Comments by "Bo McGillacutty" (@Mrbfgray) on "The Electric Viking" channel.

  1. Elon's politics are only offensive to weak minded extremists, he's rational and politically centrist.
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  2. Not that unions give a crap about the general welfare and economy but Tesla is the best hope for future German auto manufacturing.
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  3. GM is leading the way on 'sustainable' Li batt bonfires.
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  4. Some folks don't charge anywhere but at home for yrs at a time.
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  5. Usually all it takes is a mob of fools with not enough to do.
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  6. 80% of Americans don't know squat about CT.
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  7. "We don't care." That's NOT what Tesla said.
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  8. Best employee is no employee.
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  9. Doesn't take significant resources to burn things, any bum with a match and no purpose in life.
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  10.  @petersmangalisongoma2013  If his corrections are correct, he's doing us a service. Seems to know what he's talking about, even your heroes need accountability.
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  11. If not mistaken--this plus Elon's new "streetfighter" legal team means the end of the fraudulent tabloid Business Insider Trading.
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  12. Can't fathom any English speaker having trouble understanding Sam, he has less accent than between regions of USA, or between UK and US.
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  13. Reckless to partially submerge any vehicle not fully quipped for it, water will seep into drivetrain bearings, ball joints, electrical connections and maybe batt pack even, never mind interior getting soaked. CT apparently has batt pack protected IF pre-pressurized.
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  14. They don't have to struggle to support themselves and have no purpose in life. THAT's the problem. Product of welfare state, their easy life comes from the likes of those working at Tesla, producers. They are resentful of that fact. Enabling sloth and self destructive behavior earns disrespect.
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  15. Ausies always appreciate a proper barby.
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  16.  @yellowballoon4143  Known for being low quality by those living in the past. Update yourself, tune into Munro Live for example.
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  17. Trivial but: Sparks or Reno Nevada not Vegas. 😊
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  18. Big like and respect for Japan, I remember when they disrupted our Detroit junk options with reliability, value, endurance and utility early 1980's. But times change. Detroit desperately needed the competition in the day, they even admitted it later. Adapt or die. NOW it's Chinese brands and Tesla. (still love me olde BMWS tho, hahaha)
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  19. Never was about an ad campaign, but instead value and reliability/longevity.
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  20. Exactly, not prudent to get ahead, excess capacity requires maintenance, decays and becomes obsolete.
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  21. Same old story, this is how Tesla works, how it stays dynamic and vibrant. Are you new in this space? Endless litany of same rhetoric every couple yrs, 2018 was relentless--"Tesla losing executives like crazy! It's DOOMED!" When actually Tesla retains top executives much longer than typical Silicon Valley companies.
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  22. Jim Farley a good man saddled w impossible task, similar to a startup but different. Best wishes.
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  23. Sorry for Japan but not these companies. Let the legacies die it's healthy and necessary for capitalism to work. As a kid in rural America--we majorly relied on Sears, now largely forgotten and not missed, we got everything from car batts, tools to clothing/bed sheets to appliances to Xmas presents from Sears.
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  24. Yeah Y I no longer ride street bikes, U can avoid most accidents but NOT ALL. Been in three where I had no escape path, not my fault, not possible to dodge. Avoided 100's, many near misses, usually avoided by my instantaneous reactions, judgment and handling.
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  25. Tesla scrambling to max production. Elon said that was the short (implied mid and long) term goal, "this yr". Can't wait to see what Texas and German plants can do by yr end.
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  26. They don' much care so we shouldn't either. Our job is to resist continuous bailouts and rewarding failure.
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  27. This is 2 month old "news", long ago settled, debunked, forgotten.
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  28.  @NoiserToo  Maybe but it won't matter for long for legacy auto, from Japan to USA to Germany, they are ALL in deep predictable dire straits. BEVs done right are simply better and cheaper.
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  29. LOVE the story. North Commifornia lifer--I've ridden much of that same Highway 1, Port Angeles to Humboldt area. Very pleased you were well received in the USA!
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  30. It was only a few yrs ago when folks were complaining the price of Model 3 had dropped by $2k since they purchased a couple months prior. Seems everyone has forgotten about those series of price reductions.
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  31. One more painful step towards decoupling, can't really afford to be codependent on the CCP anymore. Much more concerned about Rare Earth production, we'll replace China supplies and they'll be without a global market, if they push too hard. Saudis embargoed oil to the USA once. Response: we doubled industrial, home, car...efficiencies, terminated oil fired electric plants (yes was a thing), developed alternatives across the board. Saudis paid for it for decade(s) w low prices, plus permanent reduced reliance.
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  32. AI says misgenering a person is worse then global thermal nuclear war.
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  33. Mr. EV must be about the most broad based EV expert of all time, seriously.
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  34. This is about as good an entry point as you'll ever likely see going forward.
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  35. And it's already a toxic wasteland, not much you can extract to make it worse. But leave it to Commifornia to find excuses to thwart it for 'environmental' reasons.
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  36. When The New York Crimes says it you can reliably dismiss it as BS.
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  37. The bigger lesson about government loans/subsidies and such is the endless accusations "Tesla only exists due to subsidies", I believe that was the lesson Elon was referring to.
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  38. Elon said an antenna small enough for a car was not foreseeable, NO WAY a phone will connect to Starlink unless you tow a trailer. End of story.
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  39. Wouldn't argue that but a smart man changes his mind sometimes, when he was F CEO he made me nervous with his slick salesmen style. I don't think he did F much good.
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  40. N Cali lifer and I'm driven to buy Cybertruck to support amazing service Elon is doing for the US. Pay for X for same reason. May do Starlink too.
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  41. 500k minimum, maybe 1M. They will scale production to meet demand.
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  42. 10 degrees will be impressive given it's 3 now.
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  43. If GM is doing it the default is they are doing it completely wrong until proven otherwise.
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  44. BYD doesn't have FSD and Tesla was never assumed to be permitted to do it in China.
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  45. 70% of the population disagrees with your tightly wrapped intolerant narrow indoctrinated view, so yeah it will likely help sales.
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  46. Nope. All it will take is economics. You are comparing giving up CARS, which is closer but also not great to your analogs. Getting the shots was a mistake if one had a choice, but that's a tangent.
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  47. Speaks to gross inefficiency, Tesla is profitable at 140k total employees globally, BYD breaks even.
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  48. Rebates don't go to Tesla they go to buyers.
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  49. But labor mafias do force, pay protection or else.
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  50.  @michaelphillips4452  True. But that's on governments, not about Tesla unless they advocate gov mandates. You should be allowed to drive your shit ICE indefinitely, brew your own fuel after gas stations die.
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  51. I welcome options including death traps like this. (if that's what it is) Choice is good. But my money would go to the Cybertruck for a host of reasons.
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  52. Yup, I park my fave old pristine BMW M3 way out in the parking lot and jog to and from it rather than have it exposed to extra traffic. And of course damage is more likely at Walmart then say Trader Joes, trashy ppl congregate in trashy places.
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  53. Over 20% of "increase" is not, it's inflation and will be higher by delivery. Prices rt where I expected, range a bit disappointing tho. Batt E-density will improve and prices come down after delivery times become reasonable.
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  54. RIP NIO's swapping nonsense given ever increasing charging speeds.
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  55. Right, efficiencies of scale dictate collapse to maybe a dozen Chinese auto mfgs...some will merge... Once were over 60 US motorcycle mfgs, dad could rattle off 6 or 8 US auto mfgs....
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  56. Also customers learning shortcomings: no OTA updates, some software issues, charging sucks, range not great...value not there, but as you say--there's always a price.
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  57. TSLA is up 50% yr over yr. 30 to 60% declines have happened every yr for last 5 yrs, situation normal. Tesla thriving and majority in USA love what Elon is doing.
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  58. Chinese market is ultra competitive, nothing like US or anywhere else. No need no way they'll sell that cheap anywhere else.
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  59. 10X zero is still zero.
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  60. One of the rescuers on the scene Tweeted paraphrased: "'I'm seriously wanting to buy a Tesla after seeing this.'"
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  61. Love shorties. Thanks Jim! Y'all transferred modest fortune to me. Come again soon.
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  62. Also there is simply less interest as no one cares about GM while anything about Tesla get's attention.
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  63. Everyone at the company must be complicit at some level. Not that many should be criminally responsible but they had to know what was going on.
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  64. And yet there exists significant extreme vitriol toward Elon from progressives across the nation. Says a lot about, not only small minds in general, (yes some strong childish hate from the far Right too) but about progressives, you are not allowed independent thoughts and billionaire=BAAAAD. Most of the open bigotry is from the Left today.
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  65. Nope. Impractical for most folks, limited storage, tricycles totally suck and solar is near useless on a car except for camping. And it will be too expensive. Cute college project tho.
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  66. Been obvious for yrs that Tesla is going to be the savior of German auto industry. (or one of, better bring in the Chinese)
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  67. To say Li batts only last about 4 hrs in nonsense, they can last 4 weeks without recharging depending on the load vs batt size.
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  68. That footage is from I-80 between Sacramento and Reno, Eastbound--multiple long stretches of 6% plus grade from a few hundred ft altitude to 8000 (not super steep), typical semis do around 35mph up and not much faster DOWNHILL due to risk of over working brakes, while car traffic can be doing 80mph plus. I've never had much of a problem with it nor seen any close calls over decades of traversing the Sierras there in part due to semis rarely passing eachother and double or triple lanes. (with exceptions of winter snow)
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  69. To me it's a much bigger deal than the CT. Not only to smash the skeptics but also proof of economics, one can argue that a personal vehicle has significant emotional element but truckers will hardcore stick to the numbers. An entirely new sector to conquer.
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  70. Tesla will go a long way toward saving German auto industry, maybe BYD too.
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  71. Reopen as Chinese brands hopefully.
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  72. Best side effect of this transition is the doom of UAW, IG-Metal and unions in general.
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  73.  @donjohnstone3707  Baloney. Competition is all it takes, and we are going to see that again like never in half a century. Government can only make everything worse and more expensive. The Big Three were trimmed to size when Japanese brands 1st came and Chinese and Tesla will see them bankrupt or close and GOOD RIDDANCE. Creative destruction is what makes us prosperous and more advanced. 25% tariffs on pickups, and similar is the problem.
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  74. If they can manage to overcome their toxic union mentality they can do far better working for Tesla, most won't be able to I suspect. Excess job opportunities in the trades in general however.
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  75. Geiko the most half assed, badly run insurance Co. ever. That's an unintended Cybertruck endorsement.
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  76.  @johnwenzel2003  And it's crucial.
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  77. Initially they may significantly increase new M3 price in order to incentivize moving the old versions, or further reduce price of old units. (ooops...then you said same thing)
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  78. Farley was having some fun--while he can, he knows a yr from now F will be forgotten, lol. Nothing wrong with that and credit for producing a handful of trucks.
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  79. Surely GM rivals Toy in terms of false promises.
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  80. That's because you don't understand what's going on or who the two characters involved are.
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  81. Tulips was an extreme example that doesn't entirely apply, that was more like Bitcoin. Commodities have real use cases and commonly overshoot 2 or 3X either way with market upsets.
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  82. Sam should move to Cali, we need more folks like him and family here. 🙂
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  83. Isn't a large portion of that debt "secured" by is products? The problem with that being that the owners of those vehicles may end up way under water and unwilling to pay them off.
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  84. Good to hear, especially that far North with far higher upfront solar costs back then. Should be relatively easy for me here in N. Commifornia lowlands, today.
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  85. There's radical transformative battery tech breaking out here everyday! :D
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  86. Y is plump sister of 3. Not great looking but acceptable. Everything else matters more.
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  87. Seeking Alfalfa, get it right. ;-)
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  88. Wall St. analysts, on average, are expecting more like 1.35M deliveries this yr. $1500 is likely by early 2023.
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  89. Those incentives are mainly used on ICE, aka., hybrids. Tesla doesn't need them and Elon is against on principle, as he should be. Such also drives essentially all the backlash against EVs. Tesla is competing very well against Chinese options in China, they'll compete even better in N. America even without tariffs. SOME tariffs are needed just to cancel out CCP subsidies. Mr. T is of course overstating his intentions as a bargaining chip.
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  90. 2014 he made ludicrous prediction of 500k deliveries in 2020, minor ruckus on Wall St. about that absurdity--happened. 2019 predicted Y would be highest revenue generator of any car in 2022 and best seller of any car in 2023--both happened. Been way wrong on FSD timing and timing in general, but big picture he's been reliable.
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  91. Can we pause to appreciate the 'mechanical art' of the plumbing and wire bundle routing around that hand? :D 0:10 Compact, efficient and relatively easy to work on.
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  92. Doesn't need to be made out of any particular material, that's silly. But correct otherwise. Start with: "how much energy is available?" Do the shocks on your car get hot? Shocks absorb essentially all that energy dissipated in any suspension. Off road racing vehicles may need small radiators from extreme stroke, frequency and velocity of suspension action, but you've never heard of anyone burning themselves on the wimpiest shock absorber from the worst abuse on normal cars, at most they may get slightly warm. That's a crude measure of energy available, very little reward possible under normal driving, so the system would need to be nearly as inexpensive as regular shocks. Wouldn't look anything like this demo and wouldn't harvest much energy. Cool idea tho.
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  93. We better watch out, guarantee he has presidential ambitions.
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  94. If they were prudent they'd done it sooner, TOO late now.
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  95. Legacy auto is F-ed, globally.
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  96. SURE Toy, and solid-state batts, mini fusion reactor, bla bla blaaa.
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  97. Don't let reality get in the way of your emotional needs.
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  98. Competitor to ANYONE? NO. When they produce and sell 100k per yr I'll check in again. Bankruptcy all but guaranteed.
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  99. What was their yr sales target? 420 units--sold OUT! :D
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  100. No one outside this community knows who Munro is.
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  101. Keep buying. 😉
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  102. Except they hitched up with a blatantly fraudulent outfit and probably only dream of milking it for a matter of months.
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  103. Lead acid batts do not catch fire, they can explode mildly, small amount of hydrogen volume, but that's different. (I've blown up 2 over the decades, one from drop of molten steel falling on top, another not tied down and bouncing around off road and arcing on hood, just lifts the lid on batt, no BFD) Sam's explanation makes little sense here.
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  104. If they want batt minerals sourced in the US they need to overhaul the regulatory process , without that NOTHING else will help. Currently it's 10 plus yrs just to get regulatory mine/mill approval, changing that takes actual leadership which is hard but would save money all around instead of more inflationary taxing PORK like this bill.
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  105. Saying he's unstable is the most laughable bit--he's been 100% mentally consistent for at least 20yrs. Frankly he's more redundant than any other criticism.
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  106.  @HoofHearted801  You may have heard of the stock market? It was created for such purposes and can carry a money losing company for as long as shareholders choose to fund it.
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  107. SOME of China's general construction goes up so fast it starts falling apart before it's finished too. :D
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  108.  @mike6669-d2j  Did check and it looks like I was wrong and you are right. Germany does have substantially smaller GDP per capita tho, roughly 1.3 the GDP w over twice the population. So not quite 2 to 1 but not way off.
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  109. Excellent? Retirement communities in the US tolerate golf carts already in some cases, that mini is basically a golf cart with doors, it has it's place.
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  110. Extra upsetting due to India-China mutual hatred.
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  111.  @xiaoka  Wasn't just price goals, it was revenue too AND he can't touch the share for 5 yrs, impossible to game it. Regardless--a deal is a DEAL, end of discussion.
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  112. I was toying with notion of buying wrecked Tesla to convert my custom service truck yrs ago, but that's a daunting project. (want 3-phase 440V output, etc.) Trouble is the custom part is extremely expensive and not likely adaptable to an EV chassis anytime soon if ever.
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  113. Unfortunately there's nothing much worse than flat box rear for drag, the trailer is the worst of it for any semi.
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  114. Nah...they're F__ked.
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  115. This has been talked about for several days.
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  116. Tesla culture encourages input direct from bottom to top if seen as necessary. NO union mafia will improve on that, in the USA they do nothing but cause conflict within.
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  117. I can't possibly hire who I can't fire.
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  118. Means Renault knows they're fucked.
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  119. Was a time when Detroit Auto was so crucial to USA...or so it seemed.
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  120. Because he does Tesla stats almost every day and Tesla isn't a Chinese company, it's American. Notice he also didn't cover BMW, VW, Ford....etc.
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  121. As N. American--Commifornian to be specific--I cheer for Ausies advancement and ALL of us decoupling from China as fast as possible.
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  122.  @proximoAZ  Price will have to come down to say reach 1M/yr but give it a few yrs, 500k easy at say $65k.
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  123. Yeah stating with being NON-union.
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  124. "Hottest yr on record" but not near as hot as the recent geological record, Medieval Warm period was 1.5C hotter.
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  125. Top speed of 100kph?? That's a road hazard on the highway, should be banned on asphalt.
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  126. The Bolt is decent if they fixed the batt fire problems, as a city car, rubbish for road trips and if they reduce the price they'll lose even more on them, if they don't it's not even close to competitive. They don't and won't foreseeably produce anything else at volume that matters. (hopefully they just fade away instead of bailed out on my dime again, diminished to the point they are irrelevant anyway)
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  127. Sure raising petrol prices will reduce consumption but also help OPEC and damage US economy and energy independence. Silver lining--helps solidify the self destruction of JB and Dems.
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  128. IDK...Peter is pretty sketchy.
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  129. 90% chance of that result for any government program.
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  130. You thinking of stealership markup mainly? Cred to Ford regardless.
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  131. Yeah it takes time but interesting how we find more of what we value and seek, happens every time. (10X more petroleum available today then 20 yrs ago)
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  132. Yes. Service has apparently (at least in much of USA) already improved/improving service and charging infra is growing exponentially with streamlined installation methods and ramping production.
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  133. Seriously doubt ammonia is carcinogenic, it's organic stuff with us since dawn of animals, piss in one place 10X in a week and you generate plant loving ammonia. (just say'n, not arguing with the rest, and ammonia reacted with other things is another matter)
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  134. Easy come easy go as for the workers. GOOD riddance for me, as you mentioned, both Co.s lived well beyond their expiry date and we get what we ask for when propping up poorly manage companies and their goddamned unions. Best outcome is they just fade away like Sears, which was more essential than any auto Co. in rural America for a century, no one misses them now....hopefully they are diminished to the point no longer too big to fail later this decade, they're F'ed anyway.
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  135. Wow that's some sophisticated shopping, never mind it's "the worst car ever tested" this century.
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  136. For decades only old folks stuck in the past have purchased the likes of Buick or Caddy in the USA....imagine it will be the same for this one.
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  137. An "engine out front" transfers the impact, does not absorb it which is what you need. Be it electric or ICE, a motor in your lap isn't pretty, but as you suggest--space is required to accommodate crushable structure, one of the reasons T-bone accidents can be so bad is there is little room between passenger and outside edge of most any car.
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  138. Listen to what he says and does, don't overthink it. Media hype continues to mislead along with random opinions running wild.
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  139. Looks like Texas will be first to build new platform cars, not Mexico, so it can happen much sooner, maybe next yr.
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  140. WELL earned. Capitalism works.
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  141. Losses over 5 yrs? One or 2 yrs isn't close to her investment time horizon.
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  142. That's why it's called North American Charging Standard.
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  143. That's the attitude that earns you similar injustice one day.
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  144. Those patents will expire before it matters.
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  145. I figured they'd struggle with software and more, but seems worse than most of us thought across the board. It's a cleansing, old industries tend to become lethargic and laden with self inflicted non-essential costs, bureaucracy and hurdles. Bye bye Block Buster, Sears and Blackberry. Was good knowing ya Toyota and VW...GM not so much, lol.
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  146.  @icosthop9998  I come from Honda Toyota family in recent decades. You aren't wrong. Oh well, times change, better to be a Tesla fanboy today....whoever earns it and pushes the industry forward.
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  147. HOPEFULLY NOT in some ways as we lead the nation for some highly self destructive policies. (also Cali native)
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  148. Ausie would be next best modest market for CT. Special kinship between US and Ausieland, fellow rebels, colonists (lol), w wide open spaces. No nation I'd rather be associated w, hope y'all get the CT soon. Tell us how many salty cocs it thwarted. Thailand could be big market.
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  149. Not entirely true, software maybe but they have some exceptional engineering. None of that will matter if they can't deliver affordable cars at a profit, if that is what you meant--you are correct.
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  150.  @hoppingrabbit9849  GOOG, MSFT, AAPL and AMZN combine to $8T today, could easily be 20T mid decade, none of them are growing or innovating remotely as fast as Tesla is and will, energy and autonomous/AI are vast playgrounds. 20T TSLA in todays dollars is not a huge stretch by 2030.
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  151. As a patriotic American--I don't want to bailout, help out F or GM. They need to reap what they sow or starve, we need to let markets work.
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  152.  @Battleneter  Quit panicking and pretending that something new is happening. Get perspective, Elon thrives on drama and apparently his enterprises do too. It's always portrayed as "unhinged and destructive" but never turns out to be. Happens every yr to one degree or another. If you are a Noob investor, this may not be for you, think S&P instead.
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  153. Conspiracy to suppress is a hell of a stretch, that's not even possible, and they should get credit for creating the EV1, curtailing it was later recognized as a big mistake (by the CEO of the time) but they couldn't cost effectively support the small number out there, it only had a 40 mile range and they couldn't see a way forward with it. Batt tech simply wasn't ready for beyond short range with heavy lead acid batts that wouldn't last many yrs. Presumably that's why it was leased instead of sold outright. That said--I look forward to GM's extinction for a host of other reasons.
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  154. Another failing channel attempting to become relevant??
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  155.  @remliqa  Examples? Don't care about opinions without rational basis. I think you are indoctrinated and PROJECTING. Prove me wrong.
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  156.  @remliqa  1) it was GM not Tesla that lobbied for those subsidies and they didn't come close to offsetting fossil fuel subsidies. GET IT?? They have never and certainly not now depend on them. 2) do you realize that our Covid response caused 1MX more damage than it prevented? Shutdowns and all the rest saved none and killed many That is not disputable and should have been suspected from day one. WHO THE HELL are YOU to tell me to lockdown?!? Do it yourself. 3) WTF?? 4) Biden is owned by the money he collected for decades from the most corrupt entity in America, the UAW. You OK with that?? 5) WTF again?? 6) WTF???? Get HELP dude. It's not the universe it's YOU.
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  157. As it becomes increasingly Authoritarian? Ppl have been struggling to pay their power bills there for yrs.
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  158. Here in the colonies, Mack has been the cartoon and classic reference for big bad truck for half a century (no disrespect to Frieghtliner, Pete, etc.)
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  159. "GM's technology" hahaha
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  160. TSLA done in for the 69th time. Sell SELL SELL!
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  161. Internal aspirations of 35 I hear.
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  162. Not a new idea to have "loser pays" policies as I believe many Western nations do. That puts a damper on frivolous suits.
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  163. Passed old Model S today, at speed only way to date it was the fake grill, still looked very good and modern. New gen S significantly more attractive tho subtle differences, they got it pretty much right the 1st time. Dramatic styling looks dumb and ages fast. 3 also mostly nice looking in 'timeless' way. I hope they add adaptive laser headlights, lessor brands blow Tesla lights away, at least as an option maybe not for everyone, I'd pay a few grand extra. Country/mountain night driving they really shine--could prevent hitting deer or rock in the road, reduce stress significantly.
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  164. I used to spend 20 or 30 minutes idling my V8 1-ton service truck on a 10 or 20F morning to thaw it out, that means wasted range and time, time that a BEV will do on it's own.
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  165. Massive risk due to all but certain failure of Fisker as a viable company.
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  166.  @trythis2821  Yeah this thread is populated with ignorance.
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  167. Has been for some yrs now.
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  168. LOVE to see Sam in a CT in Ausieland! Natural habitat for both. 🙂 Tesla seems committed to get CT to y'all.
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  169. Hang on couple more yrs. 😉
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  170. They've been common for over half a century, that's where the term "its the third rail" meaning deadly, comes from. Battery trains you mean? All the high speed trains in Euro and Asia are of course electric.
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  171. If this dude actually votes against he's an idiot, share price will immediately suffer and long term prospects for Tesla greatly diminished.
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  172. I disagree--phone books while obsolete are still potentially useful. 😉
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  173. It's a lot more than a tear down report, how about how in feels, handles, drives...
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  174. My first industrial job starting at 17 taught me that union members generally don't give a damn about taking down the company they "work for".
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  175. One more reason for Ausies to revolt. :D That's obscene.
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  176. Nice to have U enjoy Cali again Welcome anytime. 😉
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  177. The family should be sued to oblivion for their child putting everyone on the road at lethal risk.
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  178.  @gerryburde5663  That's crucial but efficiency hasn't improved significantly over same time frame. 20% will eventually become say 40% but it hasn't yet.
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  179. Anything to trim reliance on China is good for the rest of us. Hope it works out well. Cheers from N. Commifornia!
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  180. Call them Tweets to distinguish from other platform posts. We still say "filming" tho photo film almost doesn't exist.
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  181. EV bans and mandates are unnecessary and highly counterproductive, driving the massive EV backlash and rightly so.
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  182. Let the market work, not everything has to be forced on folks, most things are taken care of by economics and self interest.
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  183. Based on original plans it LOOKS like they are only 1/3 built out.
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  184. Isn't that new BEV Nissan supposed to be pretty good? It's largely too little too late regardless it seems.
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  185. That happens every yr for TSLA, 50% plus, not 80%, still we are up 10X from mid 2019. Judge the company and situation not the price action. (I don't know NIO well enough but batt swap is dumb)
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  186. I'd be impressed if either Farley or Bara reduced their salaries to near zero with massive stock compensation redeemable incrementally after 2030, it's a sham not to have compensation tied to performance.
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  187. Numbers say Tesla AP is extra safe, 'order of magnitude' safer, end of story. lol.
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  188. Tesla doesn't necessarily want those locations, it's often one of the things wrong with them.
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  189. It will start off $80 to $100k plus then less expensive versions will gradually come. I'll be happy with $70k but I'm not buying one anytime soon, lol.
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  190. Saw my first Rivian in bank parking lot couple wks ago but this IS California.
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  191.  @RandomDogLover  We are going electric one way or another, USA grid will require roughly 30% more capacity (including, or minus individual home solar and storage naturally) over 8 or 10 yrs. That's about 4% increase annually similar to the decade when air conditioning first became common. Doable. I expect to be personally energy independent in several yrs.
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  192. Exactly. Bout time everyone ignore her sales of TSLA, it has zero meaning in terms of her conviction.
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  193. It'll have an auto quench mode and drive self into nearest large body of water or nearby swimming pool to cool off.
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  194. Imagine having communications while hiking outback. lol (in the Sierras, etc) Mixed bag, access is also prison.
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  195. NOT 500k, 50k units in 2024! Still a LOT of big trucks.
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  196. YES there are absolute limits. Engineering is defined as applied math and physics, neither of those allow anything that you can dream up but instead set stringent limitations. This night energy is so tiny it's barely worth mentioning.
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  197. Despite the best efforts of our horrifically stupid governments in recent yrs. (speaking mainly for my USA, others can judge their own)
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  198. The "quick silver" with black wheels almost looks like different version on same platform, probably be my choice.
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  199. CAREFUL in the sun, Vikings are not genetically equipped to tolerate much UV. ;-)
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  200. Just the biggest share of ALL cars in the US. BEV share was always guaranteed to decrease, and irrelevant, while volume continues to grow indefinitely.
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  201. No shortage of smaller pickup demand in USA either.
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  202. What BEV has Sam not ordered? :D
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  203.  @ddrhazy  You are assuming aproximately linear progress which could become exponential instead changing everything. If we don't screw up the foundations of civilization too badly, not a given, exponential growth is likely just as global GDP has been for prior millennia.
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  204. Already being done with high efficiency with profitability on the horizon. Try informing yourself before broadcasting ignorance.
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  205.  @scaryfakevirus  Or far worse--that they allow ICE vehicles in them. Did you watch the vid? Bye bye automobiles, back to horse carts!
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  206. How long before 35 mph downgrade semi limits are removed for electrics? Seems they should be exempt after proving they can dissipate gravitational potential E 4X as fast via regen.
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  207. Yes and the 'firewall' is symmetrical in regards to steering hardware. Looked like wheel could be installed left or right equally easily.
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  208. Not in most of the USA today.
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  209.  @IndyHorsepower  You are living in the past on that. Freemont built still have minor issues but all other factories are turning out consistent quality builds.
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  210.  @IndyHorsepower  OH...and only Toyota has wheels falling off, that's worse than panel gaps. lol
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  211. Cars are used as weapons constantly.
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  212. Don't consider until it proves to be a decent car.
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  213. Number of patents is irrelivant. Japanese auto seems as screwed as German and USA legacies.
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  214.  @HydrogenFuelTechnologies  May I suggest you buy all the NKLA you can get your hands on. 😄
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  215. This could be a big opportunity for Native tribes, much more proper than the casino monopoly they have here in farther N. California. But IDK the particulars in TX.
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  216.  @cerverg  Welcome to virtue signaling society.
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  217.  @75Chopin  Please don't buy a Tesla at all, as one up to my eyeballs in TSLA, much prefer the brand NOT be represented by mindless NPCs.
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  218. More like when the Japanese came in volume late 1970's, GM had half the entire US market before that, GOOD RIDDANCE to the sloppy lousy Co.s and the damned unions.
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  219. Interior is one of dozen deal make or breakers. You have to find it a nice place to BE.
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  220. Anyone else remember when Wall St. panned Tesla for building the charging infrastructure at all? Elon usually knows where he's going and what he's doing, rapid adjustments are part of his method.
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  221. Anyone remember the 1st company to cheat emissions test machines? (to get caught that is) It was Cummins some 20 yrs ago.
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  222. They can get them by building and sourcing in N. America.
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  223. Are you new here? This happens every couple yrs w Tesla. 2018 was a nonstop din of doom over "departing executives".
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  224. More government means more waste and we all pay for it. (here in Commifornia things are even worse)
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  225. Good that someone has a crystal ball. Thanks for the tip, no one else on Earth can make such predictions with any reliability.
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  226. Union built with pride.
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  227. Yeah...speculation of $9.99 sounded more likely.
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  228.  @rap3208  Yeah sure and he's scared stiff of failing GM, VW...you name it. How do you get so detached from reality? Drugs? Emotional needs dictating your beliefs? If it feels good believe it, I guess.
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  229. "Endurance" is going to be the standing joke, wish them well but.....bad design, looks horrid, dishonest. What's not to loath?
