Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "How China Is Remaking Hong Kong in Its Own Image" video.

  1. You should feel sorry for everyone who's living under a govt that's so bad that people who've tried both prefer the foreigner.
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  2.  @juncookie3699  the people of Hong Kong disagree. They've tried both systems. They know which they prefer.
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  3. The pandemic says otherwise
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  4. It's not the West that's in control. It's not the West that implemented the national security law. It's not the West that broke the handover treaty.
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  5. Like Jackie Chan.
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  6. How so? And keeping in mind the CCP had been threatening to invade if the British made Hong Kong democratic since the 50's. Further keeping in mind that the thing that made Hong Kong different to the mainland was the British.
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  7. It's not odd at all. Odd would have been adhering to the handover treaty they voluntarily signed which said they wouldn't do that until 2047.
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  8. The handover treaty says the Hong Kong people should have been left alone until 2047
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  9. The protests were done by people who'd tried both systems.
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  10.  @pineapplesareyummy6352  this is where you're simply lying. It was all ages.
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  11. They are. It's called Ireland.
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  12. More specifically, it was the only part of the PRC the world could trust. Because of its rule of law. Can't say that anymore.
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  13. And why did they want that? What lead up to it? I was there, so I'm interested in seeing how much you choose to leave out.
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  14. You missed the vote in Scotland a few years ago.
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  15. So basically, you're incapable of dealing with criticism of your own country. So go for whataboutism.
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  16. Who? And why?
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  17. I watched a stream of black go by on Hennessey road for hour after hour. While the pro govt protests in the papers normally had a few dozen people at most. Then there were the district council elections. How much would it cost to get you to turn on your country like that without other issues? You seem to think it natural to be able to buy off a city, so the number must be pretty low.
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  18. ​ @kongqiyiwang even translated, it's obvious that's still a pointless ramble. Although I'll never forget "Asia's finest" giving the Triads a friendly pat on the back street they beat up protesters at the MTR. Under the British, the Hong Kong police were the best in Asia. Under the. CCP, the Triads became a branch of the police.
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  19. What is, exactly?
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  20. It's the CCP that's destroyed it.
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  21. The govt hand picked by Beijing. The govt that gets worse for more similar it is to the mainland.
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  22. Not even Chinese want children. Why would you move to a place people have even given up on having children in?
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  23.  @ansa336  you see, the funny thing here is that in the UK, your children aren't your retirement plan. Whereas in the PRC, they are. So someone who's given up on having children is very literally someone who's given up on their old age. Meanwhile, 700k more remain in the UK each year than leave it. While the PRC is extending its record of history's biggest brain drain every day.
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  24.  @ansa336  that's the PRC. It's why the birthrate is about twice the PRC's PLUS it can attract enough immigrants to make up any shortfall. Whereas the PRC needs 30 million immigrants per year to keep its current worker to dependent ratio.
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  25.  @ansa336  what am I saying that's irrational and why? As for who I'm having this discussion with, all I'll say there is that using projection against someone who actually knows the facts doesn't support what you say.
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  26.  @ansa336  list year. The birthrate was 6.39 per thousand people. This is down from 14 per thousand in 2014. And over half of these are second or third children. What part of that is inaccurate?
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  27.  @ansa336  the source is the Chinese national bureau of statistics. so your view is that as long as there's one child being born, that's enough? And no. Because, as I've pointed out beside that the rate is twice as high, we can attract large numbers of immigrants. The PRC needs 30 million immigrants per year based on last year to keep the worker to dependent ratio at its current state. That's a decline of working age people of 10 million (who need 10 million to replace them) plus a net increase in dependents of another 10 million.
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  28.  @ansa336  that over half of newborns are second or third children is from the China daily. So that's 6.39 births per thousand when over half are second or third children in 2023 vs 14 births per thousand when the vast majority would have been only children in 2014. So the number of people deciding they can/want to become parents has dropped by 2/3 to 3/4 in a mere decade.
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  29.  @ansa336  so that should answer your initial question.
