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Comments by "RadicalRC" (@RadicalRC) on "Cuba's DIY Inventions from 30 Years of Isolation" video.

The poverty of socialist ideology on display.
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guachingman If they "used to make" then what happened to those fine products of Socialists? Always trying to blame the results of socialist ideology on Liberty and Freedom. Good luck with that line of non reasoning.
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fckwhat Non socialist country? Where? If I got off my high horse, I'd still be well above the gutter of ideologies of force. When you argue against Liberty you are representing slavery as superior. Slavery is a tenant of socialist/progressive/communist ideology. I reject it completely and indisputably immoral.
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Wiki says " A doctor’s salary in the late 1990s was equivalent to about US$15–20 per month in purchasing power." Yes, if I were a slave to the socialist dictators of Cuba and had a chance to escape, I would go treat Ebola also. Socialism is slavery. Socialism is evil because it only exists by the power of slavery through the initiation of force on otherwise peaceful people. Your attempt to put a shine on the enslavement of Cuba's people is despicable. Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Cuba
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7ISK7 Why is it every failure of Socialist / Communist ideology as quickly blamed on anything pro Liberty? Why can't Socialists stand without poverty, without firing squads, without slavery of the masses?
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fckwhat Cuba and the poverty of socialist ideology is what we are talking about. Not those other countries. When in your heart you wish to defend socialist ideology, I can see how difficult my assertions are to deal with. Thus why you bring up the others to redirect away from the burning truth. Socialist ideology inevitably leads to death and poverty. Cuba is a perfect example of the socialists have planned for the rest of us. Total slavery to a ruling class. I reject the notion of stealing my living from others as a high immorality. I reject socialist ideology as a slave culture. One where people are promised benefits off the back of other people. Slavery exactly.
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Absolutely. He hated Africans and you can even find some of them wearing Che shirts.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Who's condemning the people of Cuba? I certainly am not. I want them to be free. And I'm not afraid to point out the slavery of socialist ideology as immoral and poverty ridden. When will you cry fro freedom? I condemn the slave masters of socialist and communist ideology. I describe and point out the evil of those who purpose others like farm animals while they eat steak and Lobster. Che was a mass murderer. Like all socialist leaders, he was the cause of grave digging. A despicable evil man. I am for Liberty. No excuses for parasites.
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fckwhat I am simply for Liberty. Socialist ideology is one of poverty. Equality of Poverty for all is nearly always the result. I'm tired of traitors to the idea of America attempting to try one more time here. I'm here to point out the failure of systems that use force and violence. Systems which institutionalize slavery for all. For what is a person when the results of their production are taken away for the disposal of another person if not a slave? My desire is for Liberty for all, for Cuba, for North Korea, for everybody. I am opposed to non-choice. I am opposed to subjugation. I am for the acknowledgement of Liberty as the highest moral status for man above every other alternative. All alternatives to choice require force, violence and guns of the state. I am for Liberty.
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***** Name for me one capitalist society. One place where all exchanges are voluntary.
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serjthereturn Everything that is not Capitalism is a form of exchange or production where force is imposed. All non voluntary interactions where one person is peaceable and does not initiate force are examples of slavery. Slavery is as evil regardless of the degree just as child molestation is evil regardless of the degree. I refuse and reject your collectivists (Bakunin) attempt to redefine freedom as a privilege. A privilege is granted and can be taken away. The right to be free, the right to act in ones own self interest is intrinsic, natural, indisputable. The only thing in dispute is regarding your willingness to acknowledge you have no right to govern another individual. Freedom and Liberty can only be acknowledged. They exist as natural rights regardless of any persons acknowledgement just as the sun rises regardless of denials.
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eder corrales No, he has the slave citizens to provide from their limited needs all his unlimited whims. The final evolved status of all socialist citizenry farming concerns.
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***** The availability of goods and services sucks don't it. People offering to trade you for clothing, auto's, tools, homes. It all sucks compared to living in grass hut. Hell, just think of it, we could all be sitting around a dung fire picking bugs off each other eating sustainable algae cakes provided by a revolutionary communist elitist. Give me your address so I can send a truck to pick up all that stuff that is torturing your life.
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Fernando Luna So your argument is Communists are no Socialists? Wiki: "constitutionally defined as a Marxist-Leninist "socialist state" CubaTreks: "Cuba is a republic with a centralized socialist system " Now we've established that your uninformed. Also consider that your argument is they are poor because of a lack of access to Capitalism. YES, I AGREE! Do you realize how contradictory your education is? Smack yourself awake. There is no freedom, no "Capitalism" (voluntary exchange) under Socialist, Progressives or Communists. They are the same in that they enslave each person to the state and other peoples needs as defined by the state elitists. It's a life of slavery. A live of nearly everything taken from you to be redistributed to others (mostly the ruling elite). It's slavery. I never ranted against the people of Cuba who are beautiful and I'm certain capable of hard work and meaningful production. I pointed out the poverty of socialist ideology. I'm pointing out the nasty ugly ignorance of supporters of socialism, communism, progressive'ism and whatever other name used to make force sound positive. I am for Cuba. I am for complete and open voluntary exchange between Cuba and America. I am for Capitalism and opposed to all state force interfering with voluntary exchange in any way from either side. You know nothing.
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serjthereturn How do you claim the right to prevent people from voluntary exchange of goods and services? Are you god?
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serjthereturn All alternatives to the market are trade by force. You said: "I guess we'll just have to leave you guys to blindly worship at the altar of the 'market' (sic)" Disparaging voluntary exchange through the market is to support involuntary exchange by force. Force is evil when applied to emancipated adults who force no one. There are no exceptions. Why do you advocate for force? Why is there room in your life for gain by the initiation of force?
