Youtube comments of Derek Taylor (@derektaylor2941).
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Like Estonia, most accidents do not occur due to a single event, but many. Even an inch of water on the car deck won't automatically sink the ship. One inch of water on a RoRo 575 ft long, 100ft wide (about the Estonia or a Mariella class size) is about 130 tons of water. On a calm day with little movement, you'd not even notice that in the handling of the ship. Even on a violent sea, 130 tons is not going to capsize the ship- that's going to make it handle about the same as a badly loaded deck with 3 lorries on one side... With a ship weighing 37,500 tons (as with Mariella- don't know about Estonia) you won't sink from that. In any case there are drains all over the deck- named scuppers- which will either drain straight to the side or will have active pumps which switch on when detecting water.
A clearer example of multiple events leading to a RoRo sinking is MV Herald of Free Enterprise... there were so many failures that happened and if only one failure had been detected and prevented then it would never have capsized- same with Estonia, perhaps (HOFE: bow door open, bow trim tanks flooded to match the linkspan, shallow water, increased speed, turning to port... take away any one of those and accident avoided).
Re being trapped: I took part in a crew training event on Olympia (sister to Mariella, though just changed fleet) right after Estonia. When you're down on the lower decks, below water, with the power off, using torches because they even deactivated the emergency lights, with dry ice to simulate smoke and trying to get up to the top decks... that was not pleasant and that was in port and not on a ship in a storm. HTH.
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@TimHoward-l5p two of these delightful thugs in uniform seized two of my work's vans due to reports they had been stolen. Despite me attending with identification, DVLA records and a letter from my solicitor to a third party warning them about abusing official channels in their dirty war against me, the police still took them.
That was bad enough, though in fairness to them when they realised they'd been caught out, they released them. All I can say is that I will never make a formal complaint against these vile people ever again. I would advise everyone that unless you're prepared to sacrifice everything- your business, your livelihood, personal relationships, everything, that you don't take on the police for they will destroy you. They are nasty, horrible people who you should never trust. I apologise to the good coppers out there, but the other 99.9% are giving you a bad name.
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Already I disagree with BBB at 0:48. I do not think we should support UK police- and I write that as someone who used to support them fully, but not now. Let me briefly explain why you shouldn't either. Recently I was the victim of police error and was detained, my property confiscated; it was a simple error of identity on their part and had they agreed to learn the lesson from it then I would have let it drop, but they tried to cover it up. Then the abuse started. Please people, if you ever find yourself on the wrong side of these thugs- always resist arrest, keep in view of CCTV and make sure you tell someone- anyone- where you're being taken.
In my case, although not an armed-response grade incident, it was armed officers. I politely offered them documentation to prove who I was and my property was legitimately mine. It was refused and no amount of reasoning- politely- would do any good. They had their orders and they would obey them come what may, with hint of Nuremburg about it. What sort of a copper is let loose with a gun who cannot stop and think "hang on a moment, something is not right here, I think we should listen." After all, when the police murdered Jean Charles de Menezes, didn't the inquiry make the point that armed police need to stop and think? No firearms were used here but the same mentality applies.
More generally, the police have not resisted the desire from politicians to make motives into the crime. In days gone by if you, for example, beat up a black man because you don't like black people, the crime is assault or GBH and the motive for the crime is racism. That way people were all punished equally for the crime. But then when the motive became the crime itself we saw the birth of two-tier policing and if we are to believe in policing by consent then we must all be equal before the law, which we are not. If we are not all equally protected by the law why should we equally comply with it?
Policing by consent is dead in UK. Do not trust police- ever. Yes, I know there are good police officers doing a damned difficult job, but the other 99.9% give them a bad name and until they have you alone without witnesses you can never be sure whether you've got a good or a bad one- remember they all wear the same scruffy bin-man-like uniform, with no badges saying good cop or bad cop.