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  30.  @ansa336  your last sentence. And using the available data (which I notice you've moved away from) the UK is clearly a better choice. Don't believe me? Ask the net 700k who move there each year from over the world. Including the 500k Chinese who currently live there. From your ignorance of the numbers I'd posted, it's worth asking as many people as possible what they know that you don't. As a freebie, I'll include that when you're comparing two countries, it's worth actually knowing about those two countries. You don't even know your own.
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  31.  @ansa336  if you're confused about why birthrates are relevant (likely) there's another simple reason. Someone choosing to move to the PRC is choosing to move to a nation sized old people's home. Because the PRC can't attract nearly, nearly, nearly enough immigrants to offset the birthrate that's already about half of the UK (and getting worse each year. Much worse) that's the fate they'd be choosing. The PRC got old before it got rich. The UK didn't.
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  32.  @ansa336  so why did you move there?
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  33. This post is a lie. What you've said is all that was needed, but they added in the mainland China bit in a moment of blatant opportunism.
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  34. How do you get millions (and it was that. I watched a black flow go down Hennessey road for hour after hour) to protest like that without a serious grievance? How do you get them to turn on their govt so much that they literally need to rewrite the election rules to go from merely being extremely difficult to lose to being literally impossible without a serious grievance? The idea that this was done by foreign forces is a joke believed by imbeciles.
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  35. I was there. So I'm interested in why you think the protests started. What you've listed was nothing new. It wasn't the trigger. I'm interested in seeing what you choose to leave out.
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  36. Someone they'd explicitly and voluntarily agreed not to do until 2047.
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  37.  @baglespelledwrong8159  who forced them? And how?
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  38. Sure there is. I worked with lots of them.
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  39. And it's not even 2047
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  40.  @lindagonzalez5513  say what you like about British leadership of Hong Kong. There were zero famines or cannibalism. Can't say that about the PRC under the CCP.
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  41.  @gnization  20 out of 90 seats are elected from a list of people Beijing has approved. This is an extremely new definition of "fully voted" Can you expand on what you mean by it a bit?
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  42. In 2017. Long before the protests they provoked.
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  43. We should focus on Hong Kong. It's a reminder of how much (or little) an agreement with the CCP is worth.
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  44.  @juncookie3699  the CCP threatened to invade if Britain made Hong Kong democratic. These threats date back to the 50's. And that bit of whataboutism doesn't contradict that they disagree so strongly the CCP was forced to change the election rules from ones where it was merely extremely difficult to lose to ones where it was impossible for them to lose.
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  45.  @juncookie3699  district council elections. Which the govt lost so badly they had to rewrite the LegCo rules to go from being extremely difficult to lose to being impossible. And under the British, the CCP made threats if they allowed in democracy. These dated back to the 1950's
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  46. There was no problem walking safely before this.
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  47.  @csn3333  I was there. I did. It wasn't remotely what you make it out to be.
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  48.  @csn3333  BTW, how does inconvenience from cosmetic damage compare to losing the right to a fair trial?
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  49. What year is it?
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  50. It's called breaking the handover agreement. Which was already dismissed in 2017 (before the protests. Showing they were only an excuse for what the CCP had planned)
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  51. For the CCP to adhere to the agreements they voluntarily signed.
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  52.  @Hypocrites-507  how did they not with Hong Kong?
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  53. Yes. This whole comment section is full of wumao. They don't like being reminded that the CCP dismissed the handover treaty it voluntarily signed years before the protests started.
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  54.  @hkfrog2896  the truly sad thing is these are the people the CCP actually chooses and pays to be their public face.
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  55. It's about the people of Hong Kong being so against the CCP that they were forced to change the law to make it impossible to lose an election, instead of extremely difficult.
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  56. If I only allow you to choose from my friends, have I given you a choice?
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  57. Were they treaty bound not to?
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  58.  @ComdZero  so basically your only answer is an evasion. Golly gee. What a surprise.