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  230. Why would anyone want THAT? Last place you want excess mass in in the wheels (unsuspended mass should always be minimized), terrible for suspension and efficiency plus abusing the motors.
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  231.  @22phan  Still stuck in 20th century rhetoric, huh? By time you figure out which way is up Toy will be dead and forgotten.
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  232. Safe bet that if petrol, aka., gasoline were first introduced TODAY there'd be no way you'd be allowed to handle it personally as we take for granted.
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  233. Agreeing to build supporting infrastructure isn't exactly a gift to Tesla, it's required for all related extra development. Temporary cutting taxes is a gift, a sensible one. Government taking some risk along with Tesla and the rest, they have skin in the game and incentive to help make it payoff.
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  234. It matters because the corrosive corrupt UAW goes down with you, that's PROGRESS Mary!
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  235. No John McCain fan except in a few cases--he tried hard twice in the '90's to overhaul campaign finance, etc., the root of the problem. Our political system is inherently corrupting.
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  236. Also--does the regulatory environment even allow rapid development? Seems Ausieland has an excess government problem but I wouldn't know for sure.
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  237. Tesla is upsetting so much more than a century of drive train types...we will all be measurably more prosperous for it.
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  238.  @kadmow  I grow a ton of different crops as a home gardener here in hot dry baking sun in N. Commifornia and I know more sun is better for MOST things. (also affiliated with local commercial farming, longer days and MORE sun is almost always better) That still leaves a lot of other crops that benefit from less sun, I seek such produce because shade is cheap and not much produces in it. Can't escape the fundamental that photosynthesis requires light, more light equals more production. Couldn't decipher your CO2 bit but more CO2 is absolutely great for ALL plant life on Earth. High value greenhouse crops often use 2000ppm CO2 and would benefit more with 4000 except for diminishing returns, cost of the gas exceeds additional production. Humans and pollinators not effected by such concentrations.
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  239.  @kadmow  Some examples: tomatoes, peppers, squash, melons, onions can do OK in 6 hrs of direct sun but do far better in 10 or 12 hrs, corn, wheat, any grain wants max direct sun, same for every fruit and nut you can name other than some tropical/subtropical understory trees. What crops are you thinking of? Brassicas maybe?
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  240.  @kadmow  I grow everything you mention, do YOU? Yes avocadoes are understory plants when young and tend to prefer afternoon shade until say 5 plus yrs old, I have around 20 avo trees mostly in the ground some in pots. When mature they want a ton of sun but can do reasonably well with half day direct sun. ALL day is far better. Radishes carrots tomatoes want FULL SUN. Have you grown any of this stuff?
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  241. Kentucky is a bit of culture shock from here in Commifornia. They may slightly delay transition but it's OK, market forces will win anyway.
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  242. Curb wt of 10.5 or 11k lbs? And 200kwh batt, just impractical and too expensive.
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  243. Red SUCKS absolutely agree, it's OK only when perfect condition but then it's too garish anyway. But that 'midnight cherry' is fantastic, still wouldn't own it for practicle reasons and the 'liquid silver' is excellent too and more user friendly.
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  244. Jim Farley reminds me of a typical football coach hyping up the troops and investors reality be (half) damned.
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  245. I've seen a rundown recently (forget where) concluding Tesla employees are about doubly compensated vs legacies...that's before stock options I believe, which have made many Tesla workers moderately wealthy of course.
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  246. It burns for about an hour.
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  247.  @mrspeigle1  Theoretically more than actually. Same with the tulips as they were used as currency, in both cases the value is completely arbitrary. Both can be replaced with any number of other mediums of exchange.
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  248. Perhaps Honda should entirely focus on battery mowers, small boat motors, motorcycles, etc. Even short range E aircraft, they sell small jets already. They could still compete there.
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  249. First red flags were way before that, just the stupidity of "the next Tesla" was enough to stay clear of all the upstarts, other than a quick trade.
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  250.  @p0kerp1aya  And all the racial condescension and anti-social justice couched in "diversity" nonsense, etc. It's not only open but demanded. To me social justice is Meritocracy. Leftist have completely left Martin Luther King's ideals of judging a person by character instead of color. Ppl need to be challenged on these things.
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  251.  @Anonymous------  I wish them success and if miraculously they can build them for say $40k USD? They'd have something, not anything I want but some will. Be surprised if they ever build for less that $100k/copy even cheap and crude as the demo rig seemed to be.
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  252. Seeking Alfalfa should stick to what they know--farming.
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  253. Few here an Cali too, lol. Governments typically back the losing horse, flush resources down the toilet.
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  254.  @PelleGIT  He's regurgitating mindless indoctrination, all the evidence counters his cult.
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  255. REAL men will go bare SS.
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  256. It's starting in Austin TX, then the rest of World.
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  257. Markets ALWAYS sort this stuff out in relatively timely fashion, but as implied there are market warping influences--particularly governments which are effected by Establishment forces. H2 is DOA as land transport fuel, been 'obvious' for a decade. Rockets maybe but it's even proved to be a failure there recently.
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  258. Yeah just swap the entire car and save a TON.
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  259. Trump is leveraging a threat of tariffs, way early to fret over any of this, it's his way of bargaining and generally works well.
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  260. Depends, driving consumes way more than all the power tools u could run combined.
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  261. Ppl panicking out low are lacking a few things, basic market savvy and market discipline, and not DOING the HOMEWORK required for their personal conviction requirements. They were not investing they were gambling.
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  262. You will trust it when it earns it for you personally, and it will. Good point that it need not be autonomous to be valuable.
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  263. Often wondered the same thing. They must be damn good at it but it's a concern as an investor. A key reason to keep a footprint in Si Valley despite the toxic political environment.
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  264. I believe the price will be high for couple yrs than lower cost versions gradually available, never be an econobox tho. 250 units per yr seems way low, think Elon was sandbagging a bit but it could take couple yrs to get to 500k plus.
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  265.  @tatata1543  BYD also has no effort to autonomous, they'll be dependent on Tesla for that like everyone else.
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  266. Yeah and they lost that fight.
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  267. Still need to prove mass production. Hopeful. Deadline looming at yr end, make them cost competitive or cancel program. (reportedly)
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  268. Tesla is too sensible and practicle to compare to Harley. It's an everyone's car not a silly political statement, that's the past.
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  269. Yeah it was far worse back then, all of this has nothing to do with CO2 however, which is harmless to humans and essential for life on Earth, more is better. It's about most everything else out of tail pipes other than water vapor.
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  270. No. Just adapted. 3 and Y aren't identical either.
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  271. Fuzzy memory, hahaha, Creepy Joe doesn't know what planet he's on.
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  272. Over 20% inflation counts.
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  273. Nope, nor 48V architecture. Those will wait for completely new designs.
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  274.  @EdwardsNH  It's about how much of an entirely new vehicle they are ready to take on. Going steer by wire means 48V which means entirely new supply chains for plethora of parts and major--like new model ramp instead of a quick ramp like Threefresh. Likely X will be canceled before that happens, maybe S as well.
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  275. GM getting involved confirms it's a bad idea. What are the economics like in Netherlands? (H2 price compared to electric and petrol)
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  276.  @mahes303  Those are extremely high electric rates, even here in Commifornia we pay some $0.18/kWh, grid power, it's closer to half that in much of the country.
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  277. No commitment has been made.
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  278. What has Elon said that's inappropriate? I'm highly pleased and amused by his tweets.
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  279.  @tedmoss  Dealer buy the pols.
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  280. Nothing wrong with Viking addressing this, but he's talking about petty children here. This is trivial gossip.
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  281. Surely at some point they'll break out the CT, it'll be big numbers. When Tesla is proud of production rate. ;-)
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  282.  @ronvandereerden4714  YOU can live in a high rise or apartments, I won't. I need my space, a place to grow my own food, thrive in my own beautiful little gardens. Live your own religion don't try to impose it on me. Your metrics of efficiency have arbitrary focus.
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  283.  @karlwest437  Indoor smoking bans did not cause more folks to smoke and even if it did it's none of your business or concern. EV mandates are retarding adoption rates via a somewhat justified visceral backlash. So if delaying the transition is your goal, keep advocating force and expect half the population to dig in their heels.
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  284. Seriously? That makes bankruptcy OK? You don't make money by losing it, a write off is essential or you'd be taxing profits that don't exist. Example: A grocery store writes off payroll and price of goods sold, etc., profits are what is left (around several % for a supermarket) after all costs are subtracted. If they, say donate to charity, that entire profit then they themselves are a non-profit, they have NO profits to tax! GOOD GRIEF, this non-thinking mythology is shockingly dumb.
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  285. It's laughably impossible. No such thing as greater than 100% efficiency and todays common panels are around 20% that means, naively--5X improvement possible, but actual considerably less.
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  286.  @mrwhips3623  Time to outgrow Thunderf00t, what has he accomplished?? NOTHING. Creating hatred and bullshit doesn't qualify. He's convincing to naïve children and self loathing failures who FAIL BC they externalize, project and envy. PATHETIC
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  287. Yup...best hope for German Auto, been clear for yrs.
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  288. Childishly dumb conclusion. Toy investors care about Toyota and they can't make compelling BEVs let alone profitably.
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  289.  @billcichoke2534  Tesla makes far more per vehicle than Toy does and it's essentially the only one making money at all on BEVs. Toy will either be bailed out, radically downsized or dead by end of decade. They had a great run but failed to change with the times and are drowning in debt with no cohesive consistent path forward.
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  290.  @frankcoffey  Let the market work. No incentives required for BEVs even with $6 trillion USD global annual subsidies for fossil fuels tipping the scales. Beyond that I have NO IDEA what your on about. BEVs won, get over it already
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  291. Perfectly represents his kind.
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  292. As a child one of dad's colleagues who'd purchased one of the 1st Mazda's on American soil, he ran it out of coolant then admittedly, foolishly refilled it with cold water while still hot, cracked the block, Mazda gave him a new engine anyway as they were bent on establishing a toehold, it worked.
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  293. Pumps?? How about the $3M USD in equipment to supply those pumps and then sell it for 5X electric and 2X petrol
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  294. CR seems to simply count reported issues but there's a big diff between the wheels falling off (Toyota) and a door seal or paint defect.
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  295. Unless absolutely necessary it's very dumb thing to do, CT at least has pre-pressurized batt pack option but what about the rest of it? Flooded cars are typically totaled cars.
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  296. LIKE that rainy painting over left shoulder, good taste there Sir.
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  297. JUST the physical clumsiness of of non-Tesla chargers tells the story.
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  298. Net energy output above zero says nothing about economically above zero.
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  299.  @tjhessmon4327  LOL! He was there 18 yrs, that's a fifty yr career anywhere else. He's wealthy AF and surely really does want to spend time with family, as deliberately misleading as that typically is.
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  300. That's not accurate, they don't make a ton but make some on them. Every branch of Tesla must stand on it's own.
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  301. That could be irrelevant if parts/supplies can't get through which seems to be the primary limiting factor here.
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  302.  @jestercat7723  They have the option of very mild couple thousand miles (not some teenager hot rodding it) or pay $2/3k for delivery and wait a week or two more. Smart money takes the discount and that trivial extra mileage means nothing at 50k plus miles.
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  303. Just another obsolete hybrid, excessively complicated and still an ICE vehicle but with extra fuel efficiency canceled by cost and inevitable problems.
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  304.  @nox5555  You need to learn what the term slavery means, Good GRIEF what a childish naïve comment.
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  305. Creative destruction, cleansing. Few Corps should last that long anyway.
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  306.  @jefflittle8913  Everyone knows that, but it's more debatable than simply leveling the playing field. Free trade is generally healthy with major exceptions of adversaries. Having 80% of advanced chips made in Taiwan, for example, is asking for trouble. Or Germany relying on Russian gas. And losing our mfg base is not great. However--it obviously makes no sense to grow mangos in Montana or make airliners or autos in Costa Rica, some things are no brainer low friction trade ideals.
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  307. HEY! I be building barn right now. 🙃
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  308.  @tedmoss  U-joints, bearings and such are not generally water proof, "sealed" is relative. This is why special grease is used in boat trailer bearings, grease more water phobic then other common greases. Best to assume water intrudes into any moving parts submerged and especially submerged while rotating/moving. I wouldn't pay much for a car I knew had driven thru 2 ft of water.
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  309.  @ahaveland  Pressure washing could be even worse, "sealed" bearings are generally pretty good at keeping dust and grime out. They must have sleeves (or similar) that slide past eachother, no absolute seal is possible between two moving parts.
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  310. The best generalist expert on car batts that I know of.
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  311. I seriously doubt it will be remotely convenient to remove and replace, it's meant to be installed at Tesla and left in bed. What does it weigh? 600lbs maybe?
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  312. Tesla doesn't have 200k employees GLOBALLY.
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  313. Quit projecting. Many have integrity that you lack. Did he say something false or misleading? If so WHAT?
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  314. Exactly, it will not look anything like CT. Angular sharp edged flat surfaces are structurally, mass and especially aerodynamically inefficient. CT may be aero for a pickup but the sharp lines definitely do not help, Elon once said as much too.
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  315. As one who's worked on my own vehicles for decades, that's extraordinary and very pleasing if you have take it apart and reassemble!
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  316. That's how, our tax dollars, not called Government Motors for nothing.
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  317.  @chrismuller2780  You entirely missed the point. Energy comes in many forms but the most common default is heat, that's where suspension systems today dissipate the energy to dampen rebound. THEREFORE; heat generated, in the case of current cars it's in the 'shock absorbers', IS A MEASURE OF ENERGY AVAILABLE. Understand? Obviously you want to avoid turning it into heat you can't use, some will always end up as heat but in this case you want to--say intermittently light an LED strip, lol....and that's about all it could do, realistically.
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  318. Nio will be lucky to exist long enough.
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  319. Time for a revolution. ;-)
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  320. Nothing wrong with apposing policies but still adapting to and taking advantage of them.
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  321. Also Elon is not know to 'play the market', personal wealth has never been his priority.
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  322. If U tow the wheelchair behind it will take 3 passengers.
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  323. Tesla: "We have this looming massive planetary problem, let's create a lean mean brilliant machine to SOLVE IT!" GM: "What's this company for??"
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  324. Wasn't clear to Tesla /Elon that AI would be required to solve autodriving, (just coined new word!) until a couple yrs ago.
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  325. 400 miles will be available and affordable by '25, you will likely change your mind by then too as maintenance, convenience and operating costs will be dramatically lower. (ironically I also don't want an EV and intend to run my 'old' 2011 BMW M3 as long as I can, but it's NOT a vehicle for most for similar reasons that a motorcycle isn't either)
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  326. Right on target about then vs now Tesla energy has understandably been back burnered in terms of value added to the company.
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  327. Swapping a bad idea that will fail.
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  328. If you like to gamble maybe, smart investors win, gamblers lose.
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  329. WHAT? That's a done deal History. Compare TSLA to Apple, Goog, any legacy auto...over last yr. Recessions and macro matter short term.
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  330. It's the least my beloved Commifornia can do. :D As a farther N. Cali lifer.
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  331. There needs to be anti-monopolistic laws for unions just like there are for industries. Not just over there but here in the USA too, they are all mafias.
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  332. Government Motors, that's all you need to know, governments rarely make sense.
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  333. Need not happen that soon but will happen. Also the used market will become 'the poor man's choice' in a few yrs with fine options at half original price.
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  334. Look at the passion of those GM workers as they shuffle around bored to death and barely conscious!
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  335. 10X a 20% efficient solar panel?? (or anything) Complete NONSENSE
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  336.  @michaelmay9958  Happy trails, looking forward to customer reports. :D
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  337. Undoubtedly and indirectly as well as directly...I was thinking same thing.
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  338. WTF is wrong with ppl even making car payments at all? If you can't pay twice in CASH you can't afford it! Simple.
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  339.  @crazzyoboy  Very old tech that such systems are filled with air not water, air blast out first and water follows.
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  340. Later yes, not in the beginning because demand will be high and they need to have a big enough price difference between old version and new in order to sell old stock. Also innitial production rate will be relatively slow, ramping up for several quarters.
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  341. I'm holding out for the Electra Bonfire edition.
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  342. Same but with increasingly hideous cheesy chrome plastic grills and such so your neighbor knows you have the latest POS.
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  343. Similar to Elon?? Can't remember that compare before. :D
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  344. Tesla coattails are stupidly long. Sincere best wishes for Rivian and Lucid, we need more upstarts but that doesn't mean I'm betting on them. Whatever one believes about Elon they should know he speaks his mind, right or wrong, often enough right.
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  345. Isn't a large portion of that debt "secured" by is products? The problem with that being that the owners of those vehicles may end up way under water and unwilling to pay them off.
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  346.  @cyclopsvision6370  And if the BEV scenario plays out as it seems--the value of even a pristine ICE vehicle may have near zero value long before it's worn out. Not entirely convinced that will be the case but seems likely this decade. Also not entirely thrilled with that scenario, still love me 'old' BMW M3, visceral analog, 3 pedals, screaming high revving V8, a replacement for the high performance motorcycles of my youth. Just man machine and the road, not near ready to give that up.
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  347. Everyone implicitly understands that unions are not creators of value and wealth but leaches, mostly customers just want best car per peso.
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  348. Fundamentally uneconomic. End of discussion.
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  349. Spot on about the loser haters, they might envy the results of someone like Elon but they wouldn't last a solitary month of his work ethic.
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  350.  @xraylife  Lol. Luddite. I'd never trust a phone without a button keyboard, NEVER. Never mind a post 1980's airliner.
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  351. Going back several decades: We always considered Car & Driver, Road & Track and similar, to serve their advertisers well not necessarily us consumers.
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  352. Tad trivial but S Plaid independent dyno rated it at about 1120hp, not 1020. (typical for Tesla to understate power I believe)
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  353. This has been a running storyline for 5 yrs to a decade now.
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  354. As 62 Commifornia Lifer--no fan of this sort of pork/activism, $8 of $10 will be pissed against the wall w chargers that don't work or don't work well at best, badly located...typical government fail compared to say, Tesla network. But we've done worse than this, like H2 fuel stations...lol.
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  355. Current versions have far fewer issues than any other American car but NO computers?? That'll never happen from anywhere, that's a literal golf cart. No computers would be far to dangerous for Tesla standards and not even legal.
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  356. Eventually (decades out) batts will be used up even for stationary use and recycling should provide most of the raw materials needed for new batts.
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  357. I vote against anything that further punishes the most productive in our state and accelerates their exodus. We are already suffering massively from the Communist mentality. And this one was guaranteed to be much money flushed down the toilet with over priced charging network that doesn't work.
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  358.  @icosthop9998  It makes zero sense to have 18 month backlog and allowing new owners to flip car for $5k profit, that's $5k more Tesla should capture not give away. So those price increases were unavoidable, Elon has always indicated he wants them lower, just a matter of time and production ramp up.
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  359. Dumb method no matter the situation.
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  360. Bout time they fixed that. (T fanboi here)
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  361. Some reviews rate it as laughably bad.
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  362. Subsidized electric prices? That's unbelievably cheap....good on you and them.
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  363. Ironic as hell. I along with many thought that would have been resolved BEFORE committing to a build like this. TX is supposed to represent free wheeling Capitalism and this flies in the face of that. Bring on the Native American tribes. :D
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  364.  @peternystrom921  Open market?? This is the result of old obsolete paradigm and corrupt GOVERNMENT. Not open enough market A dose of socialism in action, not even Texas is immune.
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  365.  @FlorestanTrement  HE need not be present, just turn the legal team loose. Slander like that has real consequences, stupid opinions are one thing but factual claims , statements should also carry consequences.
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  366.  @vec306  As 62 Commifornia Lifer I might be granted tad more street cred then average. :D Thanks, I assume many understand that take. (((why do I stay?....natural landscape and climate, addicted to High Sierras, redwoods, etc...allergic to flatlands and loath humidity, lol)))
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  367. Why are these folks even thinking about a new car? It's always been the biggest waste of money.
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  368.  @arthurdiaz9184  Every aware yr of my life, half a century, I've heard such dire predictions. "Economists have predicted 8 of the last 3 recessions." Randos have worse track record. I'm doing well, why not U?
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  369.  @waynefergusson9987  Fill your car's tires 3/4 full of water and take it for a drive then get back to me. Do you have any engineering background at all? I do...not that titles mean shit just real world study and experience.
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  370. Yeah but the notion "investors are fleeing" doesn't much match recent reality, flat for last yr.
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  371.  @FifthGate  Including billions just last yr. Best hope is they'll be diminished to the point they are no longer considered too big to fail, and we need to contact our representatives to do our bit.
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  372. I'd be happy to get one in a few yrs after 4680 advancements in energy density, range improvements and endless other tweaks implemented.
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  373. Commies.
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  374. Bots building wiring harnesses would be huge
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  375. Don't personally recall anyone around me getting body parts caught in closing car window, but common sense safety guard. On surface-- it's an easy OTA update with risk of causing some other deficiency, window stopping to easily in winter weather or old mechanicals....ultimately Tesla will probably adjust for each particular window resistance history, hahaha.
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  376.  @craigme2583  BEV mfgs and probably even more prudently delaying purchases entirely for a few yrs while BEV market matures and becomes more affordable. (see the 'valley of death' chart?)
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  377. Porsche has a 2 spd and it doesn't result in an efficient vehicle. Gear boxes use energy too. Spinning an E-motor faster is nothing like spinning a reciprocating engine faster.
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  378. If it falls another 80% I might be slightly interested, but probably not. Investors didn't lose a dime on NKLA, those were reckless naïve gamblers.
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  379. You don't think wheels falling off isn't inherently entertaining??
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  380. 5:46 that one block is 600 cars.
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  381.  @cerealkilla4eva  Define price gouging? The fact that Teslas are STILL able to sell more 2nd hand than new means the Tesla is not charging enough. Prices will eventually retreat when conditions allow or demand it. It's not for YOU to decide what price others charge or pay for anything, you decide how much to get for your own productivity and how much you will pay for items, that's ALL
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  382. German solar potential is similar to Alaska, NOT the first place you want to use solar PV. Texas and California have twice the potential.
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  383.  @danharold3087  I'm not politically oriented enough to have strong opinion on more than 2 parties, there are some good arguments against it but IDK.
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  384. It'll happen but it may require early adaptors to make substantial presence first, many in the US don't charge anywhere but at home for yrs at a stretch. Yes that means limited utility in the short term but most have more than one car, the other can be ICE for now.
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  385.  @Battleneter  HOW LONG have you been involved in this? Obviously you are not mentally equipped to handle it if this sort of thing panics you. I've been thru far harder times just in last 6 yrs, it was harder still before that. Did you think it was going to be EASY? Did you think easy money was ever possible??
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  386. The mandates are retarded virtue signaling for same reason. As Tesla investor I appreciate rolling them back, let the competition relax a little. 😄
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  387. Also the mandates drive a ton of anti-BEV sentiment.
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  388. In some instances but I believe many crops want max sun exposure. Obviously it takes a tiny fraction of farm land. Individual home owners can often produce more power than they can use for home and cars, urban and industry will need more than their roofs and parking lots tho.
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  389. Seriously...wish them great success. If I had half a dozen personal cars I could see one being that novelty item.
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  390. Chinese vs Japanese racism is strong but not new.
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  391. Sleepy Joe couldn't give a flying fig about reality, his entire focus is paying back his clients in Detroit.
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  392. She simply trades around a position to maintain her max single holding mandate, has nothing to do with said events, everything to do with current price. She'll be forced to trim when it shoots up again.
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  393.  @lockbert99  Yeah OK, so that make the fraud investable, hahahaha Good luck with THAT. :D
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  394.  @lockbert99  Are you one of the bag holders? Must be a character building experience (aka., painful) and a learning opportunity.
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  395.  @patrickcorcoran4828  I skimmed the entire 200 pgs and the judge tipped her hand repeatedly, starting w 1st sentence, invoking Elon's wealth as tho that were even a consideration. She admitted she didn't have squat to go on. She had decided before hand the verdict then tried to justify the unjustifiable. WE the shareholders knew exactly what we were voting for and it paid off incredibly well for us, Elon did the impossible at great personal cost. So the judge insults us as "'too dumb to understand the BOD, etc.'" Then punishes the crap out of us. NO WAY this Commie judgement is based on law, the pay pkg was the most properly aligned with shareholders ever, no other CEO would ever agree to it as he got zero before doubling the market cap. Both Elon and Kimbal abstained from the vote, the pkg was brilliantly constructed and WE agreed to it! In what universe is reneging on that OK??
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  396. Hardware will continue to incentivize modern upgrading. Safety features, compute, comfort....ton of things that can't be OTA updated.
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  397. Compressed air has been used for half a century, flywheels too, water pumped up hill to be released downhill later, on and on. Compressed air is inefficient battery.
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  398.  @MrXbloodline  WHAT? Who, how? You've seen the antennae they offer for your home right? Do you want a phone the size of a large suitcase and that needs to constantly be aimed in a specific spot in the sky? Pure fantasy.
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  399.  @remliqa  Do you have a job?
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  400.  @remliqa  OK so you live in your mom's basement. Got IT. I'm done here. Get a purpose Child.
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  401.  @remliqa  That's what I thought, unemployable, flabby momma's boy without a purpose nor job nor any accomplishments. Work on fixing yourself instead of inventing criticisms of your betters.
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  402. A vid from non-BEV fans worth spot checking: https://youtu.be/ntdXS97LpwQ
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  403. Particularly for Cali to Florida across bottom of US. I'm guessing most of Ausiland too. ;-) Lowlands Cali here, generally excellent solar potential, problem is big trees and rainy weeks like now, but when in rains it usually blows so maybe a lil wind turbine too?...not foreseeably for me but solar a given at some point soon.
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  404. Your English is excellent but subpoena is normally pronounced Suh-pee-naa.
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  405. Disagree--sometimes that sort of thing becomes a signature feature, something nice about a consistent image, but HEY...it's entirely trivial, GOOD GRIEF. Let's focus on content.
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  406. I want the convertible version to drive around town in black leather Clint Eastwood, High Plains Drifter hat, unlit cigar stub...if I can fit my leggy 6'-2" inside and still turn the wheel. Around town 40kpg MAX, yes, on a typical California freeway going 135kph? HELLLL NO I'll take a high performance motorcycle 1st and they are scary beyond tolerance, at least THEY can perform and escape.
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  407. Good point. Creative destruction, this is why free markets WORK.
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  408. We've typically had severe problems but so far managed anyway. You should have seen the 1960's and '70's, pick your decade, giving up isn't a solution.
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  409.  @mike6669-d2j  Far worse than useless. Germany has twice the population as California with half the GDP and it's the economic powerhouse of Europe. (not suggesting unions are the entire reason but that sort of mentality)
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  410. That's as old as humanity and most of us are victims of it on many fronts, climate, covid, politics....we are all being manipulated unless making the effort to seek reality over headline nonsense.
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  411. It's ordinary diplomacy. We do it everyone does it.
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  412.  @Bernd-b1y  Which of the legacy brands can survive and how? Sad in a way, love my old BMWs, but they are too little innovation, TOO late, too burdened with crippling unions, senseless bureaucracy and outdated cultures. You won't be saying that in 2030.
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  413.  @Bernd-b1y  And then there's the autonomous factor, not going to argue about it, but IMO only Tesla is about to have it licked and no one will want a car that can't drive itself, by end of decade. Granted all other mass market MFGs will be able to license FSD from Tesla, T will take most of the profits as they should.
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  414. Imagine being underneath a robotaxi screaming for it to stop. lol
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  415. Forward PE is probably more like 20 to 25, Wall St. continuously underestimates future earnings.
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  416. No. It's about fundamental economics and limits of nature. H2 fundamentally fails on economics. You can't engineer yourself in to any dream you can imagine.
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  417. As a Covid prisoner I hope 2022 is better.
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  418.  @msal4652  Not a "true but", you agreed. Compare that to any existing work truck with nothing more than a USB and 12V DC. Many will rapidly wonder how they got by without silent, instant AC power to simply plug into.
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  419. 100% he is. Anyone who can't see that is F'n EVIL.
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  420. As long as you don't mind paying twice as much as diesel and 10X more than an EV to fuel it.
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  421. A segment of Leftists are frankly weirdos who harbor notions like irrational diversity requirements, and of course the Woke Mob. No small number of original Tesla fans are in those/that camp. They think social justice is about results instead of merit and achievement unfortunately.
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  422. Thanks! That's better than most expect, still a long way to ramp.
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  423. Run two of them into eachother at top speed of 35mph and ppl will likely die, but I agree ppl should have the right to take that chance as long as they aren't clogging up roads with sp limits over 25mph, or hills they can barely climb.
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  424.  @elias9838  The Left in America know they are smarter than everyone else and need to dictate, mandate and control you. You are too stupid to be a free individual.
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  425.  @bobbytookalook  The Right doesn't suit me well either but the Left is FAR worse when it comes to autocratic tendencies today. That's the point.
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  426.  @bobbytookalook  I already implied ALL of that. If it were up to me there wouldn't even be helmet or seatbelt laws, let nature run it's natural course. Only laws that limit the direct risk to others should be adopted, sp limits and so on. I wore seatbelts and helmets long before the damn laws, we always used seatbelts when most folks never did but it should be personal choice.
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  427.  @tatata1543  And WHEN are other MFGs going to sell significant cars in USA? US legacies are not about to, Japan? Nope. Europe?? Not really, China not anytime soon. Maybe Costa Rica will compete with Tesla.
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  428.  @tatata1543  How long have you followed Tesla and Elon? Does BYD actually offer competitive cars? They don't even outsell Tesla in CHINA, even with major CCP cash subsidies. If when they build in Mexico they are going to face a host of new issues, they are heavily dependent on cheap labor vs automation and the US won't just let them bury US legacy auto that easy. BYD reviews are mixed, some are even front drive which is rubbish. IF BYD can compete it Euro and N. America is yet to be proven. If Mr. T. wins, no MFG outside the US will have much of a chance. Regardless, BYD spokeswoman says it's not about to happen.
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  429. GOOD WORK Sir.
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  430. More protectionist and isolated? That opinion lacks historical accuracy.
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  431. I was thinking of a previous arson fire on electric mains about a yr ago, must have been mixing those up?
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  432.  @rogerstarkey5390  Roger THAT. 😄
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  433. Debt alone will kill most of them baring bailouts.
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  434. Lower efficiency, inferior compute & software, less value, less space, unproven.....
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  435.  @chrissscottt  When's the last time you checked on build quality? Ask Munro maybe or anyone who's purchased 3 or Y in last yr. You are living in the PAST already. lol
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  436. Last time he visited 'actual hospital' it resulted (apparently) in this condition, he caught whatever bug there as often happens.
