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  1. Madrimov schooled Bud.
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  2. I'm counting punches landed. So far, after 2 rounds I have Madrimov ahead 2-0.
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  3. Playing chess isn't helpful, he was supposed to be fighting.
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  4. You don't know what you're watching. He sticks his tongue out after getting hit with a good shot.
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  5.  @Lawrencewillbedone  Bud lost the fight, you're too biased.
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  6.  @mr.brightside6576  The real world.
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  7.  @Chris.A.H  Nobody trusts Compubox, they're wrong all the time. They count in real time at 'regular speed', I count in .25 slow motion, replaying a punch several times before being certain if it landed or not. Also, do you count power punches the same as a jab? Power shots should get more credit. I think that everyone agrees with that. Madrimov landed 10 more power punches in the fight than Bud. If you like to use compubox, then Madrimov has the edge due to landing more power punches overall. In the 2nd,3rd and 4th rounds, they each landed more power punches in 1 round and the 3rd was tied. Bud only landed one more punch in each of those 3 rounds but with respect to PP, they're tied in those 3 rounds.
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  8.  @Chris.A.H  I had Madrimov winning the first 5 rounds. He landed more in each of those rounds, I counted punches.
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  9. Show me a few times that Bud landed 3 punches.
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  10.  @toxict9422  English please.
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  11. Lot of disagreement so I'm watching it again in slow motion. If you had Bud winning the 1st round, you got it wrong. Bud Landed 1 jab, that's it. Madrimov landed 4 jabs to the body and 1 straight right hand. He wins the 1st round. 2ND round Bud landed 2 body shots, he didn't land a punch until 29:10 with about 15 seconds left in the round. Madrimov landed 2 body shots and 2 right hands, he wins the 2nd round. 2-0 for Madrimov so far.
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  12. Him.
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  13. Knuckle head.
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  14. I watched the last half of the last round, counting landed punches in .25 slow motion. I recorded each sequence; 1:08:06- Bud lands a left body, Mad lands a right counter. 1:08:12-Mad throws 2 left hooks, the 2nd lands. 1:08:14-Bud lands a right partially, misses a 2nd right- 1:08:17-Bud gets a left blocked, Mad lands a good right, Bud misses a wild right as he falls off-balance, Bud has another right blocked while Mad lands another right-1:08:25- Bud throws 5 punches, the first 2 miss, the last left hook lands, the other 2 I can't see but I gave him 1 of those 2, Mad ends the sequence by landing a right- 1:08:30- Mad lands another straight right then misses a right, Bud lands a body shot in between- 1:08:38-Bud misses an uppercut, Mad misses 2 punches, Bud misses a body shot and has his jab blocked.-1:08:48-Mad misses one punch, Bud misses 2, Mad lands a little left hook, Bud lands a hard left jab. 1:08:54-Mad lands a body shot, Bud misses 2 punches, Mad misses a punch. 1:09:03- Mad lands a glancing right, Bud lands a body shot, 1:09:05-Bud throws 3 punches, 2 are blocked, the other misses, 1:09:11- Bud throws a left hook that Mad ducks under, 1:09:14-Bud lands a right hook, 1:09:18- Mad lands a left jab, Mad misses a left and a right, Bud blocks a left hook, 1:09:24-Bud lands a glancing uppercut, Mad misses a right, 1:09:29-Mad lands a left jab and a glancing right, Bud has a jab blocked and misses his last punch, a right to the body. If you add this up, Madrimov was 14 for 25, Bud was 10 for 30. This was only the last half of the last round. I credited each guy with 2 glancing punches. This was indicative of most of the fight; Bud with more volume, Madrimov with more accuracy. I have Madrimov winning 8-4, that's giving Bud the benefit of an even round.
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  15.  @casualboxtalkwithzoo  I agree. The main difference round after round was that Madrimov was landing his right hand, then he began sneaking a left and right hook around Bud's guard. He only started throwing those hooks after 3 or 4 rounds, after Bud became very aware of the straight right. It worked well, Madrimov started landing hooks and Bud blocked very few. Bud was landing more jabs and body shots, losing some rounds because power shots score higher than jabs. Msdrimov is a wizard on defense. He's constantly moving and switching up the movements. He ducked under numerous punches, moved his head up and down, in and out. He must have caught 100 punches or more on his gloves. Thanks for the response.
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  16. Tell me which 9 rounds Crawford won.
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  17.  @saihemebillings2820  Bud landed 3 punches in a combination in every round after the 5th, is that what you're saying. Why don't we literally bet on that?
