Comments by "dr1flush" (@dr1flush) on "Israel-Palestine Debate: Finkelstein, Destiny, M. Rabbani u0026 Benny Morris | Lex Fridman Podcast #418" video.

  1.  @glovesforsocks4603 you’re asking too much of Destiny fans.
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  2. “honestly at this point I’m pro genocide and I know that’s really sh***y…” Destiny ~ This isn’t a valuable discussion
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  3.  @jadonharper1493  if someone says they are Islamophobic ,hate Islam and think genocide is solution what does that make them if not a bigot? Please explain 😂
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  4. Destiny education on this topic started 4 months ago and it shows. The guy said he thought Egypt borders Russia awhile back.
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  5.  @jadonharper1493  I watch the entire thing. I also previously watched destiny not know where Palestine was on a map, say Egypt borders Russia, say he hates Islam and he is phobic and laugh while saying he thinks genocide is the only solution at this point.
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  6. Destiny idiocy is truly on full display. Reminds me of when he said Egypt borders Russia a couple months ago.
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  7.  @SgtHawk13 destiny literally said Egypt borders Russia a couple months ago. 😂
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  8.  @NoamBakunin  well for one he said Egypt borders Russia like two months ago😂. I’m not sure why destiny is even here he’s outspoken Islamophobic and his education on the topic began 4 months ago. Could you even name one good argument destiny made? Rabbani is constantly correcting him and norm is just fed up. Someone being annoyed doesn’t mean you achieved anything
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  9.  @NoamBakunin  I’ve noticed it seems the destiny fans think “winning” means talking over people and making them annoyed. That’s why rabbini is never in the discussion .
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  10.  @Ookalaable norm then quoted the un finding of how they targeted journalists, medics and disabled civilians 300 meters away.
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  11.  @billystronk4251  destiny apologists😆, “don’t take him serious he’s just memes bro “. “ It was for lols bro” .” You’re taking I think the solution is them going somewhere else because Arabs hate Israel out of context bro” Please grow some common sense , don’t speak for others and be an apologist for someone you’ve never even met. When asked what do you think the solution is he literally said genocide. When people show you what they are believe them. He is outspokenly Islamophob and said he wants to be very very clear that he hates Islam. Nuff said what’s it matter when he says that? Oh you say it’s obviously a joke. Ok thanks for clarifying. Denialism
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  12.  @WanderTheNomad  are you trying to imply I didn’t watch the video? I’ve established destiny is a bigot, try and reframe the argument like a good little destiny fanboy
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  13. The guy who thought Egypt borders Russia trying to lecture phd historians is hilarious to me.
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  14.  @billystronk4251  it’s not bad faith, it’s literally what he said. You’re trying to be apologetic and say it was a joke… but it clearly wasn’t if you listen to the entire discussion. He wasn’t jokingly saying “ ya genocide em”. He was dead serious that he doesn’t see any other solution, that one side has to leave or be expunged. It was not a joke. They just need to go somewhere and they just hate Israelis . The whole victim complex argument to endorse genocide. Ignorance and denialism on full display
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  15.  @rasjidahmova  implying /saying it’s justified to hate Islam and be Islam phobic . That sounds about white to me
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  16. “honestly at this point I’m pro genocide and I know that’s really sh***y…” Destiny ~
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  17.  @joshuaallen9501  it’s psychotic to argue that the bombings on Gaza are legitimate because they are authorized by higher ups. 157,200 buildings have been damaged or destroyed in Gaza that’s more than half of Gaza. 31,000 Palestinians with an est 90% civilian casualty rate, 95 journalists and more than 160 United Nations aid workers have been killed as of march 13,2024. Like norm says that’s 1.5x the civilian casualties in all global wars in the last 3 years. Destiny is a college drop out who is outspokenly Islamophobic . That’s like me saying I’m antisemitic and here’s what I think of Israel.