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Viking Shaman The Socialists ruling elite produce surfs to serve their wealth by presenting an allusion of an easy life with endless free services paid for by others. The appetite for materialism is driven by the product of Socialist ideology: Hardship. And every Socialist failure is of course, the fault of desires to accumulate resources to work ones way out of the coerced equality of poverty. Thus the ruling elites maintain a kind of gold rush fever illness among their surfs. A constant struggle producing for the ruling elite a life of steak and lobster. The few who discover their slavery are sent to prison, Siberia or the La-Bianca. It's an old formula. This has been a presentation of "Enslaving Men" subtitle, "Communism in a Nutshell".
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Viking Shaman He is drunk with Gold Rush (free stuff) fever. It's an intoxicant. I question if reason can be a cure. For most, even decaying in poverty does not bring about a revolution in their minds. It only reinforces their resolve right unto the moment they expire. In seeking to take by force others life force they sacrifice their own. Their fellow revolutionaries are strengthened in their resolve by suffering. It's a suicide pact. They'll keep scheming for that gold to their own death. All the while, those at the steak and lobster table pass the time ---- and the caviar. It's a great "business" this enslaving of a population to your own purposes. They are so convinced they do most of the enforcement themselves.
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nustada Yea, they've got them fully submitted to over there, the Progressives are finalizing our final disposition in similar fashion here as well. Keep the ridicule finely tuned my friend.
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fckwhat Who is suggesting to move Cubans from socialist slavery to the ruling elite into prostitution? You are not addressing any of my remarks. The suggestion is despicably evil. I wish to move them into voluntary exchange, away from subjugation to communist "equality" of poverty economic system. My desire is for all people to escape such oppression. I certainly agree many of them are genius and showed great creativity and individual exceptionalism. I celebrate such individuals as the hero's of any societies capacity for wealth creation. I am exactly for people helping themselves. I am for the Acknowledgement of their natural Liberty to do so without being under any hindrance or coercion from collectives "controllers" sapping a living of their backs. I oppose all force used against people who force no one. ALL. I am for Liberty.
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Capitalism is simply voluntary exchange. Please elaborate how violence and force (the only alternatives to violence and force) are moral and who taught you this. I oppose slavery in all it's forms.
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***** I'm sorry, are you a victim of a disorder?
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Sean Quinn Those who defend the leftist ideology regardless of it's history are no different than the leftists that defend socialist WWII Germany. It's a sickness. Let us pity them. We must guard ourselves against leftists trying to destroy our lives as others have been destroyed. Left unchecked, they will double down on the Socialist/Communist killing or starving to death of 120 million as one more attempt to establish Utopia. Remember Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, and all the rest. Never let them forget who their hero's are.
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fckwhat "your likes who wanted to justify the end." This statement is the trophy of your ignorant rant. I am for a completely voluntary relationships among people. I consider violence rationalized to establish some utopia like "the end" or the "the greater good" to be the height of evil. Most ideologies are simply ways of rationalizing the use of force to obtain from the backs of others all or a portion of ones needs. As if a "need" is a claim on the property of others. Robbers, thieves and molesters the lot.
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serjthereturn "Trade and exchanging goods is not capitalism. Capitalism is the private ownership of production." All conditions that are not "Capitalism" require force and violence to maintain. When the State owns the means of production how are people prevented from providing goods and services if not by the gun barrel? See Socialist/Communist history for the millions who where shot in the head or starved to death to prevent them for working in their own self interest. Rational people reject state slavery. "As is altruism and team-work, solidarity, working together to achieve common goals and being sociable." Who would dispute your right to sacrifice yourself (altruism) or to work as a team to achieve common goals? If you choose to do so fine. What is evil is choosing for others. What is evil is using the violence and force of the state to make people take your own personal decisions. If your way is good, why is a gun needed to acheive utopia? How many millions more with a "goals" not your own must die to create socialist heaven? Who said I was Libertarian? That is your claim. You prove it. Capitalists (as opposed to Croney Socialists) get their money because people voluntarily trade it to them for goods. This is how capital is accumulated so we can have complex things like automobiles and refrigerators. How do you propose preventing people from choosing where to spend their money (or trade their goods & services) with people you do not personally approve of? I am for your right to choose to spend your money (trade value) with anybody that will likewise voluntarily choose to exchange with you. What you propose is non voluntary exchange. All exchange that is non-voluntary requires violence or the promise of violence in order to preserve the slavery. When you subjugate a persons choices and force them to take you own, you are establishing slavery. I oppose all mixing of government and economics. Monopolies (save one example I can think of) are always and only exist by support and force of government. I oppose all force on those who have forced no one. Monopolies are the result of government force, dictate and license. I am for Liberty.
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I said "you know nothing" in response your attempt to assert your guess of my position. You know nothing of my positions which I have not yet stated. It seemed less snarky even if less accurate than the more correct term "Ignorant". I try to avoid name calling which is a resignation that translates simply into "I have no argument." I am excited to have my ideas challenged. Please quote me and fire away. I don't know with certainty what you mean by "name" or "decent". I make no assumption from photo's or names. For example, there is an idiot who pretends to be a black intellectual by his photo but is actually a leftist KKK idiot posing as black. I make no assumptions. I strive to only respond to what you say. I don't even want to know anything about your extraction unless it's important to understand your point or an example. It really mostly just doesn't mater. Did I say the sulfurous smoking hand of government? That is what I meant. I'm interested in philosophy and ideology. I'm not interested in race other than to say that I acknowledge Liberty as the highest condition of man (regardless of race) and meaningful productivity his highest purpose (regardless of race). I am pro Cuban, Pro Liberty for all. Are there Martians? I am pro Liberty for Martians as well. My purpose is to ridicule leftists as wanting us all sitting around a dung fire eating algae cakes picking bugs off each other. They are not much different from ISIL. They want us to return to the 7th century while they live in castles eating steaks paid for off our backs. I don't' believe most Cuban celebrate their slavery to the leftists that rule Cuba. I appreciate you response and your acknowledging a point. Perhaps you do know something. ;-) I reject all excuses for Communism. All ideologies that rationalize subjugation of people to anything other than their own peaceful self interest as they see it are establishments of slavery over Liberty. I am for Liberty. I reject slavery without regard to how it is sold by those who wish to profit from it. Communism where and whenever it exists is slavery of the individual to the needs of others by force of threat of violence from the state. It's such a good idea, it works at the end of a gun. It's violent always and every time. I am for Liberty.
