Comments by "Xyz Same" (@xyzsame4081) on "Forbes Breaking News"
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How much burden do you want to put on small biz (the mandate has also to be controlled by the company and the authorities, think 50 people that may get 2 shots not all at the same time, someone has to handle the excel spreadsheet so they can document that they complied or register those that already have been vaccinated. It is some work. It is not only the government, if they want insurance coverage they also will have to vaccinate. (o.k. so in the end the 30 or 60 person company will still have to do the paperwork).
It is the pragmatic 20 : 80 rule: 20 % input for 80 % outcomes. If the Biden admin concentrates on the medium sized and larger companies they reach most of the workforce. The goal is not to reach 100 % of the workforce that is unrealistic, but to nudge lots of people to get vaccinated.
Anti vaxxers are a burden on society : they are potential spreaders and the current wave is fuelled by the unvaccinated, which are still much better spreaders than the vaccinated. They fill up hospital ICUs to capacity (people have already died that would have needed intensive care after an emergency and the nearest hospitals were full with mostly UNVACCINATED that needed intensive care) - so the anti vaxxers will have to live with the inconvenience of weekly testing. Or getting the shots or getting a new job.
The employers will be mandated to provide those test and also to give time off for the testing. So I guess many companies will get sick of it, and require vaccination to be done with it.
And they can demand that. (so much for tyranny, if the employer asks for it it is legal).
As for religious and fREdum objections - well they can test, or get another job.
For herd immunity the big picture counts - and realistic SIMPLE provisions how to monitor that and administrate that.
Companies over 100 people have to give time off for weekly testing OR their employees must get vaccinated. The weekly testing is a concession - they will miss some infections that way. Again an attempt to find the balance between input and outcomes.
Sure one could make a 1000 page rule for when and how and where people are close or not so close
The reason for Biden to do that is to stop people from landing in the ICU and from continuing to be good potential spreaders. That applies always not only when they are working. So they have little contact with collegues and customers, the desks are spaced apart ? Shall we also factor in the configurations of A/C for every single company ?
Delta was a game changer because it is so much more contagious so airborne transmission (also via A/C) is even more ! of an issue. People do not need to be close, they can also get infected if the use the elevator or depending on the position of their desk or cubicle or workspace to the A/C. Or heating.
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K Ker There are 11 million people that have no ID that is acceptable ! in their state. It is not only against people of color, it goes against low income folks, and the disabled. Low income conincides often with being a minority.
(a former driver's licence that has expired is not valid). In Europe they have AUTOMATIC voter registration, voting takes 10 minutes, and although in large cities ID is usual (or there must be a few persons that know you) - the correct ID can be a passport that has expired 10 years ago or a 70 year old person comes with the driver's licence they got at age 20.
The person is given the (very plausible) benefit of the doubt. They have a legal document, where would they get that from. And they still need to figure out to which polling station to go. IF someone wanted to IMPERSONATE a legit voter - it would be someone that is close. That must be extremely rare, if it happens at all. No need to go crazy with the demands.
Who are the 11 millions:
That means disabled (do not drive anymore), low income (no car), young and student (not yet a car), and the elderly are more likley to not have an ID. They do not need it in their daily life. A person that is obviously older than 21 does not need ID to buy beer and / or an expired one would likely be accepted - if you pick up a parcel for someone.
Obviously the 11 millions do not need the ID their state choses to demand (not saying they have none, but the rules are so pesky that they do not qualify. For instance student ID's. Colleges check the birth certificate. and now they also have photos on it. So Repubs got creative and demanded an expiry date that is well into the future (several years). Knowing full well that no college issues such ID's (after all that they are enrolled this year does not mean they are enrolled in 2 or 3 years).
But that is an elegant way to create a hassle for young people. Many of them do not drive a car and do not travel internationally. Which is the ONLY reason why a currently valid student ID is NOT acceptable in some states.
Maybe YOUR state does not make you jump through hoops. Lucky you. They certainly do in some red states, especially in the South.
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@jaeess7537 There are NOT THOUSANDS of infractions with ballots / or mail ballots. Plus the election has been certified. There are VERY few individual cases (less than 10 most likely in an election with 160 million votes cast) - and the many thousand legit votes that the state and federal Republicans would have eagerly thrown out, IF they would have gotten their way.
Not on the local level (seems at the level of election boards Republicans are better than that), but on the higher level.
the "many" vcast votes that the Republicans still seem to object to (despite the election being certified) are because of use of drop boxes and such formalities.
One R of Missouri felt the need to object to the certification because of that irregularity. The state had handed over the handling of the election to a board. (that is usual and it makes sense.
Election board and later a judge were O.K. with using drop boxes safely installed in front of fire stations. Only the state Republicans (andtose of other states) objected to it, to the degree taht they refused to certify the election. STILL after the storm on the Capitol.
After a law suit in WI before the election , wher the juge decided. Go ahead, Madison can use 14 drop boxes.