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  18.  @Hieiman  I don't think Bud's punches were too fast to see, I watched every round in .25 slow motion. I don't know if you did the same, but otherwise it was you that couldn't see the fast punches of Madrimov land. I'm a fan of both guys so I have no prejudice. Madrimov was controlling the fight, he was great on defense, blocking and ducking under punches very well. I turned off the volume so as not to be influenced by commentary. Slow motion without commentary is the purest way to watch and assess a fight. I didn't score the fight based upon watching casually, I counted every single punch, including replaying a punch 2 or 3 times if necessary to be as accurate as possible. I went thru a lot of time and effort to get it right. I believe that my punch count totals are as accurate as possible. You have your opinion, I based my score on punches landed and without prejudice. The punches landed totals from each round so far; 1st round, Bud landed 3 jabs- Madrimov landed 4 jabs and 1 power shot,.....Madrimov wins round 1. 2nd round, Bud landed 3 jabs- Madrimov landed 3 jabs and 3 power punches,.... Madrimov wins round 2. Round 3, Bud landed 5 jabs and 1 power punch- Madrimov landed 6 jabs and one power punch, ........Madrimov wins round 3. 4th round, Bud landed 5 jabs and 1 power punch- Madrimov landed 8 jabs and 5 power punches, ...Madrimov wins round 4. 5th round, Bud landed 4 jabs and 1 power punch- Madrimov landed 2 jabs and 6 power punches,....Madrimov wins the 5th round. 5-0 so far for Madrimov. That's as far as I've counted so far; I'll return after reviewing the remaining 7 rounds............................. 6th round assessment; Bud landed 6 jabs and 2 power punch-Madrimov landed 2 jabs and 5 power punches. Bud landed more punches overall 8-7, but since Madrimov landed 5 power shots versus 2 power shots by Bud, I give the round to Madrimov. I have it 6-0 for Madrimov half-way thru the fight. If my score is accurate, Madrimov has already secured a draw after 6 rounds. Since he's the champion coming into the fight, there's no way that Bud won this fight.
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  19. The ignorant commentator said that Cruz threw 5 punches and all of them missed. You be the judge, watch at 40:25 to 40:32. Watch in slow motion if you can. I see 3 punches landing out of 5 . Commentators can screw up a good fight.
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  20. You must be a kid. Madrimov won the fight.
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  21. Biased commentators as usual. Cruz beat his ass all of the 11th round. The commentators didn't acknowledge any of his punches, asking if Cruz stole the round at the end. They're so full of shit, Cruz was landing hard shots the entire round. I guess they think if they don't call his punches then they didn't land. Cruz won the 1st 5 rounds, he won the 8th and the 11th. The commentators sold all of you a bag of shit and you ate it up. Cruz was landing 10 or 15 hard body shots every round, hard hooks to the head over and over. Valenzuela was tapping Cruz with jabs, most of them short or blocked. The commentator was calling Valenzuela the winner in the 4th round, that's how you know the fight was rigged. They didn't fool me with their crap, I saw Cruz landing harder shots and more shots. Valenzuela was using his off hand illegally all night, holding Cruz back and tapping him with a jab that meant nothing. Cruz was knocking him all over the ring.
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  22.  @Andrewthe22  I agree on all 3 fights. Thanks bud.
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  23. Andre Ward is far too biased. In the 6th round he claimed that Madrimov wasn't 'bringing much' that was different from what Bud had seen in the past. He said 'other than the movement', Madrimov isn't doing much different than other fighters Bud has faced. 'Other than the movement'? A blind man can see that Madrimov's movement is unique to all other fighters. His movement carried the fight. The other commentator had it right, throughout the first 5 rounds he said over and over that Madrimov's movement was causing Bud a lot of problems. Anyone watching knows that Madrimov's style has never been seen before inside the ring, and it was causing Bud a lot of problems.
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  24. Amen, I agree.
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  25. Madrimov landed more power shots, he won the fight.
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  26. In which round did that happen?
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  27.  @ThomasBestonso-zr4ko  I like Bud also but he was losing to Shawn Porter going into the 11th round. If he had some trouble with Porter, how can he handle Canelo?
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  28.  @Illustrator-dq3nv  With Porter? Bud was in his corner after the 9th round. He was talking to someone that was in the ring. They couldn't hear each other but Bud was asking if he was ahead. You could see Bud ask, 'I'm up'? The man told him no. Bud asked again, 'he up'? Then he asked a 3rd time, ' he up'? I saw him tell his cornermen, 'he up', meaning that Porter was up, according to whoever Bud was getting that information from. I just looked at the scorecards and 2 judges had it even at 76-76 but that was after the 8th. The 3rd judge had Bud ahead by 2, 77-75 after the 8th. After the 9th, 2 judges had Bud up by one point, 86-85, the 3rd judge had Bud ahead by 3 points after the 9th, 87-84. That means that the official cards had Bud ahead after the 9th but someone told Bud that Porter was up on the cards. Whoever told him that he was behind after the 9th was wrong, but he was only ahead by one point on 2 cards. At that point it still could have gone either way, but the stoppage took care of that. If Shawn had continued after the 2 knockdowns he would have been behind by 3 points on 2 cards and 5 points on the 3rd card, needing a KO to win. The point I was trying to make is that the fight was very close at the end of the 9th. It was tied on 2 cards after the 8th. I was comparing Bud having a difficult fight with Porter thru 9 rounds, and how much better is Canelo than Porter? You're right that Bud was ahead after the 9th, I was misled just like Crawford was.
