Comments by "dixon pinfold" (@dixonpinfold2582) on "FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul"
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@sirdrake1177 I certainly don't think they chose to kill him. I think they were determined to pin him to the ground till he calmed down and became compliant. I think they probably thought when he went silent and stopped moving that he had passed out or fainted from exhaustion or panic. I also think they could have done all the same things on a hundred other occasions and the suspect would be all right and not even pass out, or if passed out would come to a minute or so later.
When he stopped moving and talking, they should have stopped restraining him except for his legs, turned him over, and checked his vitals. They did check his pulse and call an ambulance, but in those three final minutes before it arrived they should have checked whether he needed reviving or had instead fainted, and attempted to revive him if needed, instead of maintaining all their restraints.
Maybe they just thought it seemed obvious that he was strong and vigorous, and thought that their restraints were pretty safe since they learned them in training, so they never suspected his heart had stopped, just that his pulse was not easy to find.
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@sirdrake1177 The autopsies didn't show signs of asphyxiation, they fully concluded that he was asphyxiated. But you clearly don't know what that is. It is the failure of oxygen to be delivered to the tissues, period.
It does not have to be from choking, blockage or compression of the airway, strangling, suffocation or anything like that. For example, committing suicide by sitting in an idling car in a closed garage is classified as asphyxiation, even though the victim can breathe freely the whole time. Carbon monoxide destroys the blood's capacity to carry oxygen, so the definition of asphyxiation is met.
Likewise, pressing firmly enough on neck arteries prevents blood from reaching the brain, so it shuts down and therefore stops sending the nerve signals to the heart which are needed constantly to cause it to beat, and to the chest to cause breathing. That, too, is asphyxiation even though breathing and the airway are unaffected the whole while.
But make no mistake, according to the autopsies, he could breathe until the moment of death. Notice from the video that he complained loudly that he couldn't breathe well before he was pressed on the ground, when they were simply trying to shove him in the car. He was, in my view, clearly high, having a panic attack, and not in his right mind.
deliriously, maybe it was just meant to have an impact on the officers, or maybe
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Correct. He could breathe.
But consider the autopsy findings: One, he died of heart failure.
Two, his heart failure was caused by asphyxiation.
(And asphyxiation is not necessarily choking --- it is simply a failure, from any cause, of oxygen to reach the tissues. Carbon monoxide poisoning deaths in garages are asphyxiation deaths too, even though the victim can breathe with perfect freedom the whole time, simply by virtue of the fact CO deprives the blood of its capacity to carry oxygen. Technically, a death from a slit throat is an asphyxiation death, too, because oxygen stops being delivered to the brain. Now you know what asphyxiation is all about.)
Three, the asphyxiated tissue in question was the brain. When a brain does not receive oxygenated blood it shuts down. When the brain shuts down, it stops sending the nerve signal that makes the heart beat.
Four, the cause of the asphyxiated brain tissue was pressure on the arteries of the neck.
So according to the autopsy, breathing or not breathing did not enter into it. Pressure on his neck arteries killed him.
Drugs and heart disease were listed, I believe, as possible contributing factors, but you might as well check that yourself (don't quote me).
You made an important point, though, and I hope my reply was a little bit useful for understanding what happened.
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