mandatory ID (with a few polling stations only and that was advertised so that people would know).
The result: it prevented young people and poor people from voting - as was to be expected. Like in the U.S. there are no signs of abuse by the voters. The tory majority is threatened with with good voter turnout of young people - so they would be tempted to introduced that. Well, expect another row. I do not think they will dare.
The First Past The Post system and the way the districts are drawn favours them anyway 42 % (40 % for Labour) of the popular vote - but that gives them much more seats (districts). The good results in the large cities do not help Labour 50,05 % is as good as 80 % in a district.
UK citizens navigate through life with the social security card (also to open a bank account), so if citizens do not travel and have no car, there is no need to have an ID or passport. As long as they are still in the EU - there are no border controls WITHIN the Schengen zone.
Technically you are still required to have a passport with you - but when young people drive through the tunnel to France, Belgium, Netherlands for a quick visit - there is a good chance, they will get away with it (a drivers licence will be better, or at least the SS card). The police of the foreign country may send them back and likely give them a fine when found w/o proper identification in a foreign EU country.
A jogger (a visitor from France staying with family in Canada) erred on a non marked dirt trail and unintentionally crossed the Canadian/U.S. border. She was detained for 2 or 3 weeks, even though her mother brought her passport within short time. That is not going to happen within the EU in the Schengen zone.
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@Junebug89 43,200 votes in total in 3 states made the difference. Trump's loss (not Biden's win) was way too close for comfort. A few thousand votes being cast differently, or any legal challenges (mail arrival etc) and Trump would have a second term - Biden was a huge gamble, and w/o pandemic he would have lost for sure. His lead over Trump: AZ / GA / WI 10,500 / 12,000 / 20,700 votes - In PA Biden at least won with 1.2 % = 81,000 votes more. The 20,700 votes more in WI equal a margin of only 0.63 %.
Why were PA and WI even that close ? In a pandemic year, economic down, Trump being a certified idiot on stereoides.
Trump increased his result in Florida from 1.2 % in 2016 to over 3 %. In Ohio he won twice, and each time with over 8 %. - Obama won those 2 states twice (and no, that does not reflect well on him, he paved the way to poison the states for Democrats. After 2012 he rewarded Ohio with pushing for TPP. That was it, they have had it with neoliberal Democrats.)
I think Sanders would have had more chances to win Ohio, and even Florida would have been in play. and not limping over the finish line in PA and WI either.
We waited for the count of these 4 states, (MI and NV were at least over 2 % which means the lead manifested earlier and the statisticians could project the states earlier to go for Biden).
Biden absolutely needed to win 2 of the 4 nail biter states (PA, WI, AZ and GA) in any combination - or Trump would have won. Biden got the "best" result in PA, and it is the state with the most electors = 20 - but that state alone would have put him only at 269 electoral votes = a tie with Trump.
Biden had to win at least ! another one of the 3 states where it came down to 20,700, 12,000 or 10,500 votes. More than half of them voting the other way and they are lost.
PA was not obligatory, even the 2 smallest would have gotten Biden to at least 270 electoral votes (AZ + WI 10 + 11).
The bare minimum - and maybe some fun with faithless electors.
In the case of a 269 tie the House picks the president BUT not every Representative has a vote. The Reps. per state determine ONE delegate. That rule would have favored Republicans, they would have picked the president.
The VP is picked by the Senate where the Republicans had the majority, anyway.
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The "War On Christmas" is so Obama era - so now they have to make up the "War On Thanksgiving". asserting indirectly that left leaning people do not like family gatherings. Now apart from the Imperialistic past of the U.S. - giving thanks / festivities at the end of the harvest season is usual for ALL agricultural societies if they have pronounced growing / harvest seasons.
it is a human attempt to "bribe" or placate the gods, ancestor, spirits, deities. not celebrating or giving thanks would be tempting fate.
Christmas is a pagan festivity. In the countries with a cold and longer winter they celebrated the shortest days (or around that time). That is more pronounced in the North and the Alpine areas, where the growing season is shorter (so if something goes wrong with your first crop you cannot recover by starting over with a crop that needs shorter time and help you survive.
In some parts of Europe there is also folclore with demon masks, and noisy bells and other noise making. They do processions to "drive out the winter", to scare it away once winter is past its prime (after the shortest day and the Chistmas holidays, usually in early January).
In Austria (and I think the South of Germany = Bavaria) they are called Perchten (the beautiful and the ugly perchten - the latter have demon / devil like wooden carved masks and other head gear like horns, they wear cloaks / garments, made from sheepskin, with the long fur etc.)
In that outfit young males are allowed to do some pranks and they do processions. Or in some areas the groups go from house to house and it is the custom to give them something to eat or to drink (alcohol, too). The same tradition shows up on All Hallows Eve (Halloween) on Oct. 31st in the tradition of trick and treating, and it has morphed into an event for the children and they way they dress up is much more flexible.
Oct. 31st being a special and eerie (otherworldly) day is also important in the folclore and mythology in Europe, (you were not supposed to have laundry on line or an unfinished spinning project for the females.)
In Europe Halloween is not celebrated (now a little influence from the U.S. and promoted by marketing, because businesses try to sell on that, but it has not gotten hold). In Europe Nov. 1st is often (still) a "holy day" and that often also means that retail is closed and most people stay home from work or school / university.