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  437. It's moronic terminology for ordinary competition essential for progress and economic efficiency. When you don't pay protection (adverts) to the media mafia they break knees.
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  438. GM let you down?? When did they let you UP??? :D
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  439.  @alanlight7740  Not so much for the higher end market, but yeah the self destruction from our insane reaction to the bug, predictably had a steep $ price as well, mainly inflation. Why some of us were raising hell about it all along and being censored and canceled for it.
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  440.  @mrblurleighton  Not sure what you meant but Munro costs out everything, every fastener, weld, computer chip, plastic part.... Say Munro sells the report for $150k, it's going to cost a $M or so to recreate that report from scratch.
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  441. Still love me old 2011 screaming V8 BMW. 🙂 Fantastic way to end the ICE age.
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  442. Twitter will become less evil. Insider trading?? Only if Elon sold into this pop which he didn't and WON'T! Good Grief. Like he wants some easy chump change.
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  443. Front is hideous and whole thing looks childishly pointless, cheesy plastic bits without function, grill for a 7 liter V8. POS
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  444. 16 to 17yr old I bike toured 4200 miles, central California to tip of Alaska and back, the long way. We traveled a LOT LIGHTER, no front saddlebags, just heavy stuff between handlebars, minimal rear bags with sleeping bag on top. Carried parts and tools for everything we could, spokes, chain links, cables.... All had spare tire figure 8 around sleeping bag. I broke rear derailleur chain tension spring just out of Canada going S, in minutes bro and I fashioned Bunge cord to nylon string to derailer for chain tension, worked so well I rode it home next 2 wks.
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  445. Does anyone at those old mfgs even really care? Not enough to make a serious effort so good riddance to them and the union mafias especially.
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  446. Rustang was all beat up before this trivial tap.
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  447.  @timothychung4811  What do we sell to China today? Fords? Chevys? Boeings? Starbucks, burgers, Iphones I guess.
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  448.  @lpjunction  We'll all do fine without China trade. YAHOO--You Always Have Other Options.
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  449. What other BEVs have you experienced?
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  450.  @caniafeoriginal  OK so you have good frame of reference. Is Bolt front drive tho? FD a deal breaker for me with possible exception of ultra cheap towny.
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  451.  @caniafeoriginal  I feel your pain.
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  452. Could be but he's also apparently lost some of his voice at the moment, that's what I noticed.
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  453. We'll fuck it up here in Cali, trust me. 😄
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  454. Must diversify away from the CCP dependence. They're global market share just took a long term hit. Was painful reducing Saudi oil dependence in 1970's, they embargoed USA, caused a recession. But never again so beholden to Saudis. Global free trade good when dealing with stable nations of similar values, solid trade agreement countries, others operating mostly legally.
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  455.  @i6power30  Most Canadians simply hibernate thru winter.
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  456. Small correction: hardware 4 is expected to consume substantially MORE power, on the order of 50%.
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  457. Why did they have that many in the first place, right?
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  458. Look below the surface. Aesthetics are trivial.
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  459. He was comparing it as a tourist to all over the world.
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  460. Giga Japan will partially save them from themselves. ;-)
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  461. Giant PRAWNS. :D Burn it baby burn coal it makes my organic gardens thrive.
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  462. I'm sure everything changed in a week after 2M back orders for half a decade.
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  463. Cute slogan and hats off to VW.
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  464.  @hwirtwirt4500  You are correct, and by ALL accounts it's very desirable, useful work truck, at least for local use which is most ppl most of the time. (wouldn't want to try n travel long distance in it YET) Ford has a chance to survive the decade which I don't think Government Motors does. Be fun to watch it all unfold.
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  465. Good jobs is not contradictory to monetary discipline failures. Stupid debt.
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  466.  @OwnGrid  Started at sea level and ended at sea level, aka., zero net change. Significant climbing and descending obviously cost some extra energy.
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  467. And in America we'll have FordGMChrystler merger making 1/10th what they do today. (so I hope)
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  468.  @DanRyzESPUK  Who KNEW!
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  469. There will be some rehires no doubt, Elon's method says that if you don't delete so many parts that you have to replace 10% you haven't deleted enough. Similar for staff.
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  470. There should be a substantial market for folks who will only use the truck locally.
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  471. Come back?? Back to their original scammer success? OKAY.
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  472.  @ryanwilliams3857  Imagine if one only or primarily used it on ranch or farm, safety systems would be trivial, but I guess that's not most of us. Still a market for that.
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  473.  @Mr11ESSE111  And you've driven and lived with which BEVs recently? What's your daily?
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  474. Anytime you hear "free energy" you know it's at least partly BS. Free as in the 'fuel' is free like a solar cell at best, solar cells as relatively cheap as they've become are far from free and this idea, if it works, won't be free either.
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  475.  @mrnobody.4069  Solar can be free on the margin, it'll never be free, but eventually very cheap. It will always cost something significant to mfg, install, maintain and replace. I welcome fusion tech for eventual space travel utility say, but that's likely a century away. Also for the science and tech advancements in general. Seriously doubt it will ever compete with 'indirect fusion', aka., solar on Earth, simply due to capital cost. Unless one of the alternative long shot attempts succeeds, these tokomaks seem inherently extremely expensive.
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  476. Rover still makes exceptionally attractive vehicles, excellent off road, but pricy and breaky. They're toast unfortunately.
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  477. I found this to be one of the more interesting as I'm not tuned into much of the "hate". But I certainly don't watch all on this channel.
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  478.  @Ghosy01  Do you know anything significant about the CT? DeLorean was a common mediocre car with poor performance for it's day, with only styling cues, SS and unique doors setting it apart. Won't be long before CT aesthetics are common, to the extent they are driven by utility they will be widely respected if not always loved. Beetle was weird for it's entire half century run, sold by the 10's of millions. Millions of CT orders is what it is, 500k/yr doesn't look like enough.
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  479. Support for end of mandates and lockdowns from North Commifornia.
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  480.  @othmanskn  You've got patents on physically impossible XYZ. Frankly that's all I need to know here. Good luck with that. :D
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  481.  @spacegamer85  IDK...Xpeng and a few others may move in and some small fraction of legacies may endure that long, merged and government supported.
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  482. Rebuilding an engine can be done repeatedly to 'like new', same with the rest of crucial mechanicals. 5Mkm believable but only one rebuild??
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  483. To what end? It only damaged Government Motors.
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  484. Works both ways whether you like it or not, and that's the point. You don't accelerate production without rewarding production.
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  485. They were rubbish in the early days I understand.
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  486. Elon born in 1971 ish. :D
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  487. Was the UAW Mafia late on a payment to the Big Guy?
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  488. Big respect for those and many Chinese brands. IDK any of them well enough to invest, spent a decade on Tesla, go with what u know. The real competition is coming from China
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  489.  @joeking433  Try to not buy anything from China in the USA, not that easy.
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  490. Maybe but losing money on every sale isn't sustainable. Tesla changed focus to it's most popular lucrative product the Y, probably not a bad decision. The CT will still dominate as it'll be the only one seriously mass produced anytime soon. Some of the features from GM and F point out deficiencies in the CT, I assume Tesla is adding some highly desirable features not yet revealed.
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  491.  @gabrielfresa  Rivian is a recreational toy, a very good one, Ford's has work truck potential that Rivian does not. Hard to say where the CT fits in but it seems to appeal mostly to recreation and as a fashion statement.
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  492.  @TonyGrant.  That makes sense. I need a 15,000 lb, "1-ton" chassis replacement, problem is I have $300k custom bed mounted machine that fits traditional ladder frame geometry. VERY common configuration, we need an EV chassis to match traditional truck mounting geometry for a decade or two ((asking a hell of a lot more than we can get for a long time, just SAY'n))
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  493. Free hotdogs and bag of marshmallows with purchase of every new Bolt!
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  494. Yeah most will do just fine if they lasted a yr at Tesla.
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  495. No, stupidly expensive.
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  496. We don't need more jobs, we need more workers aka., immigrants.
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  497. Our system is inherently corrupting but that doesn't mean every choice is equivalent to the next.
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  498. As long as it ain't BMWs or Mercs, lol.
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  499. NIO seems good but their batt swap is going to cost them, that will fail.
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  500. Not a good look caring only 5 Teslas when diesels are toting 8.
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  501. Fire that intense tends to destroy any structure including reinforced concrete like this. Fuel tanker in US lit off under overpass causing collapse, concrete will spall or weakly explode in pockets, and of course if time allows for rebar to heat enough, it loses essentially all it's strength and concrete without rebar has near zero tensile strength. Collapse is inevitable in either case.
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  502. More like tipping decade but close enough. We all expected this and it won't be entirely predictable or consistent, oil price may collapse and EV shortages will demand high prices, ICE mfgs may offer fire sales, in the short run. For those watching this automotive revolution, the most economic thing might be to keep their old ICE cars on the road for a few more yrs. That '90's Civic may be cheaper to own/operate for a while still, just bc it's worth 40 or $60k less and that money is better invested elsewhere...fewer miles driven can tip the scale....one who only drives 2k miles/yr, say, should maintain and run old Honda for much of this decade, run it into the ground then buy cheap used EV. Invest in TSLA instead. ;-) (I sure don't want another $60k sitting in my drive next to my ol' BMWs, HA!)
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  503. Union made with pride. (those two concepts don't coexist)
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  504. I could see flipping a Tesla for a measly $10 gain, but I'll stick with TSLA instead, I see fluctuations 10X greater monthly.
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  505.  @waynelewis9110  Exactly, and it's a regional cultural edifice, a toxic mentality ingrained in the local landscape. I'd want nothing to do with it.
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  506. With some 2M preorders, possibly much more by now, it's going to be yrs before they get to a single motor variant, unless LFPs are only used in single motor rig and they have enough to do everything else too. 2 wheel drive is much less appropriate for a truck than a car, possibly they'll never make one.
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  507. I like the old look of M3 but don't love it, Y is it's plump sister and just acceptable. NEW version looks really good so far, possibly rival the new S.
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  508. Tesla phone? NO...well outside their primary focus and market already well served. Makes zero sense except to cater to dumb kids who can't afford a car and wanting the brand. It'd be mediocre product diminishing the brand.
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  509.  @hardcoreherbivore4730  Yah nah what? Would you take a couple grand discount to have new car drive to you? Not as if you are obligated to accept it if anything is wrong.
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  510. I still love me old'e 2011 BMW M3 and hope to run it indefinitely, long as fuel is available. But I'm an aging ManChild, it's a replacement for crotchrockets of my youth, not a daily driver.
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  511. And they do what? Put their badge on it? They don't manufacture anything.
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  512.  @RagnarinVa  So maybe I won't have to move to Puerto Rico for a yr to cash out my cap gains.
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  513. Who knows if judge was bought off by OPEC or the CCP. One thing for certain, this sort of thing will solidify the demise of Dems and corrupt Biden Admin with higher gas prices, that much is a good thing.
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  514. For us it was value, durability and reliability. Toy trucks used to be 'bullet proof' mechanically, not great efficiency but wouldn't quit.
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  515. 8/8 should be more about Cybertaxi strategy than new platform.
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  516. Front drive a deal breaker unless it's very cheap for around town only.
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  517. This is ordinary diplomacy, we do it everyone does it. May be silly and weak but it's common.
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  518. Won't happen overnight but maybe 1M/yr.
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  519. Had plenty of bicycle crashes, youth and childhood--inc going down at 50mph on a downgrade in Sierras wearing only shorts, shoes and helmet, lost a sq. ft. of skin, shins to finger tips--it's all character building :D
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  520.  @thomasruwart1722  Tesla and SpaceX consistently rank 1st and 2nd or 3rd top choice for graduating engineers. Some 2M applied for 20k openings at Tesla last yr, far harder to get into than Harvard. They have the pick of the very best and exceptional fundamental selection methodology. Plus a CEO who knows how to motivate and get the most out of them, no hierarchy or "chain of command" interference to efficiency--they go straight to the most pertinent person to solve problems.
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  521.  @thomasruwart1722  True. Culture is incredibly important and Elon seems to have about the best priorities ever to that end. Some do get burned out but one engineer who quit due to Tesla hrs and demands came back bc "I'd rather be burned out than bored." Contrary to popular notions they retain their top tier staff considerably longer than average of Silicon Valley firms. Some quit bc they have become rich off the stock options.
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  522.  @thomasruwart1722  I've contracted for "a thousand" outfits over the yrs and I can typically smell union mentality immediately. It corrodes the entire enterprise top to bottom, with rare exceptions. Causes endless petty conflicts and distraction, wasted energy and focus. As a shareholder and concerned citizen I loath the idea of a unionized Tesla but it doesn't seem likely anytime soon.
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  523. Fools turned against Tesla.
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  524.  @MorriesWigShop  Nah...You are inventing problems that won't exist. New batts will last longer than the car with very few exceptions. And you aren't going to be "refurbishing" a 5 or $7k batt pack anyway. Even a pack designed to be worked on will require too much labor and expertise for that. "Pivoting away" is silly notion, like I said in a worse case (probably not going to happen) a blade pack will only have a slightly different mass, 100% interchangeable as far as the car is concerned. I seriously doubt seats and carpet are an issue. Do you worry about your $50 batt in your $500 phone being replaceable? I don't but then I don't live on my phone either.
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  525. Batt swap means NO TOUCH for me. Too dumb.
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  526. Stock up dealer lots and let them figure out how to sell over priced junk no one wants. 😄
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  527. They aren't about to have Starlink dishes on any cars anywhere let alone China, too big and expensive, take a look at the hardware required for airliners or even stationary home systems which are far cheaper and smaller.
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  528. Equipped with several hard mounting points the CT will accommodate an overhead rack easier than a standard pickup, but obviously will be specific to CT not generally compatible, that's a slight drawback until volume is achieved.
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  529. Few will want a 2 wheel drive.
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  530.  @sesmeltz1965  Exactly, thanks for clarification and brake comparison. Regen braking captures on the order of 30 to 35% (old numbers could be off) of a very significant amount available.
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  531. HOW the hell are legacies going to pay of those massive debts?
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  532. Just the fact that the not-a-salute is even mentioned shows how inane the Elon backlash is. Toxic propaganda not so much a blunt Elon.
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  533. Advertising never causes that. 🙄
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  534. Fraud.
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  535. No car anywhere is about to have Starlink access, look at size and cost of receivers on airliners. Starlink won't be available in China period.
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  536.  @simontideswell1728  Buy one of those '70's/'80's rigs, sure there are some out there for dirt cheap. Or get one of those Chinese BEV death traps if you can, I've seen a few here in the States. Or some get away with golf carts which is what you want, no? Don't expect to survive a fender bender in one but that's apparently not your concern.
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  537.  @simontideswell1728  The problem is everyone else but you wants those "unnecessary" things. But give it time and niche markets like that will likely be served, to some degree, it doesn't pay to have a special option list for you and a dozen other folks on Earth. Having a Netflix option you don't use is like any number of features in Windows or your phone you don't use nor pay for.
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  538.  @simontideswell1728  I think the next gen BEV econoboxes will do you better than you imagine. Tesla "2" and others. I get it, drove econoboxs for decades, a staple. Imagine the fuel and maintenance savings, who cares if the windows are powered or there's extra software you don't use. I wouldn't be w/o powered windows simply bc I can't reach any except the drivers, NOT acceptable today even for a cheapy. T2 class to be the poor man's only choice in several yrs on the used market.
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  539. Propane was a thing for a while, somehow it was considered much cheaper to run than gasoline with modest loss of power.
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  540. Could be very soon but we've all lost confidence on soon. This is new territory tho.
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  541.  @billdale1  FOOOOLLLL!
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  542. Those patents will expire before it matters.
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  543. I remember Sandy's outspoken admiration of your channel! :D Hard to imagine CT much lighter wt with 3mm SS, hope it's true. CT clearly depending on better efficiency therefore less battery, plus castings, and so on. Unfortunately not so much an exoskeleton but maybe hybrid, inc. some exo-frame coupled with interior structure.
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  544. This was inevitable and yes competition is not only good but essential. (not thrilled as TSLA LT investor but that's OK)
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  545. Like hearing such stories, intend to be E self sufficient(ish) after TSLA hits $1k/share in several yrs. HA!
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  546.  @robertstout7756  Ever tested the CO2 levels just for fun? I don't think it's a problem but 2000 to 4000ppm CO2 seems to be common in tight houses, of course you can have heat exchanger ventilation.
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  547. "Computers on wheels" regardless of drivetrain type, is new to them. Ford's Jim Farley says they have some 150 separately proprietary programmed components that Ford has to somehow integrate in one vehicle, they can't do anything by themselves, have to work with suppliers to make smallest changes, that's cumbersome as hell. Of course they are not proficient at software anyway.
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  548.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  1200 mile range is a total waste, we don't even bother doing that with ICE which is vastly less damaging to efficiency than doing it with batts. Solid state isn't necessary. There are already the best option for most ppl and will be the poor mans only choice in a few yrs.
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  549.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  You are way out of date on this. Batts are being profitably recycled reclaiming 98% of the metals they are made of and they aren't toxic unless you are referring to old lead acid ones. That's laughable. Iron and lithium are in abundant supply and while FeLi batts won't serve all applications they will for most. Ni is the only significant limiting factor on the resource front, there will be pressure on nickel this decade which will be foreseeably required for higher E-density applications like a semi truck where mass is critical and, obviously, aircraft. Cobalt is nearly eliminated from new Tesla batts and apparently not essential even in tiny quantities. Most cobalt today is consumed (not recyclable) in oil refining, clearly that use will fade to zero. Sometime, maybe next decade, mining batt minerals will likely languish as recycling will replace most of the need for new metals. A lot more electric will be required, even more than when air conditioning came about increasing demand some 30% in a matter of yrs, more like 100% over some 15yrs. Fortunately we have more viable alternatives today then ever including safe nukes. I will be one of many who runs off my own roof and batt packs enough for home and a car or two. Batts have followed Wright's Law, cost coming down some 20% for each doubling of production, the metals part of the price is not close to the total cost of fabricating batts. Price will continue to plunge leveling out well below the cost of an ICE engine in a matter of yrs. 1st Tesla roadster had a $100k batt pack, today far superior packs are some 8 or $10k. That will become 5k before you know it.
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  550.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  No one is getting away with out so called Rare Earths. I imagine you have a cell phone? Price swings in the last 18 months are not a great indicator of much, oil went to negative value last yr, NatGas is up 300% now, on and on. The supply chain for EVERYTHING has problems!!! Your problem is some sort of emotional fixation against something that's new and dramatically better, tossing up every nonsense road block to EVs you ever heard of. Do you really enjoy oil changes, engine and transmission repair bills and the smell of exhaust that much? Meanwhile the WORLD IS SWITCHING to BEVs, like it or not your petrol is going to become range anxiety inducing as it becomes rare and expensive while charging options become ubiquitous and quick.. Keep an eye on Norway and others going to near 100% EV for new sales by next yr. See if their grid collapses and they all die.
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  551.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  I've made a fortune off it, how about YOU?
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  552. 4 or 5M of both new models combined, presumably the compact econobox and a small van. Great point about usable space.
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  553.  @markvalery8632  Recent couple decades is laughable compared to Younger Dryass, I guess those stone age SUVs were really busy 13k yrs ago. There is nothing special about recent decades other than CO2 increase which is a bit player in climate, not remotely THE driver. What is the ideal CO2 level if we could just flip a switch?
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  554.  @markvalery8632  The point being that CO2 is NOT remotely the driver of climate, it's a trace gas crucial to life on Earth with minor greenhouse contribution that diminishes in additional effect as it increases, that is to say doubling it does not double the effect as that sliver of the radiant heat blockage is already largely occupied. Water vapor is 70% of the greenhouse effect. YD saw 12C swings in a mater of decades or centuries, today we fret over 1.5C over a century, not saying we shouldn't, just perspective and proving that climate is not determined by anthropogenic CO2. Climate is scary as hell having nothing to do with humanity. Record keeping (sparse as it was at the time) started at the coldest time in the last 10,000 yrs coincidentally, around 1880's, based on ice cores and sediment analysis.
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  555. It's just beginning, Polestar for one and a few others I believe tho can't name them.
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  556. Sooner they disappear the better off we'll be.
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  557. So your policy premiums might have to be drastically cheaper for added cost to insured. You have to do the actual numbers, what if your method only reduced risk by 0.5%? Not much of a business plan then.
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  558. Maybe although they only claimed to be building them in Sparks.
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  559. How much does the paint weigh! (funny but not entirely trivial, once was putting fancy paint job on radio controlled model airplane--curious engineering friend took some paint samples off masking tape, weighed it and figured out how much wt. I'd added and for an aircraft it was significant, lol)
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  560. Worse pile of shit in American representation.
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  561.  @maicaster8985  You aren't guaranteed to survive your morning commute to work, does that mean you may as well drive with your eyes closed? If you don't know the difference between a coin toss and intelligent disciplined investing you well earned your poverty.
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  562. "Burning all the books" is hilariously manipulated by popular propaganda.
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  563. More like $300k to start with.
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  564.  @gangleweed  Sure. To say it's the poor man's choice is just a way to emphasize the ultimate in utilitarian economy. ALL such folks will be significantly better off with total auto operating cost 1/4 what they've ever had available. Already for those who really rack up the miles, a 40 or $50k car payment is paid for by gasoline savings. Uber drivers say. When you can buy a nice one for $15k and find your "fueling" and maintenance costs slashed with 130MPGe? That's a fat savings for extra beer and cigs. HA!
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  565.  @senoow4215  Painfully apparent and not so different than typical polished, rehearsed PC poosy CEO.
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  566.  @ephorntube  You can't go back and correct your failure to make a fortune in TSLA, but you can learn from your dumb mistake and not miss out on massive future gains.
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  567. In 1970 GM had some 60% of US market, lol.
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  568.  @remliqa  The title should have steered you away then, otherwise the first 15 seconds of vid. If you wasted time watching it's your own fault.
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  569.  @remliqa  OKAY fine, Elon's character is irrelevant...just to you apparently, seems to matter to the rest of us.
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  570. You can't straddle anything with a trike and rear cant follow ruts the front make--what's better about it other than ground clearance?
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  571.  @toddmarshall416  Good point, it will never have comparable accident avoidance capabilities. We've seen trikes come and go for over a century now, only real advantage is build costs and maybe mass. Trikes have inherently worse driving dynamics, hard cornering, swerving, etc. Which is why I'd never own one except as a novelty which always wears thin fast.
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  572.  @warrenerickson4159  ANY road worthy car can easily beat the moose test, are you serious?? Only rubbish SUVs and pickups can't and they've always been crap to drive.
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  573. Production limited as always and Chinese holidays slowdown.
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  574. With new improved versions coming out the 2nd hand market should blossom some. Been a long time that Hondas and Toyotas have dominated trade ins for Teslas, if factoring in depreciation, normally the biggest cost for a new car, and if you drive enough miles, the lower end BEV can easily pencil out. Who'd want a new ICE is what I wonder.
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  575. Not directly and maybe he's moved on from it but 'no one else can make money on EVs' was a common theme.
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  576. @ What's the narrative I'm wrong about? Spell it out.
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  577.  @garyallsopp6369  Regardless of the CT, all nations are going to need to allow steer by wire, it's going to be the new normal. Thailand is one of biggest PU markets I understand.
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  578. They are made in China by Chinese companies, right? Toy is TOAST. :D
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  579.  @point-blank3369  The problem is that the entire ICE "assets" are actually a liability, same with stealerships. Only a few yrs from now no one will want to buy a NEW ICE car. This is just another Apple vs all the rest except even bigger motes for Tesla, winner takes most there will still be a dozen folks wanting a Blackberry or Toyota. Legacies have been dumb, they earned their demise and it's healthy, creative destruction. Unless China invades Taiwan say, or continues the lockdown insanity, only they will give Tesla a real run for their money. Ford has a nice work truck in the Lightening, it will sell but they can't make many, aren't even planning to. Rivian has a good sports truck (not a work truck) but both of those are likely to lose money for some time to come and struggle with mass production. Toy? snicker snicker, they like BMW (fan of BMW, have two of them, also fan of Honda and Toy for their past, not their future) still planning to build ICE into 2035 or '40! Good Grief that's ridiculous. BMW is actually one of the leaders among German brands for EVs, VW doing it's best might survive or merge with BM, Merc....as they all dramatically downsize.
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  580.  @point-blank3369  A pertinent tangent: Rivian had roughly the same operation costs as Tesla last quarter, as hard to imagine as that is. Starting off with deep pockets has a major downside in that it avoids the necessity to be lean and mean, Tesla struggled for a decade just to survive, pinching pennies is in their DNA.
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  581. Yeah it makes little sense in general with exception of camping, last place I want to park is in the sun. Install additional panels on a fixed structure where they get max exposure instead.
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  582. Extra mass is a negative for cars in every way but one--colliding with other vehicles, colliding with a large tree or fixed object, mass has no advantage. Bad for efficiency, handling, braking, acceleration.....claiming it's because it's "built better" is rubbish.
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  583.  @adorolivar1340  Merc would handle better, turn and stop more competently if it were lighter. SURE it's far more expensive including the suspension, crucially it should have roughly 50/50 wt. distribution, rear drive and so on, so it will outperform an econobox. It's just not AS good as it would be by being lighter. Talk to anyone with a lot of track experience how well the, Model S say, hides it's extra ton over conventional sports cars. Does admirably, like an obese woman with a girdle, lol. Plaid with track package is very impressive but still can't hide the wt penalty. BEVs are relatively easy to design 50/50 balanced, one major advantage.
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  584.  @qilu2004  Got a spare $1M or so? Those ALSO handle poorly compared to, say my 3300 or 3500lb BMWs (those be better lighter too), due to mass and trade offs between cushy ride and handling. Naturally fat tires also a factor and not optional for a truck used as a truck. CT should be able to do decent in both categories with multiple suspension settings, just not great handling (truck drivers don't care much) and not both at same setting, one or the other.
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  585. Engine will be run regularly, just another obsolete ICE hybrid.
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  586. Front drive is rubbish anyway.
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  587. The New York Crimes has occasional good content but mixed with a ton of garbage.
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  588. Of course, few crossed thoughts common when knocking out vids this fast.
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  589. Tesla should build out charging network as required to balance supply and demand, period.
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  590. Issue is data security in regards to FSD, if it must be trained on US based super computers, and it does--data must be transferred. Chinese auto is expected to have sophisticated software, so Tesla at a disadvantage there. BYD will probably never have such permission from USA, nor should they.
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  591. Apparently it was priced in already, the stock has barely moved.
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  592. It's the most accepted form of extreme mindless bigotry in America today, from both Left and Right but especially progressives. As tho you know anything about a person simply by their wealth.
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  593.  @emiluyoa7625  Maybe, there was a time when the most wealthy didn't create it the got it, stole it. That was then this is now, it doesn't justify idiocy just bc it's persistent. Today it's the Elizabeth Warren's, politicians and crony capitalists that deserve such derision, most wealthy earned it.
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  594. More like the original VW Bug except higher end.
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  595.  @Harrythehun  Let's be real--buying one is recklessly IGNORANT. It's Government Motors after all, assume the worst don't hope for the best.
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  596. Bet the Silverado cost them at least $60k, cars 40 to 45K.
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  597.  @marcelb.7224  Maybe but I'm not looking a decade or two out when we already have an entirely viable cost effective durable solution, on the road now and rapidly becoming less expensive by the yr and by unit production. QS and most of the rest will be long forgotten.
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  598. Life is TOO EASY, if they had to feed themselves they wouldn't have time, energy or mentality for destruction.
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  599. Regulators are completely redundant, train left the station before pols try to take credit for energy revolution. Fan of certain older BMWs but they sound desperate, oh well...out with the old in with the new.
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  600.  @andy-pd4eh  Is that so, interesting. I do think a significant portion could become 'stranded assets' if that's the term, probably most after they are paid off tho? (I've always paid cash with one exception for biz vehicle)
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  601. Dealers have 9 or 12 months inventory now? 3 should shutdown and go on vacation for a yr, no one cares they'll all die together.
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  602. I noticed the dashboard structure had symmetrical openings for steer gear, L and R. (showed in factory walk thru)
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  603.  @HydrogenFuelTechnologies  See how well emotional reactions to reality serve you Child. It's DOA, you'll see soon enough.
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  604. Peter inspires no confidence from me.
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  605. Some tiny scrap of it anyway.
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  606. Buy a '94 Civic. Most folks shouldn't even consider a new car, if one has to make payments they can't afford it.
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  607. Rolling downhill is better than not rolling at all. 🙃
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  608. Another ridiculous distraction from Toy, like solid state batteries and the rest. Delay the dismal truth.
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  609. Was going to say--"Get a job at Tesla." But union rank and file are ruined for life for real jobs.
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  610. Biden and Fetterman 2024! It's a NO brainer.
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  611.  @laughinggas5281  I balk at the lack of exercise of Ebike, just too easy.
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  612. BEV bubble popped 2 yrs ago.
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  613. Good thing, we need affordable energy, fossil fuels will be obsolete soon enough, meanwhile we need them.
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  614. Yes of course but some 30M of us Commifornians, TX, FL, etc, have excellent solar.
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  615. They are still building coal fired e plants like crazy.
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  616.  @onetwothreefour-s1n  OK, good points. India has some incredibly backwards habits I can't begin to fathom, mainly the caste system which can't be productive and is incredibly counter to equal opportunity. (not to be confused with excess socialism that wants equality of RESULTS, that's wrong too)
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  617.  @kripakhanal9561  You can't squeeze money from those who have none, high earners pay vast majority of it and of course governments flush most down the toilet--in this particular case--including an overpriced charging network that wouldn't actually work. Already the most productive our fleeing my Commifornia due to the punishment they receive for being productive.
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  618. Is that significant? Out of tens of thousands of workers stuff is going to happen.
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  619.  @MyUniversalUniversity  Big yawn for me, this sort of thing happens so often it's normally not even reported, sort of like traffic accidents or opioid overdose deaths.
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  620.  @itekani  There was a murder in the parking lot at Tesla last yr. How many murders did you have in your driveway recently? Why don't you Google how many suicide per 1000 happen in, say San Francisco, then multiply it by 3X for a better estimate for current Shanghai situation and see how many would be expected.
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  621.  @eliogaitevre2853  The kids were checked and released, they were fine. The father may have been released, he's charged with attempted murder for allegedly deliberately wanting to kill his family. I don't think any injuries were so serious that "full recovery" isn't expected.