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  18.  @Killer1260  Steven said he is pro genocide and laughs about it . He also is outspoken about his hatred for Islam . 4 months ago he didn’t even know where Palestine was on a map and said Egypt borders Russia. He can be quoted saying he thinks genocide is the solution . Find better debaters to admire and defend
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  19. Because he’s juiced up on aderall
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  20. What value does this bring? None whatsoever , it platforms a bigot
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  21.  @billystronk4251  destiny apologists😆, “don’t take him serious he’s just memes bro “. “ It was for lols bro” .” You’re taking I think the solution is them going somewhere else because Arabs hate Israel out of context bro” Please grow some sense , don’t speak for others and be an apologist for someone you’ve never even met. When asked what do you think the solution is he literally said genocide. When people show you what they are believe them. He is outspokenly Islamophobic and said he wants to be very very clear that he hates Islam. Nuff said what’s it matter when he says that? Oh you say it’s obviously a joke. Ok thanks for clarifying. Denialist
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  22.  @billystronk4251  when people show you who they are I believe them. Even if we ignore the genocide comments he says he hates Islam and is a Islamophob . His biases and bigotry are important to establish when we are having a discussion about the issue of genocide It’s not a clip it’s a stream and a question was presented to Steven. “ What do you think the solution is” for Israel and Palestine to which he responds that he thinks Palestinians need to go somewhere else. He thinks if there has to be a genocide he would prefer Israelis win and laughs while saying a solution is genocide. Of course he will backtrack this and of course his fanboys will be apologetic and say it’s all memes . You don’t get to speak for other people. How does one take out of context “ I think the solution is genocide “ and then follows up with his explanation of how Israelis are hated etc . The fact you argue this was a joke just shows you didn’t watch the entire video
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  23.  @jake-rg3tf  if you want a history lesson that’s fine. I wouldn’t get it from destiny. History has nothing to do with the current genocide and deliberate starvation tactics. Palestinians are under military occupation and the idf military is responsible for them. The starvation is deliberate, they weren’t starving prior to Oct 7th. The international blockade of aid is creating famine.
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  24.  @WanderTheNomad  let’s debate a Nazi about Judaism but ignore that he’s a Nazi 👍.
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  25.  @WanderTheNomad  What argument do you want me to mention? His misunderstanding of Dolus specialis being a form of mens rea, with mens rea being the umbrella term. His ignorance of the Hannibal directive being implemented and the idf vs invader civilian k.i.a count? His arguments about the plausible ruling. What? Your comment reminds me of what set norm off to begin with. Destiny saying “did you even read the report “ . Yes I watched the video believe it or not. Did you?
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  26.  @Killer1260  why do you think a college drop out has more knowledge than a professor with a phd in political science from Princeton and a another man with a masters in Contemporary Arab Studies from Georgetown University? That’s like me going to the doctor saying I know better because I pulled up web md
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  27.  @Killer1260  this entire debate is two historians with phd and masters explaining to a Islamophobic college drop out why massacre and colonialism of civilians isn’t justified
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  28.  @joshuaallen9501  they are starving and targeting civilians
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  29.  @jack123xyz what did he misunderstand ? Nothing to say???
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  30.  @jadonharper1493  I listen to destiny say I’m an Islam phob and I hate Islam and that he’s pro genocide and laughs about it…. I’m sure you’ve normalized this so much but in the real world that makes you a bigot
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  31.  @billystronk4251  destiny apologists are pathetic, “don’t take him serious he’s just memes bro “. “ It was for lols bro” .” You’re taking I think the solution is them going somewhere else because Arabs hate Israel out of context bro” Please grow up and don’t speak for others and be an apologist for someone you’ve never even met. When asked what do you think the solution is he literally said genocide. When people show you what they are believe them child. He is outspokenly Islamophobic and said he wants to be very very clear that he hates Islam. Nuff said
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  32.  @jake-rg3tf  how about Israel stops blocking aid trucks. If Palestinians are under military occupation that means the military occupying force is responsible for them. They weren’t starving prior to Oct 7th. That means it’s deliberate . You are using the same pro genocide argument as destiny, that one side must be expunged It’s so confusing how will we ever decide how to not deliberately starve an entire population. It’s so deep (sarcasm)
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  33.  @rasjidahmova  sounds like you’re implying it’s ok to hate Islam and be a Islamophob . All fascists say they are victims to justify atrocities
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  34.  @markhenaghan9196  I totally agree. Destiny made a ridiculous statement.