PS I should add that the above is Northants and not Leics police. In Northants they were led by a compulsive liar who fought at the battle of Trafalgar and singlehandedly sank the Bismarck and Belgrano.
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@unclecarl5406 if I had read your comment last year when you wrote it, I would have suspected you were lying. Now though? I believe you entirely. I had an experience where the police wrongly seized property from me (motor vehicles) based upon erroneous intelligence. Even though I proved this was a malicious lie at the time, they refused to listen to me or look at the evidence I showed them. That was bad enough. They did return the vehicles (with a vague apology) after a few hours, but I complained and that's when the lies and abuse started.
What makes this all the worse is that these were ARMED coppers, although it wasn't an armed event and they were just the nearest unit. Now think about that for a moment... armed police who go into a situation with advance warning of what to expect but when confronted by something entirely different, refuse to listen or even look at evidence. This is the same sort of mentality that saw a London Underground carriage decorated with the brains of poor Jean Charles de Menezes when the Met Police murdered him.
This incident above, whilst at the time just an unpleasant event started a chain of other events that brought my life to the point of near collapse, losing me my business, my other half and nearly lost me my house. I got very lucky on an unrelated matter and am building back up. But THANK YOU, Carl. After reading YOUR comments and those replying to you I realise that I CAN do something- not just for myself but for all the other wronged victims of these corrupt thugs in uniform. I have come into a bit of money, which is why I'm rebuilding my life and I think part of that money might well be used to bring about a legal complaint against the police.
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I have experience of ICL's Point of Sale systems from when I was a petrol station manager and at one time I was 100,000s of litres short and was under investigation. Fortunately an internal auditor used a calculator and cleared me. This begs the question why the Post Office was not notified by ICL when something similar happened there.
BELOW IS HOW IT 'WORKED' AT MY COMPANY:
1. start with 25,000 litres of fuel in your tanks
2. Take a delivery of 25,000 litres from a tanker. You physically have 50,000 litres but until you tell the computer about the delivery, it thinks you have 25,000 litres only.
3. Sell 35,000 litres of fuel. You physically have 15,000 litres of fuel but the computer *SHOULD* think you have -10,000. BUT a bug in the software makes -ve numbers absolute, so it thinks you have PLUS 10,000 litres.
4. So now you enter your 25,000 litre delivery notice from the tanker. You still physically have 15,000 litres of fuel in your tanks but according to the computer you should have 35,000 litres. Where is that 20,000 litres? You stole it and sold it, didn't you? No, actually...
It was easily cleared up by listing ALL transactions of fuel sold to customer's cars and comparing against delivery notices in. The same would apply to Post Office accounts and my bet is at some point this same bug occurred in their software, turning negatives to positives and inventing incorrect accounting. No accounting package is trustworthy if it doesn't have double entry systems.
I am lucky for that one auditor (Mike Morrell) and if he ever reads this then thank you for not letting us go the same way as the Post Office.
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CLIP 1: If it is of interest, I can confirm the first clip found its way to DVSA and the Traffic Commissioners- both branches of the commercial vehicle licensing and enforcement. If you look closely you can see that the bus approached the junction much as a car would and then there was some heavy handed braking at slow speed and you can see the nose of the bus dropping down suddenly. This bus is an E200 and the brakes are Wabco PAN 19- they're OK but direct acting, no S or Z cams, so to get them to snatch like that you've got to put your foot down hard. Both of these are signs of a novice driver. S/he then seems to become confused and become so focused on completing the turn that nothing else momentarily matters.
Some people might think that this amounts to me excusing the driver, but they would be wrong. The law says that once you pass a driving test then you are legally competent to make these judgements. But my issue is why a clearly inexperienced driver is in a 11.5 metre Enviro 200 on a school run with no mentor driver to assist. A mentor driver, if present, would have immediately recognised s/he had approached the junction poorly and would have recommended waiting until the oncoming cars had cleared to give more room to complete the turn and any competent mentor driver would have been shouting "STOP" when the bus went up on the kerb.
