Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "Chinese Foreign Minister Is Frustrated | Europe Stand By the U.S.| Xi Jinping Never Agrees" video.

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@xiaodian2012 I like that explanation of the last time the Chinese people had any choice in their governing party. Over 71 years ago. So the youngest adult (18+) then is 89 now. Which is a pretty small percentage of the population. By contrast, the youngest legal adult at the last time the Taiwanese people had any choice in their govt is still 18. It seems like, considering you view the people's choice as important, it's time the people in the PRC were asked again.
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@xiaodian2012 really? The Chinese people living in Xi'an want Taiwan to be forcibly annexed, even if it means war with potential loss of decades of economic advancement and life? Well golly gee, that's a pretty big claim. It sounds like it's the sort of thing that should be taken to the public as part of a general election. So far we only have the word of a single political party whose youngest supporters that had anything close to a close are 90 that has a strong tendency to hurt or murder those in its power who disagree with it. Don't know why you're talking about the KMT as if they represent the independent people of Taiwan, though. Speaking of people actually having a choice, they lost. In 2020, not 1949.
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@xiaodian2012 I don't how how you think that was responding to what I said. I'm also not sure why you're bringing up America. It's not the only democracy in the world, I haven't mentioned it and I'm not American. There's also more to democracy than just choosing the head of state and government. And China won't get rule of law until it gets a multi party political system. As for whether China's system is better at choosing a head of state and government, we only have the CCP's word that it is. The only people who were ever asked are at least 89 years old, and they make up a pretty amazingly small percentage of the population.
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@wnxdafriz In that case, that was more of this vaunted CCP efficiency. In this case, Mao was showing the Japanese the most efficient way to kill the Chinese people. But being more serious, the CCP started 'doing well' (in quotes for a reason) when they gave up on trying to fight Capitalism and allowed some in. The Communist Party only started doing well because it allowed the thing it was meant to destroy in. That's failure. And what I've yet to hear is a major achievement of the CCP that wasn't predicated on leaders basically not being Mao and allowing the things the party was formed to fight in. If you look at the major quality of life achievements the pro CCPers are so vocal about (such as high growth... as a percentage. Lifting people out of absolute poverty (they always leave that word out, but when they say it, they mean absolute poverty)) they're pretty much always based on fixing Mao's screwups. He was incredibly efficient at screwing up. Obviously a reply to this post is a wonderful time to bring up exceptions. I'm doubting I'll see any. Just like I doubt I'll see any response to what will happen when the CCP falls. Normally there's just a lot of confidently expressed hope that it'll go on forever.
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@xiaodian2012 by what metric? Anything that doesn't just rely on expecting 7 or 24 million to have the raw grunt of 1.4 billion? I noticed you didn't give any explanation on Taiwan. Just your own opinion. It seems that you get angry when your opinion isn't taken as simple fact. Pretty childish. Even my seven year old daughter has grown out of that.
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Event Horizons I mean, it's quite possible my daughter will grow up thinking of China in the same way as we think of Europe. A region rather than a country.
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@yorkhunt1251 and the CCP is a govt claiming to govern an ethnicity, not a county
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Tokk Lee why? There's no problems with regions with Chinese people that are outside of CCP control. The CCP is the problem here. Nothing else.
