Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "Binkov's Battlegrounds" channel.

@mrhdebater1607 >>If their words are meaningless, why are they not trying to fish this plane out of the sea? Why are they not bringing their navy along international waters heading to the US doing the same thing the US is doing in the SCS? << You're the second person I've come across on here arguing as if he has intimate knowledge of what the PLAN is doing. >>We all know the US wants a war so it needs to attack China first, but China is not interested in taking the bait, it is only interested in its own national security which is to defend itself, and the US can't win that way.<< As long as you ignore Taiwan and the result of its theft of the South China Sea. The PRC is only interested in self defence when there's nothing it thinks it can get away with grabbing.
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@mrhdebater1607 >>And you are the only person suggesting that the Chinese has some secret plan of taking over the US's 800 military base camps stationed all over the world as if it wants to militarily control the world. Completely laughable. India has 9 military base camps around the world, some thousands of KMs from its mainland, that's 8 more than what China has, and you're telling me that China is a threat.<< Can you quote me on this? >>Taiwan is one of China's islands, what does this have to do with the topic?<< Taiwan is an independent nation whose capture can put Japan in a vulnerable position. >>Grabbing what? Guam? Hawaii? Puerto Rico? Pacific islands? 800 locations on foreign soils to support its military activities? The oil fields that it developed in Syria to steal oil? The dozens of invasions and the 5 wars that it currently fights in? Share with me your vast knowledge of the topic Robert Bray.<< The EEZs of the countries in the South China Sea are a prime example..... Basically, you're pretending to be completely ignorant of the topic at hand as an excuse to retreat to whataboutism. And that's the polite interpreation of this.
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Who's starving?
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Something like that. IIRC Different plane. Collided with a PLAAF plane that was flying dangerously.
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@Benji-jj2bg ignoring that 100m isn't very far. The admiral who fired first would be the one who was ready to be responsible for starting a shooting war.
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According to the UNCLOS, which the PRC voluntarily signed, those aren't its rightful territorial waters.
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@williammcconville4967 >>5 million crap copys are more than likely better than a thousand originals<< That's nice. PLAAF apparently has about 4k planes vs the USAF's roughly 6k To say nothing of what the rest of the developed world has. >>if china had enough pointy sticks and the will the rest of the world hasnt enough bullets to stop them they can lose 7 to 1 all day long for a draw<< Only if they can get those pointy sticks to where they're needed. Only if they can supply the holders of those pointy sticks.
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@WalkOverHotCoal >>Obvious the best quality control measures of America are still unable to prevent a F35 from falling into sea. More quality control over the existing quality control? << You're expecting perfection at all times? Screw ups happen. >>Ohh...I nearly forgotten about the Boeing 737 Max<< I guess I could put the same response here as well. Also, which of these is meant to contradict what I said?
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@puellamservumaddominum6180 >>finished product of f 35 is not very good either. F35 is a maintenence nightmare<< That's more of a relevant issue if they're not being maintained. There's a huge difference between difficult to maintain and unmaintained. Which is why we go back to: In the PRC, everything is either brand new or falling apart.
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@WalkOverHotCoal That, (plus a tendency to not bother to maintain stuff) but I don't see anything in your posts that's meant to contradict it. America not being perfect doesn't magically mean that the PRC isn't a country with terrible quality control and maintenance. America being exactly like North Korea wouldn't magically mean this either.
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@WalkOverHotCoal Ok, when you first go into a major area, you're generally stunned. The entrance and central bits of a tier 1 city like Beijing, Shenzhen or (I assume) Shanghai is glorious. Priority is heavily placed on things that give a good first impression to outsiders. Image really is everything. If you don't spend much time there, you come away pretty amazed. Move away from things that come under this category and it changes. You can walk around a random city or town and basically see bad paving, concrete coming off walls. Last time I was in Shenyang, I went into a major govt run hotel that's heavily used by officials. It looked fine from a distance, but you go closer there are cracks in the facade, there were water leaks in the bedroom and so on (You had a shower, a couple of square meters next to the bed was soaked) and so on. There's a culture of rebuilding what's decayed, rather than doing anything for the long term and maintaining. And this last bit applies to a huge amount there. Everything is short term expediency. As true for simple things like queuing as it is for major things like construction.