Although I do not routinely teach people to drive buses, every one of our drivers when joining our company goes out with me or a similar manager for assessment, no matter their experience. I show them this video as a perfect example of how a minor lapse of concentration can, if not properly corrected, turn into a potential danger.
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@cliffdixon6422 I'd forgotten about Carswell. I know he was a difficult chap, but he was just one of many on the list who couldn't work with Farage. farage came to visit our branch before the referendum. He turned up hours late, talked down to us for 5 minutes, begged for donations then cleared off, giving short shrift to those who wanted a photo with him or just shaking his hand. I know he was busy and had many people to see, but he was supposedly the leader, the focal point to look up to and it was the WAY in which he declined. But he has form for that... He has recently said that he hates meeting people because they want to talk to him.
I've had a growing fear for a little while about him becoming PM and thankfully I can't see it happening now. Just imagine him and zia yusaf running the Country together, with no cabinet needed, no criticism, dissent or disagreement allowed from anyone. Even if- IF- he was working from the basis of a good heart anyone who works without advice, second opinions etc will become a dictator, whether they would wish to be or not. He cannot and must not be allowed to become PM.
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@jdhamer9356 there is some merit in your argument, that's for sure. However, this is precisely the very point Rupert Lowe was making. Farage can either be a one-man band leading a protest party OR he can be a LEADER of a government in waiting but he must choose which.
Your final point of "well, otherwise it's starmer" is flawed and, with respect, utterly silly. If you think that's enough to get Farage elected then you really don't understand politics well enough.
On a personal note, and it's entirely my view without evidence, just an opinion, I don't see any way back now for Reform. They are boasting of Friday's poll showing continued support, but all this happened over the weekend. The media are pulling apart and you can be sure tories and labour will next week. But a week is a long time in politics and 4.5 years much longer- anything could happen. Or could it? Can farage learn from this mistake? Well, he's never learned before, has he?
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For anyone interested, this is how it happened at my company:
1) Suppose you start with 25,000 litres of fuel in your tank and you receive a delivery of 25,000 more litres
2) Now you have 50,000 litres there but the computer thinks you have only 25,000 litres. Between the delivery and you entering in your fuel receipt you sell 35,000 litres
3) Now you physically have 15,000 litres but the computer thinks you have -10,000 litres.
4) The assumption is that you now enter your fuel delivery into the computer and it will balance? No...
5) The ICL system we used (and I'll bet it was the same modules in Horizon) couldn't understand -ve numbers, so it made it +ve.
6) So instead of -10,000 litres it thinks it is +10,000 litres and you add your delivery note of 25,000 litres so the balance is 35,000 according to thhe computer.
7) This means that the difference between the computer's record and your own record is 20,000 litres. If that happens twice per week over months...
The faults in our system are so similar to the Post Office and given it's the same company that produced it. How can ICL or PO claim they were unaware when they were made aware of ours.
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What an excellent video. I could not agree more; in fact, I could have written the script myself. I am a long term member and activist, starting with The Referendum Party in 1994, where I was introduced to this young man named 'Nigel somebody or other.' Then Ukip then TBP/RPUK.
I personally don't see a way back from this for Reform now, nor should there be. I have had doubts about Farage's suitability to govern for some time now but this has been one danger warning sign too many with Rupert. Even if, as I suspect, Farage still has a 'good heart' could you imagine him as Prime Minister, ruling alone, without a cabinet- or a cabinet in name only? Even if you could tolerate that, could you tolerate a Prime Minister who punishes people for disagreeing with him? Would that only apply to MPs or would it apply to any of us? Kim Jong Un Farage, if you like.
As a former candidate for GE and for May this year, I am devastated by all of this and to the point where I have to say that I would encourage everyone NOT to vote for RPUK; as it stands now, it would be a terrible risk of forming a defacto dictatorship. Whether it is farage or yousaf or both that need to go, I don't know, but those two running the Country would be terribly dangerous.
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