Comments by "Wide Awake Human" (@WideAwakeHuman) on "Joe Rogan Experience #1517 - Nancy Panza" video.

There's just some things you CAN'T understand without actually being put in certain situations... Non-cops can never fully understand what cops do. Why are we talking about mental health? I mean that's a problem but it's not the problem right now. The problem is the police need more training to be comfortable fighting people, because not being comfortable fighting means you panic when it happens and panic causes mistakes, sometimes deadly mistakes. I can't think of a single nationally covered police killing that was due to police mental illness. And unless the media and Democrats stop demonizing every cop and making it ok to attack them with impunity then things will get worse and more people will die because citizens are being encouraged to start confrontations with police which still eventually end badly just statistically.
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@maxpow99 now we're talking... I'm fact we could slash police budgets by 99% and just issue rope nets and loin cloths... Lmao
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Man Joe is a smart enough guy but he just has a fundamental misunderstanding of policing In America... There may be a dozen great ideas.."all of them must know juijitsu, most spend 20% of time on training, must be trained as well as Navy Seals, must have better mental fitness"... I agree all those are awesome. But they're as realistic as saying we could fix the world by just removing COVID tomorrow. It's not going to happen. Plus you can throw all the money you want at cops but if the media and Democrats keep demonizing them then nothing will change. Cops feeling attacked for no reason puts them all on edge. Plus thanks to the media Americans have in their consciouss that there have been a dozen UNWARRANTED murders by police in the last few years when in reality almost all of those were totally reasonable (Brooks) or vague enough to make a reasonable case that it was a good or bad shoot.
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@Abitflippant there's two "mental health issues"... I think we meant different ones. Training to deal with the mentally ill and then services to help officers with their own mental health. They both need attention but training to deal with the mentally ill and being a competent fighter will LEAD to better mental health in officers because a lot of the stress of being a cop is having to put yourself into positions you're not sure if you can handle until it's over and the most competent you are at verbally defusing and physically defusing situations the less stress you feel during confrontations. There's always a baseline of stress, but the spikes on every call get significantly lowered the more able the cop is to handle his shit. About your story... Yeah I've been both the cop that defused the situation and the cop that made things worse (although it was unknowingly)... It's just a very complex job and you never know what that cop just got done dealing with or his state of mind. Obviously he could've done better, but I really wish people would understand that sometimes people are doing the best they can and you can't just say "well I'm not feeling good today, I'll stay home"..u gotta go to work and deal with what the world throws at you and sometimes you're just trying to survive the day. Again, maybe he could've talked more calmly or whatever, but I can honestly say dealing with mentally ill people as a cop was the hardest part of that job as well as the most stressful for me. The level of unpredictability is off the charts so you're constantly weighing not wanting to let ur guard down and get murdered by someone who thought the CIA was after them and the fact that you absolutely don't want to end up killing a mentally ill person unless it's the very last second before they kill you... Thin margins when you're talking about life or death.
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@Abitflippant oh I have no problem admitting I've known shit cops... Lol. Fortunately I was at a great department and the 2 people that came to mind were fired. Also... I didn't mean what the cop dealt with before like the say before or the week before. I mean you can go from nearly dying one second and then 20min later you're dealing with some person that won't do what you ask them and maybe they're mentally ill and maybe not but in that moment there's no way to mentally and emotionally recovery so to speak minute to minute. No amount of therapy the next day can help that. It's human nature. I'm not saying it's to handle calls in a shitty way because you honestly are so keyed up that the lines been threats to your safety and non-threats are blurred but I'm saying it's a reality that people don't understand and I've never heard a legit answer for. Seeing dead bodies from suicides, murders and nasty car wrecks fortunately wasn't something that affected me long term in a negative mental way, but you're a psychopath if u think you can deal with that and then get right back on the street and go deal with crazy folks and everything be fine 100% of the time. That's the reality that I don't think people know... Cops don't have these intense sometimes life threatening incidences and then always get to go home and take a few days to recover. You get your shit done and get back on the street the same day most of the time. I'm not saying therapy is useless but it's unrealistic to think there's the money or time to have every cop to "talk" with someone after every tense moment. That stuff builds up and half the time the cop themselves don't even realize it so of course they say no when asked if they need help. I'll be the first to admit policing can make improvement, but I'm so tired of hearing people with zero experience talk about all these ideas like it's so simple... Give them more money, have more counseling, pick better people, have more training...all good ideas that most people agree with, but that's the easy part. The hard part is getting is PAID for, which in this climate has zero chance of happening. But what can change and costs no money is people stop demonizing cops and blowing everything out of proportion... Like running a headline that says "cop kills unarmed black man"... As if someone being unarmed means there's never a reason to use deadly force? An example (not me). an ex military, fit guy, could fight no problem... Ended up getting bested by an "unarmed black guy" that was mentally ill and had to shoot him as he was getting knocked out by having his head slammed against the concrete. The suspect died. Fortunately this was back when people appreciated the cops and every witness said the cop did an awesome job and there was no other option... Today? He'd be in jail and on the news I have no doubt. That crap has to stop or else things are going to get worse no matter how much money you throw at cops.
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Talk about invasion of privacy...shit. every single citizen that comes into contact with law enforcement being forced to have themselves live on YouTube? Possibly the worst idea ever, Joe.
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