Comments by "Bob" (@bobs_toys) on "PolyMatter" channel.

  1. How so?
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  2.  @thegoodfolk  are they problems that will just go away in the medium to long term?
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  3.  @zhouwu  yeah, it's pretty special. I'm a New Zealander on my mother's side. Most of my relationship with my uncle has been making fun of each other's countries. I'm in Hong Kong and he's been worried about me. He suggested I move to NZ. I countered with North Korea as an equally acceptable alternative. You kind of get it in the UK as well, but there's an undertone of serious to it. I'm a Celt, rather than English. (Three citizenships, btw) and I'll happily talk about the invaders when I'm there, but being Australian, except for wanting a few hundred M2 in London as compensation, I'm too far removed to care. Others take it seriously, though. Which is why I'm a Cornishman in Scotland, Cornwall, Ireland or Wales, simply British or Australian in England (unless I want to rib the German invaders), and in Europe, always Australian.
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  4.  @zhouwu  and I'm the father of a very rare Chinese Celt, born in the UK and raised (so far) in Australia. Or to put it another way, a Chinese British aborigine. Going to be fun to teach her to treat identity politics with contempt 😛
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  5.  @zhouwu  I have not. I just tried being a cynical bastard who's used to seeing people who claim to believe something stop acting like they do the moment it's convenient for them or whatever their main goal is. I also take pleasure in idiots who idiot. But whacking on my list. Thanks☺️
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  6.  @jackychick  If there were peaceful means to stop something completely unacceptable happening (the abuse that extradition law was open to made it completely unacceptable), I'd agree with much of what you said (Not counting the conspiracy stuff about "it's all the US's fault" etc. My wife and mainland coworkers were also completely unaware of any violence against people with a mainland accent. Just like my wife was completely unaware of any of the allegedly common attacks on Chinese in Australia.... You get the idea). Violence is a last resort. But what peaceful means were there? Keeping in mind it was the govt that was responsible for the absence of peaceful means.
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  7. Another person who doesn't understand ratios?
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  8. The first step towards fixing a problem is selling the organs of people who say there's a problem on the black market. A saying as old as time.
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  9.  @nayandusoruth2468  they were doing that. Then they stopped. Then they went out of their way to make the whole situation worse and burn any trust the rest of the world might have for them.
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  10. Ethnic identity. That only people who are ethnically pure Chinese can be Chinese. Like my daughter, who has a Chinese mother and speaks Mandarin about as well as she speaks English will never be regarded as Chinese* *Unless the state decides she's fair game for something nasty. Whereas both she and my wife are unquestionably British and Australian.
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  11.  @TomorrowWeLive  Well, no question from anyone who matters. Some random internet troll disagreeing isn't going to substantially change the statement.
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  12. This is why as an Australian I had no problem selling all the iron ore they wanted. It was all wasted money.
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  13. Does the absence of such a video make anything in this incorrect?