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@puellamservumaddominum6180 OK That doesn't contradict what I say, though. There's a difference between difficult to maintain and not maintained. Those things, however costly to maintain they may be, are maintained.
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@williammcconville4967 >>you do realise they are building and building fast. Ever hear the term throw enough shit at the wall some is going to stick? << In this case, the shit that doesn't stick is a massive drain. >>Miss the memo of the hypersonic missles did we?<< I'd ask what that's got to do with reliability and maintenance, but the reality is it's got nothing to do with it, it's just a high profile thing that gets spoken about lots, while not being nearly what it needs to be. Like the high speed rail, which has turned into a liability.
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@williammcconville4967 Considering that nuclear submarines are a thing that can wipe out a city within a few minutes and can't be destroyed in a first strike, it really isn't the game changer you think it is. The question isn't how do you do the first strike? but how do you prevent/survive the return strike? If I'm wrong, please explain how. Otherwise it goes into the category of being a massive bluff, however few bits of shit might stick where they're actually supports to go.
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@williammcconville4967 >>mass production is more important that quality when it comes to large scale war. Just look at a sherman then look at a tiger tank. Perfection is the enemy of good enough.<< To a degree. Particularly for a defensive war. (The PRC won't be invaded. It'll just be put under blockade - It'll need its war to be fought away from its shores to get supplies) But I'd already replied to you on this subject. Maybe have a look above at the numbers for each. Having a massive amount of extra X only helps you when you actually have a massive amount of extra X.
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@williammcconville4967 if you're bringing up hypersonic missiles, you're bringing up something whose primary use is as a first strike weapon. If you're talking about that, then it seems fair to say that talking about nuclear war (which I agree won't happen) is relevant. As far as having what they need goes, the PRC lacks food, fuel and raw materials. It's very vulnerable to siege
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@williammcconville4967 see my other post about simply blockading China. If there's even anyone who wants to trade with it when it starts properly lashing out. It's a pretty friendless country.
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@williammcconville4967 name their friends that could supply them and won't know that if the PRC ever gets complete control of the South China sea that they're next.
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@williammcconville4967 that depends on the sources I'm waiting for. No point saying the Spanish would block cargo going from Papua New Guinea, now, is there? Edit: keep in mind that in this scenario, a shooting war has started. The time for ignoring what happens if the PRC becomes dominant is past.
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@williammcconville4967 >>just like i said before just keep changing the angle, i cant be bothered going in circles time will tell<< I've just been replying to what you've said. If you can't answer it, that's your own problem. Worth pointing out here that this is in response to your waving a hypersonic missile magic wand around and pretending it'll basically put a stop to global air and sea travel that's not approved by them. If this were remotely true, Taiwan would be invaded by now and the rest of the world would be doing whatever they wanted. If it's true only for the seas around them, then we get back to blockade from pretty much any source of their needs (which are more than food) - Their neighbours know that if the PRC is ever dominant, they're dead (this includes Russia) and those far away are the sources of very long, very vulnerable supply lines. >>Only thing china needs is food << Minor thing. Barely worth a mention. Just like coal for heating and electricity. Another minor thing they depend imports for from countries they're a threat to. And oil. Easy, right? Russia's right there. Except look up what the Empire of China handed over to Russia over the last 160 years. I'm happy to continue. It's not the best of pictures. >>they will take the land they need<< From where? And how long before it's producing what they need? >>You do know who put them in power dont you? Look how doing what your saying effected them.<< Can you expand on this?
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Whose back yard is this? It's definitely not the PRC's.
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@holdfast453 it's interesting that you think that answers my question.
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@holdfast453 how many recently? Can you give some dates and incidents so we can compare?