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  35.  @rasjidahmova  sounds like you’re implying it’s ok to hate Islam . Sounds about white
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  36.  @rasjidahmova  implying /saying it’s justified to hate Islam and be a Islamophob. Sounds about white to me
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  37.  @rasjidahmova  nice attempt to justify being prejudice. I understand the basic pillars of Islam and some history. Anymore questions?
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  38.  @rasjidahmova  you sound prejudice to me. Normal people don’t say or imply it’s ok to hate Islam
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  39.  @markhenaghan9196  oh I thought you were actually talking about what destiny said. You gotta be more specific
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  40.  @rasjidahmova  so unless I support prejudices towards Islamic supporters and worshippers idk chit ? … gotcha thanks for showing your true colors
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  41.  @jake-rg3tf  wtf..😂 he’s not a Nazi and I don’t hate him, I don’t appreciate him and his prejudices . He’s prejudice and a bigot that’s for certain . He literally says he hates Islam , is Islamophobic and supports the genocide of Palestinians or that they need to just leave. I watched the conversation in full and I don’t need his fans running defense and lecturing me… it’s pathetic. It’s not taken out of context it’s not in bad faith he literally said the only solution is genocide and then explained why. Do you need a safe space? Nothing I said is a lie go cry about it
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  42.  @jake-rg3tf  your lecture actually made me lol. Thanks . He doesn’t need fanboys running defense for him. He speaks for himself. Like when he said he hates Islam… when he said he’s Islam phobic … and when he said the only solution is Palestinians leaving or ….. genocide
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  43.  @jake-rg3tf  you must not have been paying attention or watched the entire discussion because he explained why genocide is the only solution and that Palestinians have to just leave. That’s was not that long ago. So ya people who think genocide is a solution are similar to Nazis. Anything else to add?
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  44.  @Killer1260  Dr. Finkelstein didn’t say anything false on this stream.. timestamp anything you claim is false… Destiny the college drop out who is outspokenly hateful towards Islam and a Islamophobic didn’t actually make a single argument to logically defend the atrocities being committed. Destiny opinions are like me saying I’m antisemitic and here’s what I think of Israel. Considering that idf has shot their own civilians trying to escape captivity on many accounts from people hiding to people without shirts waving white flags norm saying there’s not conclusive proof to say 1,200 is reasonable. He said 850 and he didn’t deny it was a crime. To say we are supposed to believe Israel without question isn’t a reasonable statement . They admit the helicopter strike took out their own civilians at the music festival. How come not one single destiny fan says anything about Mouin Rabbani and only focus on norm? Because for destiny fans winning means making the other person lose composure and has nothing to do with actual arguments. Mouin consistently dismantled any point destiny made
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  45.  @Killer1260  you acting like you do know the friendly fire numbers because idf says so is what’s concerning. Do you not pay attention? Idf took out their own civilians trying to flee captivity on multiple occasions from people waving white flags with no shirts to people hiding under stairs screaming help us. Idf admit the helicopter did in fact target civilians on accident. Is weird that you get mad that people don’t blindly believe whatever idf says
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  46.  @Killer1260  why do you think the friendly fire numbers are inaccurate ? Because idf says so is what’s concerning. Do you not pay attention? Idf took out their own civilians trying to flee captivity on multiple occasions from people waving white flags with no shirts to people hiding under stairs screaming help. Idf admit the helicopter did in fact target civilians on accident. Feel free to timestamp anything that norm said which isn’t true. You misquoting him is exactly what I’d expect.