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  29.  @commodoor6549  I haven't seen Ortiz vs Madrimov. Did Ortiz win easily? What round did he hurt Madrimov, do you remember?
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  30.  @Illustrator-dq3nv  Yes I watched it. You're right, it was the 10th round, not the 11th. I checked and Bud was ahead going into that round, but it was close. I wasn't lying, I got the information from Bud himself. Watch Bud in his corner after the 9th round. He began talking to someone on the other side of the ring. Bud asked him several times., who's up? Then Bud said, he up? He said that 2 or 3 times because he couldn't believe that the guy was saying that Shawn was ahead. I don't know who the guy was, but he got it wrong and misled Bud and me as well.
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  31.  @rodhipps6378  I can't believe they're going to fight, it seems unrealistic. Canelo seems too big, he can take anyone's punches and he has far more power than Bud. Canelo isn't as slow as you might think either. Canelo's last stoppage was in 2022 when he stopped Caleb Plant, that was 7 fights ago. I think Khan was ahead on points when the ko happened in their fight. I also think Canelo lost to Erislandy Lara and at least twice to GGG. I was very critical of Canelo regarding most of his fights until he fought Trout. Every guy he fought before that looked smaller than he was. Since the fight with Trout however, I think he's stepped it up against worthy opponents for the most part. Only Khan was at a big disadvantage in his last 25 fights roughly. He fought Trout, Lara, Daniel Jacobs, Bivol, Kovalev, 3 fights with GGG ( although he waited until GGG was past his best ), Rider, Munguia, Plant, Saunders, Kirkland, Angulo, Chavez jr and so on. I can't believe he fought Josesito Lopez, Tyner, Mosley, Lovemore N'dou, Baldomir, Matthew Hatton and even Cotto was smaller than Canelo. Not only were they smaller but they weren't exactly top shelf when he fought them. Ndou had lost 2 of his last 4 coming into the fight with Canelo, Baldomir 3 of his last 5, Kermit Cintron 2 of his last 3, Tyner lost 2 of his last 4, Shane Mosely was 0-2-1 in his last 3 before Canelo, Cotto was at the end of his career and finished 4-4 in his last 8 fights and Lopez was 1-1 in his last 2 fights. Fighting smaller guys that hadn't been winning much wasn't right IMO.
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  32.  @rodhipps6378  I'm not a big Canelo fan.
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  33.  @Illustrator-dq3nv  I don't think so. Bradley wouldn't lie at a crucial point in a fight. What if Bud believed him and Bud did something that ultimately cost him the fight? Bradley wouldn't put himself in that position, I think that Tim just made a mistake regarding the score cards. Why would Bradley feel the need to motivate Bud to begin with?
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  34.  @Illustrator-dq3nv  Nobody goes into a fight toying with anyone. Porter was doing well for 8 or 9 rounds. Bud got the job done, but toying with any fighter would have cost him some fights.
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  35.  @Illustrator-dq3nv  Spence was all beat up by the 8th.
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  36. Bud gave away the first 2 rounds.
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  37. If the commentators would shut up for a minute, they would see that Cruz was beating the hell out of Valenzuela. They flat out lied many times about punches that didn't land. Cruz must have landed 100 hard body shots but they barely mentioned them. Clearly they had an agenda.
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  38. Neither guy earned 50 cents.
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  39.  @kfjaekljsdflkdja  Madrimov won, you guys have no idea what you're watching.
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  40.  @robertmuhammad8842  I'm not biased, I think that Bud is among the best fighters in this era. He lost this fight however.