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@holdfast453 oh, I thought you were talking about modern times, not stuff from the cold war (a time which had a mentality the new USSR keeps telling us to abandon) There was also this idea that we were talking about international waters, freedom of navigation and things related to that.
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@holdfast453 yes, I saw the law. Try reading my comment again. I asked whose backyard it was and pointed out it definitely isn't the PRC's.
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@holdfast453 why are you bringing up a landlocked country that harboured people who launched a major attack killing thousands in response to a question that's very clearly about excessive maritime claims?
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@holdfast453 what does that have to do with who owns that patch of sea?
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@holdfast453 Sure. Good luck in figuring out how to answer a question. It's a useful skill.
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Ok. So there's a massive nuclear war. And then what?
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Much more likely.
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Saiyaku Ish the disparity between North and south has increased a little since the 1950's.
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>>China announces they have no interest in the sunken F35<< What the CCP announces should never be taken as a guide to reality.
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@КГБ-л3п because the first thing that would happen after China was victorious is it would start bringing up the huge amounts of land it's previously ceded to Russia.
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@КГБ-л3п how would you deal with it? How could you deal with it? And you think American forces are going to take Siberia away?
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@КГБ-л3п when you cherry pick the end of a statement and ignore everything that came before it, that says whatever reply you make is the best reply you think you can make. And when your reply doesn't actually address what was said, that says anything else you might have said was worse than your terrible best reply. Anyway, the USSR was a failed experiment. It failed completely. The system it tried to make work failed everywhere it was tried. And if no one cares about the USA or NATO, then your whole argument for Russia teaching the side of the PRC in any conflict is invalid. The PRC then is absolutely the bigger threat to Russia.
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@КГБ-л3п I love how sensitive and defensive you are. No argument, just a Greta style "how dare you?" and trust in the CCP keeping its word. Good luck with your military, btw. Theirs is bigger and backed by a bigger economy. There's only so much a shrinking population with an economy 3/4 the size of Italy's can do. As far as the USSR not being a failed experiment. It's gone now. If the only achievement you can name is it helped defeat a slightly worse dictatorship (it had started the war in alliance with) then what was the point in it for the final 4.5 decades of its existence? History didn't stop with 1945. Edit: funny you mention Hitler and asking since when do outsiders get to decide who's a threat. Stalin had a strong tendency to ignore warnings from outsiders on who and who isn't a threat. It looks like you learnt nothing from that. And Stalin did choose to side with the most dangerous power at the time, "end of discussion"
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First world = NATO/West aligned Second world = Soviet aligned Third world = unaligned. It was only later that these came up be references to economic development.
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Steven Cher does it matter, as long as it works?
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Steven Cher in a similar vein my question to your disparagement of India's tactics, do the reasons being impure matter nearly as much as the results?
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They won't use nuclear missiles.
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Nick Bennett worse. An independent country which chose to side with America.
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@angelarmas8703 it's everything the CCP touches.
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@fugueguy1929 as one half of a civil war, it looks like he was a very disuniting factor. And the country still isn't united. Particularly not in any stable way. I'm not just talking about Taiwan here. Huge swathes, obviously including Hong Kong are only kept in by use of force. And even then, I see so many excusing the CCP's failures by saying they've got a huge job. It seems like it would be better overall if the country were broken into smaller, easily administered chunks that could do what's best for them.
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@amateur9626 you should tell the Spanish and Portuguese that. Peninsula wars.
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@MrFlatage THis is a huge amount of rambling from someone who's had to pretend to not know the name of the person who started this thread. When are you going to ask him for his evidence that these are Chinese waters? Instead, we've even gone into such irrelevant inanities as arguing there's no such country as America. You can try again and keep it on topic all you like, but otherwise, thank you for being so blatant about going all over the place 🙂
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@MrFlatage You've posted the case number yourself. It's pretty sad to get as hung up on a simple title as you are (if you'd been unable to find it, that would be one thing... But you found it). It shows you've got nothing of substance to offer. Still waiting for the same demands of Edwin, BTW (The person at the beginning of this thread. The one who you were forced to have no knowledge of)
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