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  47.  @Killer1260  norm read Benny words to him so how is he misquoting him? Really nothing you said made an argument that norm is saying lies. Imo you’re not worth a response to begin with
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  48.  @joshuaallen9501  it’s psychotic to argue that the bombings on Gaza are legitimate because they are authorized by higher ups. Absolutely psychotic. 157,200 buildings have been damaged or destroyed in Gaza that’s more than half of Gaza. 31,000 Palestinians with an est 90% civilian casualty rate, 95 journalists and more than 160 United Nations aid workers have been killed as of march 13,2024.Like norm says that’s 1.5x the civilian casualties in all global wars in the last 3 years. Idf is a terror organization . Destiny is a college drop out streamer who is outspokenly Islamophobic . That’s like me saying I’m antisemitic and here’s what I think of Israel. Terrible debate from Steven
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  49.  @joshuaallen9501  rightttt idf is just such an incompetent military that’s why the civilian casualties rate is around 90% and only 10% is actually Hamas. Like I said your stance is psychotic and has lost touch with reality. They have told the civilians to go south and then targeted the area. They have targeted civilians consistently with hundreds of examples, anyone who can’t recognize this 5 months later is hopelessly devoid of humanity. There is no point conversing with you, you’re lost and apathetic and will say anything to justify collective punishment even if it’s nonsensical . There’s no excuse for 90% civilian casualties rate. Human shields isn’t an argument is something that people with no morals say to justify collective punishment
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  50.  @joshuaallen9501  rightttt idf is just such an incompetent military that’s why the civilian casualties rate is around 90% . Like I said this stance is psychotic and has lost touch with reality. They have told the civilians to go south and then targeted the area. They have targeted civilians consistently with hundreds of examples, failure to recognize this 5 months later is complete apathy. There’s no excuse for 90% civilian casualties rate. Human shields isn’t a justification especially when they are the occupying force it’s something that people with no morals say to justify collective punishment. I’m sure when it’s all over and done you’ll look back and say you didn’t support this
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  51.  @joshuaallen9501  this argument is psychotic, apathetic and not even worth reading.
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  52.  @joshuaallen9501  denialism
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  53.  @Killer1260  you don’t even make sense. “Fink ff claims are inaccurate because of every single mil op ever “ . That’s not an argument 🤣 that’s just a claim. Norm said 850 lol Idf instituted their Hannibal Directive just like in 2014 during Operation Protective Edge. They have done it before and consistently use this tactic . It’s designed to prevent Israeli troops from falling into enemy hands through the maximum use of force. Witnesses confirm tanks took out their own civilians. Captured civilians said "the idf helicopter shot at us on the way to Gaza." Oh you say idf says it’s not true lol so they investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing… gotcha thanks Idf are liars 40 headless babies, 1400 then 1200 , ak in a mri machine, crib filled with shell casings and zero damage, mein kampf in a child’s room, leaders names which was literally a calendar.., only goobers believe idf on their word, they routinely lie and get caught. Terrible arguments easily disputed
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  54.  @Killer1260  that didn’t even make sense. “Fink ff claims are inaccurate because of every single mil op ever “ . That’s not an argument that’s just a claim. Norm said 850 Idf instituted their Hannibal Directive just like in 2014 during Operation Protective Edge. They have done it before and consistently use this tactic . It’s designed to prevent troops from falling into enemy hands through the maximum use of force. Witnesses confirm tanks took out their own civilians. Captured civilians said "the helicopter shot at us on the way to Gaza." Oh you say idf says it’s not true lol so they investigated themselves and found no wrongdoing… gotcha thanks They are liars 40 babies, 1400 then 1200 , ak in a mri machine, crib filled with shell casings and zero damage, mein kampf in a child’s room, leaders names which was literally a calendar.., Feel free to take idf on their word, they routinely lie and get caught. Terrible arguments easily disputed
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  55.  @Killer1260  Steven literally said he is pro genocide and laughs about it . He also is outspokenly Islamophob and that he hates Islam . His education literally started after Oct 7. When he didn’t even know where Palestine was on a map and said Egypt borders Russia. Why he is in this debate is completely beyond me. He’s a bigot and wants to justify the atrocities. He thinks genocide is the solution in his own words. Insane