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  41.  @TheBookOfSammy  Too many decisions have been controversial. As a result, out of frustration I began to score my own fights. I use punches landed as the only criteria, save for the details re: the landed punches. I give one full point for a power shot to the head, and 1/2 point for a jab or a body punch. Also, I don't count illegal punches. I watch in .25 slow motion with the commentary turned off. Many punches are difficult to see, I have to replay some of them 3 or 4 times in slow motion before I can be sure. If I can't be sure of a given punch, I don't count it. I scored the fight this way; Rd#1- Madrimov landed 4 jabs to the body, 1 jab to the head and 1 straight right hand. Bud landed a single jab only. Madrimov wins the 1st round. 2nd round- Madrimov landed 2 right hands and 2 jabs to the body. Bud landed 2 jabs in the round. Madrimov wins the 2nd round. Round#3- Bud landed 9 punches, all were jabs. Madrimov landed 6 punches, 4 jabs and 2 right hands. The 2 right hands by Madrimov score a full point each but Madrimov still fell short. Bud wins round #3...Rd#4-Madrimov landed 9 punches, 5 of which were power shots to the head, the other 4 were jabs. Bud landed 4 punches, 2 power punches and 2 jabs. Madrimov wins round #4,..........he leads 3-1 after 4 rounds. Round #5-Madrimov landed 10 punches, 6 power punches and 4 jabs. Bud landed 4 jabs in the round. Madrimov wins the 5th round....Round#6-Bud landed 9 punches to only 4 by Madrimov, Bud wins the 6th round. Round#7-Madrimov landed 7 punches, 5 of them were power punches. Bud landed 9 punches, 2 power punches and 7 jabs. Both get 6 points for the round, this was the most difficult round to call. Since Bud landed 2 more punches, I gave him the 7th round. 4-3 in favor of Madrimov after 7 rounds. The 8th round- Bud landed 7 punches, Madrimov landed 15. Madrimov wins the 8th round....Round#9-Bud landed 8 punches, 3 were power punches, the other 5 were jabs. Madrimov landed 7 punches, 6 were power shots to the head, the other was a jab. Despite that Bud landed more punches 8 to 7, I gave Madrimov the round because he landed 6 power punches to only 3 power punches for Bud. The way that I score Bud gets 5 1/2 points and Madrimov gets 6 1/2 points for the 9th round. 6 rounds to 3 in favor of Madrimov after 9 rounds. The 10th round- Madrimov landed 10 punches, 7 power punches and 3 jabs, giving him 8 1/2 points for the round. Bud landed 9 punches, 2 power punches and 7 jabs, giving him 5 1/2 points. Madrimov wins the 10th round. The 11th round- Bud had a very good round, he wins the 11th round. The 12th round- Bud landed 27 punches, Madrimov landed 21. This was another difficult round to score. Madrimov, like in the other rounds, landed more power punches than Bud landed. Since Bud landed his highest number of punches, 6 more than Madrimov, I gave Bud the last round. That makes my final score 7-5, or 115-113 in favor of Madrimov.
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  42. Shaun had it 6-1 for Bud after 7 rounds. I had it 4-3 favor of Madrimov after 7 rounds. Nobody on Earth had Bud ahead 6-1 except Shawn.
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  43. @Cyinthx Landing more punches is a stupid criteria? What do you score based on, the ring walk?
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  44. @Cyinthx Okay Cynthia.
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  45. @Cyinthx Whatever you say Cynthia.
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  46.  @itzsimple7640  He landed a few but Madrimov was landing a clean right hand all night.
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  47. I have Cruz winning the fight. The bias from the commentators doesn't impress me. I had him winning the first 3 rounds, ahead 4-2 after 6 and they split the last 3, giving Cruz a 7-5 advantage.
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  48. Who is us? You're full of shit cry baby.
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  49.  @mr.brightside6576  The championship rounds are just 2 rounds, they score the same as any other round. Madrimov won more rounds and he won the fight IMO.
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  50. @Cyinthx I think that your judgement is awful. I score my own fights and I count punches in slow motion. I got tired of compubox getting it wrong and judges cheating because of an agenda. I know I can trust myself and counting punches in slow motion with the commentary turned off is the best way to get it right, or as close to right as possible. If you count punches in the way that I count them, then you have an argument. Otherwise, you're just guessing and using bias.
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  51.  @mr.brightside6576  I use my own 'main basis'.
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  52.  @mr.brightside6576  I knew how to judge a fight before you knew how to wipe your ass junior. Keep your disrespect in your pocket chump.
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  53. Bud looked good and in control in 1 or 2 of the later rounds but overall, he was mesmerized by Madrimov's movement and he kept eating that straight right hand. In one instance Israel landed 3 rights in a 10 second sequence, Bud still couldn't react to stop it.
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  54. Yes but he adjusted too late. He didn't do much of anything until the 6th or 7th round. By then Madrimov had built a big lead. Madrimov wasn't setting the world on fire in those early rounds either, but I count punches using .25 slow motion and replay if necessary, and Madrimov landed more punches in each of the first 6 rounds.
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  55.  @HolyMackerel490  On my card he was, I go by punches landed and he landed more. Others gave Bud some early rounds I'm sure, but most judge by general impression and many are biased. I've never heard of Madrimov and I think that Bud is a great fighter. If he lands less punches, I have to use that to score a round.
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  56.  @commodoor6549  You said that I was delusional. Now you're saying having an opinion doesn't make it delusional.
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  57.  @paulchandler9060  Madrimov landed more than an occasional right hand, I counted 12 right hands in the first 4 rounds. Bud only landed both punches in a combination a few times the entire fight.