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serjthereturn What you are describing I call Crony Socialism. Where the state provides through threat of force and use of violence market protections, money from tax payers, licensing to limit market participants. Tell me, how do we have large things like power plants and automobile manufacturers if thousands (or tens of thousands) of people do not pool their assets together to accumulate the equipment and tooling to pull it off? In your era before voluntary cooperation, you could have a horse and carriage because a man or family could build it and sell it to you. I want more. Tell Stalin and Marx to stick it.
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serjthereturn You misspelled it. It should be g-v-e-r-n-m-e-n-t. The mafia and government are indistinguishable.
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nustada When they spell it "Labour" your dealing with pure blood communist. They want to live by force. Nothing they make belongs to their employer. They deserve every penny of profit and ownership of every machine and the building they work in. They are useful only as the sewer in the background to provide contrast for the beauty of Liberty and Freedom. Use them. Don't try to convert them. Use them to your purposes, attach them to the violence they represent. Pull the rug off the sewer of their ideology.
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nustada "Again if socialism is so great and capitalism is so evil, the embargo should be a good thing for them." Cudo's Proper ridicule. Their minds have been subverted. Reason a logic escape them. Keep it up.
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serjthereturn You answer nothing, thank you for the resignation.
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serjthereturn You are ignoring the implications of the definition in order to retain your constructed self image and access to goods and services under partial force of government. No widely respected economist calls our system Capitalism. They call it modified Capitalism. In other words, not Capitalism. Smack yourself awake. It's more important to be correct than to defend a wrong position. I am for Liberty.
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There are no examples of cities without theft. Yet we agree theft is immoral. There is no priori between the frequency of occurrence and the morality of an act. If I mentioned a place with many rapes or no rapes at all, it would not rationalize rape as moral or immoral. The frequency of occurrence and is not related to the morality of the act. Thus, I don't know of what value the answer would be. Additionally, I have not claimed there were any such places. Examples of Capitalist exchanges would be free of coercion would be: Any person or entity providing services or goods without government market protections (licensing for example) to any other person where both parties enter into the transaction voluntarily at an agree'd upon compensation. Both parties for-fill the contract. (If the contract is not fulfilled, then it's fraud (which is an initiation of force) which is not Capitalism.) A hair weaver or nail painter, anybody you hire to do anything that meets the above criteria. I am unaware of any pure capitalist societies. However, we were largely capitalist during the industrial revolution. A time of greatest Liberty responsible for the single greatest reduction of people living under poverty. As socialists have further meddled in the the Liberty of voluntary exchange (regulations have increased) the pace of lifting people out of poverty has all but stopped. Women, minorities all worse off under our current socialist. I am for Liberty. Liberty is indisputably superior to subjugation to the will of others.
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serjthereturn Right in the front you lie. "golden age of your favourite ideology" I never made such a statement. You are a fraud. I won't bother reading past a lie. Apologize and restate an argument based on truth.
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serjthereturn I'm not even going to hit "Read more". An honest person would criticize me for my exact words and not make up something I didn't say to criticize me for. You are not honest. You set a perfect backdrop to socialist ideology. A fraud. Lets leave the example at the truth shall we?
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***** Good comments. It's more than ceding Liberty to government. You give leftists too much credit. They "trade" Liberty in negotiation with politicians to steal by coercion from their fellow man their daily needs. They are no different than a robber, vandal, mugger or child molester. They feel their need is a right to use force on others to gain satisfaction. Leftists believe a need is a claim. A valid claim to take from you what they need. When you protest, they argue, it's not really stealing if it's not your property to begin with. They argue there is no property right. Or, they saddle you as a slave to a contract you haven't signed called "a social contract". Or they rationalize it by calling their violence something sweeter "equality" or for the "greater good" to take from others your needs when they call it "social justice". Justice indeed. I call it by it's proper name. Slavery! They are no different than any rapist. "Honey, it's for the greater good, It meets my needs, it's justice (I deserve it), now shut up!" It's all violence.
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willie772 Tinsuyo and Veen are drunk with the communists promise to provide them with goods and services taken from the backs of their fellow citizens. They are simply aspiring slave masters wishing to live by enslaving everyone around them. Your wise words can only help those capable of meaningful intelligence. They can only help those not drunk with the desire to obtain wealth from robbing others of their productive capacity. Communism is a way to control the stupid, a way to make them spend a lifetime sacrificing to the steak and lobster of a few wealthy individuals. Ask the Castro's who have had the best of everything for a lifetime while their slaves toil in the dirt of socialist promises. Tinsuyo and Veen will never have Castro's seat of power. They are predators who wish to be just like Castro. We must accept that many of these people are lost and cannot be saved. They have dedicated their lives to getting what they want by enlisting the force of governments. They reject voluntary exchange (Capitalism) and prefer it's opposite, slavery or exchange of goods at the end of a gun. Thank you for shining the light of truth on this conversation.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Slogans? Show me a photograph of these signs being used in a march. No? People who think like me are working. You are such an idiot. I've never argued for the ongoing embargo. I am for Voluntary Exchange. That means I am for open, free, unregulated trade. In your grasping to defend a murderous ideology of hate you cannot open your eyes to see reality. I am for free trade why? Not for your reasons probably. Mine are that are initiations of force are immoral. That is to say, no person has a right to regulate, limit or inhibit exchanges of value between two voluntary participants who harm no other person. The Non Aggression Principle. I am for free trade as the only peaceful way to interact with others. The only way to interact which is no immoral. Why do I need to keep explaining this to you over and over. Is your head made from a bowling ball? Can you credit a socialist educator for your capacity to reject the obvious?
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Viking Shaman But, the revolution! The Revolution and all it's riches are just around the corner. If we can only jail or shoot a few more dissidents.........
