Comments by "kxmode" (@kxmode) on "Destiny"
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@5972-g1v The evidence is based on two things.
1. Order. It is found everywhere in the universe and on the earth. For example, our universe is "a fabric" of quilted superclusters. One such is called Laniakea.
(Isaiah 40:26) "Lift up your eyes to heaven and see. Who has created these things? The One brings out their army by number; He calls them all by name. Not one of them is missing because of his vast dynamic energy and awe-inspiring power."
(Isaiah 40:22) "There is One who dwells above the circle of the earth . . . He is stretching out the heavens like a fine gauze."
(Isaiah 42:8) "I am Jehovah. That is my name.”
(Revelation 4:11) "You are worthy, Jehovah, our God, to receive the glory, honor, and power because you created all things, and because of your will, they came into existence and were created."
2. Even the shape of these superclusters looks like feathers, which is a fractal pattern. We see the same fractal patterns in snowflakes, ferns and amazingly even mountains if you were view them from above, to name a few examples. That's math. Math is a language. Math is order. It provides evidence of a thoughtful, intelligent creator. 🙂
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@Kiros37100 Operational complexity always has intelligent design, and the more operationally complex something is, the more brilliant its designer. If you were hiking and came across a house, a car, and an iPhone, would you say they came about by chance? Of course, not. That would be silly. Now suppose all the operationally complex things in our world came about by random chance. A person would also have to believe that it's possible to throw materials into the back of a truck and dump them out as a fully-formed, ready-to-use house, car, or iPhone, or better yet, a hurricane could plow through a junkyard and assemble a fully-functional 737. And those are simple designs compared to the vast and operational complex universe and earth.
There's a double standard for humanity's perception of reality. On the one hand, humans believe complex objects in our world have an intelligent designer behind them, but something more complicated like the universe, earth, and the human body, DNA, and brain is "evolution" and "chance." One doesn't reconcile the other.
The Bible states as much in Romans 1:20. "For [God's] invisible qualities are seen from the world's creation onward because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so they are inexcusable."
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@jerrscott6373 No. He did not. The Bible says that in a very unambitious way.
(Isaiah 45:18) "For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'"
That tells us WHO created the heavens and earth. The expression "heavens and earth" generally means everything.
Regarding those specific verses you cited:
Colossians 1:15 tells us, "[Jesus] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation."
A.) An image is not the original but a copy or a reflection. For example, would you consider a picture of the Mona Lisa to be an image of the actual painting?
B.) "the firstborn of all creation" means someone had to create Jesus, which prompts the question, "who created Jesus?" Isaiah 45:18 tells us.
Colossians 1:16 continues, "because through [Jesus] all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth." And verse 16 concludes with, "All other things have been created through him and for him." Jehovah used Jesus to make the known universe. In effect, he became Jehovah's master worker. Jesus tells us this:
(Proverbs 8:22-25)
"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago.
From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth.
When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth,
When no springs were overflowing with water.
Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth,"
(verses 27-29)
"When he prepared the heavens, I was there;
When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
When he established the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,
When he established the foundations of the earth,"
And the point in verse 30:
"Then I was beside him as a master worker.
I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time."
A master-worker is NOT the same as a creator. It is like an architect and a general contractor. When people honor the craftsmanship of a building, do they praise the contractor who built it or the architect who created it? Most praise the architect.
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