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  58.  @slimtruckinghunnit5207  Thank you. I had it 8-4, or 7-5 if I give Bud a sympathy round. Madrimov was great on defense and he landed that straight right over and over again.
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  59. Shawn Porter had Bud ahead 5-1 after 6 rounds, even though Madrimov had landed one more punch overall. Not only that but Madrimov landed more power punches than Bud throughout the fight. Power punches score higher than non-power punches so how can Shawn justify Madrimov landing more but losing 5-1? It shows that Shawn is very wrong about the rounds.
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  60. The commentator said that Bud was having a great 11th round. The other guy said it was the first round that he saw Bud take over. They made those comments after they said that Bud landed a big uppercut at 1:04:59 and a 3 punch combination at 1:05:20. The uppercut was blocked and only one of the 3 punch combination landed. Watching in slow motion makes all the difference, at regular speed it's nearly impossible to see if the punches are landing. Madrimov landed more in the 11th round 9-7, including 5 right hands. He won the 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th rounds. Bud won the 12th round, landing 23 to 18 for Madrimov. He also won 2 of the middle rounds but Madrimov won 4 of the first 5 rounds. Madrimov 8-4.
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  61. I'm sorry but Madrimov won the fight. In the last 2 rounds I heard that Bud came on strong and he did, but Madrimov came on even stronger. He must have landed 10 power shots in the last round. I had him winning 8-4.
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  62. Ward was biased for Madrimov?
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  63.  @malarki5  They seemed bias because Madrimov was winning the fight.
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  64. You've got Bud landing a few punches at 29:10 but he only threw 2 punches at that time. He landed a jab to the belly and missed a right over Madrimov's head. You gave Bud that round, he landed a total of 3 jabs in the round, that's it. Madrimov landed 3 straight rights and 3 body shots, how did Bud win the round?
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  65. I see how some people claim that Bud won. You said at the beginning of the 3rd round Bud started with a good combo left hook, straight right, then another left hook at 30:48. None of those punches landed. When the round began Bud faked a left, threw it half-way and pulled it back, then threw a right hook that was short and never reached Madrimov. Is that the good combo you're talking about? At 30:48 Bud throws 3 punches, the first is blocked, the next 2 both miss. This is how some of you guys have Bud winning, you're counting punches that didn't land. Watch in slow motion, it's the only way to see what's going on.
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  66. So far everything I've checked you were wrong about. At 34:43 you say Bud landed a straight 1-2. He threw a left that Madrimov blocked with his forearm and knocked it down, then Bud throws a right that's short by 6 inches. Neither punch came close to landing, this is how Bud won by some opinions, with punches that didn't land. This is the 4th or 5th check I've made and you were wrong every time.
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  67.  @BRoman0017  I'm one of a very few that watches a replay in .25 slow motion. Even then some punches are difficult to see clearly. I turn the volume off and have no bias. I don't know what you're referring to when you say 'simply tagging the target area and throwing effective combos'. How can a combo be effective if the punches don't land? That's the reason I watch in slow motion. I want to know who really landed the most punches, so I count every punch from each guy the entire fight. Sometimes I replay in slow motion 3 or 4 times before I can verify if a given punch landed or not. It sounds like you're saying the judges give credit for punches and combo's as long as it 'looks like' the punches may have landed. I'm more serious than that, I want to know the truth. After most fights there's a lot of debate about who really won a fight, the only way to know for sure is to count punches in slow motion. That's still not a perfect method but it's as close as I can get. I try to be fair, give a full point for power shots and a half point for jabs. Low punches, kidney shots and such get no points. At the end, I'm satisfied that I know the truth. Those watching at regular speed and not paying close attention are only guessing, usually arguing in favor of the fighter they like. That's fine with me, but I don't want to waste my time debating unless I know what I'm talking about. Boxing is corrupt so I stopped listening to the judges. I keep my own score and my own record for fighters. If most agree that the judges stole a given fight, then why should we acknowledge it?
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  68.  @Uncle_O_973  The Spence fight was easily Bud's best effort. He lost this fight.
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  69.  @Uncle_O_973  Better than the Spence fight? Nonsense.
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  70. The things that we know: Bud couldn't hurt Madrimov, it's unlikely he can hurt Canelo. Judges have shown bias for Canelo in all of his big fights. They had Canelo beating Erislandy Lara, one judge gave Lara only 2 rounds. I think Lara won the fight. They had Bivol winning the fight by one round on all cards. I had Bivol winning 9 rounds. One judge had Canelo in a tie at 114-114 against Mayweather, most saw a wider margin. I'm trying to say, the fight will almost certainly go the distance. Bud should expect that he has to win 8-9 rounds if he wants to get the decision. I think Bud lost to Madrimov, the feints had him confused and he never really got comfortable. I think Bud will look better against Canelo, despite that Canelo is bigger and better than Madrimov. What will make the difference? The feints. Bud will feel like a new man against Canelo because he won't have to deal with those feints. He can go out and fight his fight. I think the fight will be close. If Bud stands and fights he might get a fair shake from the judges. If they think he's running too much, they won't give him the fight. Lara boxed Canelo's ears off, you couldn't perform much better as a boxer than Lara did that night. He still lost. If Bud can't box better than Lara did, and he can't hurt Canelo, then how does he win?