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  14.  @JohnSmith-qk4rm  Firstly, I'm just going to highlight here that you've completely given up on anything to do with the PRC or CCP. You've instead made a conscious effort to divert attention away from these uncomfortable subjects and focus on talking about the USA with an Australian. I'll also explicitly point out that you, like so, so, so many others, have refused to answer anything about any peaceful means to get rid of the CCP. That you feel the need to evade this should terrify you. Anyway... >>Voted out peacefully? << Yep. >>So then tell me, why is Jie Biden still sitting in his chair as nothing happened<< There was an election a year ago. The incumbent lost. >>The total death caused by COVID in USA is right now 831K, more than the combined lose of US soldiers in WW1 and WW2. You know what, rather than worrying about china, who may or more possibly may not have any issue, why don't you do something to save yourself?<< It takes a pretty special kind of delusion to think it's a good idea to suggest worrying about things other than China in the same paragraph as you talk about the deaths caused by the CCP virus. >>America is so screwed right now at this very moment we talk. For the last 20 years, the entire world economy was kidnapped by your immoderate desire for more money. << This desire is the same thing that pulled the PRC out of the abject poverty Mao sentenced the Chinese people to for another generation. It is a massive problem. You're right, the Western world should stop the greed that makes us turn a blind eye to the barbarities of the CCP. It's not a civilised government, it's high time we stopped letting our desire for money make us pretend that they are. >>Every single conflict since WW2 can be traced back to the USA.<< It's interesting that you believe this. >>If your system really has that self-correction which you always try to point out. The world should never come to this point, not even close.<< Well, there almost was peace with the fall of that corrupter of nations known as the Soviet Union. Unfortunately the barbarians in the CCP have kept it going that little bit longer. >>So why is it so hard for you people to face the fact that your system is just nothing but a dream? << Firstly, do you see the irony in you (the person who's decided to abandon any attempt whatsoever to say things are just peachy in the PRC) asking why people can't face.... Anything? Secondly, democracy is well known to be the worst system of government.... Except for all the other systems that have been tried. >>In reality, it failed badly<< Failed so badly your senior officials and your rich have put a massive amount of effort into getting their money into the USA. Failed so badly that they don't need capital controls (unlike the PRC) >>It is time to face it and make a change now. << You'd do a better job of making an argument for this change if you could actually defend the system you think is a good one instead of resorting to whataboutism. >>CCP must have done something right throughout its history<< Yes. The Chinese Communist Party temporarily stopped trying to achieve Communism. After the epic disaster that was Mao. >>No matter what CCP saved their people both from COVID<< The continued lockdowns after the CCP's success at "containing" the virus when it first came outr say otherwise. >>and made sure no one got homeless<< Do you realise you're posting this on a video about people putting their (and their family's) life savings into buying houses from a company that's gone bankrupt? >>It is nothing to be ashamed of to learn from people you might don't like. And this is something people like you should really try to undestand.<< I agree. The CCP has given the world a master class on what not to do over the last few years. (Actually the past 70. About the only time the CCP hasn't given the world a wonderful lesson on what not to do was when the Communist party was allowing in some capitalism) Lesson 1 (while you're bringing up the CCP virus) is don't lie about and cover up a new virus. Lesson 2 is don't have an economy that's so untrusted that the only place for people to put their spare cash into is housing. Lesson 3 is don't let people get the belief that X investment opportunity will never be allowed to fail. And that's without going into a wonderful variety of other lessons. I could try your tactic of just slinging random whataboutisms do see what sticks, but I don't need to. Replying to what you've said gives me all the opportunity I could ever ask for. It should tell you everything you could ever need to know about the state of the PRC that you can't do the same.
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  15.  @JohnSmith-qk4rm  that's a weird thing to say. Can you quote the bit that gave you that idea?
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  16. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rp7UPbhErE I think this song really caps this highly enjoyable conversation off.
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  17.  @TheWarrek  it was very fun. I'm just sorry the little coward has run away. But all good things must come to an end.
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  18.  @RichardCurrie  I didn't say it was. Unless you've literally been in a coma, it's pretty disingenuous to pretend that there's nothing more to the story.
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  19.  @ChucksSEADnDEAD  you'd think they'd be able to look at how divided US politics are, and realise that it took far more than Trump to turn being anti CCP into a bipartisan issue. But then again, that doesn't fit the "it's all someone else's fault" narrative.
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  20. The government's legitimacy relies on the economy doing well and people's living standards improving. With these problems, they have a choice between starting to deal with the problem now, and taking the hit, or dealing with the problem later (even though it'll keep getting worse) and taking the hit later.
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  21. Unaccounted for children living in the countryside who didn't do things like go to school (where they'd have been noticed) If you think that's the quality and numbers you need, you're grasping at straws. It also ignores that the one child policy was abolished almost 7 years ago, removing the need to hide those children, and births have continued to plummet.
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  22. That you equate the party with the state is concerning. Also, outside the rule of law. Which until there's a free, independent and equal legal system that's above the party is something the PRC doesn't have.
