Comments by "Arty" (@arty5876) on "Separatists in Ukraine set 'referendums' on annexation of occupied territories | Ukraine latest" video.

No one was moved to this regions after they were captured
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@farticlesofconflatulation the people from Russia came to Crimea a long after Crimea became part of Russia. Even before the annexation 60% of the Crimean population were Russians, who supported the reunification with Russia. Crimea is completely Russian territory, that unjustically became part of Ukraine in 1954 by decision of Soviet leaders.
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@thornelderfin Crimea wasn't part of Kievan Rus - it was controlled by nomads from Asia, so called Pechenegs, later Crimean Tatars. Kievan Rus conquerred and captured only small part of Crimea in the 10th century - the city of Kherch. Kievan Rus is an ancestor of both Ukraine, Russia and Belarus. Moscow didn't existed when Kiev was a capital of Rus, but Moscow was built in the 13th century on the land of Vladimir-Suzdal principality, that was part of Kievan Rus. Also, Kiev became the capital of Rus after the unification of Rus in 882. The unification of Rus happened after the Novgorod principality (territory of modern Russia) conqueerred Kiev in 882. Later the prince of Novgorod betrayed his nobles and proclaimed himself the prince of Kiev. And later Kiev principality captured the Novgorod. Only after this Kiev became capital. Russian city of Novgorod is older than Ukrainian city of Kiev. So, Russia have the same right to be a successor of Kievan Rus, as Ukraine. And if we would count Russia as an successor of Kievan Rus, Russia have rights to all Belorussian and Ukrainian territories, according to your logic about Crimea (You said that Crimea must be Ukrainian because it was a part of Kievan Rus, but why do you think that Ukraine is successor of Kievan Rus?)
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@nothuman3083 there is no Russian citizens in the DPR, LPR, Kherson or Zaporije
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@jokerj641 St.Petersburg territory don't belongs to Sweden, because: 1) There is NO Swedish population, while Crimea in 2014 was by 60% populated by Russians 2) St.Petersburg isn't Sweden's historical land - it was conquerred by Sweden in Russo-Swedish war somewhere in 17th century, and Russia liberated its own territory in the start of 18th century, taking this area back from Sweden
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@BigDaddyCane777 no, they were living on this territories even before the Ukrainians came in the 17-20th centuries. Look at the map of Ukraine in the 17th century, when Ukraine was part of Poland, and after the rebellion against Polish rule Ukraine had no choise, but to join Russia to protect itself from Poland. Ukrainians and Russians were living together on this territories even before the USSR started its history. The southern regions of Ukraine were completely unpopulated empty lands up to the end of 19th century. But Russians came to this land before Ukrainians. The modern territory of the Southern Ukraine was captured by Russia during Russo-Turkish war, and this empty land, where no one was living, later was colonised by Russians, and only later Ukrainians came. Soviet leadership gave this territories to Ukraine
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@jokerj641 and what about Kosovo?
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@dorotazapolnik234 it was Stalin and Soviet leadership, who murdered the native Crimean tatars, not Russia
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@jokerj641 Crimea belongs to Russia. Crimea was ilegally and unjustically transefered to Ukraine from Russia in 1954, while the majority of the population in this region are Russians. You, Westerner, have no right to decide the future of other people and other nations
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@zperdek it could be if there were Turks and Greeks in Crimea as majority of the population.
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@thornelderfin the decision to transfer Crimea into Ukraine from Russia was made by Soviet leadership in Moscow, not Russian leadership. Russian leadership and Boris Yeltsin played the key role in the collapse of Soviet Union. Boris Yeltsin, the leader of Russian Soviet Republic, gave independence and freedom to Russia and all counties of Soviet sphere of influence.
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@si4632 Yeltsin was drunk after 1996. In 1989-1995 he was a great revolutionary and reformer
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@KirkFickert there wasn't a policy of "Russification" during USSR era
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@thornelderfin Russia is successor of Soviet Union, but we must understand, that when Soviet Union existed, Russia and Soviet Union were separate things. Russia was just one of the national Soviet Republics with its own national elites, who in the 80s were in opposition to Soviet central government. And this were Russian elites, who wanted to separate from USSR. Russian elites and Boris Yeltsin played key role in the collapse of USSR. Russia liberated the countries of Eastern Europe from Soviet rule. But no one in the World understood, that Russia isn't equal to USSR, and Eastern Europe paid for its liberation by expanding NATO to our borders. And at now we have no choise, but to build an empire, to cancel the Ukrainian independence
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@thornelderfin I didn't said that history gives to someone right to the territory. Crimea belongs to Russia, because in 2014 60% of the Crimean population were Russians AND this territory never was Ukrainian until 1954. In 1954 Soviet government gave Russian territory to Ukraine. In 2014 there was a coup in Ukraine, and pro-Russian president lost his power. We had no choise but to take our territory from Ukraine, because there was an anti-Russian revolution in the Ukraine.
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@thornelderfin I agree with you - people, who live on a territory for more than 2-3 generations decide what they want to do with their land. In 2014, 60% of the Crimean population were Russians. And they decided to join Russia
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@dragonade85 I'm not talking about historical lands. I said that the majority of the population in Crimea are Russians, and before 1954 this territory was Russian. So, Ukraine in 1954 got Russian territory that populated by Russians. In 2014 Russia took it back
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@michaelkrzak5414 I completely agree with you - Kenigsberg is historical German land. But there is no German population in Kaliningrad oblast of Russia. There is no German population. Crimea belongs to Russia, because 60% of the population of Crimea are Russians. But there is no Germans in the Kaliningrad. If Germans were at least 40% of the Kaliningrad population, Germany could have rights on Kaliningrad
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@sassy6498 there was no work even before Crimea joined Russia in 2014 - Ukraine is much poorer country than Russia. Ukrainian pre-war GDP per cappita was 4 000 $, while Russian pre-war GDP per cappita was 10 000$. Ukrainian economy even before 2014 was much weaker than Russian, and Russians even before the war were living better than Ukrainians. Under Russian rule the standarts of life in Crimea became better, than in Ukraine. Ukraine wouldn't join the EU. Ukraine is poor and corrupt oligarchic state. They wouldn't join
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