Comments by "Fumble_ Brewski" (@fumble_brewski5410) on "Styxhexenhammer666"
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If hell isn't real, then there is no final judgement upon the greatest villains of all time: Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Mussolini, Attila the Hun, etc. It means that they ALL got away with their crimes, and will face no divine tribunal or retribution. The very notion of justice DEMANDS that there be such a judgement. People deny God, not because there is something illogical about the existence of a Supreme Being, but because they don't WANT there to be a God. Or, to quote noted British biologist, humanist and atheist Sir Julian Huxley: "I suppose the reason we (atheists) leaped at (Darwin's) The Origin of Species was because the idea of God interfered with our sexual mores." They find the idea of having to give an account for their lives intolerable.
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Just because you were "born and raised" under falsehood, doesn't mean that the truth isn't out there. To wit, "Jesus saith unto him (Philip), I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14:6) And again, our Lord Jesus declares his unity with God the Father: "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I say unto you I speak not from myself, but the Father abiding in me doeth his works." (John 14:10) I have personally known and spoken with many JW's, and have found them, for the most part, to be honest and sincere people who have unfortunately been exposed to false teaching most of their lives. As the Lord Jesus has said, "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (John 8:32) Cheers.
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There remains much misunderstanding regarding this topic. In the O.T., the word that is translated as "hell" is "sheol" (Heb., שְׁאוֹל shᵉʼôwl), which denotes the underworld, the grave, the pit, or simply the place of the dead. This word is used without any connotation as to the condition of the departed, whether they were righteous or evil. The N.T equivalent to sheol is the Greek word "hades" (ᾅδης háidēs). There is yet another N.T. word that is translated as "hell," but which has a far more solemn meaning. That is the Greek word "gehenna" (γέεννα géenna), which is derived from Hebrew origin and literally means "the valley of the son of Hinnom." This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned, and which never was extinguished. This figuratively is used to describe the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire," and is synonymous with the "Lake of Fire" described in Revelation 19:20, and 20:10-15. This is the place of everlasting judgement of which the Lord Jesus warned us in Luke 12:5, Matt. 23:33 and other N.T. verses.
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Religion (Greek, θρησκεία, thrēskeía), in the sense of mankind's efforts to make oneself acceptable to any external deity (God) through self-effort or imposed rituals is WORTHLESS. Jesus Christ did NOT come into this world to establish a new "religion." There was a perfectly valid "religion" (a God-given religion, if you will) in existence at that time--Judaism. Unfortunately, by the time that Jesus appeared on the scene, Judaism had devolved into a law-bound system focused upon externalities and strict observances of minutiae, and had omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith.
This is why the self-righteous Pharisees were the objects of Christ's unsparing denunciation. The Pharisees presented an attractive external façade, but "inside were full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness." (Matt. 23:27b) Christianity is not a religion, but rather, as the Apostle Paul taught, "...Christ in you, the hope of glory." (Col. 1:27) And, "...that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith." (Eph. 3:17) Amen.
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By the beginning of the 4th century A.D., the churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system, pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs, symbols and "holy days." So-called "christmas," based upon the celebration of the birth (25th December) of the Chaldean fertility god, Tammuz, is a prime example of the early apostasy of the Roman church. Christmas was, according to many authorities, NOT celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian Church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth. A feast was established in the memory of the birth of the Savior in the Fourth Century. In the Fifth Century, the Western Church [Roman Catholic] ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day (Dec. 25th) of the old Roman Feast of Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (the “Birth of the Invincible Sun”). In 1644, the English Puritans forbade any merriment or religious services by act of Parliament on the grounds that Christmas was a heathen festival. They were so opposed to its observance that they even ordered a fast on December 25.
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@willbass2869 I guess that when some people run out of intelligent things to say, they resort to insults and obloquy. There is a veil over your mind, just as Paul said, “But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, among whom the god of this age (Satan) has blinded the minds of those who do not believe so they would not see the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God.” (2Cor.4:3-4)
**Addendum: FYI, I don't take myself seriously, but I do take God and His word of truth VERY seriously--and so should you, friend. And I'm not embarrassed or ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes, to the Jew (chronologically) first, and also to the Gentile (later). As for my being "simple-minded," as you put it, I would rather be wise in what is good, and simple concerning evil. FYI, Paul actually DID meet the risen Christ on the road to Damascus, to which city Paul was sent by the High Priest (at Jerusalem) in order to arrest and imprison those Jews who called upon the Name of Jesus. If you care to investigate further, the entire account is related in Acts 9:1-19. And, to correct your misstatement, it was Luke the physician, not Paul, who wrote most of the N.T. Luke wrote the Gospel of Luke (obviously), and also the book of Acts later on. So Luke's writings account for more than 50% of the N.T. scriptures in total volume. Like most scoffers and skeptics, you are grossly ignorant of the very things you criticize and deride. And I'm not "crazy," most excellent Will Bass, but speak the words of truth and reason. Cheers.
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Christmas makes money--money makes Christmas. Simple as that. The vilest sinner in town will run you over with his car as he hurries off to do his Christmas "shopping," or to attend a drunken Christmas "party." Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. The world would have nothing to do with so-called "Christmas" if they truly believed it marked the birth of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus. Rev. 10:11 reads, "And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send GIFTS one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." Even during the tribulation period, the unbelievers will observe a "christmastime" of hell. More to the point, our Lord Jesus, if he had wished for his birth date to be observed, would have given us instructions as to exactly how and when to do so. He did not. However, he DID instruct us to observe the Lord's Supper "in remembrance of me." The only two ordinances that Christ left us (the Church) with are water baptism and the memorial (Lord's) supper. That's it! Moreover, biblical scholars are divided as to exactly what time of year our Lord was born. Some say early spring; other argue for early fall. One point they agree upon was that the birth of Jesus did NOT take place in late December. Personally, I lean toward the mid to late September timing. The shepherds' flocks would have still been in the field at that time of year, but by December they would have been sheltered indoors in the sheep fold due to the inclement winter weather prevalent in Palestine. Remember that Bethlehem is over 2500 feet (775 meters) in elevation. Regardless of which time of year he came into this world, we have a Savior, "who is Christ, the Lord." Let us rejoice in that truth. Amen.
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@mati261000 You are woefully misinformed regarding so-called "eternal consequences" and the topic of "hell" in general. First of all, there is no such thing as "your soul getting zapped." The soul has no continuing or separate existence from the entire person. We do not possess a soul, we ARE living souls. See Genesis 2:7, where it reads, "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man BECAME a living soul." Man is composed of the natural elements found in the earth, and, when God provides breath/spirit (Heb., nᵉshâmâh), he BECOMES a living soul (Heb., nephesh). We differ from the animal kingdom in that mankind possess a rational intellect (after the image and likeness of God), with which we can relate to ourselves and to our Creator. Don't know about you, but I've never have noticed my dog pausing before his meal to return thanks to God before eating. 🐕 We do NOT continue existence after death as some kind of disembodied spirit or ghost. If we did, then the spiritists and necromancers might have a valid point. The condition of the departed dead is one of being "asleep in the dust of the earth" (Daniel 12:2). See also John 11:11, where our Lord Jesus states, "Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep." And also John 11:14, "Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead." Also Psalm 146:4, "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." And the "wrongdoings," as you call them, can only be propitiated (atoned for) by the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, shedding his blood for the remission (forgiveness) of ALL of our sins. "...and without the shedding of blood, there is no remission. (Heb. 9:22). The future for all unbelieving humans is eternal judgement in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:15), which is the final GeHenna (Matt. 23:33). BTW, what's in YOUR future?
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