The attempt to derail the post office by taking their sorting machine away in summer was partially counteracted.
Some states sent out the ballots late, postal services were overwhelmed, so voters liked to go to the drop boxes and could be sure their ballot would arrive in time.
needless to say Republicans objected to it. Strongly. It is common sense and makes the participation (and timely transport) of the ballots easier. Of course Republicans are against that.
) , or that they were accepted one or 2 days after election day if they had the post stamp, etc. That is NOT the voters cheating, it is Republican trying to throw out their vote under a pretext - ANY pretext.
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Social workers also would not intimidate a 5 year old boy that was able to leave school and wander off. Or arrest a mother and her 2 children (teenager, one boy was ? 8), they lay face down on the tarmac for an extended period of time (I think it was 1 hour). During day, parking lot.
Completely inept, out of control, hostile, moronic police thought the car was stolen. the woman (unarmed, not outstandingwarrant, no traffic violation, they just wanted to get into the car to leave, no probable cause) said she had papers IN the car and that she could prove ownership (a normal vehicle, nothing fancy).
Nope - they were not interested. Several cops pulled that off while the citizens filmed them. From the footage at least two of them were uneasy, they might have the sense it could backfire if they did not have the decency to handle that differently. Maybe it was a mistake but if the woman says she can prove ownership, and has no guns on her - but did they think she was going to do.
With papers they could have checked that out, and settled that in a normal manner in 15 minutes.
Civilians were worried and stayed nearby, some filmed, I remember seeing THREE cops. Likely 2 pairs so 4. Other citizens stayed in the cars but had their doors open and watched the scene.
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@warpedone3711 ID only prevents voter IMPERSONATION. If you think things through you will find out why that is extremely rare (hint: hassle meets risk meets no personal gain meets ethical scruples by most people meets "it does not even make a difference".).
Most people have the decency not to do it, and if not they fear the consequences (wisely so: if they have not fallen for fairly tales how easy that is, they fear being caught, and rightly so. In rare cases some people are stupid and they get caught.
Most people are not so stupid that that they would try for no good reason at all (as one vote is risky for them and does not change the outcome. Not even thousands of voters would change the outcome unless it is a swing state).
The Tump supporter in 2016 got 2 years (she was lucky: on probation) and 750 USD, she had believed the lie "Democrats do it all the time ....".
ID did not save the day: the state thad the files in order and noticed that she had already voted (per mail). The problems was not mail vote, it was a rare super dumb person.
She admitted her intent.
A student had voted by mail with her family and then voted again in person (also for Trump). She claimed that it was a mistake, that she "forgot" ....
There are no cases of voter impersonation that I know of that that could have been prevented by an ID. They do not need to be prevented, they do not happen.
The other rare cases were busted because they enter who has already voted - ID would not have helped.
So these were Trump voters. Only some of them are so deluded that it spills over to the inability to THINK THROUGH how the elections work - or they would abandon the attempt. So they voted absentee and then thought they could show up in person and cast another vote. Does not matter if they showed an ID or not, because they have to give their name, and then it was noticed that under that name a ballot had arrived already.
Or the poll workers processed the mail ballot and wanted to cross out the name from the rolls - but somone (the very citizens had already cast a vote in person that was of course also entered).
Only Republican voters fall for the propaganda and they are not in the habit of using critical thinking. So they fall for the ruse (used to make it HARDER for legitimate voter w/o car or no (still valid !) driver's licence or a passport.
= elderly, disabled, can#t afford a car or international travel. Or so young that they do not need a car (still lives at home and commutes with the bus, or college student).
The very people Republicans do not want to vote.
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What makes you sure that the new rules (that are not yet out) will not counteract such obvious evasion measures - or that it counts ALL companies that are controlled by one person or org ? Your father already arranged for that and does not even know what the exact rules will be ? Weird !
And how about insurance coverage ?
btw your father - if the story is even true - could also offer TESTS (weekly) if they do not want to get the vaccine or he does not want to mandate it.
Never mind, the employees will also not be able to fly and the health insurers will drive up costs (50,000 on average per CoVid case in the hospital. But that is only the average, if a person really needs the full aresenal - intubation, or heart lung machines - they will usually need 3 - 4 weeks intensive care - can be up to 6 weeks until they either get better or die. And that time in the ICU is VERY expensive.
NOW with the vaccine most of the ICU and many hosptial cases could be avoided. There is ONE group that has only mediocre protection despite being fully vaccinated: People that have a weak reaction to the vaccine - and that very often corresonds with what makes them HIGH RISK persons. Old age (think 80), immuno compromised, ...