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  622.  @futuristic154  Because kids were in the back seat further restrained in child seats, plus accidents don't "impact" everyone the same in general. Back seats are more central so generally better but this had the randomness of a cliff tumble so there's luck involved.
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  623. "Who can fail the fastest between S. Korea and Japan" 😄
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  624. Wrong. An honest person will do just that and Elon has, so has Jim Farley, Diese and others.
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  625. More like the reverse of that, Dems were attacking Elon and Co first. All Tesla would have to do is pass some envelopes of cash around to key characters in DC, like everyone else does. Biden can be bought on the cheap but has been owned by the UAW mafia and other interests for decades. And Tesla is better than that. Imagine the childish, tribal self centered mentality of the Dems you refer to! Laughable that they care about climate, ecology, let alone justice or American viability/vitality and strength.
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  626. Everything went to hell since he was distracted by the Boring Co. and his 10 children, Right?
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  627.  @IN-hw8it6  My personal fave, only desert I have any interest in TBH. :D)
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  628. I was on to You before Sandy mentioned your channel, but good on him. :D
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  629. More of the same from Tesla regardless of the 'competition'.
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  630. What do you care about what the government knows or does in this regard? Train has left the station, the market has preselected BEV future, it's over.
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  631.  @Eternamusic425  It's not free anywhere. Drive cheap old ICE for few more yrs, by then very good 2nd hand BEVs will be available and most economic ever if you drive more than say--8k per yr. No major transition happens overnight. Depreciation is number one cost of a new car, never buy new until financially flush w everything else taken care of.
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  632.  @Eternamusic425  Tangent--if you can't pay twice for it in CASH you can't afford it. I've never made a solitary monthly car payment in 45 yrs of auto and motorcycle driving. (exception for one essential business truck I paid off early, not a discressionary item)
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  633. 500k minimum maybe 1M/yr. Less then 4 yrs out.
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  634. A different form of fantasyland permeates much of the USA against Tesla.
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  635. Patent pending means nothing in terms of efficacy.
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  636.  @Scooter-K  hahaha. Good one.
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  637. 25% inflation accounts for much of that.
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  638.  @baldisaerodynamic9692  Toy also flipflops repeatedly on their supposed future. Failing at BEVs and still investing heavy in the hydrogen fantasy? I seriously doubt they will be prepared, it's not something they can quickly switch to, the time is NOW.
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  639.  @fast-trackhack6637  Culture is crucial and probably the hardest to change. It's much bigger than unions, but even that alone completely alters, deeply, seemingly irrevocably corrodes everything. One of biggest benefits to demise of legacies is demise of union mafias, nothing good ever comes from those parasites.
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  640. Had everything from murdercycles to 1-ton trucks sideways, all of'em, that much I can relate to. 😄
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  641. NOOBS.
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  642. Martin Eberhard was barely a cofounder and contributed next to nothing, Marc also a bit player. It was JB Strobel and Elon from the start, but Martin has nothing better to do then edit Wikipedia to make himself look important, he was NOT.
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  643. "Dems have become the party of division and hate." Prime example right here...I'd add that they've become the party of intolerance, racism, bigotry and tyranny as well.
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  644.  @GET2222  Be an interesting experiment to take random modern truck, fill the tires most of the way with water (leave some air space for cushion) and drive it on a washboard road, potholes, etc. See what all that unsuspended mass does to the ride quality, handling, and so on. Last place I want the motors is inside the wheels.
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  645. Musk/Lutz history is cool, Elon always considered Bob a friend even as a harsh critic.
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  646. Here in farther N. Cali we drive Teslas and use the Chevy for a bonfire.
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  647. BYD 'selling' some percentage to abandon lots.
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  648. How about a union mafia problem? Is that a problem? 😅
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  649.  @aufornvic  Closer to $20B cash, let's not get carried away here.
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  650. FAR bigger opportunity for Tesla is when all the big MFGs begin to license FSD software and maybe associated hardware as well.
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  651. We may well have reached peak idiocy in TSLA, I'm looking for things around the house to sell. Tesla will need to start raising prices like crazy. 😀
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  652. See "Connecting The Dots" on this topic.
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  653. Claimed capacity is not static as improvements are made over time it's a fluid number with sandbagging built in.
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  654. I think $20k is more likely.
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  655. There are significant extra registration fees in parts of the US for BEVs to replace gas taxes for roads.
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  656. Sometimes it's faster to just swap the car. Hahaha Such a dumb ass idea when 30 min charging for 250 more miles, while you wait in line for a batt swap for half hour, hoping they have the right one in their warehouse there.
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  657.  @boballen9095  Friction should be very low, on the order of a couple %, just a cable over a sheave. Losses will be from motor/generators and electrical which might be on the order of 10% round trip. A lot better than pumping water uphill or compressing air in a cavern. So it's down to initial costs and maintenance, mainly capital upfront. Could be viable at first glance, no blatant deal breakers.
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  658. China monopolized Li at our doing you mean.
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  659. Small market to be sure but maybe not trivial. A lot of gear heads spend 10's of thousands customizing or hotroding old cars. Had neighbor with his "Sunday driver" with $50k engine.
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  660. They resent the fact that their lazy, purposeless lives are enabled by the likes of Tesla workers, producers. Enabling sloth and self destructive behavior earns disrespect just like feeding narcotics to a junky.
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  661. Loser pays--to reduce frivolous law suits the initiator of suit pays all cost associated by defendant to the defendant.
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  662. Biden Administration is openly corrupt, owned by the UAW. That's all you need to know here.
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  663. Tesla hate: 1) the extreme end of the fanboy spectrum IS noisy and obnoxious in a religious sense, that creates understandable backlash. 2) Progressives loath wealth and success and that one Capitalist demolished their entire narrative. 3) far Right may feel "forced" to adopt EVs and knee-jerk disrespect anything that represents a "Greeny". 4) the Woke Mob morons want Elon to hire based on race, gender identity and other nonsense, they want to destroy Meritocracy and fine with Tesla going down with it. 5) anti-billionaire BS from both Left and Right.
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  664. Seeking Alfalfa are experts in livestock feed, I assume.
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  665. Also not an exaggeration to note that Tesla is the only one who doesn't pay the Establishment Media Mafia protection racket, aka., advertising.
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  666. Head line: Double production CAPACITY which is not the same as doubling production.
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  667. What are the chances that ONE of these idiots must support their own existence, roof rent and grub, struggle for survival via being disciplined and productive.
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  668.  @interman7715  Back to your toy cars and vid games Sport.
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  669.  @ericbabich  Hate to hear that, the end is near if true. DC is often characterized as "uniparty" too, both sides way too similar, weak and terrified of intelligence agencies.
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  670.  @PhilthyMr  Swapping not the way to go, particularly as supercharging speeds go from 30 minutes, 20 to 80%, toward 15 minutes. Ausie changing network will be built out by Tesla if not also others.
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  671.  @mukamuka0  They have no clue how fast EV sales are going to ramp, more spending we can't afford. You want more inflation to MAYBE accelerating 3% what is already off to the races?? Think about your grandkids, national debt so obscene they will be paying for our recklessness. Best thing US government can do is OPEN THE DARN ROAD for domestic production and refining! Allow the USA do it's share of raw material production. We can do it cleanest and competitively for a multiple metals. Today 70% Globally goes thru China, good on this bill to steer us away from there, we'll be far to dependent on evil CCP still. But EVs and key elements markets need no extra outside interference beyond that. EV train left the station yrs ago Please let it roll is all I ask of government. ((((and I loath paying taxes to subsidize ICE, aka., hybrids that will be scrap in 4 yrs, gone like the flip phone)))
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  672. No idea what those folks are on about, but I won't suffer a trike other than a novelty. That doesn't mean it doesn't have it's place, niche market, do wish them the best. Options are good, will be interesting if they can deliver.
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  673. Dang...that's long, what part of the globe? 🙂 And model? Must be S or X.
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  674. The revolution we NEED NOW here in Cali is away from Communism and general policy insanity.
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  675.  @kadmow  My tomatoes do FINE in 114F dry summer heat and 14 hrs direct sun, they do not SET new fruit well that hot but that has little to do with shade or not, it's about temperature. Never seen tomatoes "burn" from heat let alone sun, not once in 30 yrs, that's complete BULLSHIT. Grow some and see for yourself.
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  676.  @GoCoyote  Increased CO2 reduces water requirements for plants and has visibly greened the Earth. NASA recorded such from space. Plants can only become more drought tolerant as stomata need not be open as much to acquire the CO2 required. CO2 is a bit player in climate, not remotely THE driver. Water vapor makes up 70% of the greenhouse effect with many other gasses participating. And increasing CO2 has decreasing effect as levels increase, the effect of next doubling does less than double the effect. The primary connection between climate and CO2 is that when Earth cools more CO2 is stored in water, 40X more CO2 in oceans than atmosphere. Not always but often it's clear that CO2 lags temperature change for this reason. It's been said that "we shouldn't be conducting this experiment." Anyone can understand that, makes sense, but we are doing this experiment even if we somehow managed to keep or return to pre-industrial 280ppm. What IS the ideal CO2 level? 280 is long term historically on the extreme low end and the climate over the last 3M yrs has been erratic and devastating to much of N. hemisphere with more time under couple km ice than not. Mass plant extinction is expected around 150 to 100ppm, that would be the end of everything that matters and recent glacial maximums have seen as low as 180, extremely dangerously low. Would say 600ppm be safer going into the next glacial max? Probably a little bit, can't hurt. Or will 600 prevent next glacial max? No one can say because our climate models are a farce, they do not work, but I suspect NO. We only have sketchy hypothesis for how 12 deg C temp swings happened in a matter of decades in the YD (Younger Dryass) for example, until models can predict YD, Medieval warm period, Little Ice Age, etc., they may be dismissed. Think about 12C! We fret over 1.5C this century tho there's no reason to expect we can predict such. YD was yesterday in geologic time, geology being the origin of climate science. I suspect 600 (about where we will likely plateau as fossil fuels are becoming obsolete) is significantly healthier and safer than 280. To think 280 is magically better just because it was more "natural" is as mindless as any religion ever was. Do we think this planet was made for us or life in general?? SURE God dunit and it was perfect before we came along. Unfortunately...natural climate is catastrophic without us and probably with us until we can actually control it.
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  677.  @GoCoyote  Pardon me, that was quite the tangential rant! :D I try to avoid long posts...failed that time.
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  678. It's called a TRIKE Sam. 😄 Very 1st "cars" were trikes and quickly abandon for 4 wheels for damn good reasons. HA!
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  679. He's the entire reason the company exists. How is he anything but a massive asset? Because he's not the typical phony PC CEO always in lockstep with the latest propaganda and ESG farcical bullshit? You can't have it both ways, can't have the pussy CEO you are asking for and the bold fast pace innovator who thrives by braking traditional nonsensical norms.
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  680.  @waynefaram2333  What specifically changed your mind? He hasn't changed in half a century so you just never understood him, still don't.
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  681.  @waynefaram2333  Very few do apparently. What do you dislike? I understand that the Establishment Propaganda Machine is more threatened and more vigorous in their corrosive rhetoric than ever before due to their previous monopoly on social media censorship being undermined by him, so go to the horses mouth instead of those interpreting for you.
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  682.  @waynefaram2333  I can name things I don't like but they are dwarfed by the good. He's human too believe it or not.
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  683.  @waynefaram2333  You know none of that. Twitter WAS a disaster, not possible for it to get worse, if you think the USA can exist in a condition where the DHS Ministry of Truth controls information--better think harder about that. Indeed that's where we were. Tesla does not exist in a vacuum but only under specific exceptionally free enterprise conditions, conditions which cannot exist with tyrants controlling information. 1st Amendment is not optional but has been consistently violated with extremely dire consequences in recent yrs. TSLA is exactly where it should be based on the Naz with the 2X beta it's always had. Look at AMZN, NVDA, etc. If you are a butt hurt TSLA trader that's on YOU, quit blaming others. Extremely entitled, self centered and short sighted. I'm an investor and very pleased with both my to date results, and most important--the performance of *the Company*. The stock will take care of itself over time. Twitter propaganda is irrelevant.
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  684.  @waynefaram2333  You are literally asking him to violate the core reasons for his spectacular success. Severely childishly emotional. You can't have it both ways, let Elon be Elon and embrace the candor and courage that got him here and will propel his companies into the future.
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  685.  @patrickryan2614  Everyone pays big for our moronic choices of representatives--inflation is one of the worst and biggest taxes, also regressive. That's what we get for reckless shutdowns, mandates and the rest.
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  686. That so many still think TSLA is vastly overvalued indicates it still has room to run.
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  687. Large nuke ships could work, if irrational public can be convinced in inherent safety.
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  688.  @lockbert99  Blatant rampant deception top to bottom, pretending to have a functioning trucks when they didn't. It's hilarious in that only reckless suckers got caught up in it.
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  689.  @lockbert99  Nonsense. They coasted one down a hill for some B-roll, another was "not a pusher, NOT a pusher!" on stage but it WAS a pusher and had to be covertly plugged in to external power supply. Trevor looked surprised when a screen sort of functioned while showing it off to an uninformed reporter. That was all after going public. Trevor was claiming "total vertical integration" and in the next sentence or next public airing he was claiming "they aren't making anything themselves". One significant electrical component they claimed to make themselves had a piece of tape over the real mfg label. On and on and on.....so many red flags it's funny, not the least of which was Trevor selling as much stock as he could right out of the gate. The whole saga is hilarious and most anyone in the name has rightly lost their shirt, they asked for it. OH....and the whole concept of "the next Tesla" is childishly stupid. There isn't and won't be such an animal. NKLA has served it's purpose--to fleece reckless dumbasses.
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  690.  @patrickcorcoran4828  VERY first sentence she referenced Elon's wealth and salted in throughout the neo-Marxist rant. When Hunter Biden says: "'I know every Delaware judge personally.'" Maybe we should take it seriously.
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  691.  @patrickcorcoran4828  I would never do business or employ anyone who doesn't implicitly, inherently know why a contract is 'sacred', why this judgment was evil. Begging for trouble and I don't do biz w those I disrespect. Someday you'll be screwed by a technicality, excuse, maybe THEN it'll get thru your skull.
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  692.  @patrickcorcoran4828  What about Elon's pkg was illegal? Even the activist vengeful judge couldn't come up with a solid reason, she said as much. Maybe you know the law better than she? Please explain.
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  693.  @patrickcorcoran4828  I don't have the sentence or any part of document memorized, look it up yourself. I remember that Elon's wealth was mentioned in first sentence and multiple times in the 200 pgs. Welcome to the USSA, hope universal perpetual poverty is your thing.
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  694.  @patrickcorcoran4828  OK I did it for you, first sentence: "Was the richest person in the world over paid?" Note that Elon wasn't even in the top 10 richest in 2018, but reality isn't the goal here.
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  695. Another reason the legacies can't compete with Tesla is "rule by committee" vs a dominant executive.
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  696. The payoff is long for every installation, revenue delayed, say 80% paid in first 5 yrs, balance in 15. Not a bad thing just important to understand it doesn't show up on the bottom line instantly.
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  697.  @hannsmusster6919  You probably don't have the attention span for quality content but there is plenty of it on YT. Larry Goldberg, Alexandra Merz, Jeff Lutz, Tasha Keeney, Tom Nash....many others.
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  698. Back in the '70's America eco-terrorism seemed like a weekly event, along with airliner hijackings to Cuba. HA! What did they accomplish? A sense of PURPOSE? Some of these folks need to git an F'n LIFE.
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  699. Unless you notice that the USA is literally falling to pieces due to Leftist media domination and propaganda. There won't exist a Tesla or SpaceX under just any random circumstances or "Civil war". Think bigger picture beyond next week please.
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  700.  @lengould9262  The Right has also been moving Left for many yrs but patheticly weak in upholding or countering anything. The Left creates entire fantasies and runs wild with them for yrs without consequence: Russian collusion farce, Jan 6 fabrication while laughing when the Left attacks the WH in an insurrection, President forced to retreat to bunker (funny stuff!), burning up the guard house, knocking over a long fence injuring many cops, on and on. ZERO conseqences. Just last week a front running REPUBLICAN governor was SWATTED (really after 1.5yrs) his residence raided by the FBI which is in collusion and the DOJ...his crimes? Misdemeanors like trespassing. Left is creating civil war. What were a few yrs ago Alex Jones nutjob conspiracies are today's reality--forced injections, vaccine passports, complete loss of all civil rights, Right protestors getting solitary confinement without charges. The Ministry of Truth attempt, it's frankly terrifying. Not confident we will have a USA in any meaningful sense, what part of The Constitution is left? (Right was most to blame for Patriot act which was one big step in wrong direction 20 yrs ago) We need a radical shift toward Libertarianism or dissolution of this disunited states if the authoritarian Left doesn't grow up and get real.
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  701.  @lengould9262  Ultimately it's a product of rabid propaganda, mostly from the Left but BOTH SIDES, and the silo-ing of opinions instead of welcoming debate. Remember when the Left believed in free speech and "let the market of ideas" sort out the best?...Darwinian process. Today the Left simply shouts down any slightly apposing ideas. I remember when one of the most prominent hippy slogans was "Question Authority", today the Left attacks anyone who does so. This is why having a Twitter that welcomes everyone from all sides, with very few limits, open and transparent, is crucial. NOT GOOD when Twits are all radical Leftists and newer competing platforms are all Right wing.
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  702. The anti-Tesla sentiment is L lunacy and media fabricated, even protests are funded. In the USA the gains of support for Tesla on the Right clearly exceed the virtue signaling crap from the L, and we know Leftists are more signal than substance, they won't give up the best car as readily as they pretend.
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  703. If they are paying more per unit energy, that could be fair in terms of road maintenance, EVs do a lot more damage per KWH. Air quality is another thing but Kentucky ain't Los Angeles. I use roads that almost no trucks do, potholes and general deterioration def a big deal w only car traffic.
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  704.  @leiflillandt1488  IDK. Any number of asphalt compositions possible, mixing in ground up old tires rubber was supposed to be a panacea back in the '90's, not sure what happened to that. Having paving Co.s warranty the surface for a decade also interesting.
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  705. Sure, more inflation and waste, these installations will be vastly inferior to Tesla Superchargers at multiples the cost. But HEY--virtue signaling is all that matters, plus claiming credit for what they did more harm than good for.
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  706. WTH does "good looking" drawings have to do with anything that matters? You seem to represent a bit of the childish stupidity of the gamblers in NKLA.
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  707. Having a host of standard features and NO subscriptions for common stuff the way to do it, AP/FSD and a few exceptional things have to be extra for a while.
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  708.  @robertfonovic3551  What specifically are you referring to?
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  709. Die Union Mafias, DIE.
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  710. Batts vastly more efficient.
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  711.  @mrspeigle1  I get it, and if it becomes stable and widely useable, which it may, then it could be as good as fiat currencies. Tangent::: Ever hear of Kent cigarettes used as currency post USSR collapse? I think it was Bulgaria, they packed around flattened old packs of cigs as money. Point being--societies will always create a currency to streamline transactions bc toting a truck load of potatoes for a tank of fuel is so damned inefficient.
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  712.  @StepDub  The litany of character assassination--as boilerplate Woke as it is--is also slander and heads should roll. These were not opinions they were stated as fact, get your head out of your ASS.
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  713.  @zelbug9995  Oh I see--not at all close to the recent Honda saga, thanks. Yeah I was into Honda and Yamaha street murdercycles in my youth, couldn't imagine that sector without them. But then we relied on Sears in rural America back then too--don't miss'em now.
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  714.  @zelbug9995  I tossed my last ICE mower which had a Honda engine, yrs ago, as I've gone to batt yard equipment across the board. I don't see H in that space either.
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  715. Meanwhile the union mafia and workers milk the final yrs of these failing organizations for all it's worth. I'll be protesting the bailouts--let them FAIL.
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  716. THIS is situation normal from the far Left (and the REST of the Left is mostly OK with it) character assignation as soon as one steps out of the Woke narrative of the week. Hope many are sued to total financial RUIN. Meanwhile the White House is openly extremely racist--"'Going to nominated a black female for SCOTUS"...entire Left is FINE WITH IT!! Imagine in that was 'white wealthy male' instead.
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  717. Chatted w you Sam about your bike trip (couple yrs ago) as I'd done a 4200 mile ride that included that stretch of Hwy 1. Love how well you two were treated. I'm in farther N. Cali or I'd offer a place but you'll have plenty of good options. Really sorry about wife's condition, was wondering about it.
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  718. Keep in mind that Mr. T. uses extreme threats as a bargaining chip, he's not stupid. But also China subsidizes the heck out of many of these companies. Want to see how tariffs will go, see T admin version 1.
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  719. Only in a totally just world, it's OK, T will win anyway.
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  720. 0.4 maybe, he got that wrong.
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  721.  @thedualtransition6070  Tesla didn't lobby for that largess, GM did. Yr or two ago Elon was asked about similar: "'Couldn't you use $1B for battery factory or something.'" (concerning more recent proposals) Elon: "Don't need it, delete DELETE." Tesla also turned down similar EU monies for Berlin plant. But when subsidies are across the board, no matter what industry, you pretty much have to take them to be competitive whether like 'em or not. Only thing good about recent excessive subsidies is breaking dependence on China, they aren't needed, the BEV train has left the station and won't be stopped.
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  722. Not that anyone cares but--I once contracted for the "pioneering" Li brine operation at Silver Peak, Nevada. Interesting process and seemingly low environmental impact, turns out that mine shutdown a few yrs ago 'without plans to reopen', apparently ill-timed as it shortly did reopen, guessing they didn't see the massive demand/price increase coming.
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  723.  @remliqa  What's not to like?
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  724. Ross Gerber is pandering to the Leftist lunatics of his inferior extremist Commifornia bubble.
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  725. You were gambling with a blatant loser, lucky you did so well.
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  726.  @chrisdsouza8685  Trading is gambling, better than a casino but not a way to build wealth, not investing. Do you know any rich traders outside Wall St.? I don't, but I know of many wealthy investors. (exceptions for those whom trade on the side of mainly investing)
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  727. How many thousands of Chinese were killed by these insane lockdowns. Gotta think Xi doesn't even know about the protests and extreme anxiety and hardship he senselessly caused because NO one dare tell him the truth. THIS is the problem with crushing dissenting ideas and surrounding self with spineless Yes'men'.
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  728. Tesla only selling it bare SS is the right choice SS is essentially corrosion proof in my experience, very few conditions that it deteriorates chemically. Sure it can stain like your kitchen sink, not a big problem.
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  729. Elon's making the only reasonable choice and the loud minority can't handle the truth, they feel obligated to force their narrow intolerant dogma down everyone's throat.
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  730. And destructive unions. Short termism from ALL of the above. GOOD RIDDANCE to the lot.
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  731.  @billcichoke2534  GM got some $20B, Ford a little less just last yr alone. Tesla has received $8B of credits over last 15 yrs combined. Tesla doesn't get near the prime treatment of Chinese brands. Tesla is highly profitable without any subsidies, has been for a long time, and will be vastly more profitable in a few yrs while the Legacy brands are all dying of negligence. Least regulator restrictions? Nonsense.
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  732. I don't think it's anything more than a threat at this point, not an area Tesla should get into except to counter the censorship nonsense from evil Google and Apple.
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  733.  @PD-yd3fr  No one wants a phone the size of a mobile dish requiring a big backpack to move around and several thousand $.
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  734. Create it.
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  735.  @harmony3138  IDK but there's plenty a valuable things one can do, never been easy but 6 figures in the trades have never been more available, in the US at least.
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  736. Not that it would ever happen if not for someone named Elon. It's a blatant hit piece, zero evidence all hearsay, didn't happen It was a prefab story released a day after Elon said he's switching from Dem to Republican. As predicted he became a target of the evil American Leftist Machine, it's what they do.
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  737. They had their chance and blew it, fortunately for me. I'd say that's about as likely as Apple making their own car, Apple is a has been, innovation died with Jobs.
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  738.  @grahambrown42  Anyone slightly out of lockstep with the one true Orwellian tyrannical trajectory is expected to STFU.
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  739. IDK, retirement communities use modified golf carts for local roads. For such a price could be a significant market, sure it's a POS compared to a real car.
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  740. I have zero issues with anything Elon ever said except for "funding secured" which as it turns out--may have been a justified statement anyway. The problem is with wacky Progressives who attempt to exist in an alternate universe, often completely divorced from reality. Environmentalism is a luxury that only wealthy societies get to exercise. Irrational environmentalism undermines real environmental progress.
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  741. Dismantle BUARACRUCY which is opposite of democracy. Dems are anti-democratic and have been for yrs.
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  742. They and the UAW own Biden and Dems even more than Ukraine does.
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  743. Be interesting if they proved correct for a change.
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  744. I would only to stick it to evil Google, don't care except for their insidious censorship.
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  745. Why not?
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  746.  @ColinFox  Establishment media feeds off and feeds the psychopaths who go on rampages, mass shootings, one thing they all have in common is seeking the notoriety, the excess publicity that we all should boycott. I haven't tuned into such stories in 2 decades, haven't missed anything additive to my life.
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  747.  @MoreOnEVs  Institutional corruption in recent yrs is at all time highs, FBI beyond repair and should be abolished, DHS is worst terrorist organization we've ever faced...on and on....we have political prisoners in USA today even.
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  748. Ironically Tesla is the best hope for a significant future automotive sector in Germany. But these sorts of purposeless fools don't care about reality obviously.
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  749.  @billinsf88  Union can dissolve itself, that's about all. (obviously not going to happen as they don't give a damn about workers or industry) VW has so many cooks in the kitchen they can barely function.
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  750. Bans are a farce, pretending to force what the market has predetermined and take credit for something they had little to do with. Some $6T ave. of global fossil fuel subsidies help justify counterbalance w competitor bc there isn't the leadership to end fossil subsidies China dependence hazard and balancing other nation's barriers, other subsidies, the only good reasons. Gov out as much as possible they always F things up. But only Gov can account for "externalities". Chinese and Tesla created a viable market, 2030-'35' bans would've been unthinkable several ys ago, they'd been mandating 100 to $150k family cars and fantasies. FREE MARKETS got the job done so far despite governments. Surprised, impressed w Biden for taking Chinese monopolies head on tho....nervous about Rare Earths, batt materials, tech.... (cred where DUE)
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  751. Peter comes of sleazy to me.
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  752. Mt. Whitney, my old stomping grounds! 0:07 not that it's an unusual photo target. :D Solar/storage--semi off grid intended, Tesla roof likely. WHEN TSLA hits $1k plus--I'm obligated to trim my snowball for new home build, won't ding me TOO bad by then.
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  753. F is F**ked.
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  754. It's more tyrannical government idiotic virtue signaling so they can take credit for a revolution that's already happening as fast as it possibly can.
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  755. The idiocy of American politics knows no limits.
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  756. Instead of sniveling about missing out, why not learn how to invest, it has a long road w ton of upside ahead.
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  757.  @polska905  Big diff between gambling and investing and in THIS instance you don't know what you're talking about. You sounded like someone lamenting missing out, can't go back but plenty upside in coming yrs. Best wishes!
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  758.  @Bernd-b1y  If you believe ICE has a future, regardless of foolish government policies, you are the clueless one. German brands are not making the transition in a competitive fashion. Likewise for US and Japanese legacy brands. If ICE did have a future I'd agree legacies would too, much merged and downsized. Chinese brands never figured out ICE but they have run away w the BEV market, 10 yrs ahead and pulling away. And of course Germany screwed it's industrials via bad energy choices.
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  759.  @Bernd-b1y  They are all losing money hand over fist. Not sustainable, certainly not competitive outside Germany. I could point to F and GM's BEVs, some good products except for software, which is crucial today. They are scaling back due to losses, again--not sustainable. They'll milk ICE for several more yrs and die with it.
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  760.  @Bernd-b1y  Sorry. You have no clue about autonomous driving. Level X is meaningless. U have NO IDEA what's going on here in the colonies. You'll see soon enough. Not going to argue this nonsense anymore. Best wishes!
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  761.  @Bernd-b1y  "Experts", only a few yrs ago, said autonomous wasn't possible using vision alone. NOW everyone that matters is moving that way. The "experts" I care about are the ones using FSD, it's becoming phenomenal, no one else is even in the running. And IF it takes tens of billions $ of super compute and 100's of billions of miles of vid data, which I'm confident it does. Who else can do it? Have you used FSD in N. America and compared to the other ADAS systems?
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  762.  @Bernd-b1y  You simply don't have any idea what you are on about. Not interested in debating with a 5 yr old. BYE.
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  763.  @ZoomZoomMX3  Idling is lost range, not as much as a BEV tho. 100k is nothing even for a cold BEV unless it's a lousy towny like a Leaf.
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  764. Warped, worse than useless, Neo-Marxist dopes.
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  765. They are categorically dimwit NPCs anyway.
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  766.  @thomasgaudette7367  Room for golf clubs is all ya need.
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  767. That's not the issue, efficiency terrible and costs are some 3X higher than batts.
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  768. Boeing has bigger problems than that even. T's intentions are vastly overstated as a bargaining position.
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  769.  @gikigill788  I'm aware of obvious realities, some say common sense. For others, something they didn't think of, which is why I said it. How that's beyond U is beyond ME.
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  770.  @gikigill788  Get over yourself. This was never about YOU. GOOD Grief.
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  771.  @gikigill788  Waaa...I want my MOMMY. WAAaaa.
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  772.  @gikigill788  No idea where that came from. BYE!
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  773. It's not one or the other, Tesla will be located all over eventually, including India most likely. Elon has made autonomous advancement his top urgency for the time being and THAT is what China trip was about.
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  774. If you bribe them under the table, otherwise 40k.
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  775. You don't seriously fall for that Nazi joke, do you??
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  776.  @tomdrewenskus8167  There is no Starlink in China, get a clue. SHEESH. Do you just make shit up or regurgitate anything?
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  777. Definitely NOT Australia, lol, tune into reality.
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  778.  @andresd6193  Obviously is NOT
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  779. Canada's media (I understand) is even worse than fake news USA, most of US corporate and social media. Canada media is owned by the Leftist regeme. Propaganda WORKS.
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  780.  @Nas_Atlas  Very content with my soon to be obsolete BMWs, 3 pedals, analog, limited slip diffs, just MAN and MACHINE, substitute for the crotch rockets of my youth. You wouldn't understand let along be able to drive them child.
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  781. Same here, thought they were excess but likely economical in cold climates, heated steering wheel even more dubious BUT in Montana, Canada, Norway, even High Sierras? Step in with frozen hands to ice cold steering wheel suboptimal. Lowland Cali I'd skip such extra cost, mass and complexity.