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Tahuan Tinsuyo "The rich have always used their government to plunder the people. " Do you indite every person you consider "rich" as a thief? Are you saying you are anti-government? I will agree with you when government is used to create monopolies or advantages for certain "special" people. When the government protects a person from the choices of consumers in the marketplace by blocking competition, particularly at the behest of a business man, it is evil. There are no "special" people who deserve "special" restrictions on their competition so they can take it easy and profit off the guns of government. In this regard, I will agree with you. Where I will disagree is if one's accumulated wealth comes from voluntary trade. If this is the case, you cannot deride the man without in fact deriding those who clamored to his doors to trade with him (or her). Such a position is of course ignorant, beyond all logic and the position of many evil socialist tyrants.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Bring to me this person, a copy of the contract I have signed and an Invoice. What you wish to do is apply a debt to the back of a person who paid as agree'd. You wish to remove from them by coercion the results of their production for the disposal of others. You are promoting slavery, not voluntary exchange. What other options are there? Am I not to buy goods that are offered to avoid the slave contract you wish to put on my back for buying from the poor? No, I think you will send your armed representatives to take from me what you wish. I refuse your plantation and all the violence you wish to employ slaver.
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***** Why, because I'm for bringing Capitalism to the Cuban people exactly as they are begging for. It's so nice under the Communist steak and lobster eating butchers they are trying to escape at every turn. What a bunch of losers. Some of the worlds poorest most propagandized subjects still want nothing but to get away from Socialists. The love of Socialism's. Loves you so much. When the government controls eduction, you fail to teach them the death and starvation of socialist/Communist hero's. Hero's of the graveyard. Serial killers. Communists, a bunch of old white bearded serial killers.
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nccrawford Wow, it even rates a Wiki page (killings and genocides by Communists in general) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
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***** Nope, still stupid. Anti-Capitalists deserve only finger pointing and laughing. Where you do you think all that wealth you want to rob productive people comes from? Do you think Stalin poops it out of the sky? Do you believe in un-caused wealth? Goods and services are produced by productive people and distributed by trade. Crying anti-capitalists make little. None of them are prime movers. I am for Liberty and part of Liberty is voluntary exchange. Voluntary exchange is infinitely morally superior to the slavery of Socialist/Progressive/Democrat/Marxist/Stalinist ideology.
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***** It wouldn't be to your own self interest to be made to feel as you deserve. I agree with your refusal.
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serjthereturn No, I never said working children in mines was good. Is that all you have? To make up positions for me then criticize them? Look people, a socialist with no logical argument. Lets do some research and see who the supporter of a child labor ideology is. You or me? Top 10 worse child labor offenders. 10. Ethiopia, Party: Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front, Ideology: Marxist-Socialist. 9. Pakistan, Largest Party: Pakistan Peoples Party, Ideology: Democratic Socialism. 8. Burundi, Party: National Council for the Defense of Democracy. Ideology: Hutu Interests. 7.Afgansistan, Party #1: Hizb ut-Tahrir, Ideology Islamism, #2: Afghan Peace Movement, Ideology Secular Socialism. 6:Zimbabwe, Party #1 Zimbabwe African National Union – Patriotic Front (ZANU–PF), Ideology: Aftrican Natialism, Socialism. 5:Democratic Republic of Congo, President Party: People's Party for Reconstruction and Democracy, Ideology: Democratic Socialism. Next major party: Union for Democracy and Social Progress, Ideology: Social Liberalism, Social Democracy, Progressivism. 4:Sudan, Party: Democratic Unionist Party, Ideology, Arab Nationalism. 3:Somalia: Party: Tayo Ideology: Social Nationalism, Social LIberalims, Economic Liberalism, Progresivism, (and what else of course?) Green Politics. 2:North Korea: Party: Workers' Party of Korea, Ideology: Juche / "Similar to Stalinism" 1:Myanmar, Party: National Unity Party, Ideology: Socialism. All political party and ideolgy information taken from Wiki. I can only say there must be a fast wiki wing conspiracy? List of 10 was taken from the highest unpaid Google result for "countrys with largest child labor"Offenders: http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-worst-child-labor-risks-2012-1?op=1 Child labor is apparently a strong outcome of socialist ideology. Supported by socialists the world over. Very sad. What kind of person supports such an ideology? Cruel and evil.
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Powerslide0 That proves it then. Your amazing grasp on the facts floors us all. We bow to your brilliant analysis. How did you become so compelling?
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Con safos Thank you. People fear they will lose access to value taken from the backs of others. They fail to realize more value is taken from them than they ever receive. The robber takes a huge share from people who then fight over the crumbs as they fall from the table. Think of a person who has the results of their production taken away for the disposal of another person. This is a working definition of slavery. Slavery is according to socialist ideology the highest purpose of man. They claim a right to put everybody under threat of force to create their utopia. I say the highest purpose of man is meaningful production. For only out of meaningful production can charity come. Only from meaningful production can personal wealth be created or a home or a meal or a book. Wealth does not exist, It's simply an idea, a concept, a possibility until labor and materials are combined and refined into wealth. Those who rail against Capitalism, against meaningful production by voluntary means seek to establish equality of poverty for all through slavery. Of course. It's simple to understand what they want for the rest of us. I do not consent. I am for Liberty. I am for a voluntary world filled with people who understand the moral depravity of force to obtain ones desires is exactly the same as a robber, vandal or child molester. Making a claim on others to satisfy one's needs and desires is evil. I am for Liberty.
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serjthereturn Tell me where the mumble feature. Is it something I can apply to my text like italics?
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serjthereturn Let me check.......hmmm, Yea, history didn't change yet. History is weird that way. Socialist ideology claims the right to control others. Evil. It's equality of poverty and death for those the elitists don't favor.