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First off, what I particularly liked was how you linked a poorly defined term like efficiency to the people actually wanting it. Because, again, the youngest people who've ever been given a choice are 90. Autocratic governments are more efficient, though, that's true. Efficiency isn't necessarily a good thing. Mao was efficient. It would have been better for all those dead and impoverished if he wasn't. Secondly, I also like how little of your post actually addressed what I said. The only thing was you attempting to come up with a new way in which the people have been asked, even though they really haven't. I'm still not sure why you brought up the US. You completely ignored the bit where I had to explain that a govt was more than its leader. You've dropped your rule of law line so quickly I could swear you must be Zhou Qiang. And before the rest of the post, I'd like to know: When the CCP falls (all governments fall. The only question is how and when. The idea that it'll simply go on and on forever is simply delusional). What happens next? I know what happens in my own country. I know what will happen to Taiwan. I know what'll happen in the US, UK, Canada, etc. Because we see governments fall every few years. Peacefully. But what will happen to the PRC? Anyway: >>At least so far, the government of the Communist Party of China is the most efficient government in the world<< By what metric? So far, the parts of China where people are wealthiest are the parts that the CCP has the least control over. As of 2018, the highest GDP per capita in the mainland is Beijing. With 20k USD. Hong Kong has a GDP per capita of $48k USD. Taiwan has a GDP per capita of $25K USD And as for the country as a whole, well, Li Keqiang himself said that 600 million were living on less than 140 USD a month. $1,680 That doesn't sound very efficient compared with every place they haven't controlled. Unless you simply mean the ability to enact bad ideas faster. >>This shows that the people have chosen the Communist Party in the past few decades<< Why does this show that? >>It is hard to say whether the Communist Party will be the most efficient in the future<< It's hard to say how it's the most efficient now. >>But which government is good? << Plenty. Just look at the countries that have high net immigration. People vote with their feet. >>In fact, at the beginning of each big country's regime, it is good. Slowly, each country will embark on a road of contradiction between the ruling class and the ruled class<< Mao was good when he was efficiently enacting policies that starved tens of millions to death? >>No other country can let the instant interest group take its own life<< What does this mean? >>This was the case in the Qing Dynasty<< Corrupt, insular, stagnant, autocratic. Sounding pretty similar to the directiont they're currently going in. >>in Britain<< This would be the Britain that the CCP is furious at because it offered HK people the ability to freely choose to live there, rather than under them? If you're going to list a country as a failure, try to make sure it's not a country that large amounts of people choose in preference to living under what you're trying to claim is a success. >>and in the United States<< Same thing here. >>Big countries die in their own hands<< Xi does seem to be doing a very efficient job of guiding the PRC to suicide. >>while small countries die in the hands of others<< Some do, some do very well. >>Therefore, Western powers try every means to cut China into small countries<< We've actually done a shameful job of ignoring the atrocities that go on inside the PRC's borders, and an even more shameful job of what the CCP does outside of them. Far from trying to cut it up, we've spent most of the last few decades doing actions that would help it stay together. >>Taiwan is the knife cut by the United States<< Taiwan is an independent country made up of people who didn't want to live under the CCP. And any remote chance of peaceful reunification has been very efficiently destroyed by the CCP's own actions in Hong Kong (making a joke of 1C2S). >>We are unified into a country. Our language, culture and ideology are the same<< laughs in Cantonese But really, no they're not. If you were unified, you wouldn't be so paranoid about the West trying to carve you up. You can only be carved up if the people actually want to be carved up. >>There is no contradiction at all<< There's contradictions within your very words. That's ignoring the extra weight reality gives it. >>Now the contradictions among the people are just created by the authorities and rulers<< On this, we can agree. >>What has the Communist Party done to the people of Taiwan? << You mean besides constantly threaten to invade and take over over the last seventy years? Besides pressure every country that would want relations with them into breaking off those relations? Besides being a constant threat of autocracy hanging over their heads? >>What did you hurt?<< I'm in HK and have been watching the CCP puppet's lies and failures first hand. Also, it's pretty easy to ask any random person around the world how the CCP has hurt them at the moment. I know you don't believe the current epidemic is the CCP's fault. I know you don't believe that the CCP lied and covered up when this virus was still a very small problem. You probably don't even believe that the CCP govt was calling travel bans from China racist during the early stages of this fiasco, but a fairly large majority of the rest of the world disagrees with you. >>Where does the hatred come from?<< Experience and consequent distrust. Seeing what's been done to a city that deserves a far better govt.
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@xiaodian2012 lol @ trying to make the counter argument in Chinese in the hope it'll be ignored and you'll get the last word. Say, do you want to try that again, without using arguments (like there's 1.4 billion people to look after) that suggest China is too big to govern efficiently (and should logically therefore be split up)? And Hong Kong was doing wonderfully before coming under the CCP's mafia like "protection" The bit in your rant about Taiwan being like a third tier mainland city is interesting. Would you like to explain that further?
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@TheOpenSourceMerc I honestly think that when China becomes democratic, there will be a takeover by Taiwanese parties. Basically because they're the veterans. The CCP only knows how to play the political game on easy mode. When they control everything and only need to be better than a civil war. Taiwan has the democratic experts. And the best bit is it'll be by the (for once, actual) will of the Chinese people.
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Tokk Lee except its the CCP that's China's curse. Maybe it's more than that. But the highest differentiator is communist party dominance. And we've seen that has a pretty consistent ability to fuck things up in any region.
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Why is being against the CCP bringing the world's end?
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By what definition of either word aren't they an independent country?
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Except for countries like Russia. And culturally similar nations get upset by the same things.
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Look @ our from the ESL speaker pretending to be American.
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