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  782.  @anthonylosego  Yes and we all get tired of the moonshots including FSD which is getting pretty darn good if still seemingly far from full autonomous. Today I'm most excited by semi, hope they can produce a lot, we'll get real world customer results which are required to throttle the noisy naysayers. Semi long a fave focus for me, entire new proving ground. One can say a personal auto is as much an emotional choice as a utilitarian one--NOT so for a commercial rig.
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  783. I'd by the Ford for the paint and those ultra cheesy effeminate plastic grills Detroit is famous for.
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  784. Dogerland history and development interesting. They should stumble into Ice Age human made artifacts.
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  785. The tide is swinging against the Leftists in America, for damn good reason.
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  786. Yup, everyone but Tesla pays protection to the media mafia.
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  787. I wonder if many of those Western auto experts will change their minds after a couple yrs living in China it's getting worse and it wasn't great before. Imagine having to register with police every time you travel to a different city and no internet access, no justice system you might be put in a hellish prison for no defined reason, on and on. Don't get caught with a VPN. No question Chinese EVs will take a big slice of global market short of a vicious trade war or similar.
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  788. TOO much batt, not Tesla style. Many more will buy a Tesla bc of Elon Musk. Get off the propaganda train.
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  789. Why have the screen rotate to orientation no one wants?
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  790. Potential for agriculture 'waste' or other stock to make modest amounts economically. Locally we have enough recycled orchard wood chips to power a few small electric plants that were recently closed...subsidiary of Shell Oil was considering $250M plant to turn cellulose to diesel/kerosene plus a little hydrogen. (not about to replace petroleum but significant locally) Chips now used on the ground or turned to massive piles of compost, good use too, or just open burned in piles in the fields...not so good.
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  791. Good GRIEF. 35% drinking!...I get that GM geezer drivers EAT, that's why they NEED an SUV.
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  792. She caught Creepy Joe's dementia virus.
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  793. Started off neutral, "give him a chance" on Newsom, came to loath the SOB thru the scamdemic here in Commifornia. No wonder he relates to the CCP.
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  794.  @michaelphillips4452  High standard of living in spite of the mafia, not because of it. Notice that Apple, Google, Nvdia, Tesla, on and on...none are founded in the business crippled Euro zone. Sweden was also one of the proud few who did not force the insane, unscientific immoral lockdowns for the flue. Cheers to them for that while 'the rest of world' went full Authoritarian. Scandinavian Americans are also more prosperous than average Americans, apparently cultural/genetic attributes involved.
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  795.  @hwirtwirt4500  Do you hate America too? Yes I'm a fanboi of America and a few particular Americans, but YOU wouldn't understand any of that, too busy feeling sorry for the misreble life you created for yourself.
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  796.  @hwirtwirt4500  Do you hate America too? Yeah I'm a fanboi of America and a few select Americans, especially the one who saved the US auto industry and the only reason we have space access.
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  797. Rare $12k unexpected emergency last month meat I was bullish as hell just not to cash out a few shares instead of adding half dozen as expected...have only added cash since 2018.
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  798. ARK buying is a given when the stock is down relative to the fund, it's nothing new or meaningful other than reaffirming what Cathy has said for a decade.
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  799. Government Motors living up to expectations. Garbage Motors. This is your government working for YOU.
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  800. Trump wins, subsidies end but it won't much matter overall.
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  801. OBVIOUSLY Elon is the best manager in history. What are folks smoking? :D
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  802. And Elon didn't really smoke pot on Rogan's show, he sort of mouthed it, not that it matters to anyone with a few functioning neurons.
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  803.  @markbeiser  Today you are to a degree in most cases but that's changing with individual data collection (not entirely a fan of it but....) not exclusively but best done by Tesla currently.
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  804.  @markbeiser  I've been rear ended twice, the 2nd time was deliberate from a meth addict and well known criminal....literally backed up and rammed my car for NO reason what so ever, wasn't even a road rage thing just a psychotic.
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  805. @James Pink Well aware of that, same as hitting a sold wall at same spd, similar to hitting a large tree which--incidentally, is the most popular way to die in American car crashes. 35 mph can be brutal without a crash worthy vehicle.
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  806.  @anderslagerqvist2642  Very smart ppl commit suicide sometimes. Or take "dumb chances", it's none of your Goddamned business either way.
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  807. Give it a decade for any significant market penetration, it's been right about to happen since the 1st coming of Jesus.
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  808. "Biggest banana, biggest shrimp..."
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  809. Plenty of self loathing projection involved, maybe some nationalism in Germany. I've asked hundreds why they hate Elon--they don't know, not one good answer ever from that side, but propaganda works, none of us are immune to it.
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  810. Li salts are a significant natural component of sea water, hard to think Li is toxic to the ocean.
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  811. In reference to mandates? Mandates are irrelevant, just pols posturing, they can't mandate what industry hasn't already made economical. Market forces will drive the transition well before retarded mandates take effect.
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  812. Not ALL of us but yeah...many ignorant or self loathing amongst us.
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  813. Good he died before killing innocents.
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  814.  @richardlinares6314  Tesla had nearly 100% of the market at one point, market share was guaranteed to drop while they continue to sell more every yr. They still sell more than all the rest combined bc they are vastly superior value. Charging infrastructure is good and getting better, for TESLA cars. Deflated that...yeah let's all panic over FUD. Have you driven a Tesla across country or listened to those who do? It's not a problem for the most part. I have range anxiety and fueling frequency issues in my old 2011 BMW M3 sometimes. WE NEED MORE GAS STATIONS!!! :D)
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  815.  @richardlinares6314  Hybrids don't count, BEVs are the future. There's plenty of room for Tesla, BYD, XPENG and more as they go from 10% to 100% of market. New Model 3 is vastly superior, pay attention to reviews. I can't remember last time I replace car headlights, don't rear end other cars. Yeah buttons--that's what Nokia said. You still use a flip phone?
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  816.  @richardlinares6314  Used M3 is a great deal, just way inferior to the best deal out there, the NEW M3 (not necessarily better value than used one, personal choice). Choice is good, I choose my old BMWs, but I can afford it, most can't. I'll never by a new or even 10 yr old ICE again tho. Jason Cammisa says the new Model 3 Performance makes the BMW M3 irrelevant. It's that good in his highly tuned, experienced opinion. Don't let emotions cloud your judgement. IDK, maybe you have some axe to grind with Elon and Tesla. That's your issue not my concern. Or just playing devil's advocate? Either way it's all good by me.
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  817. Interesting how price increases drive a multitude of additional reserves, that's the way it always goes.
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  818.  @TheBooban  Oh is it? Like BMW, Merc, VW, and the rest are too bc they also (or used to) build cars in China. It's an American company and when it builds in Germany it provides jobs there. American workers don't piss and moan about paychecks from BMW and the rest here in the Colonies and I sure appreciate having German brand choices....though they are apparently going away this decade.
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  819. Those who hate Musk are either ignorant or despicable or both.
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  820.  @rogerphelps9939  Most don't know but I do, we have the best and best value available anywhere and some competition. Newer Fords and GMs easily match any affordable Euro brands.
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  821. How MANY cars do you need?? :D Little things matter, I don't want TWO LIDS in the fronk when one can do the trick, it's also a lot smaller than a Tesla fronk.
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  822. SURE it will, only legal on a golf course but you'll be paid $2.5k (net--$5k for the car $7.5 for the subsidy) to "purchase" one, Creepy Joe is owned by GM and the union mafia.
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  823.  @alsetalokin88  How would U know?
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  824.  @alsetalokin88  How many models is meaningless to me. I bet U think a Prius is a sporty dynamic driver's car too. Right?
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  825.  @RJasonKlein  You don't understand symbol over substance--the Left is terrified of other random idiots judgment of them and let corporate Establishment media determine the narrow narrative they must force fit themselves into or be shunned by some mask wearing lunatic who validates their existence.
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  826.  @waytosacramento3843  Make sure to never buy a CAR, ride a horse and collect the manure.
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  827.  @chrissscottt  Did you see Munro's 1st model 3 tear down? They panned the hell out of it (Elon agreed with their criticism), they are a fan of doing things right and Tesla learned and improved fast to the point the Y is the best they've ever seen in terms of design, and build quality issues vanished. Notice how others are copying Tesla w castings, heat pumps and so on but have a long way to go. That Volvo is a TANK, extra mass damages everything about a car, including ICE cars.
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  828.  @mho0  Yeah a couple misaligned superficial bits that they will fix for you for free, are likely. Most folks don't care much about that but it's a bit strange they aren't always caught at the factory, maybe because most customers don't even notice. If that's your focus then pay 1.5X for less car, inferior software and no OTA updates, rubbish charging for road trips....go for it.
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  829.  @mho0  I found Ford's Jim Farley explanation as to why OTA updates was essentially impossible for legacy mfgs to be very illuminating, no quick easy way out of that mess.
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  830.  @mho0  Yeah that's mostly bullshit frankly, service is spotty, some have very bad experience and some great but as for the rest of it? Nonsense or 2 yr old "news" or isolated instances. 5M cars on the road means you can cherry pick dozens of exceptions. The fact they have the highest customer loyalty ever gives the bigger picture, can't be so bad then can it? Certainly paint from Berlin plant is excellent by all accounts, very good to excellent from Austin and Shanghai. Anyway--options and "competition" are a good thing. You go pay far more for far less. Or prioritize buttons and fancier interior instead of the luxury of technology, good we have that choice. I don't like not having leather seats/steering wheel cover or HUD or a button on the glove box, tho the last two have decent aftermarket options, built in is always better. I might find that the glass roof needs to have an opaque option in my climate, again aftermarket for that too but it doesn't thrill me.
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  831. More robots won't stop CCP punishment of Tesla, there's always other ways.
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  832. Sam--a tangent you might be interested in--Electric trainer plane: https://youtu.be/o1mlsLyQ6AQ
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  833.  @ocker2000  It would appear that prices would go up some 15 to 40%, and the shake out would accelerate which must happen anyway, way too many brands there. I don't think anything can save US, Japanese and German legacy auto though, they've screwed around too long now it's too late.
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  834. CT will be "different" for about a yr.
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  835. Anyone falling for links in comments is really dumb, we see those everywhere
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  836. I'd say NO to further USA EV subsidies, we don't need it, won't help much and worst of all Biden will take credit for something he had little good to contribute and plenty of drag. 2024: "Joe did it. Joe led the way and that matters!" (won't likely go my way, maybe the UAW kickback will be axed?) Diess is ALL IN on this, hats off, even if he's canned for his necessary candor.
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  837. 25% inflation to start with.
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  838.  @davidbrayshaw3529  Almost no one want's a 4X2, $40k was never realistic but 65k inc inflation (say another 10% in 3 yrs if ordered today, if you are lucky) is probable. $100k includes the premium paid to be early adopters, as it should be and always was. CT is vastly better than original specs too.
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  839.  @rozonoemi9374  They don't but what's your point? You want the traditional way of senseless aesthetic changes, cheap crap added so the Jones know you have the latest? Beetle, Porsche 911, some of best ever selling cars for half a century, didn't add fake jet nozzles and tail fins, phony air scoops....pointless dramatic styling ages fast and looks as stupid as it is. Same today for EVs with big fake grills or most ICE vehicles for that matter. I suppose you think the Threefresh looks the same as the original 3.
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  840.  @rozonoemi9374  You may not care about the Jones but that's how shallow "new models" have been for the last 70 odd yrs, superficial changes so it's obvious it's new and to make prior designs age faster.
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  841.  @992GTS-DC  There is no fundamental reason steer by wire feedback can't be as good as anything else, but it won't be until refined which can be done w over the air updates. Should have multiple settings to choose from ultimately. Model Y is not a sports car, it's a family SUV and never had good steering feel. Agree that a sports car absolutely needs exceptional feedback, one of the reasons I choose BMW E92 M3, last of conventional hydraulic steering, successor was unrefined and lacked classic BMW feedback.
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  842.  @992GTS-DC  Why do you think no one used 48V while talking about the need to do so for 30 yrs? Because it's not easy to make the change and lazy Legacy MFGs don't do difficult. Same for steer by wire. Steer by wire will need to sense resistance, no reason that can't be transmitted to the steering wheel, to some extent it already is in the Cybertruck according to at least one test driver. Is it worse than a typical pickup? Not from what I gather and software can make it whatever you want.
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  843.  @992GTS-DC  Stalks I definitely agree. Parking sensors shouldn't be required but it's true they lag badly getting that right, CT has 'birds eye' view I believe, IDK why it's taking so long for the rest. See Cammisa on Hagerty on CT for why to go with steer by wire, at least for that rig it's a vast improvement, I see no reason it wouldn't be better for all vehicles. Granted this is very old anecdote but I once broke steering shaft on old manual steer 1-ton Chevy, sure as hell take Tesla's CT system over that setup. We've had throttle by wire for decades and never been a problem with it, yes steering is even more critical but not by a hell of a lot, done right safety won't be an issue. Airliners have been 100% fly by wire starting in late 1980's, hasn't ever caused a crash that I can think of.
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  844.  @992GTS-DC  And why don't you worry about same for throttle/braking by wire at 88mph? Because such critical systems are not vulnerable to that. "Out of Spec" just did a 'run-it-to-zero' test on CT, until it stopped moving, everything shutting down yet steering continued to work fine to be towed to charger on it's own wheels. My criticism of Tesla's sensor suite is the lack of sideview cams at very front of cars, not lack of sonic sensors. Big missed opportunity there.
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  845.  @992GTS-DC  Not sure it applies to all models this century but take an F-150/250/350, lose engine power (which was common some yrs ago) and you can effectively no longer steer. Sure as HELL take electric/electronic over that.
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  846.  @992GTS-DC  "A problem that doesn't exist" just like power steering solved, we steered fine long before power assist. How do you know what you are missing until you use it?
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  847. You mean support the CCP and feed off their tit? That makes sense given the US Left is also tyrannical.
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  848. Elon says they'll have some sort of bot to demo for AI day 2, August I think. No idea what that'll be but looking forward to it.
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  849. It has that silver lining but the isolated evil CCP and Xi didn't want to drive away international companies, predictable result, Apple to anyone, slowly moving to other parts of Asia. They apparently just noticed the devastation "zero-Covid22" insanity caused, no underling dares tell truth that could be considered criticism of party line.
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  850. Yeah....same ol same old. Establishment media is obsolete and irrelevant.
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  851. Brazil is currently at crossroads, going totalitarian at the moment, dangerous environment--but then so is China and everywhere else to some degree. (cough cough...Germany)
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  852.  @gryaris7321  Why would anyone care about the advertisements, has nothing to do with credibility of Munro reports. Not a chance BMW or anyone else can do it cheaper than buying it from Munro. They don't typically sell report for near the cost of creating it, they count on multiple customers, or in the case of the CT--partially paid by us on YT and advertisers.
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  853.  @stevenjones916  Can't afford anything like that but...next best? :D) 9400 redline, 8 fat throttle bodies slammed right against cylinders make for instant throttle response. Sings and begs for more at 7k revs plus.
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  854. Wait--did they say "they have delivered 100" to Pepsi??
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  855. Actually many of us DO KNOW , we didn't learn who Elon is a yr ago we've followed him for one or two decades. Speak only for yourself and other Noobs.
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  856. Data says AP active is vastly safer than not active. Your childish opinions of Elon don't matter.
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  857. Agreed, exceptions for those 1st receiving them perhaps, flip for a quick 10 or $20k gain?
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  858. Horses have very high vampire energy losses, even when parked requiring similar fuel to when used for productive work.
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  859. Boys will be boys.
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  860. Cool anecdote--happy to hear it!
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  861. I think it would be impossible to miss a tunnel boring machine on site or nearby. But what else could those tunnel liners be there for.
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  862.  @drewchristy  Raised road is meaningless, they'd be a lot deeper than that. And what's the point, they already have good roads under freeway. Just to clear buried foundations under factory they'll have to be at least some 60ft deep, that was the idea in the vid, to add level(s) to existing factory for shuttling components and materials. I don't think it's particularly compelling at this point, maybe someday.
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  863. There's no ideal place, political risk is high everywhere including the USA. Doubtful Tesla China will survive the decade as Xi drives the nation back to the bad old days.
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  864. They wouldn't be competitive in China without producing there. Tesla doesn't need China for the rest of the world obviously, doing fine in America (where it is born and based), Europe and everywhere else.
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  865.  @mahes303  I see, thanks. If remember correctly--1kg H2 is roughly E-equivalent to 4L of diesel.
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  866.  @jamesvandamme7786  1kg of H2 is very roughly 1 gallon (4L) of diesel, in terms of useful energy available.
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  867.  @Seventh7Art  Here in Cali there are a few only due to dumb government support.
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  868.  @陈独秀-b5m  We will replace everything we need, not pain free, but as we always have. You underestimate market forces.
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  869.  @timothychung4811  What's your point? USA is the biggest free trade block in the world, a key reason of our success. We were prosperous before China opened up and can continue to be after she foolishly slams the door. Population doesn't mean squat, Africa has tons of ppl yet we don't trade a pile with them. Most Chinese are poor peasants.
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  870.  @jacobnunya808  Difficult when they are bulling every nation in the S. China Sea area, decimating ocean fish stocks, stealing industrial/military secrets wholesale, genociding the Wiegers (sp?), infiltrating Western universities, social media, etc., etc. Causing a global pandemic, covering up it's origins (they created it in a lab with USA help) and deliberately exporting the virus all over the world and still no real consequences for that?! Worst actors on the global stage, the CCP cares about one thing, staying in power.
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  871.  @Withnail1969  ENTIRELY replaceable. They do it cheaper via destroying quality of life and the environment. Virtually all ground water is toxic, that's quasi permanent, rivers you wouldn't dare swim in, garbage everywhere, city air you can't breath....hell scape. I'd be a peasant anywhere in the West before a billionaire under evil CCP tyranny, not even a consideration.
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  872.  @liulaolao7269  Absolutely, to whatever extent they can they better. Would you think good idea that Germany would be beholden to Russian gas 3 yrs ago? Or that good to go.
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  873.  @liulaolao7269  Are you serious? LOL How much land of Europe has the USA taken by force recently? Get an F'n CLUE child.
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  874.  @liulaolao7269  Granted "The Big Guy" probably bombed the pipeline. That's what we get for Orange Man BAD! Biden Crime Family better!
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  875.  @liulaolao7269  I don't need to have your tired trite indoctrination regurgitated AGAIN. Half century old garbage you pretend is thoughtful or enlightened Same shit I heard in 1960's only much less accurate today. Make you feel superior to less brain washed? YEAH for you.
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  876.  @patrickcorcoran4828  Nonsense. WE THE STOCKHOLDERS agreed to it and were rewarded spectacularly for it. FSD is late, too bad, Mary Barra, Peter Rawlinson (pick your CEO) were wrong about everything, running their companies into oblivion while cashing in big time. Don't pretend this is about justice or law, it's 100% political lawfare. The USA is a certified Banana Republic. Just wait for your turn to have a contract revoked and get paid zero for 6 yrs of busting your brain and ass. (not that you'd have any concept of hard work)
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  877. I could see it in the Australian Outback or middle Nevada, NOT for ME tho.
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  878. "for obvious reasons"...yeah EDS runs deep. Stupid Tools. Here in the USA Elon has gained massive new patronage, 70% support DOGE.
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  879. Don't fall for the night time "solar energy" claims. Moon light or star light??....nothing there to work with Sam, categorically BULLSHIT.
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  880.  @i6power30  Done properly today it can be safe as anything. See what they can come up with using modern tech. I don't fear atmospheric CO2 but we have to faze out fossils.
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  881.  @sabymondal  Been great so far, still up 4 or 5X, this disconnect from reality is hilarious, won't last indefinitely. That the Establishment is tripping on themselves to fabricate nonsense created this once in a lifetime opportunity for the 2nd time since May 2019--thinking of a mortgage on my home or selling one of my fave BMWs just to buy more. EASILY 10X from here over next 4 or 5 yrs. Twit files have shown a light on the incredible corruption, election manipulation, etc., etc., of Establishment social and propaganda media in collusion with FBI, DHS and the rest. And Tesla doesn't pay the media mafia protection racket, aka., advertising.
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  882.  @sabymondal  You do realize that the Twitter files have blown the lid off the biggest scandal in US history? Tesla, SpaceX and the rest can't likely exist let alone thrive in the Banana Republic the USA has become. Better start paying attention to what matters instead of what the evil Establishment Machine is feeding you.
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  883.  @davidbeppler3032  BOY Howdy. These entitled self centered little bitches need to be called out.
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  884.  @irinab7524  He said such things a few times over last half decade, if whining bitches don't like it they shouldn't own the stock. Elon specifically told us in 2018 he doesn't want that sort owning stock.
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  885. Yet Tesla is dominating IN China despite special help from CCP to the likes of BYD.
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  886. Environmental concerns are a cover story. Real motives lie elsewhere. Tesla is building small real forests to "compensate" for cellulose farm trees.
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  887.  @darylfoster7944  I think he's referring to V-12, how you could know that about 12 is beyond me, it's only just been released to a few customers.
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  888. Unions are for slackers, productive folks don't need or want them.
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  889.  @LongDefiant  Lol. Not if you are stupid and running in circles like a meth addict it isn't. Have you ever tried it? Doesn't sound like it. If you want to find out your real productive value--start your own business and see how much you can produce and be rewarded for it. Try to escape your garbage NeoMarxist indoctrination.
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  890. Maybe we need ONE private independent standard .... something akin to UL standards, they can simply test every vehicle with a little care and majorly beat current standards in accuracy.
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  891. I feel nothing but contempt for the family, hope they suffer endlessly, zero respect for opportunistic parasites.
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  892. Covid has nothing to do with current lockdowns in China, something else is going on and it doesn't bode well for anyone.
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  893. It works for the industries being subsidized by the taxes paid by customers, not so great for customers or nation as a whole necessarily. It's part of the reason American pickup OEMs make so much and we pay so much for those rigs. US doing the same in regards to EVs too, get around that by building factories here. To reduce dependence on Chinese raw materials is a good, important thing, as they have and will put the hurt on us for whatever reason. CCP cut off Ausie coal imports simply for Australian calls to investigate covid origins.
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  894. Yeah except they can't mass produce what they already have nor profit on them. It's not a matter of desirability it's lack of capability.
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  895. Unions probably more detrimental than all that, toxic culture. Tesla makes good money there for reasonably priced top tier cars. Germany screwed the pooch shutting down nukes, high priced energy punishes everything. Add the crippling bureaucracy.
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  896. And what the heck is wrong with Elon expressing his political views? (17:00) You want a polished cowardly PC CEO?...go to Ford or Mary BS Barra. (or anywhere else really)
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  897. I was AGREEING WITH YOU just adding to your comment.
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  898. And what's wrong with his Tweets other than "funding secured" in 2018? (he shouldn't have done that)
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  899.  @rowanbroekman3929  Good question, 20 some yrs ago I say but it depends on what one is tuned into.
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  900.  @rowanbroekman3929  I guess I was a partial, skeptical closet fanboy say 15 yrs ago. :D But I didn't have conviction for the stock until late 2018, quit trading to buy starting May 2019, scared self with big purchase then quadrupled down over next few months. Hard to be objective when a man has made you modestly wealthy. (obviously that's just the easy to quantify part, not the most important necessarily)
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  901. MNM only criticizes government when theirs an R in the WH.
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  902. Opening comments spot on, why I loath seatbelt, helmet laws and the like, social Darwinism is not optional.
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  903. Government is largely irrelevant, they just want to take credit for a revolution they have very little good to do with. Legacy auto is just showing how crap they are.
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  904.  @electricviking  "The World is a Mirror"...albeit a blurry one. The attitude you project tends to be similar to that you receive back. I did a lot of hitchhiking from around 8 to my mid 20's and had it down to a science. Absolutely crucial to face traffic and have a positive attitude, not always easy if you've been stranded for a few hrs. Motorists WILL gage your state of mind at a glance, you can't fake it, and it makes all the difference as to whether they stop for you or not. Looking each driver in the eye makes it harder to pass you by. Had a lot of interesting good experiences that way. Still pick up others to this day.
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  905.  @229andymon  Seriously? U think a company profits off of injuries? WOW. Get an F'n JOB already.
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  906.  @229andymon  I started at 17 in 1978, first industrial job, union mine mill. Everything union made things worse. Quickly drove me to start my own tiny contracting biz, only thing GOOD unions ever did for me. Unions are little mafias with no value added. A good man is GOLD, writes his own ticket. Unions homogenize, dilute, cut down the tall flowers pretending to uphold the lazy. Everyone loses.
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  907. Turns out the air is more slippery and gravity less in California than Germany.
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  908. No one wanted the Ipace, failed.
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  909. Jim Farley reminds me of the previous Boeing CEO, real slick salesman, and prior Ford CEO Mark Fields, super smooth talker, make me nervous. Neither of them did so well.
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  910.  @hwirtwirt4500  How many Lightening's have been, will be produced? How much are they making on them? (losing I mean)
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  911. Rarely could afford any sort of magazine at 8 plus yrs old...but got a job at THE (small town) golf course picking up, washing and racking range balls--that entailed a lot of golf cart driving, I'd have paid them to do it, not a car but it was DRIVING. 😄
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  912. ​ @chrisschneiders6734  You sound misreble, better work on yourself, projecting won't serve you any better than it has so far.
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  913. Cathie is obligated to sell TSLA anytime it outperforms her fund as a whole, then she buys it back lower, trading around a position to keep TSLA from exceeding 10% of the entire fund for long...it's a defining characteristic of that type of fund.
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  914.  @December314  Look at a globe, it's downhill from North to South. 🙃
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  915.  @DanRyzESPUK  Next your going to tell me they usually all have 4 wheels on the road?!
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  916.  @DanRyzESPUK  No I was waiting for you to tell us all--you are clearly proud of your pointless trivia which is a poor substitute for intelligence but it's all ya got so..... HA!
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  917.  @joeking433  Get a grip child, not everything is meant seriously.
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  918.  @geelangfordo3272  Twitter would have been bankrupt within a yr had Elon not taken it over and it's thriving today like never before. You didn't know this? You need to avoid Establishment propaganda, it's not serving you well.
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  919.  @geelangfordo3272  WRONG. Twitter/X is thriving like never before, that's not saying much as it was a failing activist organization that never made a profit.
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  920.  @geelangfordo3272  Nope. It's thriving like never before.
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  921.  @Fjsbdjdh  "Vandalism is a human right." Apparently.
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  922.  @karlwest437  Most of the propaganda against BEVs--fire hazard, battery life, range, on and on, is driven by those rejecting force. I argue against them but sympathize with their anti-Nanny State impulses which are generally healthy in our overreaching Western governments.
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  923. @ Thanks, didn't want to sound fancy. :D
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  924.  @larryc1616  Just wait until they are taxed and unionized. ;-)
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  925. Let legacies wallow in self deception, relax everything will be FINE. (as TSLA hodler)
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  926. Shouting 'likely scam' yes, not actual copycat but trolling for retarded children gamblers.
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  927. With all due humor and respect--the colonies (USA) will give Euro a run for it just because of Tesla but also Chinese/Asian batt and EV investment. (VW and others too?) I believe Tesla may produce 4M in The States alone by late 2025?...no guarantees but Austin is going to be building and ramping for the foreseeable future with production rates well beyond even Tesla-China is today while Shanghai, Berlin and whatever TBA plants, continue to ramp for yrs too, baring more CCP insanity, etc.
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  928. Too bad Marry Barra isn't 35 yrs younger--she'd have a productive place on the back streets of Las Vegas.
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  929.  @dijikstra8  "Perfectly safe"? No such thing, many of those you mention are no where near as safe as a Tesla. But it's none of my biz what personal risks others take, I've used seatbelts decades before they were mandatory, similar for motorcycle/bicycle helmets, but I think such laws are dumb, even immoral.
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  930. Yeah it's trivial semantics IMO. Not about shifts but about claimed capacity which is not static as improvements are made over time.
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  931.  @jimjardine4705  I can't think of an American car I'd want other than a Tesla maybe. There aren't many BMWs I'd own either, my 2001 330 has cost me very little and still fun to drive tho due for some work and well worn. 2011 M3 still excites me every day I drive it, never had a problem with it but it's still 'youngish'. Have you ever driven one or just regurgitating what you've heard?
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  932. Legacies race to out spend eachother instead of out produce eachother.
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  933. Tesla dramatically kills all others for value in US and Euro markets.
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  934. Wondering WHEN (not if) NIO follows Tesla by abandoning it's batt swap model.
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  935.  @robertwilson738  Some of best ever automotive taste and style, or just pure old fangled utility which is it's own beauty. :D Brits got it going on there. Hope that heritage survives the decade in SOME form. Growing up one of our friends, generally modest doctor family, had a dark green E-type Jag in the garage in `70's....infrequently he drove it and no one else was allowed to touch it, always a head turner. Only the doc with a 911 could compete in my tiny town USA hood. lol
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  936. Imagine doing it like THAT. This is why we are much more prosperous today. :D
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  937. Polestar if you are mentally fragile, indoctrinated, lazy or stupid, vs Tesla.
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  938. Won't make a dent in it.
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  939. Either is equally stupid.
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  940.  @DreDresChapters  Some POSs get off on damaging shiny objects they can't afford. Had a crankster deliberately ram my old E46 330 for absolutely NO reason...career loser criminal, yrs later appeared in local news having stabbed couple ppl with a knife. Good argument for keeping repeat offenders locked up.
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  941.  @thyristo  Should be difficult to not be seen approaching to cover cams, that would require special effort that these losers aren't likely to put into anything.
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  942.  @someuser7501  Yeah it's not a new or unusual practice. Figure it's unlikely some imbecile will be motivated to walk halfway across a lot to do something so pointless.
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  943. Diess is good for where he came from but still a product of backwards legacy auto, not a good fit for Tesla, top tier T executives should and I think will be in line for CEO succession plan.
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  944.  @mrwhips3623  I could write a book on my trivial to the universe but crucial to ME accomplishments (and failures). That's besides the point, what has your hero done? Simple question.
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  945. Vandalism.
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  946. We'll fuck it up in Cali, trust me. 😄
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  947. Hospital did a lot more damage than good it sounds like, hmmm? Not uncommon.
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  948. Order of magnitude more since horizontal drilling and fracking tech revolution. (more than prior to mid/late 2000's) Apparently many massive similar shale formations all over Earth.