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serjthereturn " without actually adressing what I'm saying to you" You never responded to the child labor offenders. Let me plaster that all over you and Hillary Benghazi Clinton again. 7 or 8 of the most terrible child labor countries claim you're and the murderous Pol Pot's ideology. Here we go: Top 10 worse child labor offenders. 10. Ethiopia, Party: Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front, Ideology: Marxist-Socialist. 9. Pakistan, Largest Party: Pakistan Peoples Party, Ideology: Democratic Socialism. 8. Burundi, Party: National Council for the Defense of Democracy. Ideology: Hutu Interests. 7.Afgansistan, Party #1: Hizb ut-Tahrir, Ideology Islamism, #2: Afghan Peace Movement, Ideology Secular Socialism. 6:Zimbabwe, Party #1 Zimbabwe African National Union – Patriotic Front (ZANU–PF), Ideology: Aftrican Natialism, Socialism. 5:Democratic Republic of Congo, President Party: People's Party for Reconstruction and Democracy, Ideology: Democratic Socialism. Next major party: Union for Democracy and Social Progress, Ideology: Social Liberalism, Social Democracy, Progressivism. 4:Sudan, Party: Democratic Unionist Party, Ideology, Arab Nationalism. 3:Somalia: Party: Tayo Ideology: Social Nationalism, Social LIberalims, Economic Liberalism, Progresivism, (and what else of course?) Green Politics. 2:North Korea: Party: Workers' Party of Korea, Ideology: Juche / "Similar to Stalinism" 1:Myanmar, Party: National Unity Party, Ideology: Socialism. All political party and ideolgy information taken from Wiki. I can only say there must be a fast wiki wing conspiracy? List of 10 was taken from the highest unpaid Google result for "countrys with largest child labor"Offenders: http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-worst-child-labor-risks-2012-1?op=1 Child labor is apparently a strong outcome of socialist ideology. Supported by socialists the world over. Very sad. What kind of person supports such an ideology? Cruel and evil.
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Robert Nørgaard Rasmussen These Scandinavian countries are dying. Their birth rates are only 1.8. By know how to "use it" do you mean you know how to properly claim the results of other peoples production for your own disposal? We're talking about morality here. About non-violence as a way of life. We are ridiculing Socialists as violent and proponents of slavery the world over.
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Richard Smith When people's work (or labor or labour) no longer benefits them directly, they lay down their tools. Millions starve or are killing while rectification of the problem never seems to come.
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krytonic0 I don't remember saying those things. Why don't you quote me, then present your proof. This way we know you're actually thinking and not snorting Cocaine while commenting. I'm happy to defend my words. Your words (what you wrote above) is really just your personal fantasy. Smack yourself awake.
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Richard Smith He sets a good example of leftist thinking. A name caller. No logic, simply emotion. He serves my purposes.
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krytonic0 I haven't been talking about the USA. You have. I've been talking about the poverty of socialist ideology. Put a ring in your nose and hand me the line, I'll lead you out of the dark.
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synapse131 Who is arguing that government limits on voluntary exchange are moral? ALL laws which interfere with voluntary exchange are evil. Every one. Pay attention. If you can't quote something somebody said but instead have to make it up, perhaps you have no argument. Be honest.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Do you think we need some kind of intervention to prevent people who wish from consuming as many products and services as they can afford to pay for?
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DAVID VAN VEEN I would still like to know if a person can pay for what they consume, do you advocate for some other limit to be imposed on them? Would you advocate for a tax on something for the purpose of reducing it's consumption? Would you advocate for a strict limit of any product? This could be an interesting conversation. I'd like to understand this one point however and not make any assumptions about your thoughts.
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So what you are saying is you are willing to enlist force to make people take your personal choices? What if I want titanium which mostly comes from Russia. I am I to be chased down by your government and slaughtered for my desire to trade peacefully and voluntarily with a Russian? What of Italian wine? Are we going to use guns to stop people from trading for Italian wine? What you suggest requires force and violence be used against people. Under what logic do you claim this right.
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DAVID VAN VEEN The current amount of force is immoral. Progressives are about force. They are about forcing their personal choices on others. Why not try peacefulness? Why not live by voluntary cooperation and lay the guns currently being used to coerce people into paying for what they don't like?
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DAVID VAN VEEN I have not represented one of those things you bring up. A change of subject to 5 or 7 different things is not an answer. The initiation of force is evil. I am for Liberty.
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Liberty is a condition. A condition whereby a person may undertake peaceful actions in their own self interest without inhibition from others. It is not to be confused with license whereby people use force to obtain their needs or desires. If I decide to seek profit by making a product that people will voluntarily pay me for, I am adding to the wealth of the world. I am adding to their lives. They value the basket more than the spear they trade me. I value the spear more than the basket. Any third party making a claim on proceeds from our trade or claiming a right to direct the basket or spear to their own purposes is a predator of men. Evil. To bring that into today's world. You decide to make spoon rings in order to earn a profit. Your interest is to save sums above your daily needs so you can buy a fishing boat for weekend recreation. Your actions are moral. You are pursuing your own self interest. Nobody is forced. You are making products people trade their cash (or baskets or spears) for voluntarily. Likewise, if accumulate profits so you can buy more equipment and machinery to make the rings faster so more people can have your product, your actions are moral. It is only people like you who accumulate wealth who make our ease of life possible. And still you wish to save for more equipment. Soon you are making other products like cookware. You are not immoral for adding to the world access to goods and services. In fact quite the opposite. You are a hero. It is only because of hero's such as above that we are not 97% of us toiling in with hoe on a farm beating our living out of the dirt. These people are hero's. If you initiate force (yourself or through hired guns) to obtain your daily bread, your desires, your needs, then you are immoral and evil. For example, a robbers, molesters, slave masters, thieves, muggers, rapists, molesters and hand out voters. These are all people who view their needs and desires as claims on other people. Are you moral or immoral? Do you live by what people will voluntarily trade to you for the goods and services you provide, or do you seek to live by what can be robbed?
