Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "The Armchair Historian"
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@shaquillewilliams7888 >>There is literally nothing that Stalin or Mao did that the UK, US, France, Spain, and Portugal didn’t do.<<
There's something they didn't do that those places did do.
They created successes.
Stalin, Mao, etc were epic failures and, particularly with Mao, they knew it.
>>But nothing is a tragedy until it happens to people in the core of these empires. Literally millions of people dead and nothing.<<
Check the human development index sometime.
That's a measure of success right there.
Nothing has brought more people out of poverty than Capitalism has.
>>The ONLY people who are seen as tyrants in the west are people who take wealth away from the rich. <<
I'm pretty sure Putin's a classic example of a tyrant who doesn't take wealth away from the rich.
>>Communists made horrible errors and were responsible for deaths. They were also overly repressive This is not the same as the deliberate cruelty that the major empires have visited across the world. <<
Here, we'll have a real problem.
Mao KNEW what was going on. Stalin KNEW what was going on. Pol Pot KNEW what was going on. The Kims KNEW (and know) what's going on.
If you want to say that Western leaders did horrible things, that's fine. I know that if I ask for a quote where I come close to denying this, I'll be met with silence.
But don't even think about telling me that these people didn't KNOW exactly what they were doing.
What they did might have started as a mistake, but they kept these mistakes going even after they KNEW what they were doing.
What? You think the Holodomor was an accident? You think Mao wasn't able to look outside his window and see the starvation? You think Kim Jong Il was ignorant of the widespread starvation in his own country?
>>The US segregated it’s population (north & south) and almost exterminated the entire native population. <<
Yes it did.
>>The US has 25% of the worlds prisoners and only 5% of the population <<
Kind of depends on how you define a prison, doesn't it?
Are the Uighurs imprisoned? Or are they in schools?
What about when you literally make an entire country a prison, as was the case in the USSR and is the case in North Korea?
Or what if you simply flat out lie about your numbers?
The US houses 25% of those who are OFFICIALLY prisoners. That's not remotely the same as housing 25% of the world's prisoners.
And the number ignores to a shameful degree the difference between a prisoner in the US and a 'student' in Xinjiang.
>>Wealth redistribution brought nothing but vitriol from the countries where wealth > human life.<<
Kind of depends on how it's done.
Socialism has been an epic failure.
Social Democracy, which is using the proceeds of capitalism to fight inequality has done quite well.
As far as wealth being worth more than human life goes, economies matter. They matter enormously. Poverty kills. Poverty kills en masse.
>>They made Haiti pay for wanting to be a free society, Ousted Arbenz in Guatemala, Tried to put the Czar back in power during the Russian revolution, Couped Allende in Chile, Killed Thomas Sankara (greatest leader to ever live, Assassinated Lamumba, Ousted the Shah in Iran, Assassinated MLK, Assassinated Fred Hampton, Bombed their own citizens (Blair Mountain, Tulsa Massacre, MOVE bombings), bombed Grenada, Put Fascist in power in DR, Honduras, etc—who were responsible for a global campaign against all progressive movements<<
Yep, a lot of very bad, commonly indefensible actions have been done by Western countries, but...
>>Stalin was a brute. The US was the most brutal empire of the 20th century.
Not even close.
Not remotely close.
The USA was a country that did do some horrible things that we expected better from.
But what it's done over several centuries doesn't come close to what the PRC or the USSR (also empires) did in 70 years .
And unlike these two countries, the USA has had some successes.
The USSR was a failure that spawned failure. The PRC's successes have stemmed from Mao being dead and no longer actively screwing things up.
Unlike Russia and the PRC as well, the USA has learned and improved. It's not perfect. It's a long, long way from being perfect. However it's much better than it was. Whereas Russia and the PRC are more of the same. The only thing their leaders have learnt is how to stay in power.
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