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  949.  @imfloridano5448  Interesting idea, sounds likely under assumptions-- can't be oil, or liquid alone, has to be compressible something, gas on top of oil, and there needs to be significant friction for gas compression to dissipate energy, not just a spring but damper too. Those requirements seem typical in real life. Even if real may not be 'significant', IDK. (ignoring the sources of said waves)
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  950.  @billcichoke2534  Toy is TOAST and Tesla makes most desirable general purpose cars on the planet. Toy drowning in debt like the rest of legacy auto and way too late to make the now obvious transition. They had their day, did a great job for decades. Damn dumb to buy a new Camry or even a Corolla over a Tesla in the USA today. Why don't you try a Tesla some day, obvious you haven't. Yeah BYD a CCP darling, Tesla has nearly 100% of the profits in the space globally.
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  951.  @billcichoke2534  Government "force" is unfortunate and deserves backlash. But obviously you are completely disconnected from reality of Teslas, it's OK you'll be driving a BEV before end of decade for market reasons and desirability and be very happy with it.
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  952.  @billcichoke2534  DUDE! You have no idea what your talking about. ZEV is a small fraction of their profits and the stock price has NOTHING to do with any of it. I suppose it's accounting tricks that makes their cash pile continuously grow by billions per quarter, hmmm? Get out of your tiny bubble and experience some reality, I know we all fall into bubbles but yours is really not serving you well. There has been no VC infusions in over half a decade. Better check your sources and your emotions trumping facts, they have completely bamboozled you. But HEY--this sort of childish nonsense has contributed significantly to my fortune.
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  953. They are ALL F'ed. Appreciate the details and update but we've been expecting this for many yrs.
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  954. Anyone else remember when Wall St. panned Tesla for Supercharger investments? (yeah they panned T. for just about everything) Willows, CA is only 45 minutes from me, rural area but on the key I-5, N. South artery.
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  955.  @grantguy8933  Fools and their money will part one way or another. There were no investors--only savvy Wall St. opportunists traders and moronic retail gamblers. ZERO sympathy for any of them.
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  956. Where does the Elon/Tesla hate originate? I get that some simpletons on the Right reflexively revolt against any "greenies" and some self loathing total idiots on the far Left hate ultra wealthy.
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  957. It's apparently a dual motor hybrid w V8, so more likely an engine fire, ICE cars burn 10X more often than BEVs.
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  958. Fully support all sensible options, that means drill baby drill rt now and let the market place accelerate the transition away from fossils as it's doing the job now. Petrochems won't increase faster for long, fossils for energy days are numbered but it's asinine to force it ahead of practicle limitations, going to take a couple decades and that's OK CO2 is not the villain it's made out to be from corporate media/government propaganda.
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  959.  @labandonaldhock80  You don't understand...all combined uses beyond fuel are tiny in comparison and can easily enough, cost effective at far lower than today's petroleum price, be made from biomass profitably. Oil is the easiest extracted commodity to replace other than water. Example: Local to me we have massive piles of wood chips that used to be consumed in wood fired electric plants, much more is readily available but now burned dirty in open fields (retarded politics). A subsidiary of Shell Oil proposed a $200M plant to turn the cellulose into diesel, kerosene (Jet fuel) with some H left over. (goes without saying that rubber, plastics, fertilizers, lubricants, etc., can be made instead) Not sure if it will happen but it's a viable technology, the only thing likely slowing it down is previous cheap petrol and toxic California policy environment against building anything new. Many other ways to create oil and it's derivatives for everything but mass surface transport fuel, not about to be enough for that. Gasoline and diesel going to be mostly obsolete by say 2035/40. Methane for rockets can be created from electricity, air and water...or obviously, decaying biomass.
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  960.  @labandonaldhock80  HAhahaha! OKAY petroleum comes from comet dust... GOT IT , all I need to know about your opinion. Sending wood chips over seas reeks of retarded government largess but IDK the specifics, entirely irrelevant regardless. Good night/day Sir, I don't suffer bullshit nor have time to explain a scrap of geology to you.
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  961.  @patrickryan2614  They've operated fine that way all along.
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  962. A smaller hatchback model would seem necessary for Euro market. (Elon said they'd ultimately be covering ALL major segments) I'm guessing we'll see Tesla light, medium and heavy trucks, multiple sizes of vans, ATVs.....before this decade is up.
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  963.  @nguyep4  Naturally.
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  964. 1st pictured vans are TOO Hideous to own
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  965. New version is truly great for the price.
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  966. Silly semantics. Could as well target "automobile". Tesla apparently took it from aircraft use of the term and it sure doesn't mean airline pilots can leave the cockpit.
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  967. I avoid fake news, CNN in top ten worst.
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  968. Tesla apparently understated the Plaid hp, independent dino test showed 1220 hp.
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  969. TSLA forward PE is around 22.
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  970.  @customsolutions7167  UFOs!! (don't look over here) Good point. Any news not scandal news is GOOD NEWS.
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  971. Broadcasting same complete lack of imagination in exact same way they've done for decades--spend a ton to total a car. But HEY, as long as they didn't steal it.
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  972.  @michaelmcgrath7465  Nothing fails like prayer, the positive sentiment should be welcome however.
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  973. Wouldn't that work in the opposite direction? Or your thinking it's just until January when price will dramatically increase?
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  974.  @eb1888.  Right, that makes sense.
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  975. With you on that but those will require machinery to move around. At what point do we have repurposed used car batts for stationary storage on the cheap?
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  976.  @theairstig9164  It's a reality today in California...if you mean the "virtual grid" via optional home/business batts as peaker-plant replacements, feeding the grid for brief intervals on max demand hrs. It won't stop in Cali, tho the current (pun) return will need adjustment over time. Will be international. TLTR!::::: Test runs suggest homeowner may recieve10 to $60 per event from utility Co Presumably a few hrs each typ. You can opt in or out at anytime, specify personal reserve minimum and so on, naturally. 'Events' could be months apart or a few per week when ACs running max, mid summer afternoon. (tentative understanding) So you can automatically draw from grid at low prices to sell back or combined w excess solar. Peak solar is close to peak demand in a Cali type climate tho right when u need it most too maybe.
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  977. 3:44 What's flapping around lose underside rear??
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  978. EVERY nation has it's problems and risks, a few wackos don't define a nation. American government, certainly the CCP and German powers all are among biggest risks to Tesla and other companies.
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  979. Our wonderful governments will tax our taxes if they can get away with it.
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  980.  @nguyep4  Exactly. 1200 in total sounds like the VW circus that failed in part because of too many, dozens of the best available is more productive.
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  981. Establishment Media Mafia is worse than obsolete, it's corrosive and destructive.
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  982.  @leonardschoenborn9209  Agreed, even thinking of ordering as it's going to take 3 yrs...weak use case tho, NEVER seriously tht of buying one. Still concerned about full front crash safety, It'll be good but question it will be great...just based on that one front crash vid, how long does it take to stop is crucial, vid seemed to indicate less crush distance than I hoped for. Two tanks banging into eachother cause fatal crashes inside, lol. Compare it to a T car, VERY limited info., not a deal breaker, we'll see but I'll guess it's not as safe by some metrics as 3 & Y.
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  983. NOT too impressed by claims of warbucks, 20, 30, $90B invested in next few yrs! Bet they get 1/4 as much done per dollar as Tesla. Spending is easy, spending a lot WELL is hard.
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  984. Would you put your family in that death trap and send them down the highway? Not I. But I welcome the options and esp this information.
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  985. Few yrs go by fast, that's roughly time frame I'm guessing.
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  986. Pay protection to Establishment Media Mafia or else.
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  987. They will, IDK when. OR Optimus, OR just continue to dominate EV and energy storage space plus software licensing and all the rest.
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  988.  @aladdin8372  Not even close but it is apparently slightly priced in today. By decade end 5T is great but way low IMO, a lot has to go wrong for that to happen. Anyway--been a good ride over last 4.5 yrs, I'll stick with the horse that got me here.
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  989.  @truhartwood3170  As a rule they should be hauling max load for any significant distance.
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  990.  @truhartwood3170  Get a grip. Since when do you see serious semi carriers with only 5 on them? 5 car carriers are literally for *pickup trucks*. Likely it's just a lack of charging infrastructure which will obviously be remedied over time, still not a good look.
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  991.  @truhartwood3170  LOOK at the damn little trailer, it only has 5 capacity. GOOD GRIEF. Had they dropped 3 and carried on 5 that's different, not possible with that puny Tesla setup.
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  992.  @truhartwood3170  Some of you are so damned emotional you can't see straight with the slightest hint of criticism of supreme being Tesla. (sort of like the cult of the man Nikola Tesla)
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  993. Definitely a place for little city cars like this, bad luck if you get T-boned in an intersection but that's been true for tiny ICE cars forever too.
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  994. Only pointless self-loathing children make negative comments on appearances. Good GRIEF. BTW--looking extra sharp today! :D
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  995. When did Jag ever build a car that wasn't constantly failing? ICE versions are a nightmare.
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  996. HEY! Quit making fun of Creepy Joe our most criminal prez ever.
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  997.  @nickkacures2304  Energy and oil is what it always was and will be. Supply and demand. Don't vilify fossil fuel Co.s, they saved the whales and global forests, no mean feat. They made little in recent yrs and doing catch up now. They made us prosperous, only serving our needs and desires. Time for next several decades for fossils to fade away. Hats off salute no all they've done for us.
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  998. ANYTHING is better than a Jeep Patriot! 😅 (no offense just my half informed impression)
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  999.  @newsgeekus1216  With the exception of Chinese and maybe a couple Euro brands, the competition continues to fall further behind. Have you not noticed the trouble F and GM are in? Or that the auto market is cyclical and we are in a downturn that is going to terminate a ton of dealerships and a few online use car shops? Have you noticed even BYD sales drop precipitously? US legacies have basically tossed in the towel, pedaling crappy hybrids that won't last the decade to delay the inevitable which they are going to be LESS capable of meeting by then.
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  1000.  @sinjab5908  Yes they do, not all but most are Noobs, a few yrs ain't enough. I've been following for decade and a half and it took me, say 5yrs, to gain confidence.
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  1001.  @newsgeekus1216  I mean no offense, not my job to change anyone's mind, but I call out BS where I see it.
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  1002.  @newsgeekus1216  Skepticism and questioning should always be welcomed, certainly Elon wouldn't be where he is if he didn't embrace intelligent challenges to his thinking. Robo by August need not happen, that's the reveal of specifics, the actual cars, the biz plan. Tesla team can see FSD 3 to 6 months forward of where it's released today. TSLA will be sailing if robos begin in late 2025 say, if it's later that's worse but the TAM is spectacular a few yrs forward. Every other MFG will have to license software from Tesla, that process could start at anytime, similar to the charging network access, one domino (likely Ford) will fall and the rest will follow. It'll take a few yrs to implement in other MFGs so they best get moving.
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  1003.  @rickhammond2473  A lot of that depends on how many miles you average per yr. One extreme--Uber drivers find that their savings on fuel alone makes the car payment on a Tesla. On the other hand if you only drive a few thousand miles per yr you can be content in that '94 Civic indefinitely...or until you get T-boned by and F-150 and squashed.
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  1004. It's OK, Tesla will by the few scraps of GM worth a dime, on the cheap, after they go belly up in couple yrs.
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  1005. Exactly, she only trades to maintain her max limit on any one holding, doesn't have anything to do with said events.
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  1006. That's what all wheel drive is for, don't high center on bikers as easily.
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  1007. Yeah it failed, no one wanted it.
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  1008.  @daveamies5031  Not a question of waking up, typical evolution, new tech always starts out expensive and rapidly drops as volume increases (paid $8k for my 1st desktop computer, 1989, just to barely run software I wanted it for, inflation adjusted) Good news is your way is only a few yrs away. Sooner perhaps used, I never buy new. Very good affordable options from Asia and Tesla OTW. $25 to $30k with near zero maintenance and 1/4 the price to own/operate? Depends on your circumstance and how many miles you drive.
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  1009.  @daveamies5031  Bit of petrol head here, zero desire for EV yet , can't bare to part w beloved 3 pedal 2011 BMW M3 and that singing 9k revving V8, tho could sell it for $40k and invest lk an adult. :D 22 yr old BMW 330 still a fun towny/daily. But if you were an Uber driver the savings in fuel alone makes the Model 3 payment and does a great job.
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  1010.  @daveamies5031  Yeah you can't have miracles, next gen Tesla will be affordable not a tow vehicle. Most commuters never tow. 2nd hand market in couple/few yrs M-3 for you.
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  1011.  @daveamies5031  Uber driver one extreme end of spectrum, high mileage means fast pay off while the dude only driving 2 or 3k miles/yr can run that '94 Civic indefinitely at low cost...you are somewhere between.
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  1012.  @daveamies5031  You don't want your tow load to even approach dominating your tow vehicle. Possibly your boat and trailer are light enough for next gen T? But the 3 is compact enough at least for American streets.
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  1013. Rivian driver simply collecting some free power for the picture, clever dude.
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  1014. Probably a gasoline fire as ICE burn 10X more often than BEVs and this was apparently a V8 hybrid dual motor monstrosity.
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  1015.  @jestercat7723  Obviously they'll offer a discount for a form of delivery that saves them thousands. What if the truck driver crashes with your car on it or it get's hit by a meteorite?! You don't have to accept the car either way dingbat. The reason you can't afford a Tesla is due to your emotional response to monetary issues, failing to save a buck per mile is why you are a peasant. :D
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  1016.  @jestercat7723  Ding ding ding....some of us have business sense and others are poor and "happy" (apparently) to continue to be clueless peasants. OBVIOUSLY Tesla knows there is a slight devaluation to a car with a few miles on it and will give up most of the cost difference in order to save time and the shipping balance. Moot point as you won't be purchasing one anyway, frankly that's best, as one of millions with a fortune in the name I don't like to see idiots in the brand.
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  1017.  @jestercat7723  I drove old econboxes for decades, as a result I can now drive what I WANT to drive...wouldn't recommend to most anyone else but 2011 BMW M3 (old BMW 330 as daily, still fun), 3 pedal is most engaging, visceral and something of a replacement for the "crotch rockets" of my youth which I also wouldn't recommend. lol. For a family sled I'd recommend a Tesla 3 or Y-- obviously?....completely diff class of vehicle.
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  1018.  @jestercat7723  Boy howdy, nearly scrapped my old 330 last month due to someone rolling out in front of pickup to my right (sitting low I couldn't see it coming) and pickup swerving into my lane as hard and quick as it could and me swerving into center lane to make room...missed eachother by maybe 3 ft. or 1/4 second. Why I have a daily driver, aka., "towny" and one of litany of reasons I choose rural over urban life, can't stand daily 'soul crushing traffic'. Here in Commifornia city centers have gone to hell anyway, not fun anymore. We have some world class lessor traveled mountain roads in farther N. Cali to enjoy with stunning destinations, unreproducible natural landscape why I put up with horrific political landscape....plus business and general entrenchment, climate and a loathing for flatlands. Enjoy whatever you do! :D
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  1019. As Commifornia lifer for 6 decades, we set trends both good and bad. 40 plus yrs of one party dominance has hurt us, hopefully reaching peak stupidity. I'd have diff list of gripes if Rednecks had dominated for 4 decades but we need more common sense.
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  1020. Sure with a suitcase size antenna, that'll sell lk hotcakes for $3000.
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  1021.  @Markcain268  IDK if you are trolling here but the first thing is to open an online broker account, don't fret too much on which one, just get started, you can change brokers later if you want. Yes you can buy and sell anytime the market is open, but DO NOT trade, invest for the long term. Retail (aka., amateur traders lose), over time you must gain a solid base of conviction in whatever COMPANIES you own so that you don't sell at the worst possible time, when the company is doing great but the stock, or market as a whole is falling. Don't confuse price action with company prospects, ultimately the two will align but not in the short term.
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  1022. UAW alone can cause most of these problems at Ford, then there is the crippling debt load, dealership tax, ICE burden (not an asset).
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  1023.  @nox5555  It's genocide if you are referring to the Chinese Muslims, does that mean that YOU purchase nothing from China ever? What does Tesla have to do with that? Would the persecution diminish if Tesla left China?? Stupidly simple and ignorant.
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  1024.  @nox5555  They are sterilizing masses of ppl, as to suppliers that could be more complicated. Again--DO YOU ever purchase anything from China, if so you are guilty as Tesla or more so.
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  1025.  @nox5555  If you have any specifics on which suppliers and what those entities have to do with the persecution--please enlighten me, otherwise it's just heresy. How about doing biz under the evil CCP at all? Where do you draw the line? The entire nation is living under terrible tyranny.
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  1026.  @togowack  They also need to get used to blatant scams. No one is going to build significant H2 stations, they are fundamentally uneconomic. Nikola will perpetuate the charade to fleece the naïve then go under. The stock is worth zero but at least it can't go negative.
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  1027.  @togowack  It will be interesting to see if justice goes beyond Trevor Milton, no doubt the fraud goes well beyond him, he's just the most public face of it. Mark has conman written all over him, I wouldn't trust him with lunch money.
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  1028.  @vasil7410  Of course, and predictably more so over time.
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  1029. Scrap the retarded swapping nonsense for starters.
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  1030. American Leftists are the tyrants, tune into reality instead of being a tool of propaganda.
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  1031. American here--IDK but that Chevy burner somehow not attractive. Should be Toy Prius level of uptake tho, lot's of those around. If I owned a Bolt it'd have those classic hotrod flames on the side. HA!
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  1032. It's an arbitrary temporary label for a vehicle they are committed to producing. Good GRIFE.
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  1033. 1:30 a personal fave pic of CT to date. Really looks good there, not just the cartoon wrap. I'd leave mine bare SS, should have put order in for the measly $100 but don't need one, would be fun tho, crashing around dirt roads in Sierra foothills right out my back door.
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  1034. Just IN! All new Bolt owners get a dozen hotdogs and bag o marshmallows with every purchase
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  1035. Never mind all the damage dams do to river systems, salmon runs, etc., not all that clean. Trudeau is one of the most despicable tyrants in the Western World, makes most corrupt ever, brain dead Biden seem decent.
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  1036. Surely CCP insanity is decreasing demand in China, zero Covid has major impacts.
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  1037. YEAH...y'all upside down will get a batch o' CTs, say in 24 months, which isn't terrible.
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  1038. We need more in the atmosphere too.
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  1039. It's more virtue signaling, only this time won't have any effect at all, unlike all the nasty problems with energy we are having now from recent history of the same sort of nonsense, catering to unscientific media born climate alarmism. And while the pols dodge responsibility for the mess we're in now, they'll take full credit for the BEV revolution which they had nothing good to do with.
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  1040. Correction: Mary BS Barra.
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  1041. HE's not polarizing it's the Leftist Establishment MACHINE doing that. Ask anyone who doesn't like Elon or Tesla why, they don't know just that they're emotions were manipulated.
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  1042. You bought a LEMON! :D
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  1043. Just another reality check on the mindless propaganda indoctrinated tools of the Establishment Orwellian narrative.
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  1044. Irrelevant to topic.
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  1045.  @hansweissmann_xviii6754  Monopolies are a thing and not associated with this vid. Get over your infantile self and U might actually learn something.
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  1046. Elon bought Twit to free the Bird, some find that necessity hard to fathom but maybe the biggest service he ever did for the planet.
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  1047. GM managed 3500 welds and half as many parts for Hummer batt pack...won't let complexity die easy. 😄
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  1048. Intuitively obvious fail from get go. Governments have no monetary discipline or threat of going out of business, therefore they fail at economic policies constantly.
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  1049. I've roughly 10Xed on TSLA and expect another 10X well before decade end. Only IDIOTS compare Elon to fascists or Putin.
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  1050.  @douglasburnside  Yes I take such 'breakthroughs' w grain of salt too. But he has broad base of knowledge on industry in general.
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  1051.  @thomasruwart1722  I won't waste our time, but I could tell some stories about unions I've encountered. Began to loath them right from my first industrial job as 17 yr old. The only thing they ever did for me was help convince me to start my own business at 20. Union Pacific Railroad union was an incredible shit show for my couple weeks contracting for them. Track maintenance crew raised hell about my presence up and down the line, despite the fact that no one around was remotely either willing or able to do my work. They got zero warning when the project was to terminate bc that would allow the workers to steal everything in sight, it was cheaper to suddenly lay them off and pay the 2 extra weeks. (oops, guess that was a story, lol) Yeah I'm late boomer.
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  1052. Any company that teams with GM is highly suspect, GM famous for choosing LOSERS.
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  1053. Clearly. Old BMW fan here but times are a change'n.
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  1054.  @luigimanzoni2705  Interesting. Can you summarize why that's the case? (realize "irrational" doesn't loan itself to "why" but they must have some 'reasons')
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  1055. Yes those cans are used that way and my understanding is CATL is making that form for Tesla. But it's not a huge deal to do the batt pack with blades or whatever, still structural. Batt pack should always be structural to some degree, it's always has some strength/rigidity which should reduce 'body in white' structure in that area of vehicle no matter who's building the car. For Tesla they can simply build the pack a little different to get the same structural properties out of it even if small trade offs required in weight and complexity, that way the rest of car can be identical with either type of pack.
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  1056.  @MorriesWigShop  I can hear your ignorance in your posts. Update yourself. ;-)
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  1057.  @rogerstarkey5390  Not going to write a thesis statement here. You don't see much of what's actually happening, do you? You either have confidence in the facts, hints and expectations expressed by Tesla or you don't. Did you SEE when they modified the front/rear castings or went from 1 to 2, and all the other improvements? Not until they were out on the street you didn't, and then not until Sandy Munro exposed them. Not my job to convince anyone else. I've followed Tesla and Elon for over a decade with increasing intensity, made a fortune on it and expect to dwarf that going forward. If you are looking for absolute certainty you are in the wrong universe. Doesn't exist. That it's HARD is why the opportunity is so great, STILL. Decide for yourself. Your conclusions and choices are not my burden or concern.
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  1058.  @rogerstarkey5390  Another angle: We've seen FAR more stressful times in Tesla, 2018 the worst in recent memory, Elon was sleeping on the factory floor for many months, for all to see that HE was getting it worse than anyone else and there to be woken at any moment to solve problems on the assembly line as they struggled with the ultimate test of 1st mass production. Wasn't clear they would survive but Elon never quits. Today Elon is confident, relaxed and enjoying himself. Not complacent but able to laugh easy. Possible he's kidding himself but probably not to THAT degree. I have reason to expect they will solve crucial problems and continue to perform like no one else even attempts to. If the 4680 continues to lag, as it has so far (no big surprise to me), it won't be pain free but they'll find a way as they always have. Such confidence doesn't come quick and easy, I as millions of others, stressed with them. Over the yrs you begin to understand, they don't DO EASY but they find a way. Probably Elon's greatest strength is building spectacular teams and motivating them to do the barely possible. You may not have that confidence, most understandably don't, but you may not have "seen" what I and others lived thru. As an investment--I can only suggest you take the time to gain SOME of that same sentiment or simply stay clear. There are no shortcuts. Without REAL CONVICTION you'll bail at the worst possible time. Many claim conviction but betray the opposite by fretting over meaningless stock price action. They don't want to admit it but they are not invested they are gambling, a losers game.
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  1059. Probably a very good rig, too bad it looks like an AMC Gremlin from the 1980's. And then there's the issue of if Rivian can survive.
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  1060. It should take the golf cart market by storm!
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  1061. Reign in the Union Mafias NOW. They are acting as a monopoly, forcing their will on workers who don't want or need their insidious tax.
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  1062. I think 100% growth is more reasonable--that means 2 for 2022.
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  1063.  @danharold3087  Ahh yes I guess I heard some reference to that, IF it's 3mm thick you don't need much stress distribution, just a small plate inside with nuts attatched.
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  1064. He hasn't changed a bit in at least 30 yrs, the Left has gone tyrannical and insane.
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  1065. Dodging and deflecting...sounds like a dodgy company.
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  1066. CCP doesn't know what reactionary response it'll do next week. 😄
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  1067. FSD is the answer, nothing short of serious AI will ever work, heuristics can't do it and that's what everyone not named Tesla (and maybe Chinese) is attempting.
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  1068. Everyone knew that last yr.
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  1069. The Establishment is crapping their pants over conversations they can no longer control. Bill Gates has been spending millions to get advertisers off Twitter, who knows what he has to hide including his affiliation with Epstein, someone wanted him dead for good reasons.
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  1070. It is but it's only moral support, won't git it dun.
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  1071. Another bead of silicone around seams, applied by flunky high school kid who doesn't give a damn, call it good to go.
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  1072. Common MAN! getting us to comment on Cramer's take on autonomous is cheap. You know the answer. hahaha GOOD WORK Sir! (in general as well)
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  1073. FSD a few yrs out optimistically, hopefully not like fusion power. lol
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  1074. Batts are 'cheap' and becoming commoditized, and Tesla hasn't proven capacity to competitively produce cells at scale.
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  1075.  @strangefire2024  He covers plenty, all of it. So much so fast that he's prone to error sometimes, my critique, but usually gets the bigger picture. Quit watching most of his "weekly" batt breakthrough vids long ago tho, I've been hearing about such for half a century already. (was 'a big deal' about storing energy in flywheels at one point, still mentioned occasionally)
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  1076.  @pauli2753  Quit projecting, good grief.
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  1077.  @pauli2753  Not my job or concern to convince anyone of anything. Take value where you find it and dismiss the rest. Tesla is thriving globally. Y sold more units than any other model from any other brand, any propulsion category, on Earth last yr.
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  1078. At it's norm really.
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  1079.  @mackan7086  That has nothing to do with it, they have certain metrics that are supposed to be rigorously adhered to, it's not about anyone's opinion. IDK that S&P failed here or not, just say'n. Can't be long before Tesla get's the rating if it has any valid meaning at all, that will facilitate some additional interest in the stock. Buffet has been wrong about Tesla since it was $40, will probably get on board when it hits $10T market cap, lol.
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  1080.  @GET2222  F150 very good for short range plus power bank.
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  1081. This is NOT the 1st time, couple yrs ago they stigmatized and singled out Teslas to be pulled over on the road. Flexing I guess, didn't last too long last time but the CCP is my biggest concern for TSLA. You'll never see Elon dancing on stage in China again, don't want to be a celebrity there it's deadly.
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  1082. Canada and the USA effectively also have state owned media, Canada pays all their mainstream 'news' media and the US Establishment media is in collusion with the FBI, DHS and other DC politicized agencies.
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  1083. Successfully undermined democracy, radical activism and censorship, collusion with FBI, CIA, DHS....
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  1084. American Rednecks are not necessarily intellectually challenged, certainly not more so than far Leftists, they just live differently. Economics will bring EVs to everyone in time.
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  1085. Climate alarmist religion not based on reality so it can't cause any productive change.
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  1086. 3 looks better, at least some versions, 'highland' will be incrementally but significantly better still. Aesthetics aside I bet a week of driving Volvo would make you anxious to get back to the 3--software & compute, efficiency, proven.
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  1087. Take 2: 7:00 those pointless fender haunches and utility killing angles/edges, wheels hanging out in space like a sloppy '70's American land yacht or clumsy SUV, make it look ridiculous and ugly...I gave it a chance, lol.
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  1088. Did he say 450mph? Naahhh....not close to that but maybe mid 200's. Such top speeds are even more insane than sub 2 sec 0-60.
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  1089.  @jameswilliams5921  What stupid irrelevant comment.
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  1090. I wouldn't pay much for an FD anything, rubbish.
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  1091. Everyone seems to. That's far from an investment case however.
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  1092. Ppl calling Elon an asshole have deep personal problems, projecting their self loathing most likely.
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  1093. Y'all backwards Britain Empire residuals drive on wrong side of road.
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  1094. Exactly. Computers are historically more extreme, you'd get double the value next yr but meanwhile you go without so they sell now too. lol.
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  1095.  @nordic5490  Unions just add to costs, retard advancement and corrupt everything. No need to defend that corrosive mafia.
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  1096.  @nordic5490  I've contracted for a 'thousand' outfits in the W. USA and can smell union when I first enter the premises. They add zero value while keeping useless slackers on the payroll, slashing competitiveness and agility, causing endless war between management and labor. NOTHING good about them. Tell me about your superior "education", aka., indoctrination.
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  1097. IDK man you must be off your game. 😊
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  1098. CHEERS from far NorCali Mate!
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  1099. IDK if racism is responsible for car purchase choices but it's sure rampant in China, just is. True to form the most openly racist person I can think of is my Chinese sister in law.
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  1100. The ONLY thing Elon ever said that bothered ME is "funding secured" when it apparently wasn't true. (tho one of his lawyers recently claimed otherwise, so not certain about that) Also that was in the context of 420/share which can't be taken entirely seriously.
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  1101. They are poor for a reason. Making payments is as out of control as one can be--"If u can't pay for it TWICE in CASH you can't afford it."
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  1102. As an American who still loves my 'old' BMWs....not thrilled with German mfgs demise but I am looking forward to GM going down at this point, post collusion with corrupt Biden.
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  1103. Did some months of contracting for small Li brine mine in Nevada back in the 80's. Few yrs ago it was shutdown 'with no plans to reopen' but reopen it did shortly after. See on Google Earth: Silver Peak, NV. I believe they are expanding tho a small player, I can recognize one tank I built (had unique over structure shape with spokes radiating from center) from SPACE, lol. We have a metric shit ton of lithium in USA, just not developed.
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  1104. I LIKE being in the pocket of petrol industry, makes me feel warm and secure.
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  1105.  @harmony3138  Consumer Reports is a hack outfit serving their patrons, they ding Tesla for "recalls" that are nothing more than trivial over the air updates requiring nothing from owners, which by the way, NO ONE ELSE can do a decade after Tesla began doing it brilliantly. Toy is F*ked and tossing out a different distraction every month to delay the dismal truth.
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  1106. 4:06 Ain't that CUTE, she's recognizing the existence of a black man ON CAM! (prolly savors the BBC in private but that's irrelevant)
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  1107.  @jacobnunya808  The limits of coding full stop, at that level. (but IDK what I'm talking about, just try'n to understand)
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  1108. "Sinking Alpha"? :D
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  1109. See "Connecting The Dots" on this topic!
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  1110. Those ridiculous scroll wheels look like a big problem to me, how many times per minute will one accidentally brush hand on those things bouncing around off road? Anyway--let's see if Rivian can survive long enough to build a few, hope so.
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  1111. Is money unlimited in your life? If NOT you will switch. You are going to want a 1200 mile petrol car by decade end as filling stations become sparse. So you are fine with paying 4X as much to operate a stinky ICE as a far superior in everyway BEV? You wouldn't want to miss multiple trips to the petrol station every week while your neighbors miss out by simply plugging in at home.