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DAVID VAN VEEN Part two of my response. Your entire statement in review: RadicalRC it seems you are confused. Liberty and Monetary gain are two different things." I've defined Liberty above. You have no right to use force on anyone to control their choices as long as they do not initiate force. If that persons goals were to make a profit to buy something they need or desire, you have not place to stop them. "Reactionaries are summed up by the topics I mentioned above." I've not defended "reactionaries", whatever that is. "If you are making efforts to control the dialog to your favor" You are responding to me in the thread I started. Why of course. Besides, wouldn't it be ugly of me to attempt to defend leftist ideology? I'm not a self sacrificing easily subjugated follower. "and keep your "profits before people" mentality shrouded in the guise of "liberty"." This is your assertion, not my claim. I think you should should be writing me a check for everything you do not need. You have no right to it? Millions have been killed and starved to death with these communist ideas. You wish to take by force what you need rather than to participate in peaceful voluntary cooperation. Vile.
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DAVID VAN VEEN I do not and have not in any way described any entity who uses the monopoly of state force to preserve a monopoly on any service or product as moral. You are not paying attention. I am for pure Capitalism. The use of exclusive licensing by the state is not capitalism. It's force. It's profit from a big government monopoly. Profit only possible because force and guns are used to preserve the monopoly. I am for voluntary exchange. Not involuntary socialist or communist centrally controlled or meddled with markets. Such things are evil and I stand with you against them. My reasons may be different. I don't hate the productive, I don't hate the rich, I don't hate people because they have more. I hate the initiation of force. All other hates are forms of bigotry for which I will have no part.
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I've decided that my words and actions will witness for a world where we stop initiating force against the peaceful. Can you join me? Think about it. Eric Garner was suffocated to death as a result of the attention he got selling something he owned. This is not disputed by anyone. The state claimed no wrong doing. This isn't a man who fought with then charged an armed man. This is a man who was providing a service to people who were willing to pay for it. A 3rd party predator claimed an exclusive right for others to sell this product exclusively. The state as a 3rd party predator protecting a market from Liberty to it's own profit and the exclusive profit of a select group. Exactly what you find offensive in banking. Predating on people for the benefit of a few who wish to dine on steak and Lobster while the rest of us tail in their worship. See the connection.
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Michael Johnson Is this supposed to substituent for an argument? I'll keep my Liberty. I wish for you what you deserve.
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DAVID VAN VEEN I never had to work in a fry joint. I worked lower, below minimum wage for a black man as the only white employee at a bottle exchange company. It was a summer when I was about 16. A fun time. Learned a few things. I did it voluntarily because I wanted to. He paid me voluntarily because he wanted to. I reject all predators who would think they have or had any right to intercede between us. All laws against voluntary exchange are immoral. All Objectors to Liberty who use coercion to impose their will upon others are immoral.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Commerce is important. It is one of the main focuses Objectors to Liberty share. It's something you keep bringing up and it's where your arguments are non existent. So tell me David, you understand that people choose who to spend their money with. This is often (not always) how a company grows. From one or two to 3 then 5 then 10 people have a job. So tell me, when do they become evil for providing employment, goods and services to willing customers? At 10 employee's? 20? 100? 113? 257? At what point do we blame the evil bastard job and product providing owner for the evil of exchanging with too many willing working class customers? The real question is why are working class customers evil for their choices? The answer is you don't believe in Liberty. You do not wish to leave people to make their own choices. You wish to meddle and control. Are you really this kind of person? Or, have you been subject to evil predators wishing to turn you to their purposes? I am for Liberty. I reject all forms of control. I own me. You own you.
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DAVID VAN VEEN " If you don't have enough respect for your follow countrymen to buy American." Based on what? You have no idea what cars and products I own and use. You offer no argument. You are lost. I can't save you.
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zaxx19 Schools are run by 95% Democrats. It's well established. It's a Socialist system. There are few left stupid enough to blame the failed results of forced Socialist systems on those Liberty. However there are plenty of vile people will go on trying. Everything that looks like it's working for now "Hail our favorite Socialist murders Stalin! Che Pol Pot Hitler Castor!" Every thing that fails under their command, Blame Capitalists! Blame the people who trade voluntarily who ignore your claims. Blame our very own people for refusing to live in dirt who use voluntary peaceful trade to work their way out of Socialist poverty. Of course. Socialism is about equality of poverty for everyone. Of course.
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zaxx19 Pull head out of arse.
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DAVID VAN VEEN "There is No socialism in the USA." Can I take it to mean you oppose Welfare, Social Security, Obama Care and Aid for Dependent Children? If these programs are not socialist and you propose socialism as proper, perhaps you could tell us what socialism is then?
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John Forbes You're being way too soft and easy on them. They do it wishing to position themselves to benefit from the ceding of Liberty they are selling. They are fertilizing their own slave class of people turned to their own purposes. Most of them are not dumb, they are simply evil users of other humans. They are "Objectors to Liberty".
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John Forbes When one stands upon the highest hill of Liberty. When one reaches a point where he refuses evil, refuses to initiate force on others, he has finished the race. I have been at the finish line calling out assistance to the lost. For evil is the initiation of force against those who force no one. I am for freeing the slaves of Socialist / Communist Cuba. Free them from their immoral central controllers. The purpose of the Utopian sales pitch is simply to keep the ruling elite in steak and lobster. Let us trade in the snake oil of utopia for Liberty. Liberty over slavery. Liberty over the subjugation of a person's will to another persons purposes. Will you stand with me an ridicule subjugation / slavery?