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  23. There's three problems here. One is that the PRC is also affected by this, particularly up north. Two is that the ones they get will be the ones that the western world doesn't want. Three is that the PRC is not an open, immigrants friendly culture that can deal with three multiculturalism the western world regards as normal
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  24. No one cares what the barbarians in Beijing think is responsible. Their idea of responsible includes lying about a new virus while it spreads to the rest of the world. Their idea of responsible is forcing people to have abortions until it triggers a population collapse. Their idea of responsible is destroying the one hope the PRC had of establishing a testing ground for policies (Hong Kong could have been the place the saved the PRC) that would allow the PRC to peacefully transition away from the CCP when its time was up.
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  25. It's the short name of the Republic of China. Founded in 1912, 37 years before the secessionist PRC was founded and continuously independent since its founding. The secessionist PRC, on the other hand, is just the unfortunate spawn of a Moscow backed incompetent.
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  26. From where do they get sufficient numbers of the sort of people they need and why would they go to a relatively poor country (Shanghai, Beijing and Shenzhen aren't remotely typical cities) when they could go to other countries with better living conditions, higher rates of pay and cultures that are experienced at assimilating immigrants? To say nothing of the language issues. Not many people outside of the PRC speak Mandarin. If you can't answer the why for the people other countries want, then the next question is on how successful can China be if it relies on people the developed world simply didn't want? To give an example of the scale of the problem, China would need to attract about 3/4 of the world's immigrants to make up for its declining birthrate.
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  27.  @ZZZ-zl4mz  the only way you could ask that question is if you didn't read past the first sentence.
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  28. 1 is a question of a sufficiently large source. 2.... Is feasible. It's no worse than the one child policy.
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  29. Will that change anything they're talking about here?
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  30.  @renawong8249  When did he do that? Can you quote it?
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  31. Your productivity does. You might have a huge amount of cash in the bank, but you're no longer contributing to society. You're living off the excess production during your life. Which is fine and all, but in the here and now, you're still not producing.
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  32. 1) it did, but it came with a price that's about to be paid. A depleted younger generation caring for a huge older generation. 2) ratios matter much more than total numbers.
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  33. >>I'm sorry, but this is all ridiculous conjecture. No consideration of material conditions, and no historical context or really any factual information at all other than population by age. China has eliminated domestic poverty and is undertaking the largest infrastructure project in history<< Achievements made during a time when the worker:dependent ratio was fantastic can't really be expected to be maintained when the worker:dependent ratio is terrible. >>They can also anticipate the problem you describe, and if they find your argument convincing, they can encourage reproduction at higher rates.<< 16.5 million births the year they decided it was a good time to get rid of the one child policy 10 million births last year. Clock's ticking. There's a 20-25 year gap between a birth and a useful member of society. >>They can survive a momentary reduction of the working age population.<< This momentary reduction is one that'll be measured in generations. Not years or even decades. The reality of it is that the benefits from any real attempt to fix this problem now wouldn't be seen until your current dictator is dead of old age and buried, whereas the costs wil be immediate.
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  34. After the last year of the PRC's internal business being inflicted on the entire world.... No.
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  35. Unfortunately, when it comes to consequences, the two are intertwined. The CCP has forced China into a suicide pact.
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  36. @Daniel Taylor this is a big thing. They were blindsided by the effect of the one child policy. Repetition in caps for emphasis: THEY WERE BLINDSIDED BY THE EFFECT OF THE ONE CHILD POLICY. Demographics is almost literally the most predictable science you've got that's relevant to this. As far as I've seen, the PRC (including the people within it) barely plan five minutes ahead. Let alone decades or centuries. Which is why it's so common to see overcompensation in response to a highly predictable problem.
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  37. From where? And how do they attract the type of people they need? To say nothing of finding people outside the PRC who speak Mandarin.