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  59.  @ComdZero  so why do you think the protests started? I was there, so I'm happy to fill you in on anything you've got wrong or choose to leave out.
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  60. So why did the protests start? I'm interested in seeing what a "Hong Konger" like yourself leaves out
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  61.  @HardyMung  the bit you mostly skipped over was where the laws they were making weren't limited to Hong Kong and Taiwan. Which leads to the question of why the mainland needed to be included in these laws. It was between Hong Kong and Taiwan.
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  62.  @HardyMung  to be clear, PRC law doesn't apply in Taiwan. It never has. Under 1C2S it still wouldn't. It didn't apply in Hong Kong at this level either. So there was no reason to include it in the extradition law between these two places. And given its absence between Hong Kong and the mainland wasn't an accidental oversight, but an intentional decision agreed upon to keep Hong Kong's independent legal system independent of the party controlled PRC's, there was plenty of reason to keep it out.
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  63.  @HardyMung  so why include the mainland if it was never going to be used? Do you really expect people to announce how they're going abuse a loophole they're creating?
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  64.  @HardyMung  want to try actually answering my questions? If it wasn't going to be used, why not remove it and confine it to Hong Kong and Taiwan?
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  65.  @HardyMung  you're actually doing a wonderful job of showing why they were upset, but a woeful job of showing why they were wrong to be upset.
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  66. Only if they bribed Carrie Lam to act the way she did.
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  67. Hong Kong showed how little the CCP's word means.
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  68.  @juncookie3699  which has nothing to do with that the CCP broke the agreement it voluntarily made. They chose to treat the handover treaty as a historical document of no practical significance.
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  69.  @juncookie3699  the legislature is chosen by Beijing. Trials that interest Beijing are controlled by Beijing. And the CCP threatened to invade in Britain ever made Hong Kong democratic. These threats go back to the 50's. What part of this is independent?
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  70.  @juncookie3699  I like how you needed to ignore the entirety of what I'd written to post that talking point.
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  71.  @juncookie3699  "And the CCP threatened to invade if Britain ever made Hong Kong democratic. These threats go back to the 50's." You need to have a pretty diseased mentality to not see a problem with threatening someone with dire consequences if they do something and criticising them for not doing it. "diseased mentality" does sum up what you need to have to support the CCP, though, so it's not surprising. Just fun to highlight.
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  72.  @juncookie3699  1950's There were threats made in the 1950's. AKA almost fifty years before the new territories lease expired. And many continuing ones after that.
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  73.  @juncookie3699  which doesn't begin to contradict what I said. And if you had anything that actually could, it would have been in your first response. You wouldn't have been flailing around trying to find something on your list of talking points that sticks.
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  74. Is it 2047 yet?
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  75.  @Edward47128  is that what made the CCP tear up the agreement? What year did they do that in?
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  76.  @Edward47128  it's also funny that you ask if Hong Kong turning China into its image was the aim. Hong Kong would have been a wonderful testing ground for policies that would have allowed the next govt to peacefully come to power when the CCP lost power, as all governments do. However, now what peaceful means are there for a transfer of power to a future govt? The CCP will fall sooner or later. The only questions are when, how and what happens next?
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  77. The CCP threatened to invade if they allowed that.
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  78. There was no universal franchise because the CCP had been making threats to invade if this was done, as far back as the 1950's
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  79. Lol. I was there during the protests. Tell me. What do you think was the spark? And how do you get an outsider like the US or UK to get literal millions to march against their govt without their govt having serious problems?
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  80. I was there. The conversation was more about how bad the police and govt were. You can see confirmation on this attitude in the district council elections, where the result was so bad the govt had to change the electoral laws to make it impossible for them to lose, instead of merely extremely difficult.
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  81. You think the reason they went out en masse like this is simply they were paid to? No other reason behind it?
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  82. Because the CCP had been threatening to invade Hong Kong if the British introduced democracy since the 1950's.
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  83. What is, exactly?
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  84. So, journalist, what do you think sparked the protests? I was there from start to finish. I'm happy to refresh your memory on things you "forget"
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