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John Forbes At the finish line in the sense I am as far as I know how to go at this time. I know not how far to go there can be. Perhaps "finish" was a poor choice of words for which I accept your criticism. I did not state "achieved ultimate knowledge". Knowledge is a journey. The shortest most concise definition for which I have the least concern was written by Thomas Jefferson in a letter. "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others." I'm not certain if this is a high precision quote or not. I simply provide an often repeated quote that suits the question. My one discomfort with it is the use of the word "Rightful" which seems like a double positive. Non rightful liberty is license. License is something quite distinguishable from capital "L" Liberty. I like this remark: "I mean couldn't liberty mean I get to choose my own damn hill?" I use the word hill perhaps clumsily as a representation of truth. To imply I stand upon the truth as best I know it. For example, we probably both agree that murder is evil. I accept your reasons as your own for sharing the value; murder is evil, even if they are different from my own. Neither of us has a right to murder. I can explain my reasons, your reasons may be similar, the same or quite different. One of us may have a stronger logical argument than the other. However, if neither of us murder, or rob, or steal, or mug then we are both peaceful. The "why" is important. However, the virtue matters the most. Another good one; "Maybe liberty means that I don't have go it to debt to pay for school?" In the context of recent news, this would be license. If I can enlist men with guns to enslave others to my purpose; 'paying for a great education', then I am taking license with the property of others. I would be claiming the property of others to meet my needs and desires. I would be making a slave out of another person for the time it took them to earn their portion of what I steal. No different then the slavery that is imposed on your labor if I steal your flat screen TV. Such claims placed on others against their will are vile and immoral. "Liberty could mean that if I am sick I will be treated until I am healthy, not just get Emergency Services and made "comfortable." If by gaining the treatment you get it by the voluntary cooperation of others or by contract or by payment, then yes. Charity is moral for example. However, eating a meal and running off without paying the tab is stealing. "Perhaps it is the liberty to choose my own government?" Another interesting remark. To choose for yourself to be subjugated I feel is personally abhorrent but within your own natural right. It's akin to choosing who will pummel you perhaps. To choose for another is of course evil. To make a choice for the purpose of holding off, slowing and pushing back tyranny to me is moral. To me it seems the reason for the choice is paramount. This is an answer with many ramifications for which I am still forming a perspective. "Liberty could even be having the opportunity to trade on the open market without restriction from an oppressive external barrier." I believe without hesitation that all "law" in opposition to voluntary exchange is immoral. You may trade anything you like with any other consenting adult so long as you do not initiate force or fraud. I am for Liberty, that means I cannot oppose voluntary exchange. Of course, I would suggest many things are not in your interest such as drugs but you may trade them if you like. In such a case, you would want me serving on your jury. No victim? NULLIFY! To address the beginning of your remarks. I am under no obligation to write any complete works or chapters on any subject. I may do as I please. I like to put what I consider to be my strongest (sometimes experimental) most indisputable statements out there. Then hope I get some strong difficult to answer questions or arguments that make me think. I find it exciting to be proven wrong. For only by finding my errors may I become more correct. Thank you for the time and thought put into an intelligent response. I only get one at this level about every couple of weeks. Mostly it's just a bunch of mental weaklings who's best salvo is elementary school name calling. You are much more interesting.
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John Forbes If you read my earlier remarks to others, I have stated (or should have by now) that all law limiting or abridging voluntary exchange is immoral. No person or group has a moral right to control or limit trade between two consenting adults. I do not recognize royalty and thus reject any person claim of a monopoly upon the actions of another who forces no one. However, I do not in any way accept the ongoing attempts to blame the failures of Socialist ideology upon Capitalism or anything else for that mater. It's not America's fault Socialist ideology has lead to the predictable result of poverty for the masses. The poverty and mass killings in Cuba, Russia, Germany, Cambodia and other places rest squarely upon the immoral ideologies which produced them. Additionally, so many others trade with Cuba that anything they want (other than military goods) are probably available through surrogates regardless of any ban on trade. Drugs are as illegal as can be and are everywhere. I'm sure the Castro's have always had access to everything they want and suffered for nothing. The slaves of socialism in Cuba, enjoy little of nothing. For those slaves (the balance of the non ruling population) are as expected to serve the purposes and needs of the ruling class. Their slave masters paper the country with asserted moral victories for the peasants while they go wanting. Liberty is always superior to the slavery of subjugation to the will of other people. Thank you for responding in kindness. I'll look up William Godwin. I recognize the name but do not know the book. I enjoy venturing into philosophy.
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John Forbes After some short study of Godwin, it occurs to me to wonder if it is the early or late man you admire? The early man seems to ascribe to "from each... to each...." and the abhorrent "greater good" violence and slavery. While the late Godwin seemed to support only virtuous voluntarian values. Perhaps you admire him for his walk away from the use of force against those who force no one. I can see the genius of acknowledging Liberty as a first fundamental principle overcoming the typical fraudulent indoctrination of slavish duty to others purposes in his evolution. I claim no mastery of the subject of Godwin, just my initial observations.
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***** Its sick to admire an ideology establishing as moral catering to others (slavery) by force as it's highest achievement.
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Helghastl33t Yes, they need Capitalism to save them. Of course. Socialists run and economy down then blame it on Capitalism, then Capitalism comes in to save them. Yes, I am for full voluntary exchange without any government overlords. I am for full open trade with other peaceful people. The notion that anybody can claim a right to control voluntary exchange is a high evil. It's as evil when Communists do it as well as Americans. I'm consistent. I am for Liberty! Thank you for arguing "with me" for Liberty. A complete separation of government from economics would help on both sides. The Castro's and their Communist Socialist overlords won't allow them to access voluntary un-obstructed open markets even where they exist. They don't now, they won't ever. Why? Because all Cuban's are their slaves. I am for Liberty in Cuba. I am for Liberty always. No exceptions to advantage any overlords and help keep them in steak and lobster. Are you with me? I am for Liberty.
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zaxx19 When I say I am for a free market, I mean that you can I can trade or otherwise interact voluntarily. Nothing else. Whatever straw man you may be considering associating with me from history is rejected. I am for voluntary relationships and action between people as superior to slavery. Period. I am for Liberty. Slavery is the only other option. You either are for peoples right to choose for themselves (so long as they initiate force against no one) or you are for slavery. And, there is nothing but immorality in slavery, even a little bit is immoral just like a little bit of rape is immoral. I reject the notion that any person or group possess the special right to use coercion to claim the results of another persons productivity. Any such person is a slaver. I am for Liberty. Voluntary peaceful cooperation between peaceful people who initiate force against no one.