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  71. If you don't mention which rounds you had Bud winning than you wasted your time saying he won easily.
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  72.  @twintopper8659  Judges are as dependable as a 1976 Yugo.
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  73. 40:25 to 40:32 Cruz threw 5 punches. The commentator said he missed all 5 of them. I saw him land 3 of the 5. A hard jab to the face at 40:25, a body shot and a sweeping right that got behind Valenzuela's glove. He missed the last 2 punches.
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  74.  @Roxynoz  Go back and take a look, don't be afraid. I wear 1.50 reading glasses by the way, Walgreens has some decent ones.
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  75.  @Roxynoz  Confirmation bias your ass junior. I say he landed 3 of those 5 punches, you say he landed none. How about we bet $100.00? We'll ask someone who can watch in slow motion, they will say who is right.
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  76.  @Roxynoz  Really? watch the replay at 41:44 from a different angle. Same jab. Smashed his face.
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  77. Good fighters often make the worst analysts, Shawn is proof of that.
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  78. Some of the students I went to school with were dumber than dirt.
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  79. He was landing at nearly 40%, you don't have to throw as many if you're landing at a higher percentage.
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  80.  @Chris.A.H  My punch count is the actual punch count.
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  81.  @Chris.A.H  I agree that power punches score higher than jabs, but Madrimov landed 10 more power punches than Bud. As far as the other categories, that's a bunch of crap. If I'm wrong, tell me how to formulate the winner of a round when mixing all of those variables into one conclusion. It can't be done, unless you want endless arguments on each and every factor in each and every round. Even then, argument or not, how do you compute, for example, one guy landing a few more punches, the other guy landing a couple more power shots, one guy having better defense, the other better ring generalship and one of them having better effective aggression? It's absurd, which official judge or amateur, can accurately assess all of those variables and score that round on his card in real time within one minute between rounds? Those other categories aren't needed, whoever goes by that and came up with it to begin with, is/are idiots. Here's why I say that; if one guy has better defense, how does that manifest itself? Better defense should mean getting hit less. That's already baked into the cake under the punches landed category. The same with effective aggression, that should result in landing more punches, ring generalship should also show up in landing more than the opponent. If those factors don't result in punches landed, then what good are they? It's the same as counting punches twice because each category shows itself in how many punches were landed by each fighter. Let's say one guy lands 20 punches, 10 are power punches, in a given round. The other guy lands 14 punches, 7 are power shots. But, a judge says that the guy that landed less punches had better defense, effective aggression and ring generalship. Who wins the round? Which category out of those 3 extra categories carries more weight? How about one guy judged to have won 2 of those 3 categories but the other guy lands a few more punches? It's ridiculous, completely unnecessary and impossible to calculate with any consistency or satisfaction for anyone. You'd have far more arguments after the fight, no way to effectively and accurately sort out the mess. Fans come to see punches landed on the nose, that's what the bottom line is for everyone. Ever heard a fan say he's going to the fight to see better ring generalship?
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  82. Honest and accurate are 2 different things.
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  83. Shawn gave the 7th to Bud as well. Bud did almost nothing in the 7th. He landed 2 body punches and a right jab late in the round, only 2 jabs before that. Madrimov landed 5 power punches. He won the round.
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  84.  @theresearchguystl  I had it 4-1 for Madrimov after 5 rounds. Bud landed a total of 1 punch in the 1st round and 2 jabs in the 2nd round. I count punches while watching in slow motion. Bud did very little in the first half, they were roughly even in the 2nd half of the fight.
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  85.  @jg_380  How many times did Bud land 3 shots in a single exchange? You can't show him landing 3 shots, just as I already knew.
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  86.  @jg_380  I'm dumb.
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  87.  @rodhipps6378  I remember once or twice Bud landed 3 punches. The OP said when he landed 3 punches but the commentators were silent. You just proved him wrong when you said that a commentator remarked 1-2-3 about those 3 punches. He made it seem as if they never talked about Bud's punches landing but they did. Listen to Andre Ward at the end of round#1. He said that Bud landed a good combination before the bell. Both punches missed, I watched in slow motion. Commentators are wrong all of the time.
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  88.  @Chengelo736  For many it's more difficult to be honest. Nobody bothers Black people, it's the Black, White and other people that lie that makes it hard for you.
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  89.  @rodhipps6378  Poor me, if only I was born White. BOO HOO.