It is an official Catholic Holy Day so that is why it is widespread, a day to remember the dead and to go to the graves of loved ones, often also with family gatherings but they are less festive and pronounced compared to New Year, Easter or Christmas, and there are no specific decorations. but if people drive to where they were raised and have a day off anyway, they naturally will arrange for meetings.
Or in the case of "Krampus" in the advent season (the four weeks before Christmas). Krampus (outfit more less like a perchten) has become the side kick to Nikolaus in the last 100 to 150 years. His day is Dec. 5th and on Dec. 6th he accompagnies Nikolaus who gives out sweets and little gifts to children. Nikolaus is a Santa Claus like appearance (more like the American Santa was modelled after the European example, and Coca Cola advertising enshrined the optics, the red cloak, white beard, the reindeer sledge).
As for being glad if one harvest season went well:
In some countries you can start over, but in many if you do not have rain or the right conditions in "spring" you are screwed, because the growing season is too short, or you only have enough rain in spring. Or if the draught or the storms or floods come later to destroy your harvest. No wonder people celebrated and gve thanks to the spiritual world it one year went well.
One bad harvest could mean devastation and famine, no wonder people celebrated if one such cycle went well or O.K. Survival guaranteed for the next 12 months, and the money or stores had to be enough until they secured the next (hopefully good) harvest.
And they finished the work to processs, dry, secure the harvest in fall, and could be also done with the first round of slaughtering animals (a lot of work, and in fall the temperature were low enough that the meat would keep, and it gave them more time to process it within a few days. In summer they could only slaughter smaller animals).
that is why the crelebrations are later in autum when people (working in agriculture) have more time. For the same reason elections in the U.S. were set up to be at the beginning of Nov. - The work of harvesting and slaughtering is done and not yet snow or snowstorms (in most regions). In the beginning only white males with some property had the vote, and they accomodated farmers with that time and also with the day (Tuesday).
Not the weekend (that was reserved for worship). and even if they had a longer travel (and used that occasion also to buy stores or to meet friends) they had time to return home before the weekend.
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@faceplants2 No, no tribalism. At. All. - I currently live in a country where voters have more than two parties (financed by the same big donors) as choice. That allows for some nuance, choice and voters are not married to one of the parties - and the politicians know it. The parties have to move on positions if political competition breathes down their neck. - The lesser evilism blackmail of Democrats does not work.
In other democracies they typically have 1 center right and 1 center left mainstrean party (they used to be solidly Social Democratic, now they are often weaklings / neoliberal shills - the Tony Blair, Justin Trudeau, Keir Starmer, Emanuel Macron types).
And then there are other smaller parties - if they get 5 - 7 % of the popular vote they get into parliament. The party with the highest result almost always gets the job to try and form a government (with a simple majority in parliament or it gets hard to get anything done - although they do it differently in Netherlands and Denmark I think they pull off coalitions or working arrangements with several parties).
And the strongest party (or partner in a coaliton government) also provides the chancellor (Germany, Austria) or the nation votes directly for the head of the government if the "president" is that (France) and not only a figurehead and constitutional check on power (Germany for instance)
But even a 5 % party can become the little hinge that swings big doors if they help a larger party to get the necessary majority with a coalition government.
Never mind they are there, can grow and offer voters an alternative. No such thing as "wasted vote" or helped the larger evil win by voting third party. (try 6 - 8 ! parties)
All of that makes for nuance, the parties influencing each other and a minimum of decorum being observed. They never know if they need them come next election. Some combinations are highly unlikely: like center left or green party with far right for instance, but overal it is better to keep it classy.
No one can make hay of denigrating campaign ads and outright lies (FOX level style or ACA means death panels) - they would not be aired. Ethics guidelines and the population would not appreciate it, as they are not used to it. So they have to try with running on issues.
Even a few % of the popular ! vote (if they make it over the threshold that is typically around 5 - 7 %) means public funding, fairness rules during debates, the small or new players are NOT excluded, the voters deserve to hear from them. Also fairness rules for media during elections season and they do not allow big biz to contribute directly or indirectly to campaign spending.
Plus the spending on mass media is very restricted.
all of that gives a small outsider party with an engaged base and smaller budgets a better chance to COMPETE.
If the voters have had it with the established parties they are not stuck with "lesser evilism" - the cynical game that makes sure BOTH relevant U.S. parties that are openly financed by the same big donors can do their God cop / bad cop routine.
or the Dems testing how little they can promise to the voters and they can still win the election.
No, in all other nations one or several minority party can grow fast if the big parties are getting too comfortable. The 2 - 3 mainstream parties are never secure from competition.
Also: high voter turnout makes sure the interests of low income or young voters are not completely neglected.
(there is not the well established practice of voter suppression like in the U.S. based on long standing contempt for the poor and people of color).
Voting is easy, automatic voter registration, on a Sunday. And claims of voter fraud would be laughed out of the builing. How do you do it if each polling station with representatives of all parties does a hand count of the paper ballots and then reports for then numbers to be aggregated. After all have signed off on the count.
An election with controversial candidates like 2016 or 2020 would see 80 - 85 % turnout. With 6 - 8 parties getting into parliament.
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