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Lets stay on this subject for a while. I sense you are a thinking person since you are not jumping all over the map. Let me answer your first question. If there is no fraud, no initiation of force between us or against others, then sure. An example: I once worked below minimum wage. I think it was $3.25 at the time and I worked for $2 for a few months. I think I was 17? I was paid as agree'd. I had a lot of fun and had some new experiences. I was the only white guy working for a black man who employed maybe 20. It was a bottle and carton exchange from the days of deposit bottles. It was a blast. I learned about a culture I had never been exposed to before. I learned about a business that was an important service. I learned the people I worked with were hard working, honest and considerate. This was an important experience for me. The question is really, do you advocate that I or my employer be arrested or put in a cage for making this exchange voluntarily? "People and employers should be free to hook up in a completely free market worldwide, correct?" If the market is completely free. If there is no initiation of force. (no fraud, no coercion) why not? Who am I or you to force my sensibilities and values for labor or goods on anybody else? Let me be clear, your statement should have been: "People and people should be free to exchange goods and services to their mutual pleasure completely free of coercive force and death threats from filthy jackals demanding fees for their capacity to exchange. In this way avoiding being robbed or shot by their hired gunmen. Correct?" Can you believe the nastiness of people over Bangladesh? Something like 40 years (or was it 60) under the poverty inducing Socialist reign. The Awami League, an entire collective serving the purposes of the ruling elite (slaves of) for all those years. The best technology they could attain was being planets the low end producer of clothing. Their biggest industry and at the bottom of the barrel? What happened to the gold fever socialist promise in Bangladesh? Then, when there is a terrible accident, a tragedy, where where the central planners? They were blaming the Capitalists. Where were the building inspectors? They were blaming Capitalists. Where where American socialists? Demanding that what little they were able to make and sell to the world be rejected to punish them. Showing compassion by attempting to get others to drive them deeper into poverty. Their reward, to the starvation chamber! Of course. Now, let me qualify, I don't know if the Capitalists in Bangladesh were in a free market or a protected regulated Crony Socialist market. In which case, they wouldn't be capitalists. But, there is no doubt, it was for the greatest time another failed socialist utopia.
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Helghastl33t I didn't mention "anarcho-capitalism" whatever that means to you. What it means to me is you are using a straw man in order to make your argument. Quote me and prove my words wrong. Otherwise, I can only assume you cannot or you accept them. Every system that is not voluntary is not Capitalism but rather variations of Socialism or Communism or Totalitarian or something else. What is involuntary cannot also be voluntary. You can't blame the results of force on Liberty with me. I'm not nearly stupid enough to buy that nonsense.
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Helghastl33t "full of hot air" is not an argument. Yes, you've been successful at enslaving others against their will into providing your needs. You should be proud. I guess.
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Helghastl33t "you guys". I defend no one. I am for Liberty. You go on waving your anon flag.
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Helghastl33t I am against objectors to Liberty wherever they exist for the same reason I am against child molestation wherever it exists. There is no such thing as free education. How is it paid for?
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zaxx19 I didn't say that. You didn't answer my question.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Mexico, Socialist Revolutionaries. Of course it's poor. 71 years, the party is called PRI. Of course. Non free people do not produce as well as free people. They live poor, they work essentially as slaves. Here is the Wiki page :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutional_Revolutionary_Party
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DAVID VAN VEEN Yes, socialists are racketeers who enslave their populations. The eat steak and lobster on the backs of the working class.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Mostly they are in prison as a result of the immoral drug war. I oppose the drug war.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Get the facts correct. Slavery was not made in the United States. The despicable practice was imported to these shores by the British, French and with help of Africans. It was brought to the new world many decades before it was America. The infection, the despicable poison was stamped out here in less time probably than any other place on the planet ever. In fact, the British tolerated slavery for hundreds of years through their occupation of India. The civil war was a fight against "Democrats". The entire southern armies were "Southern Democrats". Nobody alive today was a slave in America and nobody alive today held a slave. Nor any fathers or grand fathers or great grand fathers. It's despicable. And, it's returned through socialist values. It's back and we are all slaves now. I am no more responsible for slavery than Jessie Jackson or Mickey Mouse. Additionally, slavery was a horribly inefficient means of production. When you imply that anything was accomplished of value through slavery, you indirectly lend credence to the despicable practice. I refute all suggestions that slavery built anything but evil. The only goods are those made and obtained through voluntary means. No exceptions.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Is this your creed? To wish for others to be born into poor conditions?
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Tahuan Tinsuyo I did not use this term "vulgar". I am for Liberty. I am for voluntary interactions between people. It is those who claim a right to control or choose for other peaceful people who are our societies least recognized and perhaps most destructive predators.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo I cannot speak for others. I can only speak for me. Are you for Liberty without reservation? I am for Liberty.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo I never made any such claim. Are we secure in our personal effects and papers? Hell no. What slave is?
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DAVID VAN VEEN Wow, 2 or 3 rate a whole fan club. ;-) Do you listen to him regularly? I do not. But, I understand how threatened you might be by a man flaunting Liberty. I mean to offend every Objector to Liberty. I am for Liberty. I see the inventive hero's of Cuba as Liberty fighters. Fighting to make something more out of nothing regardless of the collectives desire to maintain equality of poverty. Go Makers!
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DAVID VAN VEEN I am for complete voluntary exchange between people. Without regulation from any wise overlords. You are quite stupid if I have to keep reminding you of this.
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DAVID VAN VEEN Bruce Lee was very cool. I'm a fan. Come and get me big boy. Tollerate indeed. The only proper response from you is "thank you". ;-
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Most dens of socialist ideology are. It's a blue down. Of course.
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thomastidewater Only Socialists have enough disdain for human life and moral capacity to describe the Castro's firing lines as "Cuba exports Life!". How compliant and ready for the firing line you have become. My criticism is aimed at the philosophy that some people have a right to control others, not the the people who are victims of Socialist slavery to the benefit of the ruling class.
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Tahuan Tinsuyo Nothing is free. They us the threat of force to take from their citizen slaves to pay for everything. The doctors work for a pittance. The teachers, they are not free to work for whom they please. It's all the results of slavery and you call it free. The left defending slavery. They can't help themselves. They go on and on trying to establish slave control over every person on the entire planet.
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