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  90.  @rodhipps6378  No, that was one of one time, and he was wrong,. Only one of those punches landed. You exposed the problem. A punch lands if the commentator says so, and if he's talking about your favorite guy. If he's talking about the other guy, then he's biased and a hater. Any mirrors in your house? Ever look into it?
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  91.  @rodhipps6378  Commentators rarely get it right. If he did land 3 in a combination in the 11th, that's not the same as every round after the 5th.
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  92. Watching in .25 slow motion and it's still difficult to see every punch. Madrimov is boxing a masterpiece so far. He's landed more punches in each round than Bud is landing, I have Madrimov ahead 5-0 after 5 rounds. He's blocking punches and ducking under Bud's shots like a magician, consistently landing his own right hand. He's mixing it up well also, going to the body with a jab early, then jabbing to the head in the last 2 rounds. He throws a very short right hand at times that's too quick to be blocked, then he switched to throwing uppercuts and hooks around Bud's defense. Bud is tentative so far; he won't throw his jab much because he fears the right-hand counter that's been landing often. Watch the last 30 seconds of the 5th round, it gives you an idea of how Madrimov is winning. He lands 3 straight rights to the head, an uppercut and 2 body shots, while Bud lands 2 jabs in that sequence. Since Madrimov is the champion, if my score of 5-0 in his favor is accurate, then with 7 rounds to go it's hard to imagine how Bud took the title. I know that Bud got going later so let's see what happens.
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  93.  @CeasarMillado  You're in denial if you think that watching at regular speed is more accurate than watching in .25 slow motion and using replays if necessary.
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  94. Andre Ward and Shawn were biased for Bud.
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  95.  @shazeekbeauford3537  Show me one 4/5 punch combo from Bud in the entire fight. You kids are full of crap.
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  96. Yes, Madrimov won.
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  97.  @choccolocco  Unlike you and some others, I have no bias. I never heard of Madrimov before this fight. I watch the fight in .25 slow motion with the commentary turned off. I score the fight based on punches landed. Madrimov landed more punches in 5 of the first 6 rounds. Bud had a hard time adjusting to Madrimov's unusual style. You can't watch casually and determine who won with any accuracy. I count punches using slow motion. Who is more likely to score it properly?
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  98.  @choccolocco  Why did you search for my comments? It seems that my opinion bothers you, maybe you're not aware that there are differing opinions about most things. You said Bud clearly won those rounds, you also said I'm a liar. You claim that commenting in more than one blog means that I'm biased. That's some back alley logic you're using. I said I first heard of Madrimov when I heard about this fight. I'll bet a lot of people never heard of Madrimov prior to this exposure. You doubt the honesty of people because you're dishonest yourself. Those that are honest don't have dishonesty in their heart or mind, therefore they don't automatically believe that everyone's a liar. When you call someone a liar, you should have evidence or proof. Your evidence is your opinion about the fight. That means squat. I gave evidence, counting punches in slow motion. If counting landed punches and using slow motion with the sound muted isn't an effective and fair way to judge a fight, then what is? Smoking a joint and using bias is hardly evidence. Give some facts like I did, if you have any. Otherwise admit that you're taking a wild guess. Where are your facts that substantiate the claim that Bud won?
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  99.  @paulchandler9060  Master the language before offering an opinion. You're embarrassing yourself.
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  100.  @choccolocco  The number of punches landed are all that count. Maybe you give points for the ring walk and the style of their boxing shorts, but people come to see punches land. The other things often mentioned all factor into the bottom line, the bottom line is how many punches each guy landed and what kind of punches were landed. Nobody can effectively score if you try to score each round using 4 categories. Better defense equals less punches landed by the opponent. Ring generalship puts you in better position to land punches. Effective aggression is the definition of punches landed. All of those things are meant to help land more punches or to prevent the opponent from landing punches. Trying to assign points to generic categories would drive anyone crazy. Landing punches is the bottom line, that's all that matters, making scoring complicated makes it easier to steal a fight. I don't play that, I don't care which method others use, I use common sense and counting punches that land is the only thing that matters.
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  101.  @blxkqtysgojh1094  I watched in .25 slow motion, still had to replay some punches 2 or 3 times. The last 2 rounds were difficult to score, too many punches were blocked from view by the body of one guy or the other. I had Madrimov winning the 11th, Bud winning the 12th. Bud landed 8 punches to only 6 for Madrimov in the 11th, but Madrimov landed 5 power shots and Bud landed only one power punch, the other 7 were jabs. I score a full point for a power shot, a half point for a jab or body punch. Bud landed 12 punches in the 12th to 8 for Madrimov. Bud landed 7 power punches to only 4 for Madrimov in the 12th.
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  102.  @shortmasters1  Madrimov landed more power shots and they count for more than jabs.
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  103.  @youngk596  He must have landed 30 to 40 straight right hands, and a bunch of left and right hooks around Bud's guard. Nobody has had such success against Crawford. It wasn't so much about volume, accuracy was the difference.