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  38.  @ronanodonnabhain3888  >>there are however (proportionally) far more immigrants in countries like poland or russsia, where you'd expect similar barriers.<< I can't speak for Russia, but in Poland it felt like I couldn't move more than ten meters without running into someone who spoke English. That was in Warsaw, so I also can't speak for the rest of the country. However, we get to that over half of the EU population speaks English as a first or second language (For Poland, a bit over a third speak English vs about 1% for the PRC). >>china (and this applies to japan 100 fold) can go a long way to solve demographic problems by ramping up immigration initiatives.<< With the PRC we keep coming back to the other big issue: It's big. Really, really big. What's feasible for a population of 100 million doesn't scale out to a population of 1.4 billion. To say nothing of the PRC's latest fertility rate of < 8:1000 Even if all the pull factors for the PRC were equal to the rest of the world, you get caught up in that the scale of the problem is simply immense. For the rest, I broadly agree. But it's a case of even if they wanted to change this, the problem has been allowed to simply become too big. That they're against changing it is simply that extra thing making a horrendous situation worse.
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  39. Nothing says "we're united" like needing to loudly and frequently scream about how united you are.
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  40.  @yopyop3241  more to the point, the USA has a problem with too many people trying to get in. Which is why it (along with pretty much every other western nation) are able to pick and choose from the best the world has to offer
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  41.  @hiss9989  I'm Australian, and in response to all this, I'd simply suggest you look at the US demographics. They don't align with your views.
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  42.  @hiss9989  ok, I'll put it another way. There's massive amounts of people do disagree with your opinion. The biggest single bloc is from the Americas, that's true. But they only account for half of the total. You can get demographic data, including immigration sources from here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
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  43.  @hiss9989  so you didn't state that you believe that the political situation in the USA is unstable? Or that you'd prefer the European healthcare? Or that the USA isn't the best choice? Those are all opinions.
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  44.  @hiss9989  the demographics show you the massive amount of people who disagree with you. I'm a little concerned that this needs to be spelled out...
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  45. Is anything incorrect?
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  46. By their definition, there have been two presidents of China for almost 70 years. (with the secessionist China's president coming over 40 years after the original China's) Presidents of two separate, independent countries.
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  47.  @cashed-out2192  they'll try, anyway. It doesn't really matter if they'll win. The only thing that matters is if it'll help them hang on a little longer. Sure, it'll screw the PRC up for decades to come, but no one cares about the PRC. It doesn't matter.
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  48.  @deri1942  that sounds like a problem Austrians will have to deal with. Or don't. It doesn't change what I say if Austrians want to make stupid decisions. They can either join the Anglosphere practice of supporting and encouraging skilled migration or deal with the consequences China will have to. Here's a major difference, though: Austrians don't WANT to take this option. China CAN'T take this option. Austrian can change its wants as reality dawns.
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  49.  @deri1942  probably because you're in China (what? You think you're the first person to claim to be from somewhere other than the PRC? I've had no end of obvious second language speakers claim to be born and raised Britons, Australians, Americans and so on. It's a tired old trope), which isn't a destination for skilled migrants. Or you're not in an industry which needs skill. And as for China importing labour from other countries, see the points in my original post. As for getting Africa to become the next China, western countries can do that as well and cut out the middleman. The PRC's offering to the world was that it was cheap and Central. If you're exporting your industry to Africa.... What's the point in you?) As far as racism goes, you can parrot your talking points all you like. The decisions made by actual people tell a story that completely contradicts your narrative. I trust people who vote with their feet more than internet randoms.
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  50.  @deri1942  as someone who actually does work in a skilled industry, I'm well aware of how many skilled migrants you get. It's packed with them in whatever country I've been to. And considering the extreme effort the PRC is going into alienating every other developed economy, I agree, it might not be dependent on exports in five years. Not because the domestic market is ready to take over, though. As for dismissing racism that easily, please wake me when masses of people aren't risking their lives to get into the Anglosphere. I'll trust them a long time before i trust yet another wumao who felt it was necessary to lie about where he's from.
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