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  1112.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  Redwood Materials is profitably recycling batts NOW and expanding fast, they won't be the only ones.
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  1113.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  You must be one of the rare ones who drives 600 miles per day 5 days per week? And you don't need to stop and pee or get a snack for 12 hrs straight.
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  1114.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  You will soon get 300 more miles in 15 to 30 minutes charge time with Tesla and others, time enough to pee and snack? I love road trips but rarely do 600 miles per day. How about you? Plugging in at home as most do most of the time--what do you care if it takes all night? Surely 200 added miles, if you work 14 hrs/day and park only 6, for a total 300 to 400 range will get you thru the average day, NO? And you don't actually fill up in 3 minutes, 10 maybe.
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  1115.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  How dirty is recycling exactly? As bad as that oil spill off coast of my home state of California right now? I'm bit of a petrol head for several decades. Started off at 20 rebuilding small block Chevy 327 for worn out work truck I needed for my new biz, cam and header plus complete DYI overhaul, ran it for 20 yrs...rode "crotch rocket" hard daily for 15 yrs. Now love my 2011 BMW M3 with it's mechanical museum piece of a high revving, naturally aspirated, 4 valve 4 cam V8. I want to run that car until I can't walk it's the 2 wheel moto of my youth in 4 wheel form. Still enjoy my old 2001 BMW 330 too. Zero desire for an EV I want 3 pedals, rear drive with limited slip differential. LOVE the visceral nature of that V8 at 8000 rpm mated to manual trans! :D But it's not a family car nor for many anyway for the same reasons most don't drive motorcycles. But I see where it's going and why. I intend to have enough home solar and batt storage to run the house/shop and one or two EVs, minimum.
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  1116.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  You expect to learn something useful from a vid featuring idiots breaking batteries?? Good GREIF, no wonder you know nothing.
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  1117.  @MrMichaelBCurtis  I'm a fan of things that work far better than legacy things. For example--if I figured HFCs (H fuel cells) were the future, were the most efficient way forward by wide margin--I'd be a fan of HFCs. Hypothetically (not actually possible) if someone came up with a quality $25k, diesel car with only CO2 and H2O emissions AND 200 mpg, I'd be a fan of THAT!
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  1118. Torque News never much good.
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  1119. Read some of the comments on any Nikola event vid. 100% children, of whatever age, much echo encouraging and shallow rational, zero rigor no concept of numbers.
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  1120.  @markvalery8632  Again I ask--what is the ideal CO2 level in your opinion and why?
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  1121. Gas prices you mean? I'm not selling my BMW M3 anytime soon, considered it only to buy more TSLA as cheap as it's been in recent months...couldn't do it, too hard to replace.
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  1122.  @yo2trader539  Right. To be expected. How to make a good motor or batt pack was novel then.
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  1123. Good vid.
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  1124. About spit my tequila out, hahaha What IS truth from corporate media??
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  1125. Sooner GM dies the better.
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  1126. Crumple zone speculations: CT will have weakened "seams" (creases/brake lines) where appropriate such that severe impact allows separation between individual sheets of semi-flat SS, which will allow crushing, with increased seem strength toward center of vehicle, just the fore/aft last few feet progressively weakened at seams. A steel box of that thickness is way too rigid, but allowing it to become "not a box" will allow folding at reasonable impacts becoming progressively more resistant the further the intrusion.
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  1127. 1:20 Same exact crap that culture has been doing for decades, zero imagination, spend a ton to total a good car. But HEY--if they didn't steal it, their choice.
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  1128. Uhtoh...I'm going to PAY for this. Another government initiative fiasco like corn ethanol.
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  1129. Wanna help Washington?? Reduce 10 yr permitting to 2 yrs and slash fat, useless blubber, along the way. We can't mine a Gaud Damned thing in America bc of irresponsible self centered BUREAUACRCY fiefdoms. Best they can do is get the hell out of the electric ROAD
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  1130.  @Ryan_DeWitt  Poverty is a choice in much of the world, certainly the USA. But if cutting your driving cost by 4 or 5X matters, typically does, they'll be buying a BEV over next few yrs regardless of how long that ICE may last. (exception for those only driving few k miles/yr, then that '94 Civic good to go) Even before the insane subsidies, in America it's ignorant to buy a new Camry without considering a Tesla 3 or Y, even a Corolla in most cases will cost you more over 5 yrs than a Model 3. Other brands aren't there yet.
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  1131.  @Ryan_DeWitt  Anecdotally and many polls I've seen make the point of ignorance very clear. It's an argument for Tesla to do some real advertising for 1st time ever. I appreciate that many rightfully backlash against "being forced" to go EV, but that notion will be overcome by economics over next several yrs, and a much better experience overall.
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  1132.  @lambertgiang  What elixir have you consumed recently? That string of words speaks stupidity.
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  1133. Say nothing about Tesla...it's a losers game like Trevor Milton.
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  1134.  @LongDefiant  "I like your knee jerk reaction that government is 100% good and should take ALL our money to do it's thing." Do you understand the diff between limited government and anarchy? Guess it's all black and white to you.
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  1135. Couple massive wind turbines hr N. of me in farther NorCali (tons of smaller ones aren't visible from far)...find them fascinating in the distance but thinking I wouldn't want to live within, say half a kilometer of one. Seems they could be annoying too close.
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  1136. Thailand is a big PU market. Mexico, Canada, S. America, Australia...but US market big enough to make CT a BIG hit alone.
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  1137.  @PandaKnight52  Baloney. Unions exist to pay exorbitant salaries to their staff while contributing zero value. "Get paid at all" as tho anyone works for free?--most mindless claim ever. Companies that take best care of their workers get best results, PERIOD. All the rest, weekends, 8hr shifts, etc., are codified in LAW everywhere but maybe China where Communism isn't just unions it's the entire government. A century plus ago American unions had a role, even then they were violent mafias but arguably a necessary evil given monopolistic industries. That's the PAST. Sweden should bust up those mafias, forced taxation of workers and driving away industries entirely. Sure won't see anymore than minimal Tesla investments there to just sell cars, from Tesla or the Chinese MFG, industry in general. How can you defend organizations that force themselves on workers? Obviously you don't give a damn about those who want no part of that crap.
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  1138.  @kronop8884  Not OK to allow industries to become overwhelming monopolies. I'm sure Swedish government is not hands off on that. For similar reasons there must be guardrails, limits on union mafias, which clearly do not allow the indivudual to make a contract with the employer. Right? So the employee is partial slave to a union he/she may want nothing to do with. That is WRONG.
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  1139.  @kronop8884  A worker is not forced to labor for any given industry yet it is forced to work for a union if wanting to work at all. No one can defend that result, a fundamental human right is being systematically violated. Shameful. Not just a Swedish problem, tho seems extreme there, it's Western problem.
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  1140. Lol. It's retarded when you think about it. Wait in line, pay a service dude and buy TWO batts while using only one, hope they have the right swap in the warehouse next-door. Versus plugging in for about the same time w/o paying a technician and for extra batt on the shelf.
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  1141. Roof glass yes. I wouldn't have been an early Tesla owner and sure wouldn't risk a Lucid now, basically junk with software issues alone.
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  1142.  @senoow4215  What's the diff? ;-) Yeah I know the two aren't exactly synonymous, bit sarcastic. PC = dishonest.
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  1143. Good move at relatively affordable cost. Would be bad in a wreck but safety is also a luxury 'item' and urban India seems to move quite slowly?
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  1144.  @ephorntube  OIC...yeah I made a modest fortune on it but would have doubled that had I not been burdened with common investment dogma such as diversification. A tangent: the used BMW M3 I purchased in 2018 cost me 'half a million', not saying I regret it per se, just an opportunity cost example. I would have put an additional $40k into TSLA mid 2019 otherwise, that's hindsight and I love the car and one must live in the present too.
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  1145.  @ephorntube  Don't compare it to the LOTTERY! I suffered months of "diversification separation anxiety"...I say with humor but it's true.
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  1146.  @ephorntube  BTW--in case you haven't tuned into him--Peter Lynch is not only the most entertaining financial pundit ever on video but he'll definitely help one overcome the diversification dogma. HIGHLY recommended.
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  1147. Tesla still dominates even the ultra completive Chinese market and now they are offering FSD there which is the best of it's kind in China. That will drive even more demand.
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  1148. Another failure buys them to fail together?
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  1149.  @johnfrancis4401  Most will simply have to go under or they're going to wind up with the most ridiculously inefficient sector imaginable. They don't bail out every little failing coffee shop, what the hell are you thinking?
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  1150. As long as accident risk is exceptionally low. Imagine if it get's hit by a common car at 25 mph or more, going to be GRIM.
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  1151.  @chupscola9198  Interesting how old Corps almost universally become slow, bureaucratic and so risk adverse they guarantee their own demise.
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  1152. And here the are! Production will take yrs to ramp up including raw materials and E-grid, but the end of the ICE age is more clear than ever. No shift this massive can happen overnight. Took 13 yrs for NYC to go from 1% automobile, 99% horses to the reverse, 99% self propelled. (significant steam and electric options in the mix for a while)
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  1153. More to life than EVs and Tesla.
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  1154.  @remliqa  Why would I care about anything Marry Barra? I enjoyed this vid much more than most from this channel, unique content matters. I have better sources for most general EV content and I'm always interested in Elon particulars. Yeah CEO character matters as a shareholder and as a human being on Earth.
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  1155.  @remliqa  Terrible character examples? I know of nothing but the opposite.
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  1156.  @remliqa  Ahh...pardon me, those were all momma's boy bullshit. Good luck!
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  1157. Not for every big biz but those with a history of bribing politicians. Hopefully by the time GM and F are going under they will be diminished enough already to be let go.
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  1158. Yes and the path to full renewables is now well underway via nothing but economics and private enterprise. The rubbish Biden Admin (not an endorsement of 'the other side') is doomed regardless but at least they can begin to mitigate the damage they've contributed too.
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  1159. By ME it would look decent if the grill, vents, etc., were functional. Pointless fake cheap plastic adornments a big turn off. But that doesn't matter until proven a decent driving machine.
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  1160.  @thyristo  Apparently great vehicles so far, but yeah the company on shaky ground if they can't continue cash infusions.
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  1161.  @andrasbiro3007  Flabby penniless basement children who can't even ride a bicycle don't count for much.
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  1162. CCP issues to be more precise.
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  1163.  @ciybersal9833  LOL!
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  1164.  @ciybersal9833  Entire Western economic losses were caused by Authoritarian response not the virus itself. USA fatalities were incentivized to be inflated and were so. Meanwhile millions died from 3 yrs of insane CCP lockdowns, folks literally welded in, starved, gone insane, had toddlers taken away to Covid prisons... You don't rise up against the CCP to be disappeared unless things are desperate, and the ppl did rise against the evil CCP. And they were disapeared. Morgues are overflowing, folks being cremated in the streets despite the hell they endured for 3 yrs. Many millions dying. Then don't forget it was the CCP in collusion with WHO, etc., who deliberately exported the virus to the rest of world after leaking it from a lab. (lab shamefully supported by Fauci/US)
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  1165.  @richardgoldsmith7278  There's a list of others than need accountability (not necessarily for Tesla but in general) or destruction starting with MSNBC, CNN, NYT, LAT, WaPo.....add your own.
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  1166. Electricity is also the highest in the nation, everything is F'ed by Dem's 45 yr reign of terror. lol.
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  1167.  @PyroShields  When my TSLA reaches, say 4 or $5M, intend to build new house which will include solar and batts no doubt, especially since it's mostly sunny around here. Even if it's hard to justify based on economics alone, I want as much independence from the grid and corrupt Cali electric policies, as reasonably possible. Water harvesting too. Already grow a ton of fruits, nuts, and so on. Over a dozen avocado trees one of more recent projects. Soil here is incredible.
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  1168. 20M on the table at least 'near' 2030.
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  1169. OVER 12M in 2030 my guess. Don't forget the old obsolete ICE cars needing replacement for many yrs, could drive auto sales to all time highs. Cheap good little EVs will drive high demand.
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  1170. Pretty much all BEV prices have been slashed since Tesla started it.
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  1171.  @bearcubdaycare  Yeah more or less, interesting few yrs ahead. Fascinating to watch the general consensus, laggy as it is, evolve over last decade plus. Big respect for Farley overall, makes me think Ford has a chance to be a small player by 2035. (how to retire that debt tho! OH yeah, me the taxpayer, no worries)
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  1172.  @danharold3087  I think Tesla just accelerated price cuts lk they accelerate everything else, would have happened by now anyway. (to clarify: not if Tesla didn't exist, entire diff discussion, but if they didn't start the 'price war')
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  1173.  @Anomize23  Thumb up for humor. Be careful about the vids until you see maybe 200 different Burning YDs. lol
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  1174.  @hanswitvliet8188  The tier just below $250k income is much bigger and most likely able to afford a 'premium' car.
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  1175. Political CORRUPTION in the USA has no bounds today, completely without consequence while corporate media diverts focus with farcical Leftist propaganda.
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  1176.  @rogergeyer9851  I know it. Still worth calling it for what it is and seems to me to be worst this century then late last century. 2008/9 housing-bank crisis was the SAME DARN THING. Reckless consumers and bankers.
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  1177.  @rogergeyer9851  I drove used up econoboxes for decades, DIYing everything. Now I can afford to drive what I want. (and still DIY most maint and repairs)
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  1178. Leftists have become the enemy of humanity.
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  1179.  @mbak7801  It won't ever be tapped for the most part. We have centuries of coal, gas and oil we won't need or use, all of them are becoming obsolete tho a little will be used for decades to come. My point was about resources in general.
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  1180.  @scaryfakevirus  Nonsense, 10X more ICE fires than BEV fires per vehicle mile in the USA for example. You are manipulated by the pawns of the Establishment that's threatened by disruption and all the children who have emotional reaction to BEV takeover. Anecdote awareness doesn't inform reality. Most recent car caring ocean freighter fire--ICE car fire. The car park fire here, same situation plus hybrids which are far worse than BEVs.
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  1181. BYD maybe but unproven.
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  1182. Looked like green CT driver was chasing, not deliberately ramming them, but they slammed into a tree and he wasn't skillful enough to avoid crashing into them, he was too close behind, target fixated.
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  1183. That said, y'all driving on left which is not right but WRONG side of road should do something about that. :D)
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  1184.  @point-blank3369  The crucial parts, batt packs and power train are Chinese, software to I imagine. Toy isn't remotely going to take on Tesla, only the Chinese are in that position. Toy is like GM, drowning in debt, a decade late and a grand short. And your quality reference is out of date. Tesla is producing in China it's not simply buying the power train from other mfgs. See the difference?
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  1185.  @rogerstarkey5390  Yeah they'll have to advance those plans repeatedly as they slide into oblivion later this decade.
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  1186.  @rogerstarkey5390  The fact that they are even doing HFC shows how badly they have been managed of late.
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  1187.  @point-blank3369  Laughable that folks take all those 10's of billions "assigned" seriously other than alarming extra DEBT when they are already drowning in it. At the very best they'll get 1/4 as much per dollar as Tesla does, no one has comparable capital efficiency and outside China, only Tesla has secured raw material contracts yrs ago and batt production starting 8 yrs ago. And then there's this thing called talent---Again outside China, Tesla and SpaceX are where the best and brightest engineers, coders, etc., want to work not much left for the rest.
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  1188.  @point-blank3369  How is Toy going to pay back what must be heading to $300B in debt? Bankruptcy court I guess like many others. GM almost certainly F**ked. GOOD Riddance to them and the UAW mafia.
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  1189.  @point-blank3369  WTF? Tesla has paid off it's debt, $200M is effectively ZERO and they are making the highest profit margins ever seen in the industry beyond boutique brands like Porsche or Ferrari. This is why all the others have been touting their EV plans, no doubt an EV is simply more valuable but that doesn't guarantee a profitable product or even the ability to mass produce it. No insult but you simply have no clue about Tesla. $18B profit last quarter and profits growing even faster than production as economies of scale kick in. All this while doubling on the way to quadrupling production. Shanghai and China in general may well become disasters if they don't abandon their insane 'zero Covid' policy. Macro events aside Tesla is going to continue to surprise everyone outside the Tesla bubble.
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  1190.  @point-blank3369  Tesla is a currently a money printing machine. Yup...things changed fast, couple yrs out of date and one has no idea what they are talking about. Likely we have a recession or worse coming soon, will effect everyone including Tesla but they are best positioned to thrive during it just as they did in 2020 when all legacy mfgs were in the toilet. Tesla: $20B cash vis $0.2B in debt. Now compare that to F and GM at some 100 to 150B debt, Toy 240B ish debt and climbing.
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  1191.  @point-blank3369  They are waking up a decade late and too slowly.
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  1192.  @point-blank3369  Tesla's debt is ZERO. Good Grief, it was in the Q1 report and last conference call just as it always is.
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  1193. Munro on further consideration realized that 'one casting' is NOT, not in that mockup anyway. It's 5 pcs "welded" together. (I'm guessing printed parts glued or whatever)
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  1194.  @adorolivar1340  Many Chinese BEVs are front drive, a total deal breaker for me. (on the subject of driving dynamics and satisfaction, absolutely loath FD for anything but a doggy low powered econobox or minivan)
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  1195.  @qilu2004  Which Teslas and from where? Your mostly talking about Fremont and old versions, no gaps or problems out of Shanghai or Berlin. BYDs are front drive, no? I'll take bare primer and gaps everywhere before I suffer FD, complete crap that. Testing on other BYDs I've seen show horrific hard acceleration behavior.
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  1196.  @qilu2004  And YES my old BMWs do suffer from excess mass too, just not near as much. I might forego powered seats and a number of other frivolities given the choice.
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  1197.  @qilu2004  Sure, most would agree. My point was there are inherent penalties for mass, that's all. And not just efficiency. SO--given two "similar" competing cars, couple hundred kilos difference MATTERS considerably.
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  1198.  @qilu2004  The original point was response to those with the childish assumption that more weight indicates better quality. It does NOT. Zero fundamental advantage to extra mass other than mentioned above, which is only at the expense of everyone else. It's possible that it's the result of extra features or qualities, but equally or more likely, inferior engineering and materials. Features and qualities stand on their merits, they aren't measured by the kilo...except in the inverse, more kilos is worse. Either way it's fundamentally worse for the weight alone, especially given similar batt packs, BYD has some 40 miles less range. That matters.
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  1199.  @qilu2004  GOOG GRIEF. Are you obstinate or just STUPID. Everything else equal, light is better than heavy GET IT??? Good Night.
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  1200.  @qilu2004  If you purchase a vehicle by $ per pound, you are are as dumb as the cheap concrete it's made of.
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  1201. Hopeful but academics not always well attatched to economic realities, an ore body doesn't make a viable mine.
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  1202.  @Gunshow86  High prices are the cure for high prices, massive investments/production increases will follow.
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  1203. GOOD Grief! Hospital bred bacteria is scary, likely to be antibiotic resistant. Sounds like you'd been safer NOT going to hospital by a wide margin.
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  1204.  @entropy5431  Yeah they arguably were not of negative value a century ago, not so much for your reasons but for safety. Today a valuable worker can 'write their own ticket', get true market value. Minimum wage primarily eliminates entry level jobs, NO "worker" can receive more than they are worth to society, to their employer, regardless--when that threshold is breached another job simply disappears. We could do a ton of good for the world to roll back childhood work laws a little, be more Amish where they enjoy learning work ethics at a young age, it's crucial to childhood development. Similar for family farms, ranches and some other small businesses. Those kids always grow up more responsible, respectful and capable.
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  1205. My beloved Commifornia still has a lot going for it despite the dominant Leftist religion doing all they can to destroy everything productive.
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  1206. With Trudeau, Canada can look forward to becoming China, he openly admires and emulates such tyranny.
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  1207. Best service is NO SERVICE. :D
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  1208.  @13thbiosphere  Ignoring him would have been fine, they actively persecuted him and did real damage to both Tesla, shareholders and Elon in the case of Delaware activist posing as a judge, overturning the will of us shareholders and rescinding his pay pkg. Lawfare was rampant under our most corrupt ever JB regime.
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  1209. Not following the money, but LEADING the money ;-)
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  1210.  @davidc2838  Happens everywhere, get your head out of your ass.
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  1211.  @davidc2838  Happens everywhere, get your head out of your rectum as much as you enjoy your own farts. ;-)
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  1212.  @davidc2838  Happens everywhere Child.
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  1213. Utterly insane folks would protest a price drop just because they paid 5% more last month. Wait three yrs and you may get further 10 or 15% discount. Worth the wait??
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  1214. Funny--seems like yesterday but a couple yrs ago some were complaining that they bought a model 3 and two months later it was $2.5k LESS than they paid as Tesla was decreasing prices repeatedly.
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  1215. Great points here.
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  1216. I'm going to hand down my Plaid to my grandchild.
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  1217.  @oldbloke204  Darwinian selector.
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  1218.  @oldbloke204  You are missing everything.
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  1219. For those unaware--a solid rectilinear brick has a drag coefficient of 1 by definition. You get better efficiency by going slower and NOT changing speeds, not needing regen.
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  1220. Everyone but China. This is a common theme across many industries and materials, rare Earth elements in particular.
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  1221. Ocean rising rate not very significantly changed in a century.
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  1222. Enjoy Elon's unpolished seat of pants style, melodramatic and geeky, but always authentic. 1st few minutes of this vid are a compilation of the same OLD tired rhetoric, no wonder some folks hate themselves, I would too having to repeat rubbish endlessly.
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  1223. I bought later but for similar price to Ron Barron, took me near a decade to gain sufficient conviction to go ALL IN.
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  1224.  @dinojohn1  YOU shut up. Who the HELL do you think you are.
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  1225.  @dinojohn1  Who the hell are you to tell him or anyone what to do or say? F'n tyrant.
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  1226. RIP Toy BZ4X buyers, u were lazy and bought a brand instead of doing due diligence.
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  1227.  @davidbrayshaw3529  Yeah I was only referring to form factor, aesthetics, which is all the OP has any concept of. I want one after learning how much better it is than original specs, range and price the only exceptions both of which will improve significantly by the time it's in my 2 plus yr of production 'mandate'. (never buy early versions of any new model from any MFG)
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  1228.  @Harrythehun  Buy a '94 Civic then, be smart and eventually prosperous or dumb and forever struggling.
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  1229.  @Harrythehun  There are smart purchases and dumb ones. Yes it could be 1% dumb or 100% dumb.
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  1230.  @jprt3270  Apartment complexes will install chargers for their own good, street chargers will be available and so on, not a major hurdle.
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  1231. Yeah and it's none of our business, likely he has reason to believe he can make the money in a reasonable time frame.
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  1232.  @rogergeyer9851  We will never see a $40k CT, part of that is inflation but I've never quite believed it anyway. That's sort of OK, I mean not for their reputation but for what the market will bare.
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  1233. Worst still are Neo-Marxist indoctrinated, without any productive purpose in life.
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  1234. Trivial.... but I was always tad disappointed he hit the Ford door noticeably more forcefully than the CT with the plastic sledge hammer. It was the last part of swing that was different, as one who has swung sledges it's unavoidable to see.
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  1235. Never been one to spend to stand out with superficial decorations--I'd leave it bare SS for utility, economy and to emphasize the harsh toughness. Good kind of "bland" that bare SS. Buy another share or two of TSLA and don't wrap it. :D
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  1236. UAW owns Biden and Dems even more than Ukraine does.
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  1237. Cocaine😄 PLEASE.
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  1238. Lucid pays protection (adverts) to the media mafia, Tesla doesn't. That simple.
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  1239. Wrong. Laws of nature are ruthlessly rigid.
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  1240. In a few yrs common Li batts will have similar charging speeds anyway.
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  1241. This is Britain apparently, certainly NOT US.
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  1242. A fool and their money....
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  1243. Not 'shots fired' just an important opinion.
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  1244. Fukashima plants were not destroyed by hydrogen blasts, those were a trivial side effect.
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  1245.  @frankinga3120  NOPE, didn't bother, what he said in the opening and what I responded to.
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  1246. So this guy murdered ppl and just get's fined?
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  1247.  @robertfonovic3551  Sounds lk situation normal for China. Public media apologies a big thing there, humiliating, they aren't accustomed to apologizing for anything.
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  1248. I'm hoping they just fade away. As they diminish in size and significance over time the impetus to save them will likewise become minimal.
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  1249. Doesn't matter, no one wants them.
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  1250.  @GolLeeMe  It's basically archaic crap to be honest, stands out as very poor value, poor quality, low range, fail in every category.
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  1251.  @GolLeeMe  Partially just trolling you, but all platitudes aside, what specifications does it excel at? Range, performance, software, OTA updates, price, pleasing to use, driver dynamics, storage cap....? Results matter, not so much their claimed design approach which every mfg touts and advertises as SO special.
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  1252.  @GolLeeMe  The Jag name should mean nothing in terms of any legacy reputation, don't think there is much carry over. HOWEVER--it has a solid old rep of being no touch, breaking down constantly and very expensively. (traditional ICE versions)
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  1253. Limited overlap with EVs it turns out, seats, interiors, paint, suspensions but NOT software, electronics, power trains. Notice that legacies are not efficiently switching to BEVs.
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  1254. 7X more efficient?? SOoooo gone from 20% to 140%....amazing when 100% is the categorical limit and much less the real limit.
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  1255.  @Bruh-jr2ep  HISTORY key concept, a century ago they played, arguably a good roll. So much for the past, today they are nothing but counterproductive. Labor laws long ago made them redundant and obsolete. I've contracted for "a thousand" outfits over the decades and can typically smell union when first stepping foot on new-to-me premise, they destroy the work environment and culture and attract/retain deadwood. The infuriating pathetic stories I could tell, loath them. No decent worker needs any help they are in high demand, if one biz doesn't take good enough care of them they will be poached by someone who will. Or just start your own darn business.
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  1256. Elon can't respond to every crackpot pol on Earth, I'd prefer he didn't even mesh much with current pathetic US Admin, it's like collaborating with the mafia.
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  1257. 50% is entirely possible, 100,000% is NOT. lol (prior vid)
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  1258.  @girowinters  FAR better there be zero collaboration between Elon/Tesla and this mafia UAW owned Administration.
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  1259. Nope...moved to Austin because Tesla employees choose it and it has significant tech culture already. Could have acquired tax breaks anywhere.
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  1260. Firewall looks to be symmetrical in regards to steering hardware.
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  1261. Establishment media is obsolete, they are simply mouthpieces for political (mostly Leftist) agendas, and clickbait BS.
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  1262. Outside the Americas, Ausi would seem to be the next natural habitat for CT. Euro and Asia probably the last simply for size.
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  1263. Indeed Establishment Media Mafia is corrosive as hell, I've been boycotting them for yrs and don't miss anything.
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  1264.  @fullrulle77  Just tapping the stock pumping inherent in current AI fad since they completely failed at BEVs and don't have a plan, can't give away their cars in China anymore, biggest market on Earth. A flailing failing company pretending to have a future.
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  1265.  RealCashTok  BAhaha.... good one.
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  1266. This is common diplomacy, we do it everyone does it, may be silly and weak but it's ordinary.
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  1267. Quite a while ago they only offer higher end models foreseeably, it's assumed that there will be no $40k version which seems highly likely to ME. Always had a hard time with that number, of course inflation alone will add at least $10k by the time it would be offered.
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  1268.  @davidbeppler3032  I don't think there will ever be a $40k version.
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  1269. Blowing the lid off Twitter crime scene revealing the depth of the Leftist Establishment Machine corruption, the insidious forces against Elon are unprecedented in our time. Ask anyone why they don't like Elon and they can't tell you, their emotions have been manipulated, they are TOOLS of the evil Establishment, nothing more or less.
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  1270. Interesting. What's the range when sky overcast?
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  1271. GREAT POINT about US EV orders vs annual sales of all cars. Embrace those willing to pay for sentimental antiques! Who doesn't appreciate a 1927 Dodge Brothers sedan? History kept alive by a thin string of museum pieces that ONLY EXIST cuz someone wanted to remember the past.
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  1272.  @JohnSmith-ux3tt  Duh. (see what I did there?) ;-)
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  1273.  @juanmedinar20  How do U know that?
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  1274.  @singed8853  FSD is driving with zero "driver" (monitor) inputs all day long all over the USA. It IS living up to the name. "God's Eye" makes bold claims but I have little info on it.
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  1275. Tesla is doing fantastic, E. Warren is an opportunistic phony POS, worst example of American representation. SHAMEFUL.
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  1276. DOE has been consistently wrong with it's forecasts.
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  1277. Entirely different situation, Munro are there for historic reasons that are now changing. I'd want nothing to do with the nasty pervasive union mentality there.
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  1278. Either way it's funny for those of us sick of the BS from Marry Bara and collusion with most corrupt presidency in history.
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  1279. GM is a farce, they aren't planning to surviving the decade, no one there cares.
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  1280. Every week.
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  1281. Gut biota is tied to everything including the brain.
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  1282. You don't get it Sir. Current regime is corrupt to the core and actively persecuted many including Elon, Tesla and us shareholders. Another 4 yrs of same tyrannical trajectory might take us beyond the point of no return. Bannon is the radical fringe and some disagreements are OK and expected. You may not see it or agree but Elon's primary goal is to save America. Wikipedia is also controlled by Leftist ideology, NOT reliable.
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  1283. Leftist dominated America you meant to say.
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  1284. Elon must be VERY careful w Chinese "celebrity status", he has been remote for good reason. CCP will not tolerate perceived competition with the CCP. (Jack Ma and many others be your guide)
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  1285.  @MrWhyte-tm9mk  Exaggerating for fun, the Lightening is quite good except for range and probably software, a real work truck which the CT may not be, IDK yet. The big 'zero lift over' frunk on Ford is a major asset for contractors. Tesla is the only Western (non-Asian) Co. that has demonstrated mass production other than VW arguably. And the only prepared for massive future growth.
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  1286.  @calmorton4619  I think Rivian has a good chance but their spending discipline seems highly compromised by having too much capital from the get go. F looks to be fixing for a good fight for survival but I agree with the rest. Very healthy creative destruction, good riddance to the UAW mafia.
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  1287. Mr. Eat the Rich who got rich on the backs of labor while contributing no value, quintessential union leech. It's written on his face, I know the type. Unions cause nothing but trouble, senseless conflict against the same ship all are riding on, corrosive to both 'labor' and management.
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  1288. Karma for Biden's attack on Nordstream.