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  56.  @Killer1260  Steve said he is pro genocide and laughs about it . He also is outspokenly Islam phobic and that he hates Islam . His education started after Oct 7 at which point he didn’t even know where Palestine was on a map and said Egypt borders Russia. He thinks genocide is the solution in his own words. He literally says that
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  57. Oh please. It’s a terrible debate and completely unmoderated. Such a pointless discussion and to even entertain a bigot pro genocide lunatic like destiny is a disgrace to these historians . Lex should be ashamed
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  58.  @zitochigames258  well credentials alone destiny is a college drop who’s rise to fame is from playing video games. Dr Finkelstein is a professor and historian with a B.A from Binghamton University and a phd in political science from Princeton university. Mouin Rabbani received his B.A. in History and International Relations from Tufts University and his M.A. in Contemporary Arab Studies from Georgetown University. This debate is like me going to my doctor with symptoms and saying I know better because I pulled up web md on my phone. Some humility would go a long way especially with respect to learning from smarter people . “ I want to be very very… clear here, I am Islamophobic and I hate Islam ” Destiny~ Being an atheist doesn’t mean you have to be prejudice and I don’t find prejudice funny. I don’t necessarily subscribe to any religion but I’m not prejudice against any either. That statement is equivalent to me saying I’m antisemitic now listen to my opinion about Israel. So we’ve established his biases and education or lack there of. Destiny fans I’ve noticed think a W in an argument means talking over people and making them annoyed while staying composed. But facts don’t care about feelings like I’ve heard or your emotional state for that matter. I do agree that Dr. Finkelstein is annoyed like I’ve never seen before but that doesn’t mean anything he says is false. Neither does saying his name incorrectly a dozen times. Nothing Norm said was false . Every response Mouin R made was infinitely better than anything destiny brought forward as some defense for the atrocity being committed. If destiny had a valid point Rabbani would acknowledge it. “Can you name any country that would give 55% of their country away” might be my favorite comment 😂 . I mean I don’t think you were paying attention, he’s constantly arguing against his statements . The human shield defense, the borders argument ,the 1948 arguments, the modern day attacks, the displacement argument. Everything… Can you name one argument which destiny was not countered and dismantled ? (preferably with a time stamp). Personally I really don’t understand why destiny is here, his debate tactics are just being aggressive and getting under peoples skin.
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  59.  @zitochigames258  well credentials alone destiny is a college drop who’s rise to fame is from playing video games. Dr Finkelstein is a professor and historian with a B.A from Binghamton University and a phd in political science from Princeton university. Mouin Rabbani received his B.A. in History and International Relations from Tufts University and his M.A. in Contemporary Arab Studies from Georgetown University. This debate is like me going to my doctor with symptoms and saying I know better because I pulled up web md on my phone. Some humility would go a long way especially with respect to learning from smarter people .
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  60.  @zitochigames258  “ I want to be very very… clear here, I am Islamophobic and I hate Islam ” Destiny~ Being an atheist doesn’t mean you have to be prejudice and I don’t find prejudice funny. I don’t necessarily subscribe to any religion but I’m not prejudice against any either. That statement is equivalent to me saying I’m antisemitic now listen to my opinion about Israel. So we’ve established his biases and education or lack there of.
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  61.  @zitochigames258 I’ll agree that after about 2maybe 3 hrs Dr . Finkelstein starts to lose his composure but that doesn’t mean what he said was false ,besides destiny last name 🤣. Every response Mouin R made was infinitely better than anything destiny brought forward as some defense for the atrocity being committed. If destiny had a valid point Rabbani would acknowledge it. “Can you name any country that would give 55% of their country away” might be my favorite comment. Can you? I don’t think you were paying attention if you think destiny made any sound arguments ,Mouin is constantly arguing against his statements . The human shield defense, the borders argument ,the 1948 arguments, the modern day attacks, the displacement argument. Everything… Can you name one argument which destiny was not countered and dismantled? That’s a better question. Atleast Benny shows respect for wiser men. Destiny imo of course comes across like a know it all tablet kid who just resorts to speaking over , quickly and ignoring or not really addressing arguments. This is why Destiny fans are not mentioning Mouin R when they imply destiny “won” because winning for them means the other guy lost composure and you made him look angry is never about the actual points being made.
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