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  104. Timing beats speed.
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  105.  @mr.brightside6576  What do you suppose I was counting, punches that missed and/or were ineffective?
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  106. Started too late? I had Madrimov ahead 5-0 after 5 rounds. Bud was confused, couldn't let his hands go. Madrimov kept landing that straight right, clean shots over and over.
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  107.  @mr.brightside6576  Landing more punches doesn't mean you win the round? That's all that matters, punching the guy in the face is the name of the game. I counted every punch in .25 slow motion with the commentary turned off. Even then many times I had to replay a punch 3 or 4 times to be certain if it landed or not. Watching at regular speed while listening to biased commentary gives you a zero percent chance of knowing who landed more and therefore, who won the fight. The only way to know who wins a given round, especially a close round, is to pay attention, count punches and leave your bias at home. You're guessing and biased, therefore your opinion is worthless. I like to know who really won the fight, so I take the time to count punches. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but it's only an opinion.
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  108.  @jdotman09  I agree completely. I think Bud has some chance against Canelo but it might come down to the judges. I don't see a KO, how about you?
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  109.  @dwighthawkins3444  Madrimov would beat the hell out of all 3 of them in one night.
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  110.  @dwighthawkins3444  Bud didn't hurt Madrimov once, how's he going to trade with Canelo?
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  111.  @micaha.mooreii8670  He was confused with Madrimov's style. Nobody fights like Madrimov, it takes time trying to adapt.
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  112.  @jasongreen7860  That thinking relates to a very close fight in which either could have won. A fight scored 6-6 for example, might be given to the champion because they reason that the challenger didn't 'take' the title from him. An even fight doesn't equal 'taking' the belt. However, it shouldn't apply if one guy has won more rounds, it's just a way of giving the champ the benefit of doubt in a nip and tuck kind of fight. I'm not saying I agree, that's just how I interpret the intent.
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  113.  @mr.brightside6576  I knew more about boxing than you know before you were born. I didn't explain the details of how I score because everyone complains if I explain things in a long response. Don't imagine that you know more than I know, I know what I'm doing.
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  114.  @johnniebucketz  Who won the first 2 rounds?
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  115.  @Jafithagreat  Maybe you can point out all of the 3 piece combinations that Bud landed.
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  116.  @mr.brightside6576  The first fight I listened to was Sonny Liston vs Cassius Clay, decades before you were born junior.
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  117.  @Jafithagreat  I watched it in .25 slow motion with the sound turned off. You watched it with bias and emotions apparently.
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  118. Which rounds did you give to Madrimov?
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  119.  @cotman4  Yes, and you showcased your knowledge and it's not very good.
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  120.  @Thatsong-fr9nq  He didn't neutralize that straight right hand.
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  121.  @mr.brightside6576  You're a strange person. If anyone said they counted punches, only you would think I counted the punches that didn't land cleanly. I know that you're just a kid but it's time to get a clue.
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  122.  @sohanetwork3886  You claim Madrimov started late? Bud did nothing the first 6 rounds, was landing a few punches here and there. Madrimov was landing most of his and blocking most of Bud's.
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  123.  @micaha.mooreii8670  It looks like he didn't try his hardest because Madrimov had him confused with his movement.
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  124.  @adrianmitchell9819  Which 2 rounds did you give to Madrimov?
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  125.  @johnniebucketz  Which 3 rounds?
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  126.  @dwighthawkins3444  Madrimov would beat all 3 of them.
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  127.  @dwighthawkins3444  If Bud can't hurt him he'll be in some trouble.
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  128.  @mr.brightside6576  If he landed more he wins the round dummy. A landed punch is clean effective punching.
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  129.  @mr.brightside6576  You're biased and emotional, I'm neither.
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  130.  @mr.brightside6576  About 30 years before you were born youngster.
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  131.  @chreyzor  It's unique, nobody has seen it before, it took Bud half the fight before he did anything, and it was too late by then.
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  132.  @dwighthawkins3444  Who was hitting him, the referee? I know Bud wasn't landing much.
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  133.  @isaspx1679  You're assuming I listened to 'unknown people', where did you get the idea that I listened to anyone? Andre Ward is not vulnerable to bias in favor of an American fighter, is that what you're saying? Madrimov's movement is nothing special? It's never been seen before, that alone makes it special. Madrimov was scared of Bud? That silly claim voids your opinion of the fight.
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  134. Commentators riding Valenzuela hard from the start. After 6 I have Cruz ahead 4-2. All the things they're giving Valenzuela credit for don't add up to punches landed, and so far Cruz is landing more in 4 of the first 6 rounds.
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  135.  @emelianemone777  Gamboa nearly decked Bud.
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  136.  @leekthacomedian3047  Bud never hurt Madrimov, how's he going to hurt Canelo?
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