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  1289. Much of the propaganda is driven by Tesla's failure to pay Establishment Media Mafia protection racket.
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  1290. WA Post is...uhhhmmm...unreliable.
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  1291. Common Li batts will have similar fast charging speed in a few yrs, seriously doubt QS will have anything on the market by then.
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  1292. US government says so it MUST BE TRUE! Here in Commifornia they signed up for H2 fuel too, booming success.
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  1293.  @arlenbell4376  Healthy creative destruction, old guard always get lazy and sloppy eventually and best be replaced by energetic new blood.
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  1294.  @grantguy8933  I don't' have time for trivia. Rather do my gardening. lol
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  1295.  @MDC_1985  Plenty of reasons to want to die if you live in Shanghai. !SIGH!
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  1296.  @garymillerjr4452  H2 SOLD to You! (I ain't buying it, options are good but fantasies not so much)
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  1297. Lets all short him, UNSUBSCRIBE then when he's about to cross the line...re-sub and blow him across the line!
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  1298. Virtue signally morons like the evil Establishment TOOL wanting to sell his Tesla bc he's so duped by propaganda is pathetic.
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  1299. Autonomy is worth 10X what Tesla would be worth at 20M vehicle production rate, humanoid bot is worth 10X that, in rough orders of magnitude. So 10 yrs from now 100X is possible.
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  1300. Coal has been dying rapidly in the USA due to fracking tech and resulting cheap NatGas, for over a decade. Gas is far better and a bridge to sustainability.
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  1301. Like Jim Farley but I'll believe it when I see it.
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  1302. We currently have political prisoners held without charges over the Jan 6 farce, thanks to the patriot act they only need to label you a terrorist and all your constitutional rights are gone.
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  1303. I don't think so. They'll build on the best batts they have supply of and most customers won't care much. Cars have always been slightly more compelling 'next yr' than current model yet ppl still buy them.
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  1304. The difference between BP analogy is that Tesla also sells cars and have only good N. America charging infrastructure, thereby they are helping the competition sell cars.
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  1305.  @icosthop9998  How so?
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  1306.  @icosthop9998  How so??
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  1307. Looks lush for a desert.
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  1308. Been toying with the idea of converting service truck like that--primarily bc the custom part is highly specialized and extremely expensive and I could replace two old engines , etc.
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  1309.  @neilkurzman4907  Condemning ALL forms of racism is provocative? You must be so mired in corrosive Leftism you can't see straight, granted the Left is the party of open bigotry, has been for many yrs. It's the very definition of identity politics, ESG and other corrosive communist crap.
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  1310.  @michaelriecher5632  Clueless. Notice how real Jews have no problem with him?? Including the leadership of Israel whom he has great relations with? Propaganda works, "Elon BAaaaD"....yeah go with that, be an evil Establishment TOOL.
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  1311. HOPE they hang in there but can't see how. Buy their car without expecting long term support from company.
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  1312. The biggest benefit of American legacies dying is taking the UAW mafia down with them.
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  1313. Have U used it? No one ever paid more than half that anyway.
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  1314.  @peterklausner9727  Yeah hear that all the time until some actually tries it and realizes how much stress and energy it alleviates in their lives. Multi-hour trip where others show up fatigued, FSD drivers show up fresh. Depends on how much U drive but $100/mo is a bargain for many and unless you are 10X better than average, it's already far better than U as supervised. Suit yourself, no one is forcing you to abandon your flip phone and horse or Model T.
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  1315.  @peterklausner9727  Then that '94 Civic should be good to go indefinitely. Most ppl don't spend 3 hrs in a traffic jam to enjoy the benefits of that sort of stress. Going on a hike or to the gym or challenging their mind or taking on difficult productive tasks is far more rewarding sort of stress. I enjoy driving on deserted mountain roads in my sports car, but not tired at night or anytime in heavy traffic when I just want to get there.
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  1316. Media Mafia has forever punished Tesla for failing to pay their protection racket, aka., adverts.
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  1317. How we deal with MSN propaganda in US? We scoff at it.
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  1318. 'Tesla haters' typically regret missing out and relish the notion that it's all coming unraveled, losers like company. Too bad for them they will continue to miss out by letting their emotions dictate their beliefs and actions. (naturally many don't have 2 nickels to rub together anyway)
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  1319. And any far Leftist city in America today.
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  1320. He can do both, it was a matter of prioritizing autonomous and China was thought (by man of us) to be permanently off limits to FSD due to security concerns, biggest car market in the world.
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  1321.  @jeffg4570  We don't even know what the situation is here, just speculation, can't be about Starlink IMO, they don't sell the receivers nor turn on the system for China. You can't hide the receiving dishes, the CCP has a problem with VPNs not Starlink. SpaceX and Tesla are doing fantastic, this whole Twitter distraction narrative is a fabrication, obviously the Establishment vilifies Elon, they are guilty as hell as the T. Files show, way beyond the wackiest conspiracy theories. So distract, divert and continue using Orwell's 1984 as an instruction manual, it's worked so far.
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  1322. We say "throw the bums out" when things are so badly mismanaged here in the colonies. And proceed to do exactly that. Energy is key to everything, Trump criticized German insanity a decade ago and was laughed at.
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  1323. "Negative ZERO credibility" Hahaha
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  1324. Smart to position themselves for a real job at Tesla when they know Renault is screwed.
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  1325.  @carholic-sz3qv  Just emotionally invested in this dog of a company? Or financially invested too?
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  1326.  @vic321344  I know little about the old French Co., just trolling. Don't they make a pretty decent BEV car?
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  1327.  @vic321344  Good on them, sort of gathered that here. Very short range even for a garbage truck but as long as it gets the job done.
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  1328.  @elenabob4953  What has Renault delivered so far this yr?
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  1329. Enough water?! I thought rising sea levels were going to drown us all in about a week. Zero water is consumed, if it's electrolysis the water is broken down to O and H then recombine to make water again. It's just inefficient and uneconomic. When used in a foolcell it's more efficient but still rubbish, essentially a way expensive poorly performing battery.
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  1330. They have at least a remote chance of surviving the decade in some dramatically reduced form...how are they going to deal with that massive debt that's sure to only grow foreseeably?
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  1331.  @heathwirt8919  It's hardly "gloom and doom" it's healthy creative destruction that has made America prosperous and great. Ford destroyed the horse buggy biz but is now staid, sluggish, forever burdened by the UAW mafia and the lazy culture it demands. GOOD RIDDANCE to Government Motors, legacies in general and the baggage they carry. Do you miss Sears, Kodak or Blackberry? A century is a long time for any companies existence, usually TOO LONG.
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  1332.  @heathwirt8919  "Has 5 vehicles." Yeah everyone has EVs, BIG PLANS and expenditures but they aren't making or selling them. Ford has some $100B in debt and are going to increase it greatly, they can't pay it back. They can't play in a fast moving dynamic space, not their thing since 1920's. Gone and forgotten like Packard, Studebaker, Nash, (my dad could list a dozen)
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  1333.  @lbbnjsharpe  Not to take joke seriously but--started own contracting biz at 20 after few yrs suffering union culture in underground mining industry. Only good thing union ever did for me was motivate me to escape it. :D)
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  1334.  @dnomyarnostaw  Did you look at her 5 yr performance? In such high beta sectors 60% isn't that much. How is so hard for you Noobs to get your heads around investing vs trading, aka. gambling? How much have you made in markets?
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  1335.  @dnomyarnostaw  So you are RICH now? Good job!
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  1336. Not a chance they'll be able to make it for less than say $60k and the software will still be horrible.
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  1337.  @Victic005  And they will, if they can sell them at all, this is what failure looks like. Not that all low production rate mfgs won't always lose money, but does GM have a path to scale of a compelling BEV? I doubt it.
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  1338.  @danharold3087  For the right price the Silverado would sell (obviously). GM had some 60% USA market share into the 1970's, now only about 15% and primed to get hammered down again.
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  1339.  @danharold3087  Based on recent history--GM/Mary Barra don't have a coherent path forward, nothing but managing perceptions. Imagine being so reckless and stupid as to mix it up with the likes of Nikola and Lordstown. And all 'planned' model releases, dozens to be revealed over a yr ago now long forgotten. I'll be writing my representatives when GM goes bankwupt and seeks yet another bailout. The best scenario is they are diminished to the point that they are no longer 'too big to fail'. I wouldn't cheer for that result except they asked for it and failure must be an option for free enterprise to succeed.
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  1340. Not many are that stupid but just as well the tools of authoritarianism suffer consequences and hopefully don't have children.
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  1341. "Idle hands are the devils workshop." Problem here is life is to easy for these pathetic creatures, they have no productive purpose in life and resent the producers who make their sloth and self destructive behavior possible.
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  1342. Corporate/Establishment media is beyond obsolete--we need to quit feeding them with our attention and enjoy their demise.
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  1343.  @horste9237  That's on the driver, Tesla is very explicit about what the term means for TESLAs. You could just as well be deceived by "automobile" or autobahn.
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  1344.  @horste9237  Average driver? You should give up your drivers license like YESETERDAY if your standards are so rubbish. Seriously--STOP DRIVING before innocent lives are lost.
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  1345.  @TheEvilmooseofdoom  Seemed lk superiority signaling to me.
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  1346. They have not earned much on charging.
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  1347.  @Hyper_SSR  From '80's to 2000's maybe? Certainly eared that reputation for decades relative to German and American brands if they've somewhat lost it by now.
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  1348. Blowing the lid off old Twitter is about saving AMERICA from becoming a permanent banana republic (as we are today) brought to us by collusion between evil DC establishment, FBI, DHS and the rest, and big media. Censoring the most important stories and ppl, manipulating elections and cancelling anyone slightly challenging The ONE True Narrative.
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  1349. It's very healthy for them to just go extinct. Once rural America relied on Sears and a few other brands long forgotten and NOT MISSED. F and GM will also take the misreble mafia unions down with them.
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  1350. As the CCP becomes increasingly draconian the economy falters, international MFGs and prosperous and freedom loving ppl flee, things generally go to hell. I've long seen Tesla China as temporary, a must be in market in early days of BEV revolution but not likely long term. China today is far worse than a decade ago and it wasn't great then. We'll never see Elon dancing on stage in China again short of a political revolution there, celebrities are systemically crushed.
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  1351. Why would you trust that batt pack when the entire company is and always has been a scam?
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  1352. For BEV 'upstarts' too, vast majority cannot exist by end of decade.
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  1353. That will be a thing but it can't be required even for 10M/yr. Toy and VW have done that.
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  1354. A hard hit? Lite slap, CT barely wavered.
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  1355. Everyone knows that, there was legislation to that effect about a decade or so ago, they were coerced into it with all due noise, then Obama quietly gutted it.
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  1356. Ford's Farley said it's more like 150 different interfaces for them, they are screwed.
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  1357.  @wertigon  How can they possibly efficiently integrate hundreds of disparate proprietary software components? Tesla is the low cost leader and by far most vertically integrated, aka., making critical unique components in house.
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  1358.  @wertigon  Are they? OK. We'll see, seems like an inherently inferior foundation to work from.
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  1359.  @wertigon  Cool, thanks. I've long expected something like that but it's well outside my wheelhouse so I can be misguided fairly easily on this.
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  1360. The HELL it is. Aztek a plastic POS.
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  1361.  @fergyspoolshots  I agree mandates are retarded and counterproductive. But most Americans live hand to mouth and cars are one of the biggest expenses. When they realize they can cut that cost by, say 4X? Yeah they'll switch pretty fast.
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  1362. HA! Not that long off, few yrs.
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  1363.  @ulyden1947  So much for one metric. It's an exceptional car for the price.
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  1364.  @ulyden1947  More brand options the better. Plenty of good products out there. Some are even great. I'm still happy w my old BMWs for now, lol.
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  1365. Better than nothing maybe?
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  1366.  @qilu2004  22% which is probably less than inflation. What's your point?
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  1367.  @robertfonovic3551  For vast majority (it seems) it's a luxury item. If you can't pay for it twice in cash you shouldn't consider it. The Y, 3 and next gen platform are for economy.
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  1368.  @Emm2004  Any employee knew what sort of sleaze balls were running the outfit or it was their own recklessness. No doubt they didn't attract the best ppl in any category. If I'd been an engineer there I wouldn't want Nikola on my resume, better to leave that timeframe blank.
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  1369. We don't need subsidies for EVs in the USA, let the market take it from here, subsidies will do more harm than good.
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  1370. Front drive something of a deal breaker for me.
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  1371. Watched 1st Fast and Furious, worst movie in recorded history.
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  1372. Right--and Government Motors is in same situation as Tesla in that regard.
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  1373. Unless ANTIFA, BLM, any Leftist terrorist group is good to go.
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  1374. Is evil Google blocking me here?? (((thank Elon for X)))
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  1375. What if used as NatGas is today, for heating and cooking, peaker plants, don't remove the methane just burn both together. If it's 10% methane 88% H2, would eco-warriors claim victory? They should. (realizing some complications, steel pipe hydrogen embrittlement?? Leakage, diff combustion characteristics....) Process as described should very gradually increase atmospheric O2, assuming oxygen makes it to surface, H2 will find a way out and then mostly leave Earth entirely, leaving less water and more O2. By us burning it there's no net change in water or O2, just a cycle.
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  1376. I haven't visited Torque News since he took the Elon quitting to become a full time influencer literally.
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  1377. And most won't ever be commercialized others will take many yrs.
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  1378.  @tedmoss  Depends on circumstances. For one you don't own it, that makes a big difference.
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  1379.  @888YangJi  More models is what VW and other failing legacies do, it's part of the reason BYD is unprofitable on BEVs. The Model Y has been the best selling car of any kind for 2 yrs running, globally. Tesla has the highest profit margins of any mass produced cars while BYD barely makes a profit on BEVs. BYD very impressive and they make money on phones, etc, not BEVs. They will, like everyone else, have to license autonomous hardware and software from Tesla which will make 90% plus profits on it. There is very little overlap between BYD and Tesla, they are more partners than competitors. Tesla doesn't play in the tiny cheap death trap car space yet. No one will want to buy a car that can't drive itself in a few yrs and ONLY Tesla has the general solution which is incredibly difficult to duplicate. Others will eventually get there but it's winner takes most. Car profits will be multiples higher by end of decade for Tesla but only a rounding error compared to robotics and the rest.
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  1380.  @celanian8188  BYD's BEV margins are near zero while Tesla maintains highest margins in industry. If ifs and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry xmas. BYD does not have good access to N. America but they are subsidized by the CCP.
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  1381. I'd steer well clear of anything DiCaprio or most any Hollywood virtue signaling fools invest in.
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  1382. Sort of predictable, software is a big game for big or exceptional players.
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  1383. Noisy children on YT.
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  1384.  @incognitotorpedo42  You are correct, it's evil twin crony capitalism.
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  1385. Of course it's sold out--they had a 2022 target of TWO. :D
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  1386. ​ @FlorestanTrement  He said they will take to court even if they are likely to lose, IF they are right. That doesn't mean he has to personally spend more than 5 min per week on it. Surely you notice how he can delegate, he need not use his own hands to install wiring harness to a car on assembly line, nor be in court. He's assembling a crack offensive legal team and they should strike fear into all big media recklessly stating rumors, claims, hearsay and speculation as FACTS with previous impunity. I have engineering background, not litigation expert, but my understanding is slander CAN BE seriously addressed by courts with considerable consequences.
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  1387.  @FlorestanTrement  Absolutely NO good reason Elon would be required to present himself in court in most of these situations. I agree it's a massive waste of his precious time and so does he, he'll pay aggressive exceptionally talented expert "street fighter" lawyers for that. Let them do their thing with high rewards for success. Look forward to some publications to be thrashed and bankrupted, but that's just my wishful thinking. No fan of litigation but it's an essential element of a functioning society and accountability.
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  1388.  @FlorestanTrement  For the most part the US justice system works well and isn't corrupted like every other government agency seems to be to one degree or another. As for slander I'm less confident as it seems rarely tested, media establishment gets away with murder continuously. Primary recourse is to just boycott them which has been happening as ppl realize they are purveyors of BS.
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  1389.  @FlorestanTrement  Around 2014 there was a NYT (New York Crimes) fabricated story on the Model S running out of charge prematurely. Tesla had the data and called them out on it getting a retraction, maybe one or two others like that, not very satisfying. I want to see existential monetary damages inflicted on fake news outlets. Tesla aside--CNN, MSNBC are pure propaganda machines and should be obliterated for their continuous crimes.
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  1390.  @FlorestanTrement  That was a another one but I thought a mistake for Tesla to sue as it's a comedy show as court determined. NYT is supposed to be real news and Tesla properly pursued that getting a retraction I believe, better than nothing but unsatisfying, and maybe someone canned from NYT.
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  1391. Legacies couldn't even copy the CT in 20 yrs, literally. They take 4 to 5 yrs typically for a "new model" with mostly superficial changes.
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  1392. The Market will sort this out, no reason for concern nor government medling.
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  1393. Solar roof from a roofer's perspective: https://youtu.be/85A1nQ0jwL4
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  1394.  @gregvoevodsky4323  Not interest in auto stocks, gained a modest fortune in Tesla with confidence for a lot more in coming yrs. (if that sounded contradictory--TSLA is a tech stock that happens to make robots on wheels sometimes called cars, by far the most substantial, advanced embodied AI co. on Earth) Meanwhile I still love my 2011 BMW M3, 3-pedal V8, still worth as much as I paid for it 6 yrs ago but NOT an investment, a liability.
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  1395.  @waynefergusson9987  Aren't you in a box? I rethink machine design projects everyday. Some things are inherently WRONG--3 wheels vs 4 for example, 3 is fundamentally flawed. Same for mounting motors in wheels to lessor degree, it's possible to have a decent 4 wheel car with motors misplaced inside the wheels (not possible for a 3 wheeler to handle well at the limits, be capable swerving max, etc), still inferior.
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  1396.  @waynefergusson9987  The water in tires is visualization aid, if you have any intuition (may not) of dynamics you'd realize such mass hitting a pothole say, would crash the wheel into edge then slam wheel into suspension with nearly equal brutality. NOT a good thing. NOT new, minimizing unsuspended mass has been a goal of any well designed car or truck since they've been properly engineered.
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  1397.  @waynefergusson9987  "Engineers spend tons of time optimizing things that shouldn't exist." What's the advantage of motors in the worse possible location, in the wheels? (on the roof might be worse still but you get the idea)
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  1398.  @waynefergusson9987  For the final F'n time: Unsuspended mass must be minimized. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Motors are the highest density element of the entire vehicle, heavier still if they are to withstand the abuse of a bad road inside a wheel. Would you put batteries in the wheels too? Why not? Do you even understand why overall mass of a vehicle is crucial?? More is worse in everyway with the exception of the piggish arms race of seeking to kill the other guy in a multi-vehicle collision, doesn't even do any good colliding with a fixed object, large tree, concrete wall or going over a cliff. There is NO getting around these things. Extra wheel mass also requires more suspension, still more unsuspended mass and more overall mass. A wheel must be accelerated in two modes, both linear like the rest of vehicle and rotational, therefore requires more energy to accelerate a vehicle of equal total mass. Rotating mass extra energy requirements is not trivial, depending on distribution, rotating mass of a car may take around 1.5X more energy to accelerate. VERY BAD result. All those severe penalties to avoid some U-joints or CVs? DUMB AS HELL.
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  1399.  @waynefergusson9987  Specifically what IS needed and how do you propose to get there? Anyone can fantasize but engineering is absolutely beholden to math and physics. Sketch out a path toward proposed attributes within known laws of physics.
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  1400.  @waynefergusson9987  It's OK if you can't defend your beliefs in this instance, we all need to strive to be less wrong. I was only asking u to justify for yourself why u cling to this notion. No need to prove to or persuade you...but just for the thought exercise and fun. :D Bike ain't good proxy for an automobile, host of reasons hub motors can be good for a bicycle, "2 dimensional", you can't go far out off center plane and motor is relatively miniscule. We'll see about a, say 500 hp battery street bike, I say NO hub motor there either, but a light pedal bike--hub motors make ton of sense. Rode high performance street bikes hard daily for many yrs, excellent suspension is NOT OPTIONAL when you are dancing around on bad asphalt with 'unlimited' performance, braking to the point of transient lockups, leaning hard while torqueing wheels...etc. Tires must follow the surface and adjust nearly instantaneously, mass resists that. Same for a car at the limits or emergency situation.
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  1401.  @waynefergusson9987  So you got nothing to say, OK. Good luck.
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  1402.  @waynefergusson9987  I'm not sure YOU know what you mean by limitations in this context. I'll assume you don't mean absolute limits as that requires new physics which hasn't happened in any fundamental fashion in a century. (Quantum Mechanics allowed for many advancements such as the transistor, Relativity--GPS, etc.) Again, back to where we were; precisely what technological limitations are you looking to overcome? Another essence of engineering is specifying exactly what we are trying to achieve, why and how it may be possible.
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  1403. Big respect @ these prices but it has to have major compromises: safety, noise intrusion, brakes, handling, ride, seats, interior quality....very displeasing in person I'm sure...still a BIG place for it, not everyone can afford to consider pleasantries, performance and safety, around the farm and village? could be ideal.
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  1404.  @TheFrmx  Not new news but maybe part of reason BRK is selling, just guessing.
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  1405.  @manimalworks7424  Speak for yourself, I don't have luxury to believe what I want to believe, never did never will.
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  1406.  @manimalworks7424  Did you bother to watch this vid? I've seen many other vids of fields of apparently 'registered' BYDs clearly going to no over the last yr. Fair guess that those lots of cars are not suitable for the road for some significant reason, perhaps they have no batteries or very limited batt pack as they are one of the limiting factors industry wide. This sort of thing happens all the time in China and command economies in general. They incentivize fraudulent excess production of XYZ, the insane piles of bicycles perhaps the most obvious example. You seem to have an emotional rejection of reality. Are you invested in BYD? Emotions have NO BIZ in investing as you may soon learn.
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  1407. The unprecedented protests terminated insane lockdown policy in China. No telling how many were disappeared or otherwise heavily punished but many had nothing left to lose even calling for the end of the CCP, you don't even criticize the CCP let alone advocate it's ending.
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  1408. Yeah anyone saying that sort of thing starts at a massive deficit in my mind.
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  1409. Excellent topic. (just to post sumptin)
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  1410. Probably should ban all ICE vehicles first since they burn far more often.
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  1411. Yes Tesla is the best hope for any significant future German auto industry, they also should embrace BYD and others moving in.
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  1412. Discomforting to see Elon in presence of Biden or Xi. But gotta do what ya gotta do. Elon can't improve the CCP but his mission is even bigger.
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  1413. Even easier to steal technology when Western Co. operating inside China.
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  1414. Establishment Media Mafia is beholden to advertising $. Only Tesla doesn't pay the protection racket. Just as well to promote the self deception of legacies while they wither away.
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  1415. Sure just like he decided all phones must have buttons. Xi is evil but not that dumb.
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  1416. Going solar with new house build in a few yrs. (Commifornia)
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  1417. Leftist insanity coming home to roost, you get what you incentivize.
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  1418. Think I saw a Caddy EV today in farther N. Commifornia...looked OK like something geezers would prefer as per usual for Cadillac.
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  1419. Not entirely, stupid mandates predictably drive this sort of crap.
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  1420. $70k USD? You Ausies need a revolution, must have punitive tariffs and to protect what? Tiny trunk and no frunk??
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  1421. I wouldn't make any such predictions, any number of "catalysts" that should have been bigger than that with no short term stock results. Investor Day the latest example which was vastly more compelling then CT production, or the semi....pick your example. But it doesn't matter for real investors, whatever gains don't happen sooner WILL happen later, to the extent they should happen at all.
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  1422.  @dzerres  Yeah I know some who fret over their Model X due to unwanted attention in parking lots, imagine the pain in the ass of having stalkers for your CT, NO THANKS...sort of doubt that tho. Many will just laugh at it. Anyway there's no reason that will effect stock price action. Gawkers aren't going to race home and buy TSLA, lol.
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  1423.  @GWAForUTBE  Anyone making short term hard predictions is automatically dismissed.
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  1424.  @Andriastravels  And how much have YOU made in TSLA over the yrs?
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  1425.  @Andriastravels  "You don't like it" and it's down from all time highs....that's what I call rigorous. If you were so smart on the name you'd have banked a fortune in it by now like millions of us have. It's never easy but you have to understand the vast particulars of the sector and the company to have a valid opinion, otherwise just childish talk.
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  1426.  @robincollis6349  Yes it's more accurate to call it a single speed drive train or transmission. (semantics in this context) VERY different from one with multiple ratios in terms of cost, complexity, weight, and opportunities for failure. Every continuously variable trans made today fails before 150k miles, half to fully totaling the car, most fail well before 100k, older style autos also fail. Only manuals can last but then the clutch may fail depending on abuse, expensive to replaced due to labor.
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  1427.  @robincollis6349  Maybe if expensive enough and frequently serviced CVT could last, fact is they don't even if serviced. Same with old fashioned fluid drive trans, they never did last well. Differentials rarely fail unless run dry ore utterly abused. Great comparison, a well made EV drive train will easily last 1 million miles with a few oil changes. Meanwhile and ICE will suffer around 100 oil changes in 1M miles, but they only last an average of less than 200k, some can go 500k (Honda, Toyota, expensive diesels) and when they are worn out the car is totaled. I've worked on 100's of semi trucks--MFGs been struggling to get them to 1M miles for many yrs, even oil filters on diffs and getting pretty close. VERY rarely is the diff the reason we are working on it even at 800k miles.
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  1428. Thanks to emotionally driven unscientific climate alarmists and senseless anti-nuke nonsense. These mandates are more virtue signaling BS, only this time they won't effect anything except pols will claim credit for a revolution they had nothing to do with, they sure don't take credit for the energy mess were in now but they caused it.
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  1429. New S too big for me but it's one of the finest looking cars on the road for what that's worth.
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  1430. Biden needs to be BOUGHT, that's how he works. We all bribe him or forget about it.
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  1431. 1:45 represents an unskilled driver, yes there should be electronic overlords to prevent idiots from this, but if I can't turn off the nannies and do this sort of thing, I don't want the car.
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  1432. It's good in theory, if it's really good (actually used) everyone can implement it in a week.
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  1433.  @mixalis6168  Learn how to invest, it's never easy but financial independence is significant extra freedom. Start with building your own economic potential with valuable skills, integrity, monetary discipline to build savings to deploy.
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  1434. Here we call it "Spoiled milk yellow", poo poo is reference to Xi being called Winney the Poo.
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  1435. Ford won't allow it I'm pretty sure.
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  1436.  @leonardoreina1655  Maybe Ford be bankrupt by then? Free the T!
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  1437. Do all prior owner's send Tesla a check after a price increase? They made a purchase for a price they accepted, end of story, no mfg is obligated to maintain any price, how stupid can ppl get?
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  1438.  @melleblanc8705  Only emotionally controlled children of any age could possibly be angry. Utterly pathetic. No they couldn't have handled it much better, incremental price decreases are worse. Let the fools buy the inferior competing products.
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  1439.  @melleblanc8705  Oh...so pissed off is different? What exactly would you have done?
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  1440. Where are the godamned governments? Don't they have laws against mafias??
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  1441. "The biggest banana, biggest shrimp..." :D
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  1442. Exactly. A closed in 1990's, "upside down mine" (enter at 8200ft. side of granite mountain, up to 1100 inside) only had to cap the bottom tunnel, back up flowing ground water, plus small high pressure turbine, high psi tunnel plug the main investment. Guessing enough to run a couple dozen homes. (not international news) Maybe 1500 to 2k ft max head at small flow rate--say enough to fill a 1 by 2ft ditch flowing several mph. Plug back pressure on the ground water is 'reclamation' of sorts, possibly crucial for some natural springs or whatever...not crucial to overall landscape, it all ends up as crystal clear cold creek water in a mile anyway. (((high Sierra's E. Central Cali))) IF I had a point--some leftovers have low impact or even positive impact w productive potential.
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  1443. ONE key reason many, somewhat legitimately, hate on EVs is governments forcing them on folks. I agree with them on that, it's not necessary nor productive. That leads to emotions expressed as related 'facts' to back it up.
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  1444.  @martinutr  It goes well beyond incentives, mandates are common and counterproductive, rightly cause backlash. But pols care about virtue signaling not results, and they'll take credit for a revolution they had precious little good to do with. Everyone will go BEV for basic self interest, economics will rule as always. Soon they'll be the poor man's only choice other than those who drive very low miles, they can keep that '94 Civic indefinitely. (BTW--was a day when "they" wouldn't touch a Japanese car either)
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  1445. Yeah but Lightening isn't selling.
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  1446.  @ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife  You can only road trip a Tesla until other OEMs adopt NACS. May be temporary but I don't think any expensive trucks are selling rt now. The UAW Mafia strikes are something of a cover up for Big 3....they had/have too much inventory anyway.
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  1447.  @ThreeDogsTwoCatsAndAWife  Can't imagine spending $100k for a personal vehicle let alone make payments. Spent $45k cash on used BMW once, no regrets but it's not an investment in one's future.
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  1448. USA even used petrol for grid power until the Saudi embargo in 1973, hard to believe today as that practice was rapidly terminated (Hawaii the exception) cars, homes, businesses and industry all became vastly more efficient over the yrs since.
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  1449. When you purge and disallow all dissenting opinions (Putin, CCP....American Democrats, HA!) then you become isolated from the reality of your country, no one has the stones to tell Xi, zero-Covid22 is a predictable nightmare for nothing. There were even public protests, something that can officially disappear you in China.
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  1450. And fascist JB doesn't even know where he is. What a foolish tool of establishment propaganda.
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  1451. I wouldn't have noticed as content is what matters but that painting is very good.
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  1452.  @cerealkilla4eva  Good GRIEF, grow up child. If you have a point to make please do so, obviously you can't cope with simple logic, not even economics 101.
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  1453.  @lapin46  Thanks....interesting numbers, I assume the German/Cali numbers are max output potential? If so Cali probably produces a little more than Germany.
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  1454.  @lapin46  IC. I figured the biggest diff would be from overcast. Drove rental car around much of Portugal and some of Spain is all I've experienced of Euro. Excellent memories. I appreciate Santa Barbra but like to live well North of Sac/Bay Area, can't very well do the high population density of South 3/4s. Freedom diminishes with density. We have seasons, higher highs but only rare frost. Also about the best natural landscape options anywhere from redwood coast to high Sierras, high desert. Alone in a giant redwood grove is more spiritual than a cathedral...others around sort of spoils that too.
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