These persons are more at risk to get a breakthrough infection and the immunity they got is not enough (or fast enough) to stop the virus from multiplicating a lot if they get infected. In their case a breakthrough infection will often have more serve symptoms and can even land them in the ICU. The ICU cases of vaccinated people are THOSE persons. They are not avoidable, the only thing that would help is the solidarity of those that CAN get a vaccine and are healthy and would have a solid immune response. Then the vulnerable that only have partial protection would benefit from herd immunity.
a 80 year old with maybe other comorbidities that is fully vaccinated has the same risk as a 50 year old with no vaccine. Still much better chances to survive an infection - but there WILL be severe cases and deaths.
And the FEW cases of the vaccinated in need of the costly ICU beds are outnumbered by the totally avoidable ICU cases of the unvaccinated.
In Florida they opened another clinic that offers monoclonal antibody therapy. If given early on they are an effective treatment, not 100 % but pretty good. also EXPENSIVE and RATIONED. There are not enough for everyone. These antibodies could be gotten for cheap if the person had a vaccination in the last 6 months (or survived an infection). The count of antibodies goes down but the vaccination (or infection) also triggers other longer lasting strategies. They are not as fast and effective, but they still should help to prevent the worst outcomes even after some time. 5 - 7 days and some oxygen (if hospital is even needed) is not so bad and the hospitals can handle that. It is intense care that overwhelms them, the staff is so highly trained and even more a bottleneck than equipment.
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@pamwood3956 GA had generous mail ballot laws (since approx. 10 - 12 years) and Repubs were always in charge, one would think they would have figured out the chain of custody after a few decades. It had to be safe for 10,000 / 100,000 mail ballot users - then it is also safe for 1 or 2 millions. The processes and safeguards do not change, only the volume.
But back in the day black voters mistrusted the process (fearing their ballot would be sorted out).
GA passed it so that their base would have it easier to vote. Elderly people, farmers, living in rural areas. Good idea, so it is fair.
But then came the voter registration efforts, and black people were encouraged to also use mail ballot, especially in the underfunded region. And with the pandemic it was reasonable to vote by mail, and lots of people used it - often for the first time.
It is more comfortable, people can research the candidates down ballot, or ballot measures, and it also cost less for government. Especially in the rural areas.
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6:43 - what has being a soldier to do with it. And the U.S. INVADING Panama is not a thing to be proud of, they went after the goon they had supported before and killed lots of brown civilians doing so. - The "highest" turnout (or "good" turnout in his state, is still lame in other democracies).
And the registration rate ! in other nations is 100 %, because they are automatically registered. Not in person, not by mail, not with ID. Every person is in a register of residency, that also covers nationality, all births, deaths, moves are entered in that FEDERAL base, Done.
people coming of age get the letter - like every other voter. where and when to vote, or to apply for absentee ballot. When they move (and have their address changed) they next election letter will find them there. If they do not announce that, they have to go to their old place and they will not get the absentee ballot to any other address.
Done.
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This is a prime example what happens when you have a country that has a very peculiar system of governing (never more than 2 parties), and where the states are almost like countries (separate taxes, and other laws regarding the death penalty for instance).
That fragmentation is also to be found in the SS data, IRS etc.
In other countries they have a central federal register of residency that is the base of civil administration.
When SS was getting computers (in the late 1960s) that was of course insufficient by todays standard.
The problem with early adopters (like getting computers) is that they usually grandfather things in and in hindsight things are kind of archaic. Now add to that that large companies (that have the same problem with patch upon patch upon patch plus provisories) at least can make a top dow massive once a time effort to streamline things.
But agencies need Congress for that. So that becomes a political football.
Can you imagine the screaming of Republicans about a central register of residency. Would - after the once in a century effort - and likely some hiccups in year 1 make a lot of things easier, faster and cheaper. But you cannot streamline when 50 states insist on doing their own thing (civil admin is red tape, this is not a hill to die on).
But the states might have to give up some of their special provisions in order to get a streamlined system (up to modern standards of databases). Do not hold your breath. It would cost a lot of money (once) and I cannot see Republicans go along with that either. Screw future savings.
One exampe that is notorious: DMV. And of course voter registration. In ANY other developed nation (but the U.K. *) they enter people at birth, naturalization, or when they have legal residency. Citizens are supposed to announce when they move and except for students (still filed with the parents) they usually do. The tenant wants it, if they own a home they will have to do it, and if they own a car they have to do it, too.
* in the U.K. they de facto use SS data for a lot of the civil admin. And voter registration is not automatic but it is really easy and can be done online. No ID, birth certificate necessary (like in all other nations).
So sooner or later young adults update their status. And when they will be of age on election day they will get automatically an invitation to vote and they will be automatically on the voter rolls.
that would do away with a lot of admin costs and make things much easier for citizens. It is also no problem if they move to another stat e and lose documentation, or the house is flooded or whatever. (or if they became homeless for a time).
It is easy to get the original as long as they remember where the parents were registered when they were born. That means also that there are no long lines, when citizens update. 10 minutes wait time would be long. Makes thing easier for folks that have no care, or little children, you can ask for a ride, do your stuff (on the long afternoon, which means they are open longer for folks that want to come after work).
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